Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 5, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Brian Yennie wrote: To do that, RunRev would have to register at least one signature for each customer, which doesn't seem practical. (Signatures aren't arbitrary; they're assigned by Apple, and it's a big no-no to roll your own because it risks tromping on a legitimate, assigned signature that's in use for another application.) Which would be a shame considering how easy it is. You just fill out a short form on Apple's web site and Apple eMails you after a day or so and tells you if you've got 'em or not. It's quick and easy, relatively painless. http://developer.apple.com/datatype/creatorcode.html All they ask for is your name, your company's name, address, and phone number, your eMail address, the name of the product, whether or not it is a device driver (for Rev apps... generally No), and the code(s) you are registering for the product. You can enter up to 12 codes on one form to save you time; they do seem to imply that you should submit a separate form for each product, however. True... but I would guess that of the fraction of people who are actually filling out the creator code, even a fraction of that actually register their signatures. (I think I'd put up a warning message when someone builds with the default signature, though, just for general awareness.) This is an excellent idea, and I would recommend it to Rev. Anyone BZ this yet? If not, I'm certainly willing. - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCehFJ7aqtWrR9cZoRAuNAAJ99T13sgrDAB6PBLgS0oI7z4/yaUwCeOWJg fMOdtAWcg6DPWJwSR0ypQy8= =/OK4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
At 2:14 PM +0100 5/3/05, David Burgun wrote: I've just updated to 2.5 from 2.2 and my .rev files no long open RunRev when double-clicked, instead DreamCard Player starts up. What do I have to do to make it open RunRev instead? I am using MacOS 9. Association of a primary application with a creator signature in Mac OS is...erm...mysterious. In my experience, the best method for dealing with this sort of situation is: 1. Move the application you want to be primary out of its folder and onto the desktop. 2. Close the folder that the application used to be in. 3. Move the application from the desktop back into the folder. This seems to cause the desktop database to update itself in most cases. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
At 2:14 PM +0100 5/3/05, David Burgun wrote: I've just updated to 2.5 from 2.2 and my .rev files no long open RunRev when double-clicked, instead DreamCard Player starts up. What do I have to do to make it open RunRev instead? I am using MacOS 9. Association of a primary application with a creator signature in Mac OS is...erm...mysterious. In my experience, the best method for dealing with this sort of situation is: 1. Move the application you want to be primary out of its folder and onto the desktop. 2. Close the folder that the application used to be in. 3. Move the application from the desktop back into the folder. This seems to cause the desktop database to update itself in most cases. Hi, Sorry I understand how the desktop associations work, I really was just wondering *why* DreamCard and Revolution have the *same* creator signature (Revo). According to Apple, each Application should have a unique signature. I can easilly (and have) just changed DreamCard's ID to be something else and then it associates with RunRev again. I think I will write a Stack or a Script and that allows you to specifiy which of these Apps should be used, but I can see this leading to major distribution problems, maybe only under MacOS 9 though which of course isn't so bad. All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes; At 2:14 PM +0100 5/3/05, David Burgun wrote: I've just updated to 2.5 from 2.2 and my .rev files no long open RunRev when double-clicked, instead DreamCard Player starts up. What do I have to do to make it open RunRev instead? I am using MacOS 9. Association of a primary application with a creator signature in Mac OS is...erm...mysterious. In my experience, the best method for dealing with this sort of situation is: 1. Move the application you want to be primary out of its folder and onto the desktop. 2. Close the folder that the application used to be in. 3. Move the application from the desktop back into the folder. This seems to cause the desktop database to update itself in most cases. Oryou could just use a utility like DragThing to create a dock of all your applications so that you can drag a document and drop it on exactly the application you want to open it in. Gives you much more control than double-clicking. BTW, DragThing is a million times better than the OS X dock; don't throw it away when you get around to upgrading to X. - marty -- Marty Billingsley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, technically they are two versions of the same program, and someone with only one or the other will want stacks created with the other one (the one they don't have) to be opened with what they do have, so it makes sense that they would both have the same code. What is truly troublesome is that so many of the standalones created from Rev have not changed the creator code. Thus double-clicking a stack icon can cause that stack to be opened in some oddball standalone app you downloaded from somewhere completely different! And btw, I see this problem on OS X as well. On May 4, 2005, at 6:08 AM, David Burgun wrote: Hi, Sorry I understand how the desktop associations work, I really was just wondering *why* DreamCard and Revolution have the *same* creator signature (Revo). According to Apple, each Application should have a unique signature. - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCeNdj7aqtWrR9cZoRAj0KAJ0enEFuaRfWuclsogSzRySfpJ++rQCdEpnU SknZoF+MamXw8tnDcNiPMCc= =qQMh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
