Re: option click, control click, etc

[Richmond Mathewson]

I have just come across this "Apple keyboard mapping in Windows XP and 
Vista":


http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1167

although some of the keyboard images make me think it is time I got 
myself some

glasses!

Interestingly enough the  ALT / OPTION keys are marked with both those 
words.

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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Richmond Mathewson]

I wonder what is the provenance of this keyboard (from a MacBook Pro)?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Apple_Modifier_Keys.jpg

certainly 'gifted' with 'ALT' keys, and, a mucky COMMAND key!

Ian Wood wrote:


On 25 Jun 2009, at 09:14, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Just to throw a spanner in the works; I have 4 Macintosh computer 
keyboards (USB) and not a single one has an 'Option' key; where Apple 
used to have an 'Option' key there are 'Alt' keys - presumably to be 
more in sync with the PC world: I suppose their documentation (like 
somebody else's, cough, cough, cough) is lagging behind somewhat.  
Therefore it might be better to use 'Alt' rather than 'Option' in any 
documentation you are writing.


I thought that was a US/UK thing? My UK layout Mac keyboards all have 
'alt' on the key, while all the photos on apple.com have 'option' (and 
sometimes a small 'alt' as well).


For thoroughness, my approach is to always write 'Option/Alt' in any 
modifier combination that uses the option key - due to memories of 
learning Photoshop from a book tutorial many years ago and trying to 
work out what 'option-click to choose a source location' meant...


Ian
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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Richmond Mathewson]

Just found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Keyboard

which is, frankly, hilarious; there is an image of an ALT key, and written
underneath it is "The Option key"

Just to make matters worse:

"Like the Shift and Control keys, the Option key serves as a modifier 
for the Command key shortcuts. The key functions as the Alt key in Unix 
and Windows environments."


The French-Canadian ADB keyboard here:

http://eintr.net/systems/apple/kbd-II-and-ext-II/pi/11.jpg

has an OPTION key (mind you I doubt whether there are many potential 
customers still using ABD keyboards).


The wireless USB keyboard here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Apple-wireless-keyboard-aluminum-2007.jpg

is schizophrenic in that it has keys which have both OPTION and ALT 
written on them.


As usual, no easy answers.  Is your target audience North American or other?

Both OPTION and ALT keys are labelled with the sign UNICODE 2325.

Ian Wood wrote:


On 25 Jun 2009, at 09:14, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Just to throw a spanner in the works; I have 4 Macintosh computer 
keyboards (USB) and not a single one has an 'Option' key; where Apple 
used to have an 'Option' key there are 'Alt' keys - presumably to be 
more in sync with the PC world: I suppose their documentation (like 
somebody else's, cough, cough, cough) is lagging behind somewhat.  
Therefore it might be better to use 'Alt' rather than 'Option' in any 
documentation you are writing.


I thought that was a US/UK thing? My UK layout Mac keyboards all have 
'alt' on the key, while all the photos on apple.com have 'option' (and 
sometimes a small 'alt' as well).


For thoroughness, my approach is to always write 'Option/Alt' in any 
modifier combination that uses the option key - due to memories of 
learning Photoshop from a book tutorial many years ago and trying to 
work out what 'option-click to choose a source location' meant...


Ian
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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Richmond Mathewson]

I bought my first Macintosh computer from Montgomery-Ward in
Carbondale, Illinois. I chose a Macintosh as my Mother's family
are McIntosh, and I don't have any relatives called "Windows". :)

All the ADB keyboards I ever owned: whether those bought in the USA,
Saudi Arabia or the UAE had 'Option' keys.

The keyboard that I bought with my G3 iMac in the UAE has 'Alt' keys;
as do all the USB Mac keyboards I have bought subsequently, whether
in the UAE, The British Isles, or elswhere.

So it must have something to do with either the Atlantic ocean or
hemispheres.

Ian Wood wrote:


On 25 Jun 2009, at 09:14, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Just to throw a spanner in the works; I have 4 Macintosh computer 
keyboards (USB) and not a single one has an 'Option' key; where Apple 
used to have an 'Option' key there are 'Alt' keys - presumably to be 
more in sync with the PC world: I suppose their documentation (like 
somebody else's, cough, cough, cough) is lagging behind somewhat.  
Therefore it might be better to use 'Alt' rather than 'Option' in any 
documentation you are writing.


I thought that was a US/UK thing? My UK layout Mac keyboards all have 
'alt' on the key, while all the photos on apple.com have 'option' (and 
sometimes a small 'alt' as well).


