Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-03 Thread Yanbo Liang
It means that may be some replicas will be stay in under replica state?


2013/4/3 Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com

 bq. then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-2 to another DN,
 supposed DN-2.

 sorry for typo.

 Correct for it:
 then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-1 to another DN,
 supposed DN-2.


 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's different.
 If you just want to stop DN-1 a short time, just kill the DataNode
 process on DN-1. then do what you want. during this time, Namenode  cannot
 receive the heart beat from DN-1, then namenode start to copy block
 replicates on DN-2 to another DN, supposed DN-2.

 But when you start DN-1 again, Namenode receive the DN-1 registration,
 then namenode stop to copy the DN-1's block replicates even if NN doesn't
 finish coping.

 Am I explain clearly?



 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 @Harsh

 What's the reasons to make big gaps for removing nodes between
 decommission and just down nodes?
 In my understanding, both are necessary to copy un-replicated blocks to
 another alive nodes.
 If main costs of  them are this one, total elapsed time couldn't be big
 different.

 Could you share some articles or documents to understand about
 decommissioning procedures?
 - explaining is always thanks ;)


 2013. 4. 2., 오후 5:37, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:

  Yes, you can do the downtime work in steps of 2 DNs at a time,
  especially since you mentioned the total work would be only ~30mins at
  most.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Henry Junyoung Kim
  henry.jy...@gmail.com wrote:
  the rest of nodes to be alive has enough size to store.
 
  for this one that you've mentioned.
  its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission.
 
  to check my understanding, just shutting down 2 of them and then 2
 more and then 2 more without decommissions.
 
  is this correct?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 4:54, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:
 
  Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the
 same
  time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
  free space for the excess replicas.
 
  If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
  each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
  average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
  movement impact.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
  But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
  Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to
 remaining 8
  nodes.
  The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is
 equal.
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  :)
 
  currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
  for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.
 
  Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all
 replicated
  blocks.
  from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(
 
  someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
  for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at
 the
  same time?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:
 
  I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
  decommission?
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  You want to decommission how many nodes?
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.
 
  2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:
 
  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J






Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-03 Thread Azuryy Yu
not at all.  so don't worry about that.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:

 It means that may be some replicas will be stay in under replica state?


 2013/4/3 Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com

 bq. then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-2 to another DN,
 supposed DN-2.

 sorry for typo.

 Correct for it:
 then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-1 to another DN,
 supposed DN-2.


 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's different.
 If you just want to stop DN-1 a short time, just kill the DataNode
 process on DN-1. then do what you want. during this time, Namenode  cannot
 receive the heart beat from DN-1, then namenode start to copy block
 replicates on DN-2 to another DN, supposed DN-2.

 But when you start DN-1 again, Namenode receive the DN-1 registration,
 then namenode stop to copy the DN-1's block replicates even if NN doesn't
 finish coping.

 Am I explain clearly?



 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Henry Junyoung Kim 
 henry.jy...@gmail.com wrote:

 @Harsh

 What's the reasons to make big gaps for removing nodes between
 decommission and just down nodes?
 In my understanding, both are necessary to copy un-replicated blocks to
 another alive nodes.
 If main costs of  them are this one, total elapsed time couldn't be big
 different.

 Could you share some articles or documents to understand about
 decommissioning procedures?
 - explaining is always thanks ;)


 2013. 4. 2., 오후 5:37, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:

  Yes, you can do the downtime work in steps of 2 DNs at a time,
  especially since you mentioned the total work would be only ~30mins at
  most.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Henry Junyoung Kim
  henry.jy...@gmail.com wrote:
  the rest of nodes to be alive has enough size to store.
 
  for this one that you've mentioned.
  its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission.
 
  to check my understanding, just shutting down 2 of them and then 2
 more and then 2 more without decommissions.
 
  is this correct?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 4:54, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:
 
  Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the
 same
  time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
  free space for the excess replicas.
 
  If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
  each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
  average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
  movement impact.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
  But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
  Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to
 remaining 8
  nodes.
  The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is
 equal.
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  :)
 
  currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
  for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.
 
  Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all
 replicated
  blocks.
  from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(
 
  someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
  for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes
 at the
  same time?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:
 
  I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
  decommission?
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang 
 yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  You want to decommission how many nodes?
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.
 
