Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread sims

At 1:46 PM -0700 7/8/05, Mark Wieder wrote:

Just curious, though - don't you have a hard time selecting invisible
or off-screen objects without it? Seems rather like trying to pilot a
plane without instruments to me. It's a handy way for me to know what
stacks *are* in memory, so I can close them before running into the
dreaded error message about a stack by that name already existing.


Nope. I usually use a naming scheme so I know what to name cds or stacks, View
in the menubar has 'Show invisible Objects', and I use the message box for lots
of things. Once or twice a day I might use the App Browser but 
usually not more.


That's one of the things I like about Rev - it's extremely flexible.

ciao,
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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Mark Wieder
sims-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 11:19:03 AM, you wrote:

s> When I "Close and Remove From Memory" the App Browser
s> pops up even if I hadn't opened it during that session.

s> I'd like to have the option for that not to happen...as I rarely use it.

Ah - got it. That's a different issue from what I was thinking of.

Just curious, though - don't you have a hard time selecting invisible
or off-screen objects without it? Seems rather like trying to pilot a
plane without instruments to me. It's a handy way for me to know what
stacks *are* in memory, so I can close them before running into the
dreaded error message about a stack by that name already existing.

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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread sims

At 11:00 AM -0700 7/8/05, Mark Wieder wrote:

I use the App Browser all the time, so it's convenient that it pops up
for me when I start rev. However, when I do close it and then shut
down the IDE it doesn't pop up the next time I launch rev.

Are you seeing something different?


When I "Close and Remove From Memory" the App Browser
pops up even if I hadn't opened it during that session.

I'd like to have the option for that not to happen...as I rarely use it.

ciao,
sims
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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Mark Wieder
David-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 7:49:58 AM, you wrote:

DB> Well that's what I was suggesting, an "Open App Browser on Launch"
DB> Checkbox would do it. Or maybe "Open App Browser when Opening Stack"
DB> would be better.

The App Browser remembers the last setting. If you had it open, it
opens the next time. If you had it closed, it stays closed. What's the
problem? I suppose having a checkbox by the menuItem would be a good
visual indicator, but I see having Yet Another Preference Setting as
being redundant here.

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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Mark Wieder
sims-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 7:37:55 AM, you wrote:

s> Can anyone point me to a preference for keeping it closed unless
s> I want to open it myself?

Interesting. That's the way it works for me.

I use the App Browser all the time, so it's convenient that it pops up
for me when I start rev. However, when I do close it and then shut
down the IDE it doesn't pop up the next time I launch rev.

Are you seeing something different?

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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Mark Wieder
Eric-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 6:33:28 AM, you wrote:

EC> May I add that the prefs button at the top-right of the Rev Online
EC> window does not make sense?
EC> I thought for a long time it was only a "logo" :-)

!!! A prefs button !!! I never thought about clicking on it !!!

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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Derek Bump

sims wrote:

Just to prove that you cannot make everyone happy...   ;-)


How true.  I too am unhappy about the Application Browser.  It never 
opens in the same location.  I have a BugZilla ticket opened with a fix, 
so votes would be appreciated.


The Property Palette also has the same issue, but fixing it is a little 
bit more intricate.



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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread David Burgun

Hi,

Well that's what I was suggesting, an "Open App Browser on Launch" 
Checkbox would do it. Or maybe "Open App Browser when Opening Stack" 
would be better.


All the Best
Dave



At 3:33 PM +0100 7/8/05, David Burgun wrote:

I just tested it and the App Browser does open as you say! This must
be new, cos on the last version I swear you had to open it each time
the app was launched.


Just to prove that you cannot make everyone happy...   ;-)

I dislike having the App Browser opening. I usually never use the
App Browser. Now I have to close the thing all the time. I am guessing
that there isn't a preference for keeping it closed and I might have to
muck around in the rev_ code. Argh.

Can anyone point me to a preference for keeping it closed unless
I want to open it myself?

ciao,
sims
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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread sims

At 3:33 PM +0100 7/8/05, David Burgun wrote:

I just tested it and the App Browser does open as you say! This must
be new, cos on the last version I swear you had to open it each time
the app was launched.


Just to prove that you cannot make everyone happy...   ;-)

I dislike having the App Browser opening. I usually never use the
App Browser. Now I have to close the thing all the time. I am guessing
that there isn't a preference for keeping it closed and I might have to
muck around in the rev_ code. Argh.

Can anyone point me to a preference for keeping it closed unless
I want to open it myself?

ciao,
sims
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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread David Burgun

Hi,

I just tested it and the App Browser does open as you say! This must
be new, cos on the last version I swear you had to open it each time
the app was launched.

The Stack issues is not a big one, it's just that if you have 3 or 4
seperate main stacks open and the IDE crashes, it's a real pain to
have to open them all again.

The open recent files is a help, but would be cool IMO if it were a
pref, but no biggie!