For thoroughness, my approach is to always write 'Option/Alt' in any 
modifier combination that uses the option key - due to memories of 
learning Photoshop from a book tutorial many years ago and trying to 
work out what 'option-click to choose a source location' meant...


Ian
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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Ian Wood]

On 25 Jun 2009, at 09:14, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Just to throw a spanner in the works; I have 4 Macintosh computer  
keyboards (USB) and not a single one has an 'Option' key; where  
Apple used to have an 'Option' key there are 'Alt' keys - presumably  
to be more in sync with the PC world: I suppose their documentation  
(like somebody else's, cough, cough, cough) is lagging behind  
somewhat.  Therefore it might be better to use 'Alt' rather than  
'Option' in any documentation you are writing.


I thought that was a US/UK thing? My UK layout Mac keyboards all have  
'alt' on the key, while all the photos on apple.com have 'option' (and  
sometimes a small 'alt' as well).


For thoroughness, my approach is to always write 'Option/Alt' in any  
modifier combination that uses the option key - due to memories of  
learning Photoshop from a book tutorial many years ago and trying to  
work out what 'option-click to choose a source location' meant...


Ian
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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Jim Sims]

On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


> have an 'Option' key there are 'Alt' keys -



Are those Apple brand keyboards or from third parties?



Apple UK/European keyboards, such as this wireless neato Apple one I  
have do have alt where US ones have option.


This Apple keyboard also lacks Enter keys, and maybe 5 or 6 other  
differences. I bought this one for Cloe a while back and in order to  
prevent violence I had to have a US version shipped over  ;-)   Touch  
typists are touchy.


sims
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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Richmond Mathewson]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I have 4 Macintosh computer keyboards (USB) and not a
> single one has an 'Option' key; where Apple used to
> have an 'Option' key there are 'Alt' keys - presumably
> to be more in sync with the PC world: I suppose their
> documentation (like somebody else's, cough, cough,
> cough) is lagging behind somewhat.

Are those Apple brand keyboards or from third parties?

Apple keyboards generally use Option:



they are all Apple keyboards that came with the computers!

It may be that on "my side of the pond" they use Alt, and on
your side they use Option (c.f. pronunciation of 'tomatoes').


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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I have 4 Macintosh computer keyboards (USB) and not a
> single one has an 'Option' key; where Apple used to
> have an 'Option' key there are 'Alt' keys - presumably
> to be more in sync with the PC world: I suppose their
> documentation (like somebody else's, cough, cough,
> cough) is lagging behind somewhat.

Are those Apple brand keyboards or from third parties?

Apple keyboards generally use Option:


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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Richmond Mathewson]

Jim Sims wrote:




In the case of Control-Click this use to be used to bring up a 
'Contextual
Menu', but in my latest copy of OS X The Missing Manual, I see in the 
Index

'Contextual Menus' says - see Shortcut Menus. So anything to do with
Control-Click should be referenced to a Shortcut Menu.
I tend to avoid manuals, as I have a feeling that they are outdated 
almost as soon as they go to press.
Perhaps that is why Apple's theoretical manual is missing; but, as we 
all know, where angels fear to

tread other, less angelic types, rush in to fill the gap.  :)

I found this from Apple:  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

"A keyboard shortcut is a way to invoke a function in Mac OS X by 
pressing a combination of keys on your keyboard."


and further on...

"A modifier key is a part of many key combinations. A modifier key 
alters the way other keystrokes or mouse clicks are interpreted by Mac 
OS X. Modifier keys include: Command, Control, Option, Shift, Caps 
Lock, and (on portable Macs) the fn key."


Just to throw a spanner in the works; I have 4 Macintosh computer 
keyboards (USB) and not a single one has an
'Option' key; where Apple used to have an 'Option' key there are 'Alt' 
keys - presumably to be more in sync with
the PC world: I suppose their documentation (like somebody else's, 
cough, cough, cough) is lagging behind
somewhat.  Therefore it might be better to use 'Alt' rather than 
'Option' in any documentation you are writing.


Also, remember that, although, until recently Macs were supplied with a 
single-button mouse, many, many people use
either a 2-button wheel-mouse or a 3-button mouse; and, oddly enough, 
even though Mac were espousing the supposed
virtues of a single-button mouse for years, the RIGHT button on a 
multibutton mouse brings up the contextual menus.


