Re: YARN High Availability
M > >> address via > >> >> ZooKeeper in this case as well, which means they correctly > >> use the > >> >> same namespace) > >> >> - but the client, which started the YARN session, does not > >> ever submit > >> >> the job to the cluster. > >> >> > >> >> – Ufuk > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Konstantin Knauf > >> >> <konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com > >> <mailto:konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com> > >> <mailto:konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com > >> <mailto:konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com>>> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Hi everyone, > >> >> > > >> >> > we are running in some problems with multiple per-job yarn > >> >> sessions, too. > >> >> > > >> >> > When we are are starting a per-job yarn session (Flink 1.0, > >> Hadoop > >> >> 2.4) > >> >> > with recovery.zookeeper.path.root other than /flink, the > >> yarn session > >> >> > starts but no job is submitted, and after 1 min or so the > >> session > >> >> > crashes. I attached the jobmanager log. > >> >> > > >> >> > In Zookeeper the root-directory is created and child-nodes > >> >> > > >> >> > leaderlatch > >> >> > jobgraphs > >> >> > > >> >> > /flink does also exist, but does not have child nodes. > >> >> > > >> >> > Everything runs fine, with the default > >> recovery.zookeeper.root.path. > >> >> > > >> >> > Does anyone have an idea, what is going on? > >> >> > > >> >> > Cheers, > >> >> > > >> >> > Konstnatin > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 23.11.2015 17:00, Gwenhael Pasquiers wrote: > >> >> >> We are not yet using HA in our cluster instances. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> But yes, we will have to change the zookeeper.path.root J > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We package our jobs with their own config folder (we don’t > >> rely on > >> >> >> flink’s config folder); we can put the maven project name > >> into this > >> >> >> property then they will have different values J > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> *From:*Till Rohrmann [mailto:trohrm...@apache.org > >> <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org> > >> >> <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org>>] > >> >> >> *Sent:* lundi 23 novembre 2015 14:51 > >> >> >> *To:* user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org > > > >> <mailto:user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org>> > >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: YARN High Availability > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The problem is the execution graph handle which is stored > in > >> >> ZooKeeper. > >> >> >> You can manually remove it via the ZooKeeper shell by > >> simply deleting > >> >> >> everything below your `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` > >> ZNode. But you > >> >> >> should be sure that the cluster has been stopped before. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Do you start the different clusters with different > >> >> >> `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` values? If not, then you > should > >>
Re: YARN High Availability
>> wrote: >> >> > Hi everyone, >> >> > >> >> > we are running in some problems with multiple per-job yarn >> >> sessions, too. >> >> > >> >> > When we are are starting a per-job yarn session (Flink 1.0, >> Hadoop >> >> 2.4) >> >> > with recovery.zookeeper.path.root other than /flink, the >> yarn session >> >> > starts but no job is submitted, and after 1 min or so the >> session >> >> > crashes. I attached the jobmanager log. >> >> > >> >> > In Zookeeper the root-directory is created and child-nodes >> >> > >> >> > leaderlatch >> >> > jobgraphs >> >> > >> >> > /flink does also exist, but does not have child nodes. >> >> > >> >> > Everything runs fine, with the default >> recovery.zookeeper.root.path. >> >> > >> >> > Does anyone have an idea, what is going on? >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > >> >> > Konstnatin >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 23.11.2015 17:00, Gwenhael Pasquiers wrote: >> >> >> We are not yet using HA in our cluster instances. >> >> >> >> >> >> But yes, we will have to change the zookeeper.path.root J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We package our jobs with their own config folder (we don’t >> rely on >> >> >> flink’s config folder); we can put the maven project name >> into this >> >> >> property then they will have different values J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*Till Rohrmann [mailto:trohrm...@apache.org >> <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org> >> >> <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org>>] >> >> >> *Sent:* lundi 23 novembre 2015 14:51 >> >> >> *To:* user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org> >> <mailto:user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org>> >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: YARN High Availability >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The problem is the execution graph handle which is stored in >> >> ZooKeeper. >> >> >> You can manually remove it via the ZooKeeper shell by >> simply deleting >> >> >> everything below your `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` >> ZNode. But you >> >> >> should be sure that the cluster has been stopped before. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you start the different clusters with different >> >> >> `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` values? If not, then you should >> >> run into >> >> >> troubles when running multiple clusters at the same time. The >> >> reason is >> >> >> that then all clusters will think that they belong together. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> >> >> Till >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers >> >> >> <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> >> >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>> >> >> >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> >> >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@
Re: YARN High Availability
> >> > > >> > leaderlatch > >> > jobgraphs > >> > > >> > /flink does also exist, but does not have child nodes. > >> > > >> > Everything runs fine, with the default > recovery.zookeeper.root.path. > >> > > >> > Does anyone have an idea, what is going on? > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Konstnatin > >> > > >> > > >> > On 23.11.2015 17:00, Gwenhael Pasquiers wrote: > >> >> We are not yet using HA in our cluster instances. > >> >> > >> >> But yes, we will have to change the zookeeper.path.root J > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> We package our jobs with their own config folder (we don’t > rely on > >> >> flink’s config folder); we can put the maven project name > into this > >> >> property then they will have different values J > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *From:*Till Rohrmann [mailto:trohrm...@apache.org > <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org> > >> <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org>>] > >> >> *Sent:* lundi 23 novembre 2015 14:51 > >> >> *To:* user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org> > <mailto:user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org>> > >> >> *Subject:* Re: YARN High Availability > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The problem is the execution graph handle which is stored in > >> ZooKeeper. > >> >> You can manually remove it via the ZooKeeper shell by > simply deleting > >> >> everything below your `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` > ZNode. But you > >> >> should be sure that the cluster has been stopped before. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Do you start the different clusters with different > >> >> `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` values? If not, then you should > >> run into > >> >> troubles when running multiple clusters at the same time. The > >> reason is > >> >> that then all clusters will think that they belong together. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> > >> >> Till > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers > >> >> <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com > <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> > >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com > <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>> > >> >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com > <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> > >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com > <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>>>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> OK, I understand. > >> >> > >> >> Maybe we are not really using flink as you intended. The > way we are > >> >> using it, one cluster equals one job. That way we are sure > to isolate > >> >> the different jobs as much as possible and in case of > crashes / > >> bugs / > >> >> (etc) can completely kill one cluster without interfering with > >> the other > >> >> jobs. > >> >> > >> >> That future behavior seems good :-) > >> >> > >> >> Instead of the manual flink commands, is there to manually > delete > >> those > >> >> old jobs before launching my job ? They probably are > somewhere in > >> hdfs, > >> >> aren't they ? > >&