  2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:
 
  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J







Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-03 Thread Henry Junyoung Kim
thanks for all. 

my strategies for removing from 15 DN to 8 DN.

1. kill two DNs at same time. : NN will detect nodes' down and he will try to 
retain replication factors of lost blocks.
2. check your NN web UI. there is an info to let you know counts of 
under-replicated blocks.
3. if it is returned to 0 again, you can do remove other 2 DNs again. let's 
start from first again.

this scenario is what I did. my cluster is working well. ;)

thanks for all.

2013. 4. 3., 오후 5:18, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:

 not at all.  so don't worry about that.
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 It means that may be some replicas will be stay in under replica state?
 
 
 2013/4/3 Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com
 bq. then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-2 to another DN, 
 supposed DN-2. 
 
 sorry for typo.
 
 Correct for it:
 then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-1 to another DN, supposed 
 DN-2.
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's different.
 If you just want to stop DN-1 a short time, just kill the DataNode process on 
 DN-1. then do what you want. during this time, Namenode  cannot receive the 
 heart beat from DN-1, then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-2 to 
 another DN, supposed DN-2. 
 
 But when you start DN-1 again, Namenode receive the DN-1 registration, then 
 namenode stop to copy the DN-1's block replicates even if NN doesn't finish 
 coping.
 
 Am I explain clearly?
 
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 @Harsh
 
 What's the reasons to make big gaps for removing nodes between decommission 
 and just down nodes?
 In my understanding, both are necessary to copy un-replicated blocks to 
 another alive nodes.
 If main costs of  them are this one, total elapsed time couldn't be big 
 different.
 
 Could you share some articles or documents to understand about 
 decommissioning procedures?
 - explaining is always thanks ;)
 
 
 2013. 4. 2., 오후 5:37, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:
 
  Yes, you can do the downtime work in steps of 2 DNs at a time,
  especially since you mentioned the total work would be only ~30mins at
  most.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Henry Junyoung Kim
  henry.jy...@gmail.com wrote:
  the rest of nodes to be alive has enough size to store.
 
  for this one that you've mentioned.
  its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission.
 
  to check my understanding, just shutting down 2 of them and then 2 more 
  and then 2 more without decommissions.
 
  is this correct?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 4:54, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:
 
  Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the same
  time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
  free space for the excess replicas.
 
  If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
  each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
  average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
  movement impact.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
  It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
  But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
  Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to remaining 
  8
  nodes.
  The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is equal.
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  :)
 
  currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
  for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.
 
  Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all replicated
  blocks.
  from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(
 
  someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
  for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at the
  same time?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:
 
  I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
  decommission?
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
  You want to decommission how many nodes?
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.
 
  2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:
 
  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J
 
 
 
 
 



Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-02 Thread Harsh J
Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the same
time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
free space for the excess replicas.

If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
movement impact.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
 But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
 Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to remaining 8
 nodes.
 The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is equal.


 2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com

 :)

 currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
 for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.

 Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all replicated
 blocks.
 from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(

 someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
 for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at the
 same time?


 2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:

 I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
 decommission?


 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:

 You want to decommission how many nodes?


 2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com

 15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.

 2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:

  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.








-- 
Harsh J


Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-02 Thread Henry Junyoung Kim
the rest of nodes to be alive has enough size to store.

for this one that you've mentioned.
 its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
 decommission.

to check my understanding, just shutting down 2 of them and then 2 more and 
then 2 more without decommissions.

is this correct?


2013. 4. 2., 오후 4:54, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:

 Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the same
 time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
 free space for the excess replicas.
 
 If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
 each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
 decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
 average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
 movement impact.
 
 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
 But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
 Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to remaining 8
 nodes.
 The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is equal.
 
 
 2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
 :)
 
 currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
 for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.
 
 Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all replicated
 blocks.
 from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(
 
 someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
 for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at the
 same time?
 
 
 2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:
 
 I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
 decommission?
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You want to decommission how many nodes?
 
 
 2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
 15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.
 
 2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:
 
 How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Harsh J



Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-02 Thread Harsh J
Yes, you can do the downtime work in steps of 2 DNs at a time,
especially since you mentioned the total work would be only ~30mins at
most.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Henry Junyoung Kim
henry.jy...@gmail.com wrote:
 the rest of nodes to be alive has enough size to store.

 for this one that you've mentioned.
 its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
 decommission.

 to check my understanding, just shutting down 2 of them and then 2 more and 
 then 2 more without decommissions.

 is this correct?


