So long...

[jim sims]

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Ciao ciao.


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Re: so long

[Dan Shafer]

Which in turn has a lot to do with the emergence of Apple's own reputedly
excellent development tools. And so it goes.

On 4/3/06, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Stephen-
>
> Sunday, April 2, 2006, 7:47:54 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Well, that's too bad. As far as I can tell, Rev is still committed to
> > OS9, and are promising a 2.7 version. There was a problem with the
> > old compiler or something that predicated more work on it than other
> > platforms apparently.
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> I'm certain that a lot has to do with the demise of Metrowerks...
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Re: so long

[Mark Wieder]

Stephen-

Sunday, April 2, 2006, 7:47:54 PM, you wrote:

> Well, that's too bad. As far as I can tell, Rev is still committed to
> OS9, and are promising a 2.7 version. There was a problem with the 
> old compiler or something that predicated more work on it than other
> platforms apparently.

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Re: so long

[David Burgun]

Hi Sean,

How do you deploy your standalones? I used to have one big stack  
file, but found that it caused all kinds of problems when running as  
a standalone. Now I have a dummy "splash screen" stack that gets  
built into a standalone. All it does is "jump" to a .rev file (inside  
the app bundle). This seems to make a lot of things work better under  
Mac OS 9.


It would be easy for you to try this and might be worth the 10  
minutes or so it will take. All you have to do is to create a dummy  
stack that just does a "go to stack path_inside_bundle/stackfile.rev"  
in the openStack handler. Then add the file(s) "stackfile,rev" to the  
file list in the "Copy Files" panel of the Standalone settings Dialog.


I can let you have some code to do this if like.

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave


On 3 Apr 2006, at 01:54, Sean Shao wrote:

well it's been fun but i can't keep wasting valuable resources  
trying to get the database features of rev to work..  for all my  
bragging about rev and it's ease of use and how it'll make this  
project so much better than doing it as a web-based app, i've  
basically had enough..


rev.. do you guys even bother to do beta testing?! if so, you could  
stand to do a lot more.. if not, i'm more than willing to do  
testing (for free even) and have ample test platforms to ensure  
that the feature set that you say is there does work..


i've gone all the way back to rev 2.0.3 and have not been able to  
get the database stuff to work in compiled apps for mac os 9.. if  
anyone has ever gotten this to work, please contact me (offlist as  
i'm cancelling my subscription after this goes through)..


for everyone who is testing anything for me, consider it in the  
public domain from this point forward..  i will attempt to finish  
up any outstanding bugs and features, but no promises..


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RE: so long

[Robert Brenstein]

Sean,



 i've gone all the way back to rev 2.0.3 and have not been
 able to get the
 database stuff to work in compiled apps for mac os 9.. if
 anyone has ever
 gotten this to work, please contact me (offlist as i'm cancelling my
 subscription after this goes through)..


Sorry to see you go!  I admit I can't get Rev database app's
to run on anything less than Panther.  I've been forced to
do an ISAM treatment using Rev stacks in an attempt to make
one of my products compliant with running on Jaguar (on which
platform I have several customers).  However I can say that
SQLite with Altuits wrapper works a treat on Panther + systems.

Scott


I am one of those who can't afford the luxury of dumping OS9 from 
supported platforms, so I feel your pain. I do use databases under 
OS9 successfully but... I use Valentina VXCMD 1.x exclusively. And it 
works for me.


Robert
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Re: so long

[Dan Shafer]

The departure of a developer of Sean Shao's stature should raise some alarms
in Edinburgh. Like Sarah and many others, I've basically simply ignored OS 9
for the past year or so; any clients still using it are on their own. But I
can understand the need in some markets -- presumably especially education
-- for OS 9 to continue to be supported. If the database stuff truly doesn't
work on OS 9 -- and fails clear back to Rev 2.0 -- then I can appreciate the
decision Sean had to make.

I agree Sean's contributions will be sorely missed.

OTOH, I think it's important for people with less history with the product
than some of us who are now commenting in this thread not to get the
impression that one even serious departure from the fold bodes ill for the
product in general. I can say that Rev 2.6.1 is as solid and stable a
development platform as I've worked on, even with the warts it does have,
and that nothiing else even comes close to letitng me create cross-platform
applications that just flat work, database and all, on every platform I
target.