Re: YARN High Availability
I've tried reproducing the issue on a test cluster, but everything worked fine. Have you tried different values for "recovery.zookeeper.path.root" or only one? Maybe the path you've put contains invalid data? Regarding the client log you've send: Did you manually stop the client or did it stop after a few minutes? The JobManager stops after a few minutes because the client requested a shutdown. Usually, the client only shuts down on an exception or when the user stops the yarn session. There is no exception in the client log. Was there an exception printed to the shell? This log message: 2016-04-05 08:48:34,912 DEBUG org.apache.flink.yarn.FlinkYarnCluster - Received message option None Should not be an issue. On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org> wrote: > Hey Konstantin, > > just looked at the logs and the cluster is started, but the job is > indeed never submitted. > > I've forwarded this to Robert, because he is familiar with the YARN > client. I will look into how the client interacts with the ZooKeeper > root path. > > – Ufuk > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Konstantin Knauf > <konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com> wrote: > > Hi Ufuk, Hi Stephan, > > > > sorry for the late response Attached the client logs. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Konstantin > > > > On 04.04.2016 21:20, Stephan Ewen wrote: > >> This seems to the the critical part in the logs: > >> > >> 2016-03-31 09:01:52,234 INFO org.apache.flink.yarn.YarnJobManager > >>- Re-submitting 0 job graphs. > >> 2016-03-31 09:02:51,182 INFO org.apache.flink.yarn.YarnJobManager > >>- Stopping YARN JobManager with status FAILED and > >> diagnostic Flink YARN Client requested shutdown. > >> > >> The YarnJobManager starts up properly, but the Client never sends > >> anything, shuts down at some point, and tears down the YARN cluster. > >> > >> Client logs would help a lot there... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org > >> <mailto:u...@apache.org>> wrote: > >> > >> Hey Konstantin, > >> > >> That's weird. Can you please log the client output on DEBUG level > and > >> provide that as well? I'm wondering whether the client uses a > >> different root path. > >> > >> The following seems to happen: > >> - you use ledf_recovery as the root namespace > >> - the task managers are connecting (they resolve the JM address via > >> ZooKeeper in this case as well, which means they correctly use the > >> same namespace) > >> - but the client, which started the YARN session, does not ever > submit > >> the job to the cluster. > >> > >> – Ufuk > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Konstantin Knauf > >> <konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com <mailto:konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com > >> > >> wrote: > >> > Hi everyone, > >> > > >> > we are running in some problems with multiple per-job yarn > >> sessions, too. > >> > > >> > When we are are starting a per-job yarn session (Flink 1.0, Hadoop > >> 2.4) > >> > with recovery.zookeeper.path.root other than /flink, the yarn > session > >> > starts but no job is submitted, and after 1 min or so the session > >> > crashes. I attached the jobmanager log. > >> > > >> > In Zookeeper the root-directory is created and child-nodes > >> > > >> > leaderlatch > >> > jobgraphs > >> > > >> > /flink does also exist, but does not have child nodes. > >> > > >> > Everything runs fine, with the default > recovery.zookeeper.root.path. > >> > > >> > Does anyone have an idea, what is going on? > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Konstnatin > >> > > >> > > >> > On 23.11.2015 17:00, Gwenhael Pasquiers wrote: > >> >> We are not yet using HA in our cluster instances. > >> >> > >> >> But yes, we will have to change the zookeeper.path.root J > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> We package our jobs with their own config folde
Re: YARN High Availability
Hey Konstantin, just looked at the logs and the cluster is started, but the job is indeed never submitted. I've forwarded this to Robert, because he is familiar with the YARN client. I will look into how the client interacts with the ZooKeeper root path. – Ufuk On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Konstantin Knauf <konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com> wrote: > Hi Ufuk, Hi Stephan, > > sorry for the late response Attached the client logs. > > Cheers, > > Konstantin > > On 04.04.2016 21:20, Stephan Ewen wrote: >> This seems to the the critical part in the logs: >> >> 2016-03-31 09:01:52,234 INFO org.apache.flink.yarn.YarnJobManager >>- Re-submitting 0 job graphs. >> 2016-03-31 09:02:51,182 INFO org.apache.flink.yarn.YarnJobManager >>- Stopping YARN JobManager with status FAILED and >> diagnostic Flink YARN Client requested shutdown. >> >> The YarnJobManager starts up properly, but the Client never sends >> anything, shuts down at some point, and tears down the YARN cluster. >> >> Client logs would help a lot there... >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org >> <mailto:u...@apache.org>> wrote: >> >> Hey Konstantin, >> >> That's weird. Can you please log the client output on DEBUG level and >> provide that as well? I'm wondering whether the client uses a >> different root path. >> >> The following seems to happen: >> - you use ledf_recovery as the root namespace >> - the task managers are connecting (they resolve the JM address via >> ZooKeeper in this case as well, which means they correctly use the >> same namespace) >> - but the client, which started the YARN session, does not ever submit >> the job to the cluster. >> >> – Ufuk >> >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Konstantin Knauf >> <konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com <mailto:konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com>> >> wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > we are running in some problems with multiple per-job yarn >> sessions, too. >> > >> > When we are are starting a per-job yarn session (Flink 1.0, Hadoop >> 2.4) >> > with recovery.zookeeper.path.root other than /flink, the yarn session >> > starts but no job is submitted, and after 1 min or so the session >> > crashes. I attached the jobmanager log. >> > >> > In Zookeeper the root-directory is created and child-nodes >> > >> > leaderlatch >> > jobgraphs >> > >> > /flink does also exist, but does not have child nodes. >> > >> > Everything runs fine, with the default recovery.zookeeper.root.path. >> > >> > Does anyone have an idea, what is going on? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Konstnatin >> > >> > >> > On 23.11.2015 17:00, Gwenhael Pasquiers wrote: >> >> We are not yet using HA in our cluster instances. >> >> >> >> But yes, we will have to change the zookeeper.path.root J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We package our jobs with their own config folder (we don’t rely on >> >> flink’s config folder); we can put the maven project name into this >> >> property then they will have different values J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*Till Rohrmann [mailto:trohrm...@apache.org >> <mailto:trohrm...@apache.org>] >> >> *Sent:* lundi 23 novembre 2015 14:51 >> >> *To:* user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org> >> >> *Subject:* Re: YARN High Availability >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The problem is the execution graph handle which is stored in >> ZooKeeper. >> >> You can manually remove it via the ZooKeeper shell by simply deleting >> >> everything below your `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` ZNode. But you >> >> should be sure that the cluster has been stopped before. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you start the different clusters with different >> >> `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` values? If not, then you should >> run into >> >> troubles wh
Re: YARN High Availability
