Revolution-Quicktime-Channels problem

2004-07-28 Thread FMoyer
I have a tough question. I don't know if it is a Quicktime question, a 
Revolution question, a Mac OSX question or even a Soundflower question. Plus I 
really don't know a whole lot about the subject at hand -- which is digital audio 
files. So I'm not even sure I can explain the question properly.

Anyway, I am a pianist. I have just recorded with a cellist. We had 2 mikes 
on the cello and 2 mikes on the piano. I have written an application in 
Revolution to help me choose the edits for this and other recordings. I found that by 
creating 2 players, I can play all 4 channels in Revolution -- Player 1 plays 
the 2 cello mikes and Player 2 plays the 2 piano mikes. These 2 players are 
perfectly synchronized - - it's really fantastic. I can turn up or down one of 
the players so that I can focus on one instrument or the other.

Once I have chosen my edits, I need Revolution to play each edit into Digital 
Performer, which is the digital audio editing program that I use. Soundflower 
is a little program I downloaded which allows for a direct audio connection 
between two applications. It can carry up to 16 separate channels at a time. 
Digital Perormer can of course record many channels. But it's not working. I 
start the 2 players going in Revolution, and press the record button in Digital 
Performer, but what is recorded is 2 channels (a single stereo pair.)

Does anyone have an idea how these 4 channels are being squished into 2? It 
seems that the culprit is either Quicktime or Revolution. Any ideas how I might 
get around it? Each channel needs to remain separate for post-editing 
manipulation. 

For that matter, is there a better way altogether? I would prefer to dig into 
the innards of these sound files and grab portions of each as if I were 
copying and pasting material from several text documents. Does anyone know how to 
do this? Or am I asking for big trouble by messing around inside sound files?

Thanks
Fred Moyer
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Re: Revolution-Quicktime-Channels problem

2004-07-28 Thread Mark Brownell
On Wednesday, July 28, 2004, at 08:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have an idea how these 4 channels are being squished into 
2? It
seems that the culprit is either Quicktime or Revolution. Any ideas 
how I might
get around it? Each channel needs to remain separate for post-editing
manipulation.
Hi,
I would use your multi-channel editor to record one player at a time 
and then edit the start points if needed in order to sink up the two 
individual double tracks.  Aren't you glad it's not midi or tape. I 
once stretched 16 channels of midi virtual tracks to mach up with an 
analog session recorded in another location on an Ampex two inch 
machine.  Imagine trying to stretch 1.5 seconds additionally into an 
already existing 3.5 minute performance without missing a beat. At the 
time I was using a Mac Plus with 2meg RAM and Passport. Paspport did a 
perfect job through trial and error.

Mark
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Re: Revolution-Quicktime-Channels problem

2004-07-28 Thread Mark Brownell
More...
On Wednesday, July 28, 2004, at 08:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For that matter, is there a better way altogether? I would prefer to 
dig into
the innards of these sound files and grab portions of each as if I were
copying and pasting material from several text documents. Does anyone 
know how to
do this? Or am I asking for big trouble by messing around inside sound 
files?

Thanks
Fred Moyer
I just realized that you might not know how to edit digital tracks with 
a sound editor. I assumed that having one you would have its basic 
functions down. You can do cut and paste edits you just need to resolve 
smooth transitions while doing it. You can work on this by zooming in 
on your transition points and using smoothening filters. Also remember 
to work on your edits with new versions in new tracks until the new 
tracks are better than the cuts that you started with. It's always a 
good idea to keep originals of your recordings as backups in case of 
any nonrecoverable mistakes.

Mark
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Re: Revolution-Quicktime-Channels problem

2004-07-28 Thread Troy Rollins
On Jul 28, 2004, at 11:31 AM, Mark Brownell wrote:

For that matter, is there a better way altogether? I would prefer to 
dig into
the innards of these sound files and grab portions of each as if I 
were
copying and pasting material from several text documents. Does anyone 
know how to
do this? Or am I asking for big trouble by messing around inside 
sound files?
I guess I'll ask again... why are you not just using Digital Performer 
for the entire process? I mean, it is a complete audio and midi 
recording/editing package, right? What is the need for any of these 
other software tools?
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Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net

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Re: Revolution-Quicktime-Channels problem

2004-07-28 Thread Mark Brownell
On Wednesday, July 28, 2004, at 08:53 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:
On Jul 28, 2004, at 11:31 AM, Mark Brownell wrote:

For that matter, is there a better way altogether? I would prefer to 
dig into
the innards of these sound files and grab portions of each as if I 
were
copying and pasting material from several text documents. Does 
anyone know how to
do this? Or am I asking for big trouble by messing around inside 
sound files?
I didn't write that. I quoted that. Fred Moyer wrote that.
I know how to run a world class recording studio and tell performers to 
do it again. I quit that world when the so called star artist asked me 
to provide the music. You see they were rap stars. They actually wanted 
me to come up with their sounds, music, and performance. I didn't want 
to get paid that bad. It was like asking a carpenter to grow the 
lumber. That actually happens, rap stars that is. A lot of what you 
might think is really cool is really fool. ... even Brittany Spears 
boobs are fake...  blah... go hang yourself ...  Why would you ever 
want to make music?

Mark
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Re: Revolution-Quicktime-Channels problem

2004-07-28 Thread Troy Rollins
On Jul 28, 2004, at 12:11 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:
I didn't write that. I quoted that. Fred Moyer wrote that.
Sorry, auto-attributed from the snip.
even Brittany Spears boobs are fake...
Say it isn't so !!
;-)
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Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
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