On 4/2/06, Sarah Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/3/06, Sean Shao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > well it's been fun but i can't keep wasting valuable resources trying to
> get
> > the database features of rev to work..  for all my bragging about rev
> and
> > it's ease of use and how it'll make this project so much better than
> doing
> > it as a web-based app, i've basically had enough..
> >
> > rev.. do you guys even bother to do beta testing?! if so, you could
> stand to
> > do a lot more.. if not, i'm more than willing to do testing (for free
> even)
> > and have ample test platforms to ensure that the feature set that you
> say is
> > there does work..
>
> Sorry to see you go Sean. Your contributions have been valued. I
> couldn't be any help since I ditched OS 9 completely as soon as I
> could. Did you contact RunRev support? I've never had to use it myself
> (this list always comes to my rescue) but it's worth a try before
> giving up completely.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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Re: so long

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 4/3/06, Sean Shao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> well it's been fun but i can't keep wasting valuable resources trying to get
> the database features of rev to work..  for all my bragging about rev and
> it's ease of use and how it'll make this project so much better than doing
> it as a web-based app, i've basically had enough..
>
> rev.. do you guys even bother to do beta testing?! if so, you could stand to
> do a lot more.. if not, i'm more than willing to do testing (for free even)
> and have ample test platforms to ensure that the feature set that you say is
> there does work..

Sorry to see you go Sean. Your contributions have been valued. I
couldn't be any help since I ditched OS 9 completely as soon as I
could. Did you contact RunRev support? I've never had to use it myself
(this list always comes to my rescue) but it's worth a try before
giving up completely.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: so long

[Stephen Barncard]

Well, that's too bad. As far as I can tell, Rev is still committed to 
OS9, and are promising a 2.7 version. There was a problem with the 
old compiler or something that predicated more work on it than other 
platforms apparently.


Certainly you're expecting a lot for that old system 9...

well it's been fun but i can't keep wasting valuable resources 
trying to get the database features of rev to work..  for all my 
bragging about rev and it's ease of use and how it'll make this 
project so much better than doing it as a web-based app, i've 
basically had enough..


rev.. do you guys even bother to do beta testing?! if so, you could 
stand to do a lot more.. if not, i'm more than willing to do testing 
(for free even) and have ample test platforms to ensure that the 
feature set that you say is there does work..


i've gone all the way back to rev 2.0.3 and have not been able to 
get the database stuff to work in compiled apps for mac os 9.. if 
anyone has ever gotten this to work, please contact me (offlist as 
i'm cancelling my subscription after this goes through)..


for everyone who is testing anything for me, consider it in the 
public domain from this point forward..  i will attempt to finish up 
any outstanding bugs and features, but no promises..


-Sean


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RE: so long

[Scott Kane]

Sean,


> i've gone all the way back to rev 2.0.3 and have not been 
> able to get the 
> database stuff to work in compiled apps for mac os 9.. if 
> anyone has ever 
> gotten this to work, please contact me (offlist as i'm cancelling my 
> subscription after this goes through)..

Sorry to see you go!  I admit I can't get Rev database app's
to run on anything less than Panther.  I've been forced to
do an ISAM treatment using Rev stacks in an attempt to make
one of my products compliant with running on Jaguar (on which
platform I have several customers).  However I can say that
SQLite with Altuits wrapper works a treat on Panther + systems.

Scott

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so long

[Sean Shao]

well it's been fun but i can't keep wasting valuable resources trying to get 
the database features of rev to work..  for all my bragging about rev and 
it's ease of use and how it'll make this project so much better than doing 
it as a web-based app, i've basically had enough..


rev.. do you guys even bother to do beta testing?! if so, you could stand to 
do a lot more.. if not, i'm more than willing to do testing (for free even) 
and have ample test platforms to ensure that the feature set that you say is 
there does work..


i've gone all the way back to rev 2.0.3 and have not been able to get the 
database stuff to work in compiled apps for mac os 9.. if anyone has ever 
gotten this to work, please contact me (offlist as i'm cancelling my 
subscription after this goes through)..


for everyone who is testing anything for me, consider it in the public 
domain from this point forward..  i will attempt to finish up any 
outstanding bugs and features, but no promises..


-Sean

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Re: Rép : So long and thanks for all the st acks...

[Marian Petrides]

Let's end this thread. It serves no useful purpose.