This seems to the the critical part in the logs: 2016-03-31 09:01:52,234 INFO org.apache.flink.yarn.YarnJobManager - Re-submitting 0 job graphs. 2016-03-31 09:02:51,182 INFO org.apache.flink.yarn.YarnJobManager - Stopping YARN JobManager with status FAILED and diagnostic Flink YARN Client requested shutdown. The YarnJobManager starts up properly, but the Client never sends anything, shuts down at some point, and tears down the YARN cluster. Client logs would help a lot there... On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org> wrote: > Hey Konstantin, > > That's weird. Can you please log the client output on DEBUG level and > provide that as well? I'm wondering whether the client uses a > different root path. > > The following seems to happen: > - you use ledf_recovery as the root namespace > - the task managers are connecting (they resolve the JM address via > ZooKeeper in this case as well, which means they correctly use the > same namespace) > - but the client, which started the YARN session, does not ever submit > the job to the cluster. > > – Ufuk > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Konstantin Knauf > <konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > we are running in some problems with multiple per-job yarn sessions, too. > > > > When we are are starting a per-job yarn session (Flink 1.0, Hadoop 2.4) > > with recovery.zookeeper.path.root other than /flink, the yarn session > > starts but no job is submitted, and after 1 min or so the session > > crashes. I attached the jobmanager log. > > > > In Zookeeper the root-directory is created and child-nodes > > > > leaderlatch > > jobgraphs > > > > /flink does also exist, but does not have child nodes. > > > > Everything runs fine, with the default recovery.zookeeper.root.path. > > > > Does anyone have an idea, what is going on? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Konstnatin > > > > > > On 23.11.2015 17:00, Gwenhael Pasquiers wrote: > >> We are not yet using HA in our cluster instances. > >> > >> But yes, we will have to change the zookeeper.path.root J > >> > >> > >> > >> We package our jobs with their own config folder (we don’t rely on > >> flink’s config folder); we can put the maven project name into this > >> property then they will have different values J > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:*Till Rohrmann [mailto:trohrm...@apache.org] > >> *Sent:* lundi 23 novembre 2015 14:51 > >> *To:* user@flink.apache.org > >> *Subject:* Re: YARN High Availability > >> > >> > >> > >> The problem is the execution graph handle which is stored in ZooKeeper. > >> You can manually remove it via the ZooKeeper shell by simply deleting > >> everything below your `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` ZNode. But you > >> should be sure that the cluster has been stopped before. > >> > >> > >> > >> Do you start the different clusters with different > >> `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` values? If not, then you should run into > >> troubles when running multiple clusters at the same time. The reason is > >> that then all clusters will think that they belong together. > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Till > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers > >> <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com > >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>> wrote: > >> > >> OK, I understand. > >> > >> Maybe we are not really using flink as you intended. The way we are > >> using it, one cluster equals one job. That way we are sure to isolate > >> the different jobs as much as possible and in case of crashes / bugs / > >> (etc) can completely kill one cluster without interfering with the other > >> jobs. > >> > >> That future behavior seems good :-) > >> > >> Instead of the manual flink commands, is there to manually delete those > >> old jobs before launching my job ? They probably are somewhere in hdfs, > >> aren't they ? > >> > >> B.R. > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Ufuk Celebi [mailto:u...@apache.org <mailto:u...@apache.org>] > >> Sent: lundi 23 novembre 2015 12:12 > >> To: user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org> > >> Subject: Re
Re: YARN High Availability
Hey Konstantin, That's weird. Can you please log the client output on DEBUG level and provide that as well? I'm wondering whether the client uses a different root path. The following seems to happen: - you use ledf_recovery as the root namespace - the task managers are connecting (they resolve the JM address via ZooKeeper in this case as well, which means they correctly use the same namespace) - but the client, which started the YARN session, does not ever submit the job to the cluster. – Ufuk On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Konstantin Knauf <konstantin.kn...@tngtech.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > we are running in some problems with multiple per-job yarn sessions, too. > > When we are are starting a per-job yarn session (Flink 1.0, Hadoop 2.4) > with recovery.zookeeper.path.root other than /flink, the yarn session > starts but no job is submitted, and after 1 min or so the session > crashes. I attached the jobmanager log. > > In Zookeeper the root-directory is created and child-nodes > > leaderlatch > jobgraphs > > /flink does also exist, but does not have child nodes. > > Everything runs fine, with the default recovery.zookeeper.root.path. > > Does anyone have an idea, what is going on? > > Cheers, > > Konstnatin > > > On 23.11.2015 17:00, Gwenhael Pasquiers wrote: >> We are not yet using HA in our cluster instances. >> >> But yes, we will have to change the zookeeper.path.root J >> >> >> >> We package our jobs with their own config folder (we don’t rely on >> flink’s config folder); we can put the maven project name into this >> property then they will have different values J >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*Till Rohrmann [mailto:trohrm...@apache.org] >> *Sent:* lundi 23 novembre 2015 14:51 >> *To:* user@flink.apache.org >> *Subject:* Re: YARN High Availability >> >> >> >> The problem is the execution graph handle which is stored in ZooKeeper. >> You can manually remove it via the ZooKeeper shell by simply deleting >> everything below your `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` ZNode. But you >> should be sure that the cluster has been stopped before. >> >> >> >> Do you start the different clusters with different >> `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` values? If not, then you should run into >> troubles when running multiple clusters at the same time. The reason is >> that then all clusters will think that they belong together. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Till >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers >> <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>> wrote: >> >> OK, I understand. >> >> Maybe we are not really using flink as you intended. The way we are >> using it, one cluster equals one job. That way we are sure to isolate >> the different jobs as much as possible and in case of crashes / bugs / >> (etc) can completely kill one cluster without interfering with the other >> jobs. >> >> That future behavior seems good :-) >> >> Instead of the manual flink commands, is there to manually delete those >> old jobs before launching my job ? They probably are somewhere in hdfs, >> aren't they ? >> >> B.R. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Ufuk Celebi [mailto:u...@apache.org <mailto:u...@apache.org>] >> Sent: lundi 23 novembre 2015 12:12 >> To: user@flink.apache.org <mailto:user@flink.apache.org> >> Subject: Re: YARN High Availability >> >> Hey Gwenhaël, >> >> the restarting jobs are most likely old job submissions. They are not >> cleaned up when you shut down the cluster, but only when they finish >> (either regular finish or after cancelling). >> >> The workaround is to use the command line frontend: >> >> bin/flink cancel JOBID >> >> for each RESTARTING job. Sorry about the inconvenience! >> >> We are in an active discussion about addressing this. The future >> behaviour will be that the startup or shutdown of a cluster cleans up >> everything and an option to skip this step. >> >> The reasoning for the initial solution (not removing anything) was to >> make sure that no jobs are deleted by accident. But it looks like this >> is more confusing than helpful. >> >> – Ufuk >> >>> On 23 Nov 2015, at 11:45, Gwenhael Pasquiers >> <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com >> <mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi again ! >>> >>> On the same to
Re: YARN High Availability
Hey Gwenhaël, the restarting jobs are most likely old job submissions. They are not cleaned up when you shut down the cluster, but only when they finish (either regular finish or after cancelling). The workaround is to use the command line frontend: bin/flink cancel JOBID for each RESTARTING job. Sorry about the inconvenience! We are in an active discussion about addressing this. The future behaviour will be that the startup or shutdown of a cluster cleans up everything and an option to skip this step. The reasoning for the initial solution (not removing anything) was to make sure that no jobs are deleted by accident. But it looks like this is more confusing than helpful. – Ufuk > On 23 Nov 2015, at 11:45, Gwenhael Pasquiers > <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Hi again ! > > On the same topic I'm still trying to start my streaming job with HA. > The HA part seems to be more or less OK (I killed the JobManager and it came > back), however I have an issue with the TaskManagers. > I configured my job to have only one TaskManager and 1 slot that does > [source=>map=>sink]. > The issue I'm encountering is that other instances of my job appear and are > in the RESTARTING status since there is only one task slot. > > Do you know of this, or have an idea of where to look in order to understand > what's happening ? > > B.R. > > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS > > -Original Message- > From: Maximilian Michels [mailto:m...@apache.org] > Sent: jeudi 19 novembre 2015 13:36 > To: user@flink.apache.org > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability > > The docs have been updated. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org> wrote: >> I’ve added a note about this to the docs and asked Max to trigger a new >> build of them. >> >> Regarding Aljoscha’s idea: I like it. It is essentially a shortcut for >> configuring the root path. >> >> In any case, it is orthogonal to Till’s proposals. That one we need to >> address as well (see FLINK-2929). The motivation for the current behaviour >> was to be rather defensive when removing state in order to not loose data >> accidentally. But it can be confusing, indeed. >> >> – Ufuk >> >>> On 19 Nov 2015, at 12:08, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> You mean an additional start-up parameter for the `start-cluster.sh` script >>> for the HA case? That could work. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>> Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is used >>> to make the paths unique. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >>> I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it entails >>> also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the logs if he >>> wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or intentionally >>> restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up old checkpoint >>> and job handles in case that the cluster stop was intentional. >>> >>> Thus, the question is how do we define the behaviour in order to retrieve >>> handles and to clean up old handles so that ZooKeeper won't be cluttered >>> with old handles? >>> >>> There are basically two modes: >>> >>> 1. Keep state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a mean to >>> define a fixed path when starting the cluster and also a mean to purge old >>> state handles. Furthermore, add a shutdown mode where the handles under the >>> current path are directly removed. This mode would guarantee to always have >>> the state handles available if not explicitly told differently. However, >>> the downside is that ZooKeeper will be cluttered most certainly. >>> >>> 2. Remove the state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a >>> shutdown mode where we keep the state handles. This will keep ZooKeeper >>> clean but will give you also the possibility to keep a checkpoint around if >>> necessary. However, the user is more likely to lose his state when shutting >>> down the cluster. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>> I agree with Aljoscha. Many companies install Flink (and its config) in a >>> central directory and users share that installation. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <
RE: YARN High Availability
OK, I understand. Maybe we are not really using flink as you intended. The way we are using it, one cluster equals one job. That way we are sure to isolate the different jobs as much as possible and in case of crashes / bugs / (etc) can completely kill one cluster without interfering with the other jobs. That future behavior seems good :-) Instead of the manual flink commands, is there to manually delete those old jobs before launching my job ? They probably are somewhere in hdfs, aren't they ? B.R. -Original Message- From: Ufuk Celebi [mailto:u...@apache.org] Sent: lundi 23 novembre 2015 12:12 To: user@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: YARN High Availability Hey Gwenhaël, the restarting jobs are most likely old job submissions. They are not cleaned up when you shut down the cluster, but only when they finish (either regular finish or after cancelling). The workaround is to use the command line frontend: bin/flink cancel JOBID for each RESTARTING job. Sorry about the inconvenience! We are in an active discussion about addressing this. The future behaviour will be that the startup or shutdown of a cluster cleans up everything and an option to skip this step. The reasoning for the initial solution (not removing anything) was to make sure that no jobs are deleted by accident. But it looks like this is more confusing than helpful. – Ufuk > On 23 Nov 2015, at 11:45, Gwenhael Pasquiers > <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Hi again ! > > On the same topic I'm still trying to start my streaming job with HA. > The HA part seems to be more or less OK (I killed the JobManager and it came > back), however I have an issue with the TaskManagers. > I configured my job to have only one TaskManager and 1 slot that does > [source=>map=>sink]. > The issue I'm encountering is that other instances of my job appear and are > in the RESTARTING status since there is only one task slot. > > Do you know of this, or have an idea of where to look in order to understand > what's happening ? > > B.R. > > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS > > -Original Message- > From: Maximilian Michels [mailto:m...@apache.org] > Sent: jeudi 19 novembre 2015 13:36 > To: user@flink.apache.org > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability > > The docs have been updated. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org> wrote: >> I’ve added a note about this to the docs and asked Max to trigger a new >> build of them. >> >> Regarding Aljoscha’s idea: I like it. It is essentially a shortcut for >> configuring the root path. >> >> In any case, it is orthogonal to Till’s proposals. That one we need to >> address as well (see FLINK-2929). The motivation for the current behaviour >> was to be rather defensive when removing state in order to not loose data >> accidentally. But it can be confusing, indeed. >> >> – Ufuk >> >>> On 19 Nov 2015, at 12:08, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> You mean an additional start-up parameter for the `start-cluster.sh` script >>> for the HA case? That could work. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>> Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is used >>> to make the paths unique. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >>> I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it entails >>> also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the logs if he >>> wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or intentionally >>> restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up old checkpoint >>> and job handles in case that the cluster stop was intentional. >>> >>> Thus, the question is how do we define the behaviour in order to retrieve >>> handles and to clean up old handles so that ZooKeeper won't be cluttered >>> with old handles? >>> >>> There are basically two modes: >>> >>> 1. Keep state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a mean to >>> define a fixed path when starting the cluster and also a mean to purge old >>> state handles. Furthermore, add a shutdown mode where the handles under the >>> current path are directly removed. This mode would guarantee to always have >>> the state handles available if not explicitly told differently. However, >>> the downside is that ZooKeeper will be cluttered most certainly. >>> >>> 2. Remove the state handles when shutting down the
Re: YARN High Availability
The problem is the execution graph handle which is stored in ZooKeeper. You can manually remove it via the ZooKeeper shell by simply deleting everything below your `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` ZNode. But you should be sure that the cluster has been stopped before. Do you start the different clusters with different `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` values? If not, then you should run into troubles when running multiple clusters at the same time. The reason is that then all clusters will think that they belong together. Cheers, Till On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers < gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > OK, I understand. > > Maybe we are not really using flink as you intended. The way we are using > it, one cluster equals one job. That way we are sure to isolate the > different jobs as much as possible and in case of crashes / bugs / (etc) > can completely kill one cluster without interfering with the other jobs. > > That future behavior seems good :-) > > Instead of the manual flink commands, is there to manually delete those > old jobs before launching my job ? They probably are somewhere in hdfs, > aren't they ? > > B.R. > > > -Original Message- > From: Ufuk Celebi [mailto:u...@apache.org] > Sent: lundi 23 novembre 2015 12:12 > To: user@flink.apache.org > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability > > Hey Gwenhaël, > > the restarting jobs are most likely old job submissions. They are not > cleaned up when you shut down the cluster, but only when they finish > (either regular finish or after cancelling). > > The workaround is to use the command line frontend: > > bin/flink cancel JOBID > > for each RESTARTING job. Sorry about the inconvenience! > > We are in an active discussion about addressing this. The future behaviour > will be that the startup or shutdown of a cluster cleans up everything and > an option to skip this step. > > The reasoning for the initial solution (not removing anything) was to make > sure that no jobs are deleted by accident. But it looks like this is more > confusing than helpful. > > – Ufuk > > > On 23 Nov 2015, at 11:45, Gwenhael Pasquiers < > gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > > > > Hi again ! > > > > On the same topic I'm still trying to start my streaming job with HA. > > The HA part seems to be more or less OK (I killed the JobManager and it > came back), however I have an issue with the TaskManagers. > > I configured my job to have only one TaskManager and 1 slot that does > [source=>map=>sink]. > > The issue I'm encountering is that other instances of my job appear and > are in the RESTARTING status since there is only one task slot. > > > > Do you know of this, or have an idea of where to look in order to > understand what's happening ? > > > > B.R. > > > > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Maximilian Michels [mailto:m...