 2013. 4. 2., 오후 4:54, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:

 Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the same
 time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
 free space for the excess replicas.

 If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
 each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
 decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
 average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
 movement impact.

 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
 But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
 Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to remaining 8
 nodes.
 The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is equal.


 2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com

 :)

 currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
 for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.

 Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all replicated
 blocks.
 from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(

 someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
 for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at the
 same time?


 2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:

 I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
 decommission?


 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:

 You want to decommission how many nodes?


 2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com

 15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.

 2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:

 How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.








 --
 Harsh J




-- 
Harsh J


Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-02 Thread Henry Junyoung Kim
@Harsh

What's the reasons to make big gaps for removing nodes between decommission and 
just down nodes?
In my understanding, both are necessary to copy un-replicated blocks to another 
alive nodes.
If main costs of  them are this one, total elapsed time couldn't be big 
different.

Could you share some articles or documents to understand about decommissioning 
procedures?
- explaining is always thanks ;)


2013. 4. 2., 오후 5:37, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:

 Yes, you can do the downtime work in steps of 2 DNs at a time,
 especially since you mentioned the total work would be only ~30mins at
 most.
 
 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Henry Junyoung Kim
 henry.jy...@gmail.com wrote:
 the rest of nodes to be alive has enough size to store.
 
 for this one that you've mentioned.
 its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
 decommission.
 
 to check my understanding, just shutting down 2 of them and then 2 more and 
 then 2 more without decommissions.
 
 is this correct?
 
 
 2013. 4. 2., 오후 4:54, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:
 
 Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the same
 time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
 free space for the excess replicas.
 
 If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
 each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
 decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
 average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
 movement impact.
 
 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
 But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
 Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to remaining 8
 nodes.
 The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is equal.
 
 
 2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
 :)
 
 currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
 for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.
 
 Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all replicated
 blocks.
 from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(
 
 someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
 for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at the
 same time?
 
 
 2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:
 
 I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
 decommission?
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You want to decommission how many nodes?
 
 
 2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
 15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.
 
 2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:
 
 How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --
 Harsh J
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Harsh J



Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-02 Thread Azuryy Yu
It's different.
If you just want to stop DN-1 a short time, just kill the DataNode process
on DN-1. then do what you want. during this time, Namenode  cannot receive
the heart beat from DN-1, then namenode start to copy block replicates on
DN-2 to another DN, supposed DN-2.

But when you start DN-1 again, Namenode receive the DN-1 registration, then
namenode stop to copy the DN-1's block replicates even if NN doesn't finish
coping.

Am I explain clearly?



On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Harsh

 What's the reasons to make big gaps for removing nodes between
 decommission and just down nodes?
 In my understanding, both are necessary to copy un-replicated blocks to
 another alive nodes.
 If main costs of  them are this one, total elapsed time couldn't be big
 different.

 Could you share some articles or documents to understand about
 decommissioning procedures?
 - explaining is always thanks ;)


 2013. 4. 2., 오후 5:37, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:

  Yes, you can do the downtime work in steps of 2 DNs at a time,
  especially since you mentioned the total work would be only ~30mins at
  most.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Henry Junyoung Kim
  henry.jy...@gmail.com wrote:
  the rest of nodes to be alive has enough size to store.
 
  for this one that you've mentioned.
  its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission.
 
  to check my understanding, just shutting down 2 of them and then 2 more
 and then 2 more without decommissions.
 
  is this correct?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 4:54, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:
 
  Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the same
  time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
  free space for the excess replicas.
 
  If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
  each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
  average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
  movement impact.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
  But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
  Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to
 remaining 8
  nodes.
  The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is equal.
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  :)
 
  currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
  for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.
 
  Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all
 replicated
  blocks.
  from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(
 
  someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
  for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at
 the
  same time?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:
 
  I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
  decommission?
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  You want to decommission how many nodes?
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.
 
  2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:
 
  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J




Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-02 Thread Azuryy Yu
bq. then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-2 to another DN,
supposed DN-2.

sorry for typo.

Correct for it:
then namenode start to copy block replicates on DN-1 to another DN,
supposed DN-2.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's different.
 If you just want to stop DN-1 a short time, just kill the DataNode process
 on DN-1. then do what you want. during this time, Namenode  cannot receive
 the heart beat from DN-1, then namenode start to copy block replicates on
 DN-2 to another DN, supposed DN-2.