While I wholeheartedly agree, I do think it is crucial that any  
lurkers out there recognize that Xavier's issues with Rev had nothing  
to do with Rev as a development environment--despite what his initial  
post may have suggested.  As for the rest, 'nuff said.


Marian



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Re: Rép : So long and thanks for all the stack s...

[J. Landman Gay]

Pierre Sahores wrote:

It's a desolation... I can't understand what happen RunRev Team. Are  
you sure you wanted to drive us, the historical Xtalk's developpers  and 
fellows, in a so critical way ?


They don't want to do that. The problem here is that no one has the 
whole story. RR has been discrete. Xavier has presented his side to a 
few individiuals in private mail, but it is not the whole story. This 
topic should never have come up on the lists, and now that it has, 
people think they know what is happening but they do not.


Non-Americans (and maybe some Americans as well) may not know about the 
hot coffee lawsuit against MacDonald's a few years ago. A woman was 
badly burned when she spilled a cup of coffee and she sued MacDonald's. 
She won the lawsuit. It became the brunt of many jokes; everyone felt it 
was a trivial lawsuit that showed how litigation-happy Americans are, 
and how they will sue for damages at the smallest provocation. Everyone 
agreed that if you spill hot coffee on yourself, it is not the fault of 
the company who sold you the coffee. The woman was a laughing stock.


However, when the details of the trial were released, opinion changed. 
Those who had read the transcripts no longer thought the woman's lawsuit 
was frivolous. They now understood that MacDonald's had ignored warnings 
for years and now had to account for themselves.


Do not judge Runtime by the second-hand information that has been 
disclosed to these lists. Without all the details, there is no judgement 
that can be made. It is natural to want to defend those we perceive as 
the victims, but there are always two sides to any story.


Let's end this thread. It serves no useful purpose.

(Details of the McDonald's lawsuit: )

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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Marielle Lange]

Hi Everyone,

Unfortunately, I am in the same position as Xavier and Eric.

I am not reading any of the rev lists anymore, so please contact me  
privately or copy my email on things you would like me to read.


My support to the fantastic xTalk language continues, as does my  
support to this brilliant community. The codes website and  
revolution.widged.com/wiki will continue to run. I won't even even  
remove the testimonials page. xTalk is a great product and will  
remain so and nobody can change that.


Similarly , I acknowledge the professionalism of many members of the  
team and I acknowledge all the very many efforts that have been put  
by the technical team in 2.7. I always have been served above my  
expectations by Heather, their secretary.


My problems are primarily, if not exclusively, with their manager's  
way of treating customers. As I want to give them every chance to  
resolve these problems, I won't write more here.


Marielle

 


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi everyone,

I think that the things must be clear in these stormy days: everyone  
may give his opinion in democracy :-)

So, I forward to the list a private email I sent to Xavier yesterday.

Yes, Xavier, Rev looses much more than you.
They loose a passionate evangelist with a new idea each minute, who  
helped the community at the speed of his Z3 and always brought clean  
air in "single thinking" processes.
A for me, I  shall no longer participate to the list until Rev  
announces significant changes in their way of treating their  
customers and clear up the 2.7 mess.
I really hope they will have understood yet the warning shot coming  
from so many passionate users.


Forwarded message :


De : Eric Chatonet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date : 24 février 2006 09:22:31 HNEC
À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet : So sorry :-(

Hi Xavier,

I understand your concern but I'll miss you.
As for me, I warn Mark and Kevin (off-list)  for weeks against a  
lack of exigence and the wrong way they are taking.

I don't mince my words but obviously, they don't want to understand...

Nice life and, sure, some private emails going on :-)


Best Regards from Paris,
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[David Burgun]

Nice sentiment, but it's hard to be cool with people that are so  
short sighted, so inflexible and seem hell bent on ruining their own  
business.


Anyway. Enough of that! Thanks for all the help Xavier you will be  
missed greatly.


All the VERY Best
Dave

On 24 Feb 2006, at 17:01, MisterX wrote:


That part of it was a quiproquo and I dont blame rev for it.
At least once they did read what I said and acted on it!

Like I said, no hard feelings, I look forward to other
creative activities beyond programming! It's sad to throw away such
a long enterprise as was TAOO and the long hours chatting in
the list. HAD I known! Famous last words ;)

Believe me the bigger loss is not mine...