@apache.org] > > Sent: jeudi 19 novembre 2015 13:36 > > To: user@flink.apache.org > > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability > > > > The docs have been updated. > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org> wrote: > >> I’ve added a note about this to the docs and asked Max to trigger a new > build of them. > >> > >> Regarding Aljoscha’s idea: I like it. It is essentially a shortcut for > configuring the root path. > >> > >> In any case, it is orthogonal to Till’s proposals. That one we need to > address as well (see FLINK-2929). The motivation for the current behaviour > was to be rather defensive when removing state in order to not loose data > accidentally. But it can be confusing, indeed. > >> > >> – Ufuk > >> > >>> On 19 Nov 2015, at 12:08, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> You mean an additional start-up parameter for the `start-cluster.sh` > script for the HA case? That could work. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Aljoscha Krettek < > aljos...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is > used to make the paths unique. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> > wrote: > >>> I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it > entails also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the > logs if he wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or > intentionally restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up > old checkpoint and job ha
RE: YARN High Availability
We are not yet using HA in our cluster instances. But yes, we will have to change the zookeeper.path.root ☺ We package our jobs with their own config folder (we don’t rely on flink’s config folder); we can put the maven project name into this property then they will have different values ☺ From: Till Rohrmann [mailto:trohrm...@apache.org] Sent: lundi 23 novembre 2015 14:51 To: user@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: YARN High Availability The problem is the execution graph handle which is stored in ZooKeeper. You can manually remove it via the ZooKeeper shell by simply deleting everything below your `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` ZNode. But you should be sure that the cluster has been stopped before. Do you start the different clusters with different `recovery.zookeeper.path.root` values? If not, then you should run into troubles when running multiple clusters at the same time. The reason is that then all clusters will think that they belong together. Cheers, Till On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com<mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>> wrote: OK, I understand. Maybe we are not really using flink as you intended. The way we are using it, one cluster equals one job. That way we are sure to isolate the different jobs as much as possible and in case of crashes / bugs / (etc) can completely kill one cluster without interfering with the other jobs. That future behavior seems good :-) Instead of the manual flink commands, is there to manually delete those old jobs before launching my job ? They probably are somewhere in hdfs, aren't they ? B.R. -Original Message- From: Ufuk Celebi [mailto:u...@apache.org<mailto:u...@apache.org>] Sent: lundi 23 novembre 2015 12:12 To: user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org> Subject: Re: YARN High Availability Hey Gwenhaël, the restarting jobs are most likely old job submissions. They are not cleaned up when you shut down the cluster, but only when they finish (either regular finish or after cancelling). The workaround is to use the command line frontend: bin/flink cancel JOBID for each RESTARTING job. Sorry about the inconvenience! We are in an active discussion about addressing this. The future behaviour will be that the startup or shutdown of a cluster cleans up everything and an option to skip this step. The reasoning for the initial solution (not removing anything) was to make sure that no jobs are deleted by accident. But it looks like this is more confusing than helpful. – Ufuk > On 23 Nov 2015, at 11:45, Gwenhael Pasquiers > <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com<mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>> > wrote: > > Hi again ! > > On the same topic I'm still trying to start my streaming job with HA. > The HA part seems to be more or less OK (I killed the JobManager and it came > back), however I have an issue with the TaskManagers. > I configured my job to have only one TaskManager and 1 slot that does > [source=>map=>sink]. > The issue I'm encountering is that other instances of my job appear and are > in the RESTARTING status since there is only one task slot. > > Do you know of this, or have an idea of where to look in order to understand > what's happening ? > > B.R. > > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS > > -Original Message- > From: Maximilian Michels [mailto:m...@apache.org<mailto:m...@apache.org>] > Sent: jeudi 19 novembre 2015 13:36 > To: user@flink.apache.org<mailto:user@flink.apache.org> > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability > > The docs have been updated. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Ufuk Celebi > <u...@apache.org<mailto:u...@apache.org>> wrote: >> I’ve added a note about this to the docs and asked Max to trigger a new >> build of them. >> >> Regarding Aljoscha’s idea: I like it. It is essentially a shortcut for >> configuring the root path. >> >> In any case, it is orthogonal to Till’s proposals. That one we need to >> address as well (see FLINK-2929). The motivation for the current behaviour >> was to be rather defensive when removing state in order to not loose data >> accidentally. But it can be confusing, indeed. >> >> – Ufuk >> >>> On 19 Nov 2015, at 12:08, Till Rohrmann >>> <trohrm...@apache.org<mailto:trohrm...@apache.org>> wrote: >>> >>> You mean an additional start-up parameter for the `start-cluster.sh` script >>> for the HA case? That could work. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Aljoscha Krettek >>> <aljos...@apache.org<mailto:aljos...@apache.org>> wrote: >>> Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is used >>> to make the paths unique. >>> &
Re: YARN High Availability
I agree with Aljoscha. Many companies install Flink (and its config) in a central directory and users share that installation. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> wrote: > I think we should find a way to randomize the paths where the HA stuff > stores data. If users don’t realize that they store data in the same paths > this could lead to problems. > > > On 19 Nov 2015, at 08:50, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Gwenhaël, > > > > good to hear that you could resolve the problem. > > > > When you run multiple HA flink jobs in the same cluster, then you don’t > have to adjust the configuration of Flink. It should work out of the box. > > > > However, if you run multiple HA Flink cluster, then you have to set for > each cluster a distinct ZooKeeper root path via the option > recovery.zookeeper.path.root in the Flink configuraiton. This is necessary > because otherwise all JobManagers (the ones of the different clusters) will > compete for a single leadership. Furthermore, all TaskManagers will only > see the one and only leader and connect to it. The reason is that the > TaskManagers will look up their leader at a ZNode below the ZooKeeper root > path. > > > > If you have other questions then don’t hesitate asking me. > > > > Cheers, > > Till > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers < > gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Nevermind, > > > > > > > > Looking at the logs I saw that it was having issues trying to connect to > ZK. > > > > To make I short is had the wrong port. > > > > > > > > It is now starting. > > > > > > > > Tomorrow I’ll try to kill some JobManagers *evil*. > > > > > > > > Another question : if I have multiple HA flink jobs, are there some > points to check in order to be sure that they won’t collide on hdfs or ZK ? > > > > > > > > B.R. > > > > > > > > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS > > > > > > > > From: Till Rohrmann [mailto:till.rohrm...@gmail.com] > > Sent: mercredi 18 novembre 2015 18:01 > > To: user@flink.apache.org > > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability > > > > > > > > Hi Gwenhaël, > > > > > > > > do you have access to the yarn logs? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Till > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers < > gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > We’re trying to set up high availability using an existing zookeeper > quorum already running in our Cloudera cluster. > > > > > > > > So, as per the doc we’ve changed the max attempt in yarn’s config as > well as the flink.yaml. > > > > > > > > recovery.mode: zookeeper > > > > recovery.zookeeper.quorum: host1:3181,host2:3181,host3:3181 > > > > state.backend: filesystem > > > > state.backend.fs.checkpointdir: hdfs:///flink/checkpoints > > > > recovery.zookeeper.storageDir: hdfs:///flink/recovery/ > > > > yarn.application-attempts: 1000 > > > > > > > > Everything is ok as long as recovery.mode is commented. > > > > As soon as I uncomment recovery.mode the deployment on yarn is stuck on : > > > > > > > > “Deploying cluster, current state ACCEPTED”. > > > > “Deployment took more than 60 seconds….” > > > > Every second. > > > > > > > > And I have more than enough resources available on my yarn cluster. > > > > > > > > Do you have any idea of what could cause this, and/or what logs I should > look for in order to understand ? > > > > > > > > B.R. > > > > > > > > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS > > > > > > > > > >
Re: YARN High Availability
Yes, that’s what I meant. > On 19 Nov 2015, at 12:08, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > > You mean an additional start-up parameter for the `start-cluster.sh` script > for the HA case? That could work. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> > wrote: > Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is used to > make the paths unique. > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it entails > also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the logs if he > wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or intentionally > restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up old checkpoint > and job handles in case that the cluster stop was intentional. > > Thus, the question is how do we define the behaviour in order to retrieve > handles and to clean up old handles so that ZooKeeper won't be cluttered with > old handles? > > There are basically two modes: > > 1. Keep state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a mean to > define a fixed path when starting the cluster and also a mean to purge old > state handles. Furthermore, add a shutdown mode where the handles under the > current path are directly removed. This mode would guarantee to always have > the state handles available if not explicitly told differently. However, the > downside is that ZooKeeper will be cluttered most certainly. > > 2. Remove the state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a > shutdown mode where we keep the state handles. This will keep ZooKeeper clean > but will give you also the possibility to keep a checkpoint around if > necessary. However, the user is more likely to lose his state when shutting > down the cluster. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> wrote: > I agree with Aljoscha. Many companies install Flink (and its config) in a > central directory and users share that installation. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> > wrote: > I think we should find a way to randomize the paths where the HA stuff stores > data. If users don’t realize that they store data in the same paths this > could lead to problems. > > > On 19 Nov 2015, at 08:50, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Gwenhaël, > > > > good to hear that you could resolve the problem. > > > > When you run multiple HA flink jobs in the same cluster, then you don’t > > have to adjust the configuration of Flink. It should work out of the box. > > > > However, if you run multiple HA Flink cluster, then you have to set for > > each cluster a distinct ZooKeeper root path via the option > > recovery.zookeeper.path.root in the Flink configuraiton. This is necessary > > because otherwise all JobManagers (the ones of the different clusters) will > > compete for a single leadership. Furthermore, all TaskManagers will only > > see the one and only leader and connect to it. The reason is that the > > TaskManagers will look up their leader at a ZNode below the ZooKeeper root > > path. > > > > If you have other questions then don’t hesitate asking me. > > > > Cheers, > > Till > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers > > <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Nevermind, > > > > > > > > Looking at the logs I saw that it was having issues trying to connect to ZK. > > > > To make I short is had the wrong port. > > > > > > > > It is now starting. > > > > > > > > Tomorrow I’ll try to kill some JobManagers *evil*. > > > > > > > > Another question : if I have multiple HA flink jobs, are there some points > > to check in order to be sure that they won’t collide on hdfs or ZK ? > > > > > > > > B.R. > > > > > > > > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS > > > > > > > > From: Till Rohrmann [mailto:till.rohrm...@gmail.com] > > Sent: mercredi 18 novembre 2015 18:01 > > To: user@flink.apache.org > > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability > > > > > > > > Hi Gwenhaël, > > > > > > > > do you have access to the yarn logs? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Till > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers > > <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > > &g
Re: YARN High Availability
The docs have been updated. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org> wrote: > I’ve added a note about this to the docs and asked Max to trigger a new build > of them. > > Regarding Aljoscha’s idea: I like it. It is essentially a shortcut for > configuring the root path. > > In any case, it is orthogonal to Till’s proposals. That one we need to > address as well (see FLINK-2929). The motivation for the current behaviour > was to be rather defensive when removing state in order to not loose data > accidentally. But it can be confusing, indeed. > > – Ufuk > >> On 19 Nov 2015, at 12:08, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> You mean an additional start-up parameter for the `start-cluster.sh` script >> for the HA case? That could work. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is used >> to make the paths unique. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >> I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it entails >> also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the logs if he >> wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or intentionally >> restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up old checkpoint >> and job handles in case that the cluster stop was intentional. >> >> Thus, the question is how do we define the behaviour in order to retrieve >> handles and to clean up old handles so that ZooKeeper won't be cluttered >> with old handles? >> >> There are basically two modes: >> >> 1. Keep state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a mean to >> define a fixed path when starting the cluster and also a mean to purge old >> state handles. Furthermore, add a shutdown mode where the handles under the >> current path are directly removed. This mode would guarantee to always have >> the state handles available if not explicitly told differently. However, the >> downside is that ZooKeeper will be cluttered most certainly. >> >> 2. Remove the state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a >> shutdown mode where we keep the state handles. This will keep ZooKeeper >> clean but will give you also the possibility to keep a checkpoint around if >> necessary. However, the user is more likely to lose his state when shutting >> down the cluster. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> wrote: >> I agree with Aljoscha. Many companies install Flink (and its config) in a >> central directory and users share that installation. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> I think we should find a way to randomize the paths where the HA stuff >> stores data. If users don’t realize that they store data in the same paths >> this could lead to problems. >> >> > On 19 Nov 2015, at 08:50, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Gwenhaël, >> > >> > good to hear that you could resolve the problem. >> > >> > When you run multiple HA flink jobs in the same cluster, then you don’t >> > have to adjust the configuration of Flink. It should work out of the box. >> > >> > However, if you run multiple HA Flink cluster, then you have to set for >> > each cluster a distinct ZooKeeper root path via the option >> > recovery.zookeeper.path.root in the Flink configuraiton. This is necessary >> > because otherwise all JobManagers (the ones of the different clusters) >> > will compete for a single leadership. Furthermore, all TaskManagers will >> > only see the one and only leader and connect to it. The reason is that the >> > TaskManagers will look up their leader at a ZNode below the ZooKeeper root >> > path. >> > >> > If you have other questions then don’t hesitate asking me. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Till >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers >> > <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: >> > Nevermind, >> > >> > >> > >> > Looking at the logs I saw that it was having issues trying to connect to >> > ZK. >> > >> > To make I short is had the wrong port. >> > >> > >> > >> > It is now starting. >> > >> > >
Re: YARN High Availability