Of course recently, just to show their hairy-chestedness, Apple have 
been pushing a 4-button mouse!  :)


So, for example, to open the file log in my app one can mouse click 
with the option key down. To open the timer/billing window you mouse 
click with the control key down. It would seem that the terms I am 
looking for would also include Modifier Key. I'm getting way too picky 
for my usual sloppy self.  ;-P


This is a real can of worms as, with a single-button mouse you can do 
all sorts of 'funny' things with option/alt click, control click
and command click. One can even modify preferences as to which modifier 
key one wants to use to simulate using a RIGHT click

on a 2 button mouse.

Easy-Peasy ain't in it.  :)  If you really want to be incredibly picky I 
think you will get badly bogged down. Most Mac users are
not the sort of "narrow-minded tribals" that some would paint them; 
after all they have had to exist in a world dominated
by a "colonial power" for some considerable time, therefore if you make 
the odd "slip tween cup and lip" I am sure most

people will forgive you and understand what you mean.

sims




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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Jim Sims]

On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Jim Sims  wrote:



On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

Apple calls them keyboard shortcuts. The standard way of expressing  
them

seems to be Command-Option-L, with caps and hyphens.




In the case of Control-Click this use to be used to bring up a  
'Contextual
Menu', but in my latest copy of OS X The Missing Manual, I see in  
the Index

'Contextual Menus' says - see Shortcut Menus. So anything to do with
Control-Click should be referenced to a Shortcut Menu.


I found this from Apple:  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

"A keyboard shortcut is a way to invoke a function in Mac OS X by  
pressing a combination of keys on your keyboard."


and further on...

"A modifier key is a part of many key combinations. A modifier key  
alters the way other keystrokes or mouse clicks are interpreted by Mac  
OS X. Modifier keys include: Command, Control, Option, Shift, Caps  
Lock, and (on portable Macs) the fn key."


So, for example, to open the file log in my app one can mouse click  
with the option key down. To open the timer/billing window you mouse  
click with the control key down. It would seem that the terms I am  
looking for would also include Modifier Key. I'm getting way too picky  
for my usual sloppy self.  ;-P


sims
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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Kay C Lan]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Jim Sims  wrote:

>
> On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>  Apple calls them keyboard shortcuts. The standard way of expressing them
>> seems to be Command-Option-L, with caps and hyphens.
>>
>
> Thank you Devin.
>
> I'm trying my best for all out precision on this on, the app is for Mac
> fanatics and developers so I need to have 'correct' language.
>
>
In the case of Control-Click this use to be used to bring up a 'Contextual
Menu', but in my latest copy of OS X The Missing Manual, I see in the Index
'Contextual Menus' says - see Shortcut Menus. So anything to do with
Control-Click should be referenced to a Shortcut Menu.

HTH
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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Jim Sims]

On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

Apple calls them keyboard shortcuts. The standard way of expressing  
them seems to be Command-Option-L, with caps and hyphens.


Thank you Devin.

I'm trying my best for all out precision on this on, the app is for  
Mac fanatics and developers so I need to have 'correct' language.


sims

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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Richmond Mathewson]

And, Jim, just to fill you with the full nausea:

http://rixstep.com/2/20040510,00.shtml

here is a fairly exhaustive (and exhausting) list of
Mac OS keyboard shortcuts.

Devin Asay wrote:


On Jun 23, 2009, at 1:29 AM, jim sims wrote:


Anyone know the OS X "proper name" for control-click, option-click,
command-click events?


Keyboard shortcuts doesn't seem correct to me, but that's all I can
think of. I need to have the real deal term in order to satisfy
hardcore Mac users.

Also, is using the hyphen (option-click) the correct/required way to
express these events?


Anybody know?


Apple calls them keyboard shortcuts. The standard way of expressing 
them seems to be Command-Option-L, with caps and hyphens.


Devin

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Re: option click, control click, etc

[Devin Asay]

On Jun 23, 2009, at 1:29 AM, jim sims wrote:


Anyone know the OS X "proper name" for control-click, option-click,
command-click events?


Keyboard shortcuts doesn't seem correct to me, but that's all I can
think of. I need to have the real deal term in order to satisfy
hardcore Mac users.

Also, is using the hyphen (option-click) the correct/required way to
express these events?


Anybody know?


Apple calls them keyboard shortcuts. The standard way of expressing  
them seems to be Command-Option-L, with caps and hyphens.


Devin

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option click, control click, etc

[jim sims]

Anyone know the OS X "proper name" for control-click, option-click,  
command-click events?



Keyboard shortcuts doesn't seem correct to me, but that's all I can  
think of. I need to have the real deal term in order to satisfy  
hardcore Mac users.


Also, is using the hyphen (option-click) the correct/required way to  
express these events?



Anybody know?


sims


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