The decision was fostered by rev's reactions - true but the decision
came to me in light of exploiting other fun stuff like music  
composition,

racing engineering and skills, sci fi writing which were all in the
backburner due to the time I spent before during and after work
in Rev, and usually also for rev at my own cost.

Please be cool with rev, help them make their tools better for you.



Cheers
Xavier



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I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but
there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html

We'll miss you X,

-Sean

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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[MisterX]

wow Dan

im moved by those words in a serious way! I reassure you nothing is lost,
it's only transformed... Opportunity cost and an open mind for alternatives
and opportunities is what I like in this new life away from the computer... 

Dan, You're one of the best and really wished I could write like you! I'll
do you proud hopefully with a book on TAOO - and let the reader imagine! I
think the idea is still ahead of its time though some might say it's been
there since the beginning of computing! But I have a science fiction book I
started writing and left unatended too long... 

I'll surely miss revland! But it's not the only way to serenity! It sure was
a great way. I just realized I had other revolutions I wasn't tending to ;)

Cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Dan Shafer
> Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 21:21
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
> 
> I have long been a supporter and fan of Xavier's. He 
> attempted to create a massive infrastructure in HyperCard and 
> later began moving it to Rev. He and I have had many very 
> long exchanges about the object orientation of what he was 
> trying to build. I think he learned a lot about how hard it 
> is to create an OO world in a language that doesn't think in 
> objects. He sure taught me a few things in the process.
> 
> We'll miss you in Revland, Xavier, but you are following in 
> time-honored steps. When Bill Atkinson, the Father of 
> HyperCard, moved on, he moved all the way on, shifting his 
> life focus away from technology and into photography. 
> Watershed moments come in the oddest ways sometimes. Perhaps 
> the push over the edge that Xavier felt at the way he 
> perceived being treated by RunRev will turn out to be in the 
> long run the best thing that could have happened for him.
> 
> I sincerely hope so.
> 
> On 2/24/06, Jonathan Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  "Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a 
> beer, good 
> > food and loads of laughs! ;)
> >
> > cheers
> > Xavier"
> >
> > I, for one, shall have wine tonight, and shall toast Xavier 
> to my wife.
> > (Who will probably look at me funny and ask who the heck that is.)
> >
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Pierre Sahores]

As a first-class creative XTalk's geek and a real smart people,  
Xavier has always been from the ones whose did "our rev-list  
community" more interssant, friendly and helpfull. To read Xavier's  
mails and to exchange design skills with him was always funny and  
helpfull. It's a sad news to have to understand that this will yet be  
over, in the past.


On the other hand, alike any real creative people, Xavier will just  
be an happy and lucky guy to focus its energy on new and jungest  
projects (programming, music, cars,...) and i'm sure that the lost is  
for our rev community while the open door to new worlds is for you  
Xav ;-)


Good luck, Friend and tell us about your projects private. About the  
beer, do you travel to Paris in the near, the "froggie's small little  
town" ?


Kindly yours,
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www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 24 févr. 06 à 18:01, MisterX a écrit :


That part of it was a quiproquo and I dont blame rev for it.
At least once they did read what I said and acted on it!

Like I said, no hard feelings, I look forward to other
creative activities beyond programming! It's sad to throw away such
a long enterprise as was TAOO and the long hours chatting in
the list. HAD I known! Famous last words ;)

Believe me the bigger loss is not mine...

The decision was fostered by rev's reactions - true but the decision
came to me in light of exploiting other fun stuff like music  
composition,

racing engineering and skills, sci fi writing which were all in the
backburner due to the time I spent before during and after work
in Rev, and usually also for rev at my own cost.

Please be cool with rev, help them make their tools better for you.

Cheers
Xavier



-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 17:27
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...


I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but
there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Dan Shafer]

I have long been a supporter and fan of Xavier's. He attempted to
create a massive infrastructure in HyperCard and later began moving it
to Rev. He and I have had many very long exchanges about the object
orientation of what he was trying to build. I think he learned a lot
about how hard it is to create an OO world in a language that doesn't
think in objects. He sure taught me a few things in the process.

We'll miss you in Revland, Xavier, but you are following in
time-honored steps. When Bill Atkinson, the Father of HyperCard, moved
on, he moved all the way on, shifting his life focus away from
technology and into photography. Watershed moments come in the oddest
ways sometimes. Perhaps the push over the edge that Xavier felt at the
way he perceived being treated by RunRev will turn out to be in the
long run the best thing that could have happened for him.

