Re: version 7.2 vs 8.0
Dear Bill, I think Revolution is a great product, and I am sure that a multiplatform project requires a lot of work in order to be a "good" product. In this months I have seen the bugzilla reports and forum discussions and then I know same patchs proposed by members of this list to fix same problems. But I think after a lot of work, these bugs can't be in a final release. If I sell my commercial software with these errors the final user asks back me the money. If I said to my final user that this is a beta version, all it is different. -- Riccardo Linzitto TEKNE informatica & comunicazione > Da: Bill Marriott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Risposta: How to use Revolution > Data: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:16:00 -0400 > A: > Oggetto: Re: version 7.2 vs 8.0 > > Riccardo, > > First, thanks for your comments and especially for going ahead and upgrading > your license. > > I see you're a member of the "open beta" test group. I'm curious if you are > experiencing the same issues with Beta 5? If so, please take the time to > report them in the Quality Center; we really need that data since the next > build is due soon and expected to be a release candidate for version 2.8.1. > > As we've tried to cover in the newsletter and beta test mailings, the 2.7.5 > target has been renamed to 2.9. That remains our goal for the free update, > the Linux support, and honestly, the quality bar we're aiming for. Some bugs > can only be properly addressed by underlying engine work, and since that's > tied in with Linux, you won't see some major fixes until that version > emerges. > > Having said that, RunRev engineers have fixed more than 500 bugs since the > launch of the open beta program (not all of them appear in Bugzilla). The > Altuit externals have been integrated, which greatly enhance the value of > the product. Windows Vista, with its new UI, different security scheme, and > other changes, is now supported. (I happen to run Vista right now, and while > many programs are flaky under that OS, Revolution is not one of them.) > > I agree that the 2.8.0 release is somewhat controversial. It did have some > rough edges. Nevertheless, it is a much better product than 2.7.4. And with > Vista shipping, I think it was important to replace what was out there for > the benefit of new customers and existing ones alike. Not only that, there > were some patches posted within a week of its release by members of this > use-rev list to address many of the issues you listed. > > I give Revolution credit for not simply labeling 2.8.0 as "2.7.5" and > calling it a day. They knew more work was necessary and they remain > committed to delivering on their promises. > > My most recent announcement to the beta test list invited everyone to email > me directly with their "top five" gripes -- old or new -- still remaining in > the product. I'll take this opportunity to again request this from you, so > we can pin them down and address them for 2.8.1 and/or 2.9. Actually, any of > you reading this now are welcome to email me with your list. And we're still > taking signups for the open beta at http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php > > I also appreciate the sustained energy of all the "open beta" participants, > who have put the releases through their paces and been the real driving > force behind the steady improvement in quality we've seen over the last five > months. Please keep up the good work! Only with your help can we make 2.9 > truly the version we've all been waiting for, and make Revolution a true joy > to use. > > Bill Marriott > Beta Test Coordinator > bill.marriott(at)runrev.com > > > > > > "TEKNE informatica & comunicazione" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi, > In November 2006 I appreciated the quality project and the Introducing Bill > Marriott with the plan on the 2.7.5 free update. > My enthusiasm was not only about the free update but it was mainly focused > on the quality concept (for example I have bought the RR Studio for Linux > and the RR Enterprise but after several months I didn¹t still have the 2.7.x > Linux version) > After six months I don¹t find a bug free update or a linux update but at > least I expected that the intense job takes to many steps ahead. > So after the announcement of the 2.8.0 final release with vista support I > have decided to upgrade my enterprise licence to 2.8.0 in order to test my > applications under vista. > But after the installation I find several serious bugs. > ... answer dialogs appeare in wrong formats (both in IDE and Standalone > environment) > ... ask dialog wi
Re: version 7.2 vs 8.0