I’ve added a note about this to the docs and asked Max to trigger a new build of them. Regarding Aljoscha’s idea: I like it. It is essentially a shortcut for configuring the root path. In any case, it is orthogonal to Till’s proposals. That one we need to address as well (see FLINK-2929). The motivation for the current behaviour was to be rather defensive when removing state in order to not loose data accidentally. But it can be confusing, indeed. – Ufuk > On 19 Nov 2015, at 12:08, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > > You mean an additional start-up parameter for the `start-cluster.sh` script > for the HA case? That could work. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> > wrote: > Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is used to > make the paths unique. > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it entails > also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the logs if he > wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or intentionally > restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up old checkpoint > and job handles in case that the cluster stop was intentional. > > Thus, the question is how do we define the behaviour in order to retrieve > handles and to clean up old handles so that ZooKeeper won't be cluttered with > old handles? > > There are basically two modes: > > 1. Keep state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a mean to > define a fixed path when starting the cluster and also a mean to purge old > state handles. Furthermore, add a shutdown mode where the handles under the > current path are directly removed. This mode would guarantee to always have > the state handles available if not explicitly told differently. However, the > downside is that ZooKeeper will be cluttered most certainly. > > 2. Remove the state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a > shutdown mode where we keep the state handles. This will keep ZooKeeper clean > but will give you also the possibility to keep a checkpoint around if > necessary. However, the user is more likely to lose his state when shutting > down the cluster. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> wrote: > I agree with Aljoscha. Many companies install Flink (and its config) in a > central directory and users share that installation. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> > wrote: > I think we should find a way to randomize the paths where the HA stuff stores > data. If users don’t realize that they store data in the same paths this > could lead to problems. > > > On 19 Nov 2015, at 08:50, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Gwenhaël, > > > > good to hear that you could resolve the problem. > > > > When you run multiple HA flink jobs in the same cluster, then you don’t > > have to adjust the configuration of Flink. It should work out of the box. > > > > However, if you run multiple HA Flink cluster, then you have to set for > > each cluster a distinct ZooKeeper root path via the option > > recovery.zookeeper.path.root in the Flink configuraiton. This is necessary > > because otherwise all JobManagers (the ones of the different clusters) will > > compete for a single leadership. Furthermore, all TaskManagers will only > > see the one and only leader and connect to it. The reason is that the > > TaskManagers will look up their leader at a ZNode below the ZooKeeper root > > path. > > > > If you have other questions then don’t hesitate asking me. > > > > Cheers, > > Till > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers > > <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Nevermind, > > > > > > > > Looking at the logs I saw that it was having issues trying to connect to ZK. > > > > To make I short is had the wrong port. > > > > > > > > It is now starting. > > > > > > > > Tomorrow I’ll try to kill some JobManagers *evil*. > > > > > > > > Another question : if I have multiple HA flink jobs, are there some points > > to check in order to be sure that they won’t collide on hdfs or ZK ? > > > > > > > > B.R. > > > > > > > > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS > > > > > > > > From: Till Rohrmann [mailto:till.rohrm...@gmail.com] > > Sent: mercredi 18 novembre 2015 18:01 > >
Re: YARN High Availability
You mean an additional start-up parameter for the `start-cluster.sh` script for the HA case? That could work. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> wrote: > Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is used > to make the paths unique. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > >> I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it >> entails also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the >> logs if he wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or >> intentionally restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up >> old checkpoint and job handles in case that the cluster stop was >> intentional. >> >> Thus, the question is how do we define the behaviour in order to retrieve >> handles and to clean up old handles so that ZooKeeper won't be cluttered >> with old handles? >> >> There are basically two modes: >> >> 1. Keep state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a mean to >> define a fixed path when starting the cluster and also a mean to purge old >> state handles. Furthermore, add a shutdown mode where the handles under the >> current path are directly removed. This mode would guarantee to always have >> the state handles available if not explicitly told differently. However, >> the downside is that ZooKeeper will be cluttered most certainly. >> >> 2. Remove the state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a >> shutdown mode where we keep the state handles. This will keep ZooKeeper >> clean but will give you also the possibility to keep a checkpoint around if >> necessary. However, the user is more likely to lose his state when shutting >> down the cluster. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I agree with Aljoscha. Many companies install Flink (and its config) in >>> a central directory and users share that installation. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think we should find a way to randomize the paths where the HA stuff >>>> stores data. If users don’t realize that they store data in the same paths >>>> this could lead to problems. >>>> >>>> > On 19 Nov 2015, at 08:50, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hi Gwenhaël, >>>> > >>>> > good to hear that you could resolve the problem. >>>> > >>>> > When you run multiple HA flink jobs in the same cluster, then you >>>> don’t have to adjust the configuration of Flink. It should work out of the >>>> box. >>>> > >>>> > However, if you run multiple HA Flink cluster, then you have to set >>>> for each cluster a distinct ZooKeeper root path via the option >>>> recovery.zookeeper.path.root in the Flink configuraiton. This is necessary >>>> because otherwise all JobManagers (the ones of the different clusters) will >>>> compete for a single leadership. Furthermore, all TaskManagers will only >>>> see the one and only leader and connect to it. The reason is that the >>>> TaskManagers will look up their leader at a ZNode below the ZooKeeper root >>>> path. >>>> > >>>> > If you have other questions then don’t hesitate asking me. >>>> > >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > Till >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers < >>>> gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: >>>> > Nevermind, >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Looking at the logs I saw that it was having issues trying to connect >>>> to ZK. >>>> > >>>> > To make I short is had the wrong port. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > It is now starting. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Tomorrow I’ll try to kill some JobManagers *evil*. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Another question : if I have multiple HA flink jobs, are there some >>>> points to check in order to be sure that they won’t collide on hdfs or ZK ? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > B.R. &
Re: YARN High Availability
I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it entails also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the logs if he wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or intentionally restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up old checkpoint and job handles in case that the cluster stop was intentional. Thus, the question is how do we define the behaviour in order to retrieve handles and to clean up old handles so that ZooKeeper won't be cluttered with old handles? There are basically two modes: 1. Keep state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a mean to define a fixed path when starting the cluster and also a mean to purge old state handles. Furthermore, add a shutdown mode where the handles under the current path are directly removed. This mode would guarantee to always have the state handles available if not explicitly told differently. However, the downside is that ZooKeeper will be cluttered most certainly. 2. Remove the state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a shutdown mode where we keep the state handles. This will keep ZooKeeper clean but will give you also the possibility to keep a checkpoint around if necessary. However, the user is more likely to lose his state when shutting down the cluster. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> wrote: > I agree with Aljoscha. Many companies install Flink (and its config) in a > central directory and users share that installation. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> I think we should find a way to randomize the paths where the HA stuff >> stores data. If users don’t realize that they store data in the same paths >> this could lead to problems. >> >> > On 19 Nov 2015, at 08:50, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Gwenhaël, >> > >> > good to hear that you could resolve the problem. >> > >> > When you run multiple HA flink jobs in the same cluster, then you don’t >> have to adjust the configuration of Flink. It should work out of the box. >> > >> > However, if you run multiple HA Flink cluster, then you have to set for >> each cluster a distinct ZooKeeper root path via the option >> recovery.zookeeper.path.root in the Flink configuraiton. This is necessary >> because otherwise all JobManagers (the ones of the different clusters) will >> compete for a single leadership. Furthermore, all TaskManagers will only >> see the one and only leader and connect to it. The reason is that the >> TaskManagers will look up their leader at a ZNode below the ZooKeeper root >> path. >> > >> > If you have other questions then don’t hesitate asking me. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Till >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers < >> gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: >> > Nevermind, >> > >> > >> > >> > Looking at the logs I saw that it was having issues trying to connect >> to ZK. >> > >> > To make I short is had the wrong port. >> > >> > >> > >> > It is now starting. >> > >> > >> > >> > Tomorrow I’ll try to kill some JobManagers *evil*. >> > >> > >> > >> > Another question : if I have multiple HA flink jobs, are there some >> points to check in order to be sure that they won’t collide on hdfs or ZK ? >> > >> > >> > >> > B.R. >> > >> > >> > >> > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Till Rohrmann [mailto:till.rohrm...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: mercredi 18 novembre 2015 18:01 >> > To: user@flink.apache.org >> > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Gwenhaël, >> > >> > >> > >> > do you have access to the yarn logs? >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Till >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers < >> gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > >> > >> > We’re trying to set up high availability using an existing zookeeper >> quorum already running in our Cloudera cluster. >> > >> > >> > >> > So, as per the doc we’ve changed the max attempt in yarn’s config as >> well as the flink.yaml. >> > >> > >> > >> > recovery.mode: zookeeper >> > >> > recovery.zookeeper.quorum: host1:3181,host2:3181,host3:3181 >> > >> > state.backend: filesystem >> > >> > state.backend.fs.checkpointdir: hdfs:///flink/checkpoints >> > >> > recovery.zookeeper.storageDir: hdfs:///flink/recovery/ >> > >> > yarn.application-attempts: 1000 >> > >> > >> > >> > Everything is ok as long as recovery.mode is commented. >> > >> > As soon as I uncomment recovery.mode the deployment on yarn is stuck on >> : >> > >> > >> > >> > “Deploying cluster, current state ACCEPTED”. >> > >> > “Deployment took more than 60 seconds….” >> > >> > Every second. >> > >> > >> > >> > And I have more than enough resources available on my yarn cluster. >> > >> > >> > >> > Do you have any idea of what could cause this, and/or what logs I >> should look for in order to understand ? >> > >> > >> > >> > B.R. >> > >> > >> > >> > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >
Re: YARN High Availability
Maybe we could add a user parameter to specify a cluster name that is used to make the paths unique. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, 11:24 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: > I agree that this would make the configuration easier. However, it entails > also that the user has to retrieve the randomized path from the logs if he > wants to restart jobs after the cluster has crashed or intentionally > restarted. Furthermore, the system won't be able to clean up old checkpoint > and job handles in case that the cluster stop was intentional. > > Thus, the question is how do we define the behaviour in order to retrieve > handles and to clean up old handles so that ZooKeeper won't be cluttered > with old handles? > > There are basically two modes: > > 1. Keep state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a mean to > define a fixed path when starting the cluster and also a mean to purge old > state handles. Furthermore, add a shutdown mode where the handles under the > current path are directly removed. This mode would guarantee to always have > the state handles available if not explicitly told differently. However, > the downside is that ZooKeeper will be cluttered most certainly. > > 2. Remove the state handles when shutting down the cluster. Provide a > shutdown mode where we keep the state handles. This will keep ZooKeeper > clean but will give you also the possibility to keep a checkpoint around if > necessary. However, the user is more likely to lose his state when shutting > down the cluster. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> I agree with Aljoscha. Many companies install Flink (and its config) in a >> central directory and users share that installation. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I think we should find a way to randomize the paths where the HA stuff >>> stores data. If users don’t realize that they store data in the same paths >>> this could lead to problems. >>> >>> > On 19 Nov 2015, at 08:50, Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Gwenhaël, >>> > >>> > good to hear that you could resolve the problem. >>> > >>> > When you run multiple HA flink jobs in the same cluster, then you >>> don’t have to adjust the configuration of Flink. It should work out of the >>> box. >>> > >>> > However, if you run multiple HA Flink cluster, then you have to set >>> for each cluster a distinct ZooKeeper root path via the option >>> recovery.zookeeper.path.root in the Flink configuraiton. This is necessary >>> because otherwise all JobManagers (the ones of the different clusters) will >>> compete for a single leadership. Furthermore, all TaskManagers will only >>> see the one and only leader and connect to it. The reason is that the >>> TaskManagers will look up their leader at a ZNode below the ZooKeeper root >>> path. >>> > >>> > If you have other questions then don’t hesitate asking me. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Till >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers < >>> gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com> wrote: >>> > Nevermind, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Looking at the logs I saw that it was having issues trying to connect >>> to ZK. >>> > >>> > To make I short is had the wrong port. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > It is now starting. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Tomorrow I’ll try to kill some JobManagers *evil*. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Another question : if I have multiple HA flink jobs, are there some >>> points to check in order to be sure that they won’t collide on hdfs or ZK ? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > B.R. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Gwenhaël PASQUIERS >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > From: Till Rohrmann [mailto:till.rohrm...@gmail.com] >>> > Sent: mercredi 18 novembre 2015 18:01 >>> > To: user@flink.apache.org >>> > Subject: Re: YARN High Availability >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi Gwenhaël, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > do you have access to the yarn logs? >>> > >>>
RE: YARN High Availability
Nevermind, Looking at the logs I saw that it was having issues trying to connect to ZK. To make I short is had the wrong port. It is now starting. Tomorrow I’ll try to kill some JobManagers *evil*. Another question : if I have multiple HA flink jobs, are there some points to check in order to be sure that they won’t collide on hdfs or ZK ? B.R. Gwenhaël PASQUIERS From: Till Rohrmann [mailto:till.rohrm...@gmail.com] Sent: mercredi 18 novembre 2015 18:01 To: user@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: YARN High Availability Hi Gwenhaël, do you have access to the yarn logs? Cheers, Till On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Gwenhael Pasquiers <gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com<mailto:gwenhael.pasqui...@ericsson.com>> wrote: Hello, We’re trying to set up high availability using an existing zookeeper quorum already running in our Cloudera cluster. So, as per the doc we’ve changed the max attempt in yarn’s config as well as the flink.yaml. recovery.mode: zookeeper recovery.zookeeper.quorum: host1:3181,host2:3181,host3:3181 state.backend: filesystem state.backend.fs.checkpointdir: hdfs:///flink/checkpoints recovery.zookeeper.storageDir: hdfs:///flink/recovery/ yarn.application-attempts: 1000 Everything is ok as long as recovery.mode is commented. As soon as I uncomment recovery.mode the deployment on yarn is stuck on : “Deploying cluster, current state ACCEPTED”. “Deployment took more than 60 seconds….” Every second. And I have more than enough resources available on my yarn cluster. Do you have any idea of what could cause this, and/or what logs I should look for in order to understand ? B.R. Gwenhaël PASQUIERS