I sincerely hope so.

On 2/24/06, Jonathan Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  "Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food
> and
> loads of laughs! ;)
>
> cheers
> Xavier"
>
> I, for one, shall have wine tonight, and shall toast Xavier to my wife.
> (Who will probably look at me funny and ask who the heck that is.)
>
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Jonathan Lynch]

 "Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food
and
loads of laughs! ;)

cheers
Xavier"

I, for one, shall have wine tonight, and shall toast Xavier to my wife.
(Who will probably look at me funny and ask who the heck that is.)

J
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Charles Hartman]

FLStudio sounds cool, I thought . . .
Eww, but it runs on Windows!

Charles (dodging)


On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:


Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as
quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow
without the stumbling blocks.


Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http:// 
bhmotorsports.com)


And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring  
a real GT

race car...

--

For work, where I used MC for storage management (large scale), the  
new 2003

server release from MS will surely do the job since I comes with those
features I made in MC. Since we have an full enterprise license for  
that, we

can have direct engineering support from MS.

Less work... believe me is better!

cheers
Xavier


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim  
Ault

Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 16:59
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, "Jonathan Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



I don't understand...

Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to
get tools working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.
Sounds like he has built a very extensive environment that
has been a serious challenge to integrate and the Rev upgrade
path added too much difficulty.

Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as
quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow
without the stumbling blocks.

I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was
not for Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another
difficult language to build software for my two businesses.
Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac and Win32 will do all
that I need for the next several years.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[MisterX]

> I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with 
> Rev, but Hey good luck to you.
> 
> Maybe we'll see you around, dude.
> 
> Tom

FLStudio you could compare to rev very easily.

Any audio sample, filter, channel, controller, keyboard, setting or
automation is an object you stack up in a song. The comparison stops there,
rev is xplatform, FLS is bug-free and updates are for life! 

GTLegends is a pure simulator... Like rev it allowed me to test the limits
of any object-model (like gambling games and cars + chassis settings +
physics of driving techniques under different conditions)... The visual and
aural results are as good (in 2.7 at least) as the skill and time you put
into it... Where rev is xplatform, GTLegends is threading like I wish rev
could! Both also share bugs agogo, expert user challenge I some cases and no
support.

Finally all three grant you a user experience reward which is as rich as you
want, unlimited in capacity and just pure bliss...

> Maybe we'll see you around, dude.

Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food and
loads of laughs! ;)

cheers
Xavier



> -Original Message-
> From: Thomas McGrath III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 18:27
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
> 
> I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with 
> Rev, but Hey good luck to you.
> 
> Maybe we'll see you around, dude.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:
> 
> > Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...
> >
> > These include:
> > http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there 
> > http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http://
> > bhmotorsports.com)
> >
> > And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or 
> restoring a 
> > real GT race car...
> 
> Thomas J McGrath III
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Lazy River SoftwareT - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com
> 
> Lazy River Metal ArtT - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html
> 
> Meeting WearT - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear
> 
> Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com
> 
> SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Thomas McGrath III]

I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with Rev,  
but Hey good luck to you.


Maybe we'll see you around, dude.

Tom

On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:


Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http:// 
bhmotorsports.com)


And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring  
a real GT

race car...


Thomas J McGrath III
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lazy River Software™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear™ - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html







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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[MisterX]

> Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as 
> quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow 
> without the stumbling blocks.

Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http://bhmotorsports.com)

And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring a real GT
race car...

--

For work, where I used MC for storage management (large scale), the new 2003
server release from MS will surely do the job since I comes with those
features I made in MC. Since we have an full enterprise license for that, we
can have direct engineering support from MS. 

Less work... believe me is better!

cheers
Xavier

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Ault
> Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 16:59
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
> 
> On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, "Jonathan Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I don't understand...
> > 
> > Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
> >
> Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to 
> get tools working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.  
> Sounds like he has built a very extensive environment that 
> has been a serious challenge to integrate and the Rev upgrade 
> path added too much difficulty.
> 
> Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as 
> quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow 
> without the stumbling blocks.
> 
> I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was 
> not for Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another 
> difficult language to build software for my two businesses.  
> Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac and Win32 will do all 
> that I need for the next several years.
> 
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Jonathan Lynch]

My goodness...