Think I am still in shock from the terrible destruction of yesterday,
if anyone on this list was hurt or knows someone that was hurt or
worse, my heart goes out to you. I got off lightly, a 40 min journey
took me 5 hours, so I lost 4 hours and 20 mins of my
life. Much worse for some.

All the Best
Dave


Hi Dave,

As for the app browser, it's automatic: Rev opens it if it was open
when you quit the previous session.
As for last stack, it depends on too many things and ways for
everybody to work.
But you can dowload my Stacks Picker plugin from my web-site and
define preferences to open, start using, etc. all stacks needed at
start-up with it.

Le 8 juil. 05 à 14:59, David Burgun a écrit :


Still think it would be a good idea to have a pref for opened the
App Browser and Open Last Stack.


Best Regards from Paris,

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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Jon



Eric Chatonet wrote:

This pref (open Rev Online at start-up or not) should be included in  
Rev Online itself.



Agree!

May I add that the prefs button at the top-right of the Rev Online  
window does not make sense?

I thought for a long time it was only a "logo" :-)



I had no idea that some of those items did anything.  I guess I have to 
click on everything I can see!



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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi all,

I agree.
Ergonomics are not the strong point of runRev.
This pref (open Rev Online at start-up or not) should be included in  
Rev Online itself.
May I add that the prefs button at the top-right of the Rev Online  
window does not make sense?

I thought for a long time it was only a "logo" :-)

Le 8 juil. 05 à 15:26, Jon a écrit :

In all fairness, I had a hard time finding this preference, too: I  
had no idea it was there.


Best Regards from Paris,

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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Jon
In all fairness, I had a hard time finding this preference, too: I had 
no idea it was there.


:)

Jon




At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window  
should be a Preference.



It is, mon ami, it is!

Clean your glasses and take a look at:

Preferences -> General -> Automatically launch Revolution Online



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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Dave,

As for the app browser, it's automatic: Rev opens it if it was open  
when you quit the previous session.
As for last stack, it depends on too many things and ways for  
everybody to work.
But you can dowload my Stacks Picker plugin from my web-site and  
define preferences to open, start using, etc. all stacks needed at  
start-up with it.


Le 8 juil. 05 à 14:59, David Burgun a écrit :

Still think it would be a good idea to have a pref for opened the  
App Browser and Open Last Stack.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread David Burgun
Excellent! Sorry!  Couldn't see it for looking! Now just default it 
to off and we're away!


Still think it would be a good idea to have a pref for opened the App 
Browser and Open Last Stack.


Bye for now
Dave




Hi David,


Hi All,

Is there anyway to stop the revOnline Viewer window from popping up 
everytime I launch RunRev? It is sooo annoying!


It wouldn't be too bad, if there were not so many bugs in the IDE 
that make it necessary to relaunch RunRev. I really can't see the 
point of popping up this window EVERY time you launch rev, anyone 
else agree?


I MUCH better thing to do IMHO would be to open the Application 
Browser on the last stack used. Now that would be useful.


At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window 
should be a Preference.


It is, mon ami, it is!

Clean your glasses and take a look at:

Preferences -> General -> Automatically launch Revolution Online

:-)


Just my 5 cents worth
All the Best
Dave


Regards

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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Klaus Major

Hi David,


Hi All,

Is there anyway to stop the revOnline Viewer window from popping up  
everytime I launch RunRev? It is sooo annoying!


It wouldn't be too bad, if there were not so many bugs in the IDE  
that make it necessary to relaunch RunRev. I really can't see the  
point of popping up this window EVERY time you launch rev, anyone  
else agree?


I MUCH better thing to do IMHO would be to open the Application  
Browser on the last stack used. Now that would be useful.


At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window  
should be a Preference.


It is, mon ami, it is!

Clean your glasses and take a look at:

Preferences -> General -> Automatically launch Revolution Online

:-)


Just my 5 cents worth
All the Best
Dave


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread Wouter


On 08 Jul 2005, at 14:39, David Burgun wrote:


Hi All,

Is there anyway to stop the revOnline Viewer window from popping up  
everytime I launch RunRev? It is sooo annoying!


It wouldn't be too bad, if there were not so many bugs in the IDE  
that make it necessary to relaunch RunRev. I really can't see the  
point of popping up this window EVERY time you launch rev, anyone  
else agree?


I MUCH better thing to do IMHO would be to open the Application  
Browser on the last stack used. Now that would be useful.


At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window  
should be a Preference.


It is.




Just my 5 cents worth
All the Best
Dave



Greetings,
Wouter
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recOnline Viewer

2005-07-08 Thread David Burgun

Hi All,

Is there anyway to stop the revOnline Viewer window from popping up 
everytime I launch RunRev? It is sooo annoying!


It wouldn't be too bad, if there were not so many bugs in the IDE 
that make it necessary to relaunch RunRev. I really can't see the 
point of popping up this window EVERY time you launch rev, anyone 
else agree?


I MUCH better thing to do IMHO would be to open the Application 
Browser on the last stack used. Now that would be useful.


At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window should 
be a Preference.


Just my 5 cents worth
All the Best
Dave


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