On 5/4/05 9:08 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Well, technically they are two versions of the same program, and someone with only one or the other will want stacks created with the other one (the one they don't have) to be opened with what they do have, so it makes sense that they would both have the same code. They could have different creator codes and still open the same file types (stacks, in this case,) just as lots of different apps with different creator codes can open text files. What is truly troublesome is that so many of the standalones created from Rev have not changed the creator code. Thus double-clicking a stack icon can cause that stack to be opened in some oddball standalone app you downloaded from somewhere completely different! And btw, I see this problem on OS X as well. I don't see an easy solution for this. The standalone builder allows the developer to set the creator code for OS 9 standalones, and allows a custom plist for OS X standalones. But if the developer doesn't specify a unique code in the settings, the builder has to default to something. Maybe it should default to a code that isn't Rev's, but even so, everybody's standalones would still have the same one. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
I don't see an easy solution for this. The standalone builder allows the developer to set the creator code for OS 9 standalones, and allows a custom plist for OS X standalones. But if the developer doesn't specify a unique code in the settings, the builder has to default to something. Maybe it should default to a code that isn't Rev's, but even so, everybody's standalones would still have the same one. What if the Standalone Builder defaulted to a unique creator code based on your license information? Exclude common known creator codes also, and it would seem that different developers' standalones would no longer interfere with each other. An individual developer could of course carefully pick one. Of course the proper solution is just to fill out the plist completely as with any other OS X application, and you won't have to worry about your application conflicting with others- but it seems like it could still work by default... - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
At 10:08 AM -0400 5/4/05, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: On May 4, 2005, at 6:08 AM, David Burgun wrote: Sorry I understand how the desktop associations work, I really was just wondering *why* DreamCard and Revolution have the *same* creator signature (Revo). According to Apple, each Application should have a unique signature. Well, technically they are two versions of the same program, and someone with only one or the other will want stacks created with the other one (the one they don't have) to be opened with what they do have, so it makes sense that they would both have the same code. Actually, David is correct here: distinct applications ought to have distinct creator signatures. (This won't prevent both applications from opening the RSTK file type.) I filed a bug on this (2814); it should be easy for the team to fix. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
At 8:35 PM -0700 5/4/05, Brian Yennie wrote: What if the Standalone Builder defaulted to a unique creator code based on your license information? Exclude common known creator codes also, and it would seem that different developers' standalones would no longer interfere with each other. An individual developer could of course carefully pick one. To do that, RunRev would have to register at least one signature for each customer, which doesn't seem practical. (Signatures aren't arbitrary; they're assigned by Apple, and it's a big no-no to roll your own because it risks tromping on a legitimate, assigned signature that's in use for another application.) I think I agree with Jacque - there's no really good way around this. I think HC defaulted to using a second creator signature (not HyperCard's, but another reserved one), and this may be the best that can be done, short of physically not permitting the user to build a standalone without entering a signature. (I think I'd put up a warning message when someone builds with the default signature, though, just for general awareness.) -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
To do that, RunRev would have to register at least one signature for each customer, which doesn't seem practical. (Signatures aren't arbitrary; they're assigned by Apple, and it's a big no-no to roll your own because it risks tromping on a legitimate, assigned signature that's in use for another application.) True... but I would guess that of the fraction of people who are actually filling out the creator code, even a fraction of that actually register their signatures. I think I agree with Jacque - there's no really good way around this. I think HC defaulted to using a second creator signature (not HyperCard's, but another reserved one), and this may be the best that can be done, short of physically not permitting the user to build a standalone without entering a signature. I guess it's all academic short of the developer actually going the whole 9 yards, but why would this be _better_ than a code generated to be unique to the developer? Sure it wouldn't be registered with Apple, but it would avoid conflicting with every other RunRev-made application out there... (I think I'd put up a warning message when someone builds with the default signature, though, just for general awareness.) Yah- awareness of the issue would probably trump a half solution for those that are affected! - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????
On 5/3/05 8:14 AM, David Burgun wrote: Hi, I've just updated to 2.5 from 2.2 and my .rev files no long open RunRev when double-clicked, instead DreamCard Player starts up. What do I have to do to make it open RunRev instead? I am using MacOS 9. It's an OS 9 thing, where the Finder will launch the most recently-used application whose creator/type code matches the file you are opening. If you launch Rev first and open a few stacks from within it, eventually the Finder will catch on and start using Rev instead of Player. Or, if you have a utility that can change the creator codes, change the Player's creator (but leave the file type as-is or it won't open stacks.) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