 But when you start DN-1 again, Namenode receive the DN-1 registration,
 then namenode stop to copy the DN-1's block replicates even if NN doesn't
 finish coping.

 Am I explain clearly?



 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Henry Junyoung Kim 
 henry.jy...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Harsh

 What's the reasons to make big gaps for removing nodes between
 decommission and just down nodes?
 In my understanding, both are necessary to copy un-replicated blocks to
 another alive nodes.
 If main costs of  them are this one, total elapsed time couldn't be big
 different.

 Could you share some articles or documents to understand about
 decommissioning procedures?
 - explaining is always thanks ;)


 2013. 4. 2., 오후 5:37, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:

  Yes, you can do the downtime work in steps of 2 DNs at a time,
  especially since you mentioned the total work would be only ~30mins at
  most.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Henry Junyoung Kim
  henry.jy...@gmail.com wrote:
  the rest of nodes to be alive has enough size to store.
 
  for this one that you've mentioned.
  its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission.
 
  to check my understanding, just shutting down 2 of them and then 2
 more and then 2 more without decommissions.
 
  is this correct?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 4:54, Harsh J ha...@cloudera.com 작성:
 
  Note though that its only possible to decommission 7 nodes at the same
  time and expect it to finish iff the remaining 8 nodes have adequate
  free space for the excess replicas.
 
  If you're just going to take them down for a short while (few mins
  each), its easier to do so in a rolling manner without need of a
  decommission. You can take upto two down at a time on a replication
  average of 3 or 3+, and put it back in later without too much data
  movement impact.
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  It's reasonable to decommission 7 nodes at the same time.
  But may be it also takes long time to finish it.
  Because all the replicas in these 7 nodes need to be copied to
 remaining 8
  nodes.
  The size of transfer from these nodes to the remaining nodes is
 equal.
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry Junyoung Kim henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  :)
 
  currently, I  have 15 data nodes.
  for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes.
 
  Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all
 replicated
  blocks.
  from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(
 
  someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node.
  for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at
 the
  same time?
 
 
  2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:
 
  I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
  decommission?
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  You want to decommission how many nodes?
 
 
  2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com
 
  15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.
 
  2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:
 
  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J
 
 
 
 
  --
  Harsh J





Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-01 Thread varun kumar
How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.


Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-01 Thread Yanbo Liang
It's alowable to decommission multi nodes at the same time.
Just write the all the hostnames which will be decommissioned  to the
exclude file and run bin/hadoop dfsadmin -refreshNodes.

However you need to ensure the decommissioned DataNodes are minority of all
the DataNodes in the cluster and the block replica can be guaranteed after
decommission.

For example, default replication level mapred.submit.replication=10.
So if you have less than 10 DataNodes after decommissioned, the decommision
process will hang.


2013/4/1 varun kumar varun@gmail.com

 How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.



Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-01 Thread Henry JunYoung KIM
15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.

2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:

 How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.



Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-01 Thread Yanbo Liang
You want to decommission how many nodes?


2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com

 15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.

 2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:

  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.




Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-01 Thread Azuryy Yu
I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to
decommission?


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:

 You want to decommission how many nodes?


 2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com

 15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.

 2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:

  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.





Re: are we able to decommission multi nodes at one time?

2013-04-01 Thread Henry Junyoung Kim
:) 

currently, I  have 15 data nodes. 
for some tests, I am trying to decommission until 8 nodes. 

Now, the total dfs used size is 52 TB which is including all replicated blocks.
from 15 to 8, total spent time is almost 4 days long. ;(

someone mentioned that I don't need to decommission node by node. 
for this case, is there no problems if I decommissioned 7 nodes at the same 
time?


2013. 4. 2., 오후 12:14, Azuryy Yu azury...@gmail.com 작성:

 I can translate it to native English: how many nodes you want to decommission?
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Yanbo Liang yanboha...@gmail.com wrote:
 You want to decommission how many nodes?
 
 
 2013/4/2 Henry JunYoung KIM henry.jy...@gmail.com
 15 for datanodes and 3 for replication factor.
 
 2013. 4. 1., 오후 3:23, varun kumar varun@gmail.com 작성:
 
  How many nodes do you have and replication factor for it.