Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
** > Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front > From: Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > on 23/2/03 9:55 pm, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote > >> I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume assigned to >> Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer >> rates of those things are pokey. > > I don't know how this helps (I don't think it does!) but using CompactFlash > for VM is horrible. Flash memory is fast to read, but s-l-o-w to write. > You might actually do better to use the hard disk for VM (and if necessary > move stuff like the Rev docs to Flash if that helps makes space). -- The HD is quite full. Still it shows that it can use enough to come up with 96mb total RAM (I think), which apparently isn't enough to run RR. If I open the docs it crashes. With the CF card as RAM it doesn't, i.e., it just slos down. The CF card is all that's standing between an operable system and a total stall. The problems don't get bad until I open the docs. If I moved them to the flash card, I think it might remain the same. OTOH, I'd like to try that, but what will happen if I drag the docs folder out of Rev and put it on the CF card? Best regards, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
But with only 48mb of memory, if he doesn't have virtual memory on, he won't get anywhere trying to run the development environment. On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 08:21 AM, Alex Rice wrote: The VM system on Mac OS (before X) is terrible. From my days doing tech support for an ISP, I remember once of the first things to try when a Mac is acting wonky is to *turn off* virtual memory. regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
on 23/2/03 9:55 pm, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote > I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume assigned to > Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer > rates of those things are pokey. I don't know how this helps (I don't think it does!) but using CompactFlash for VM is horrible. Flash memory is fast to read, but s-l-o-w to write. You might actually do better to use the hard disk for VM (and if necessary move stuff like the Rev docs to Flash if that helps makes space). Ben Rubinstein | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cognitive Applications Ltd | Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600 http://www.cogapp.com| Fax : +44 (0)1273-728866 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
** > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:21:08 -0700 > Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front > From: Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 02:55 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote: >> I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume >> assigned to >> Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the >> transfer >> rates of those things are pokey. > > The VM system on Mac OS (before X) is terrible. From my days doing tech > support for an ISP, I remember once of the first things to try when a > Mac is acting wonky is to *turn off* virtual memory. -- Turn off VM, open Rev docs,...CRASH! Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 02:55 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote: I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume assigned to Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer rates of those things are pokey. The VM system on Mac OS (before X) is terrible. From my days doing tech support for an ISP, I remember once of the first things to try when a Mac is acting wonky is to *turn off* virtual memory. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
I used v. 1 & the beta on my PB1400 with maxed out 64 MB RAM and no CF card. Worked tolerably well as I recall... Judy On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > That's really pushing it, I'm afraid: A slower computer with limited > RAM, running Mac OS 8's virtual memory (bad enough even on a fast hard > drive, but even worse on flash memory). I'm kind of surprised you were > able to use Revolution at all. I hope you get your G4 back soon! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
Almost no question you're right. It sounds like you're taking the right steps. Good luck finding space to get the G4 set up. On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 01:55 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote: ** Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:15:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front From: Geoff Canyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This definitely sounds like a memory issue. How much physical memory and virtual memory does your computer have? How much is assigned as a preferred and minimum to Rev? Which OS version are you running? -- I think so too, but I don't know what else I can do. My G4 Mac is locked up in storage until I can find another office space (it's too large for my current space available). It's a Mac PowerBook 1400c, 133mHz, 48mb RAM, 1.2g HD, under OS 8.6. Up until a couple years ago, it was still a fairly powerful machine, but it tends to be a little wimpy with newer apps these days. regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rough day on the Revolution front
Ken Norris wrote: "...It's a Mac PowerBook 1400c, 133mHz, 48mb RAM, 1.2g HD, under OS 8.6. Up until a couple years ago, it was still a fairly powerful machine, but it tends to be a little wimpy with newer apps these days...[...]... I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume assigned to Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer rates of those things are pokey" That's really pushing it, I'm afraid: A slower computer with limited RAM, running Mac OS 8's virtual memory (bad enough even on a fast hard drive, but even worse on flash memory). I'm kind of surprised you were able to use Revolution at all. I hope you get your G4 back soon! Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
** > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:15:11 -0800 > Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front > From: Geoff Canyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > This definitely sounds like a memory issue. How much physical memory > and virtual memory does your computer have? How much is assigned as a > preferred and minimum to Rev? Which OS version are you running? -- I think so too, but I don't know what else I can do. My G4 Mac is locked up in storage until I can find another office space (it's too large for my current space available). It's a Mac PowerBook 1400c, 133mHz, 48mb RAM, 1.2g HD, under OS 8.6. Up until a couple years ago, it was still a fairly powerful machine, but it tends to be a little wimpy with newer apps these days. However, most days it seems to run Rev OK as long as I stay out of the docs. Somedays, it just gets crazy, though, like the day I had. I don't have a clue what I did different to cause extra problems. I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume assigned to Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer rates of those things are pokey. The natural RAM can be expanded to 64mb, but that is max, the RAM modules are spec, and are expensive and hard to find. There is no known way to expand beyond the 64mb limit (according to techs all over the internet, no one has done it). Also, the HD driver can only handle up to ATA 64, I think, so I'm not sure how fast an external drive I can hook up. I have a 10g TravelStar ready to go in to replace the 1.2g HD it has now, as soon as I can set aside a day to backup everything on it. That will hopefully allow more VM at a little faster rate. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
This definitely sounds like a memory issue. How much physical memory and virtual memory does your computer have? How much is assigned as a preferred and minimum to Rev? Which OS version are you running? On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:18 AM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote: Rev always takes about 4 minutes to completely shut down and even then, other apps have to spend quite bit of time fighting their way in to get enough memory to function. regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
** > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:44:51 -0500 > Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front > From: Kurt Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It bears occasional repetition since I had so many problems (bad saves, > sudden quits, hangs) with RR until I realized where the fault lay: > Revolution 1.1 does not like long stack file names (on Mac OS X anyway, > and perhaps also on Mac OS 9). Try to keep the names of stacks to less > than 24 characters long (the number is arbitrary; I don't know where > you start to have problems, but I assume maybe around 30-34 chars.) -- Thanks Kurt, Long names are not a factor in this case, but thanks for the tip, it's good to know. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Backup tools (was 'Rough day on the Revolution front')
** > From: "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Rough day on the Revolution front > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:09:05 -0600 snip > My AltArchive plugin does not auto save every XX minutes. It's used to > create incremental backups. The SmartSave plugin from Frederic Rinaldi is: > > "A plugin stack which brings you an elegant autosave feature for stacks and > their substacks on choosen time interval." > > It can be found at: > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frederic.rinaldi/ -- Thanks for clearing that up. So how, exactly does yours do it. i.e., what constitutes an "increment"? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rough day on the Revolution front
It bears occasional repetition since I had so many problems (bad saves, sudden quits, hangs) with RR until I realized where the fault lay: Revolution 1.1 does not like long stack file names (on Mac OS X anyway, and perhaps also on Mac OS 9). Try to keep the names of stacks to less than 24 characters long (the number is arbitrary; I don't know where you start to have problems, but I assume maybe around 30-34 chars.) HTH, Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rough day on the Revolution front
Hey Guys, My AltArchive plugin does not auto save every XX minutes. It's used to create incremental backups. The SmartSave plugin from Frederic Rinaldi is: "A plugin stack which brings you an elegant autosave feature for stacks and their substacks on choosen time interval." It can be found at: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frederic.rinaldi/ best, Chipp > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Norris > (dialup) > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front > > > ** > > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:08:09 +1000 > > Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Anyone know where that plugin is? > > > > That would be Chipp's altArchive plugin available at: > > > > http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/NewPlugins.htm > > > > Hope this helps. > -- > Many thanks to you and Chip. > > Ken N. > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
> One of the things I've noticed is that it's fairly viscious when it comes to > memory on a Mac. You're much better off if you don't run other programs > while working in the IDE. Also, I wish I'd been paying more attention to > whoever said they have a timer plugin that autosaves a copy of the current > iteration of whatever they're working on every so often. > > Anyone know where that plugin is? That would be Chipp's altArchive plugin available at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/NewPlugins.htm Hope this helps. Valetia ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
** > Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:09:45 -0500 > From: Howard Bornstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I haven't done extensive testing, but my feel at this point is that Rev > 2.0 is much more stable in this regard. I've seen some of the bugs that > are still in it, but not this periodic, inexplicable, decent into > insanity that Rev 1.1.1 seems to exhibit. I could be wrong, but I'm > hoping this kind of experience will soon be a thing of the past. -- Thanks for the Re Howard, Well, it's not out of beta yet, is it? I'm like you, I hope the final shipping version is stable. One of the things I've noticed is that it's fairly viscious when it comes to memory on a Mac. You're much better off if you don't run other programs while working in the IDE. Also, I wish I'd been paying more attention to whoever said they have a timer plugin that autosaves a copy of the current iteration of whatever they're working on every so often. Anyone know where that plugin is? Thanks much, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
>Has anyone else encountered these kinds of problems? Hi Ken, I've occasionally had days like this with Rev. It's always a mystery to me because it's well-behaved most of the time. Then suddenly, it's like its alter-ego appears and everything goes wrong. I know the signs however and when I seem them I don't attempt to continue working. My best advice in these cases is to quit Rev and reboot the computer. Usually, things work better then. I haven't done extensive testing, but my feel at this point is that Rev 2.0 is much more stable in this regard. I've seen some of the bugs that are still in it, but not this periodic, inexplicable, decent into insanity that Rev 1.1.1 seems to exhibit. I could be wrong, but I'm hoping this kind of experience will soon be a thing of the past. Regards, Howard Bornstein D E S I G N E Q www.designeq.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rough day on the Revolution front
Hello list, I had a terrible day with Rev yesterday: 1) When I put away a dialog, the Tool Palette would disappear with it, most of the time, but not _every_ time (inconsistent). 2) I lost 3 images and 1 button. 3) 5 other buttons got displaced halfway across the screen in the same row just by selecting them with the arrow cursor. 4) Many dialogs would display at first with twisted images, then straighten themselves out. Often the dialogs would not follow the selected button, i.e., show a dialog for another button, even though the button was clearly selected. 5) The Application Overview palette would not go away, i.e., I clicked the corner button to put it away, and it would disappear for a second, then come right back, 4 or 5 times in succession before it finally stayed gone. However, when I quit Rev, and other windows went away, it was still there behind everything else, the last one to finally disappear. On reopening Rev later, it showed up again, the first window to show up IIRC. 6) Pulldown menus (menubar position) wouldn't stick the first click, only on the second click. Sometimes when scrolling down the list, something would select itself when I stopped _without_ clicking the mouse. 7) The Rev application quit 4 times with a type 2 error. I think I can attribute some of these things to a dirty or worn mouse, but others, like the quitting thing, can't be attributed to that. Rev always takes about 4 minutes to completely shut down and even then, other apps have to spend quite bit of time fighting their way in to get enough memory to function. Has anyone else encountered these kinds of problems? Is my Rev app corrupted? Any advice welcomed, on or off list. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