I read those links. That was painful to read. All of that over a single
license!
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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[MisterX]

That part of it was a quiproquo and I dont blame rev for it. 
At least once they did read what I said and acted on it!

Like I said, no hard feelings, I look forward to other 
creative activities beyond programming! It's sad to throw away such
a long enterprise as was TAOO and the long hours chatting in 
the list. HAD I known! Famous last words ;)

Believe me the bigger loss is not mine...

The decision was fostered by rev's reactions - true but the decision
came to me in light of exploiting other fun stuff like music composition,
racing engineering and skills, sci fi writing which were all in the
backburner due to the time I spent before during and after work
in Rev, and usually also for rev at my own cost.

Please be cool with rev, help them make their tools better for you.

Cheers
Xavier


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Sean Shao
> Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 17:27
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
> 
> >I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
> 
> It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but 
> there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..
> 
> http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
> http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
> http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html
> 
> We'll miss you X,
> 
> -Sean
> 
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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Lynn Fredricks]

> >I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
> 
> It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but 
> there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license.

There are some issues solely between Xavier and RR which were on the list
but had no business being on the list. Some information was wrong.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Sean Shao]

I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but there was some 
accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..


http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html

We'll miss you X,

-Sean

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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Jim Ault]

On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, "Jonathan Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't understand...
> 
> Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
>
Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to get tools
working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.  Sounds like he has built
a very extensive environment that has been a serious challenge to integrate
and the Rev upgrade path added too much difficulty.

Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as quick, but will
allow him to develop for his work flow without the stumbling blocks.

I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was not for
Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another difficult language to
build software for my two businesses.  Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac
and Win32 will do all that I need for the next several years.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Jonathan Lynch]

I don't understand...

Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


On 2/24/06, Scott Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Xavier,
>
> I really think you're overacting just a tiddly
> bit...
>
>
> Scott
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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[Scott Kane]

Xavier,

I really think you're overacting just a tiddly
bit...


Scott


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So long and thanks for all the stacks...

[MisterX]

Gals and guys, rev fans, xtalk gurus, mailist friends from long long long
ago
 
i officially leave the runrev community by the force of things and also by
honor... As we say at work, no support (or access) = less work!
 
Thanks to all for the wonderful xTalk years spent together..
 
Thanks for all the scripts and help, the donations that went to XOS/TAOO and
supporting it, the bug reports and the support and encouragements you've
given! All were truly appreciated!
 
No hard feelings to anyone.
 
Ciao, bests to all, and thanks for all the stacks
Xavier Bury
http://monsieurx.com
 
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Re: The gameI´ve been talking about for so long... ;-)

[malte . brill]

Hi Robert,

>I just fetched the classic version. How does one 
>read the instructions? The page shows a few lines
>of buttons, green checkmarks, and a red cross but
>not text whatsoever.

I hoped this would be self explanatory. Collect the items marked with
green checkmarks by clicking on them. Don´t collect the items marked
with a red cross.

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Re: The game I´ve been talking about for so long... ;-)

[Robert Brenstein]

Hi list!
I´ve been very quite the last few weeks. I´m on dial up until february
as I am moving and sorrowly can´t keep up with the traffic on the list.
I just want to let you know that I´ve uploaded the final version of the
game I´ve shown on Malta to my server.
mac classic:
http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_classic.sit
OsX
http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_osx.zip
Windows:
http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_setup.exe
I just fetched the classic version. How does one 
read the instructions? The page shows a few lines 
of buttons, green checkmarks, and a red cross but 
not text whatsoever.

Robert
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The game I´ve been talking about for so long... ;-)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi list!

I´ve been very quite the last few weeks. I´m on dial up until february
as I am moving and sorrowly can´t keep up with the traffic on the list.
I just want to let you know that I´ve uploaded the final version of the
game I´ve shown on Malta to my server.

mac classic:

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_classic.sit

OsX

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_osx.zip

Windows:

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_setup.exe

Each file is about 10 Megabytes. This is the most complex project I ever
did in Rev. It makes heavy use of libRMC. So if you want to see the
library in action please look at the game. ;-)
If you need a cheat drop me a line off list to my account
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Also a shameless plug: 
I have no current projects pending. So if anyone of you is looking for
an experienced multimedia producer who knows how to use Final Cut Pro,
After Effects, Photoshop, Protools, and many other Audio Tools and of
course Revolution, or is willing to sponsor the next game please drop me
a line.

Best,

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