Re: USB barcode scanner?

2008-11-30 Thread Peter Alcibiades

They are LED or Laser.  The difference is range and fragility.  The LED ones
have to be used much closer up to the code, like 6 inches, but they are very
robust.  The Laser ones can be used quite a distance away, but don't drop
them.  I prefer LED.  They will get dropped.

As others say, the 'wedge' ones act like a keyboard, and need no drivers. 
But, and it may not matter in your application, bear in mind that they send
the characters they read followed by either return or enter but not both. 
This has a couple of consequences.  If you allow keyboard entry of codes as
well, obviously you have to handle both enter and return.  Also I had some
timing problems.  I made caps D send mouseup to a Discount button. The user
wanted for the cashier to be able to either do discounts by just using the
reader, or alternatively, just using the mouse. Problem was that it sent
mouseup to the Discount button and then sometimes but not always then sent
return when the user was expected to first enter the amount of the
discount I fixed this by the brute force method of sending to an
invisible dummy button, waiting a fraction of a second, and then sending
mouseup on, so absorbing the enter. 

Sarah's little stack was very useful in decoding what exactly the reader was
sending.  If you want to handle some keypresses, this means that you know
exactly what is being sent and so you can harmonize the keyboard and the
reader.  

kbarcode, if you can run Linux apps, is a great free package for generating
bar codes and printing bar code labels.  Bear in mind that if you generate
labels in a word processor, like for a cash register laminated sheet, and
there are quite a few free bar code fonts out there that can be used for
this, you have to use start/stop characters, and these differ from Windows
to Linux, and I assume the Mac will be different as well.  Its * for Linux,
and if I recall correctly its ! in Windows. You can find yourself staring at
the thing in frustration wondering why the shop label codes work perfectly,
but the ones you have just made up do not.  This is probably why.

I found the really hard issue to be not so much this stuff, as the tradeoffs
you end up considering between convenience and security.  Very hard to
strike the balance.  You have to spend some time thinking like a thief and
craftily installing logs, and whatever you do you'll miss something. 
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Re: USB barcode scanner?

2008-11-29 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Tim Ponn wrote:

> Can anybody recommend a usb barcode scanner that I can get to work
> with rev?  I using rev 2.81 and a Mac.  I've got my POS app working
> nicely now and it's time for the next step...adding a scanner.

Hi Tim:

I haven't used it extensively but I have an IntelliScanner Mini from here:
http://www.intelliscanner.com/

The biggest selling point for me on this unit is the size -- it could
literally fit on a keyring.  It works in 2 modes: batch, where you scan
codes unplugged and it stores codes in onboard memory; and tethered, where
scans are immediately sent to the front most application (or one of the
applications that ships with the unit).

It's been a while since I last used it, but I just installed the latest
dashboard software on OSX 10.4.11, and ran it with Revolution 3.  Scans are
immediately transferred to an open field, along with a return character.

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: USB barcode scanner?

2008-11-29 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Tim Ponn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Can anybody recommend a usb barcode scanner that I can get to work with rev?
>  I using rev 2.81 and a Mac.  I've got my POS app working nicely now and
> it's time for the next step...adding a scanner.
>

As the others have said, any scanner that operates in keyboard wedge
mode will be fine. A lot of them come with cables sold separately, so
don't forget to specify that you want USB. I recommend a scanner with
multiple scan lines - it easier to use as the barcode doesn't have to
be positioned so exactly.

I have used scanners made by Unitech and by Datalogic, both with Macs
& Revolution applications.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: USB barcode scanner?

2008-11-29 Thread J. Landman Gay

Stephen Barncard wrote:
Most of the bar code devices operate like a keyboard input device out of 
the box as a straight barcode scanner (i.e. outputs a translation of the 
barcode in text),


I wrote a stack some years ago that worked with a barcode reader, which 
I had never seen and did not have access to. I just used normal 
keydown/keyup and "on returnkey" handlers, and it all worked fine. There 
was no difference between keyboard entry and barcode entry. So what you 
say works. I warned the client they'd have to test, and it never failed 
in any way.


 I think Jacque was on the Evangelists list, or was it Mac Marines? It 
was a while ago. Over 20 years of mail-lists. The mind boggles.


It was the Evangelists list, but I only read it, I never posted. And 
yes, I can't believe where the time goes.


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Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: USB barcode scanner?

2008-11-29 Thread Colin Holgate


On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Tim Ponn wrote:


Hello!

Can anybody recommend a usb barcode scanner that I can get to work  
with rev?  I using rev 2.81 and a Mac.  I've got my POS app working  
nicely now and it's time for the next step...adding a scanner.




What Stephen said. One other thing to know is that the barcode  
scanners can have their behavior modified by scanning barcodes in the  
booklet that comes with them. For example, you can have the scanner  
send a return after it's finished reading the barcode. That can be  
handy for your input routine, so it knows when the scanner has  
finished sending.


There is no difference at all between a user typing on a keyboard, and  
the scanner sending its keystrokes, so if you have an application  
where a user is supposed to type into one field, and a scanner grabs a  
barcode without showing the text captured, your user could trigger the  
scanner while typing into the visible field, and they will see the  
barcode numbers typed in for them. That may not matter, but it could  
influence your design, you would want to make sure not to set up  
situations where the user can easily be confused.


Another setting for the scanner is the baud rate (they're really  
serial, with USB converters). Set that to as high as you can, and even  
then the apparent typing speed is not very fast.



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Re: USB barcode scanner?

2008-11-29 Thread Stephen Barncard

Timothy ,
Most of the bar code devices operate like a keyboard input device out 
of the box as a straight barcode scanner (i.e. outputs a translation 
of the barcode in text), others have features like storage where the 
scanner does not have to be tethered to the computer, can dump later, 
Wifi, etc.


Most of them won't mention the Mac, even though everybody's 
conforming to standards. So don't let the PC part deter you, unless 
you need software to do more than recognize IPC symbols. It appears 
your scripts will do the rest.


 It's interesting in the peripherals world, when often many USB and 
Firewire devices built to standards, are sold with no reference to 
Macintosh at all in the ads and packaging, even though they work 
perfectly (and often install without drivers) and are a significant 
part of their sales are to mac customers. This is especially true of 
hard drives and network routers. Incredibly ignorant of the marketers 
if you ask me, and a wasted opportunity.


I used to be an annoying Mac Evangelist (remember those?) when we 
felt we had to fight every fight against the PC 'hegemony', or we'd 
be stuck with the alternative in the future. Today, Apple's strong, 
hip, visionary, and makes solid products these days that sell 
themselves, so I don't have to do that anymore.


 I think Jacque was on the Evangelists list, or was it Mac Marines? 
It was a while ago. Over 20 years of mail-lists. The mind boggles.




Hello!

Can anybody recommend a usb barcode scanner that I can get to work 
with rev?  I using rev 2.81 and a Mac.  I've got my POS app working 
nicely now and it's time for the next step...adding a scanner.


Thanks!



Best Regards,


Timothy R. Ponn
--


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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USB barcode scanner?

2008-11-29 Thread Tim Ponn

Hello!

Can anybody recommend a usb barcode scanner that I can get to work  
with rev?  I using rev 2.81 and a Mac.  I've got my POS app working  
nicely now and it's time for the next step...adding a scanner.


Thanks!



Best Regards,

Timothy R. Ponn




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