Riccardo, First, thanks for your comments and especially for going ahead and upgrading your license. I see you're a member of the "open beta" test group. I'm curious if you are experiencing the same issues with Beta 5? If so, please take the time to report them in the Quality Center; we really need that data since the next build is due soon and expected to be a release candidate for version 2.8.1. As we've tried to cover in the newsletter and beta test mailings, the 2.7.5 target has been renamed to 2.9. That remains our goal for the free update, the Linux support, and honestly, the quality bar we're aiming for. Some bugs can only be properly addressed by underlying engine work, and since that's tied in with Linux, you won't see some major fixes until that version emerges. Having said that, RunRev engineers have fixed more than 500 bugs since the launch of the open beta program (not all of them appear in Bugzilla). The Altuit externals have been integrated, which greatly enhance the value of the product. Windows Vista, with its new UI, different security scheme, and other changes, is now supported. (I happen to run Vista right now, and while many programs are flaky under that OS, Revolution is not one of them.) I agree that the 2.8.0 release is somewhat controversial. It did have some rough edges. Nevertheless, it is a much better product than 2.7.4. And with Vista shipping, I think it was important to replace what was out there for the benefit of new customers and existing ones alike. Not only that, there were some patches posted within a week of its release by members of this use-rev list to address many of the issues you listed. I give Revolution credit for not simply labeling 2.8.0 as "2.7.5" and calling it a day. They knew more work was necessary and they remain committed to delivering on their promises. My most recent announcement to the beta test list invited everyone to email me directly with their "top five" gripes -- old or new -- still remaining in the product. I'll take this opportunity to again request this from you, so we can pin them down and address them for 2.8.1 and/or 2.9. Actually, any of you reading this now are welcome to email me with your list. And we're still taking signups for the open beta at http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php I also appreciate the sustained energy of all the "open beta" participants, who have put the releases through their paces and been the real driving force behind the steady improvement in quality we've seen over the last five months. Please keep up the good work! Only with your help can we make 2.9 truly the version we've all been waiting for, and make Revolution a true joy to use. Bill Marriott Beta Test Coordinator bill.marriott(at)runrev.com "TEKNE informatica & comunicazione" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, In November 2006 I appreciated the quality project and the Introducing Bill Marriott with the plan on the 2.7.5 free update. My enthusiasm was not only about the free update but it was mainly focused on the quality concept (for example I have bought the RR Studio for Linux and the RR Enterprise but after several months I didn¹t still have the 2.7.x Linux version) After six months I don¹t find a bug free update or a linux update but at least I expected that the intense job takes to many steps ahead. So after the announcement of the 2.8.0 final release with vista support I have decided to upgrade my enterprise licence to 2.8.0 in order to test my applications under vista. But after the installation I find several serious bugs. ... answer dialogs appeare in wrong formats (both in IDE and Standalone environment) ... ask dialog with password doesn¹t work ... ... the dimension of a configuration rev file (password protected) inexplicably and occasionally grows from 3k to 10K and more. I think these problems depend from the 2.8.0 installation, so I try to install again the upgrade both Windows and Mac platform, but ... these are. Finally I throw in the basket the 2.8.0-gm-4 (the Mac manage versions doesn¹t work ) and I return to work ... Perhaps it was better to call the 2.8.0-gm-4 final version 2.8.0-dp4 beta version. -- Riccardo Linzitto TEKNE informatica & comunicazione ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
version 7.2 vs 8.0
Hi, In November 2006 I appreciated the quality project and the Introducing Bill Marriott with the plan on the 2.7.5 free update. My enthusiasm was not only about the free update but it was mainly focused on the quality concept (for example I have bought the RR Studio for Linux and the RR Enterprise but after several months I didn¹t still have the 2.7.x Linux version) After six months I don¹t find a bug free update or a linux update but at least I expected that the intense job takes to many steps ahead. So after the announcement of the 2.8.0 final release with vista support I have decided to upgrade my enterprise licence to 2.8.0 in order to test my applications under vista. But after the installation I find several serious bugs. ... answer dialogs appeare in wrong formats (both in IDE and Standalone environment) ... ask dialog with password doesn¹t work ... ... the dimension of a configuration rev file (password protected) inexplicably and occasionally grows from 3k to 10K and more. I think these problems depend from the 2.8.0 installation, so I try to install again the upgrade both Windows and Mac platform, but ... these are. Finally I throw in the basket the 2.8.0-gm-4 (the Mac manage versions doesn¹t work ) and I return to work ... Perhaps it was better to call the 2.8.0-gm-4 final version 2.8.0-dp4 beta version. -- Riccardo Linzitto TEKNE informatica & comunicazione ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
