RE: order by date

2012-03-13 Thread Tucker, Matt
Hi Keith,

We generally store date columns as a string in a similar format to ISO 8601 
(-mm-dd hh:MM:ss).  This way, when we put the date column in the ORDER BY 
clause, it will be sorted chronologically.  It also saves us the trouble of 
whipping out a unix timestamp calculator to figure out what we're looking at.

There is supposed to be a TIMESTAMP data type in Hive 0.8, but I haven't found 
any documentation on it yet.

Matt Tucker

-Original Message-
From: Keith Wiley [mailto:kwi...@keithwiley.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:45 PM
To: user@hive.apache.org
Subject: order by date

I realize that hive doesn't have a date type for the columns and I realize that 
hive *does* have various date functions.  I just haven't found a concrete 
example of how these two issues are brought together.  Ordering the results of 
a sql query is done by adding order by dateColName to the query.  Are the 
date functions supposed to be used in the form order by 
UNIX_TIMESTAMP(dateColName, '-MM-dd')?  Does the function just go right 
into the order by clause like that or is that totally wrong?

How does one order query results by a date column?  Am I on the right track?

Thanks.


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Re: order by date

2012-03-13 Thread Keith Wiley
Is see, you store the date-time as a lexicographically sortable string.  That's 
fine, but I'm operating on existing csv tables.  I guess I could whip up a 
hadoop job to convert all the date-time columns to lexicographic strings and 
then wrap hive around the resulting converted tables.  I was just wondering if 
there was a more direct approach, whether I could apply hive to the original 
csv tables.

*Would* the date functions work in the way I suggested in my first post or do 
you think a lexicographic conversion is practically required to perform 
date-ordering on query results?

On Mar 13, 2012, at 09:49 , Tucker, Matt wrote:

 Hi Keith,
 
 We generally store date columns as a string in a similar format to ISO 8601 
 (-mm-dd hh:MM:ss).  This way, when we put the date column in the ORDER BY 
 clause, it will be sorted chronologically.  It also saves us the trouble of 
 whipping out a unix timestamp calculator to figure out what we're looking at.
 
 There is supposed to be a TIMESTAMP data type in Hive 0.8, but I haven't 
 found any documentation on it yet.
 
 Matt Tucker
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Keith Wiley [mailto:kwi...@keithwiley.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:45 PM
 To: user@hive.apache.org
 Subject: order by date
 
 I realize that hive doesn't have a date type for the columns and I realize 
 that hive *does* have various date functions.  I just haven't found a 
 concrete example of how these two issues are brought together.  Ordering the 
 results of a sql query is done by adding order by dateColName to the query. 
  Are the date functions supposed to be used in the form order by 
 UNIX_TIMESTAMP(dateColName, '-MM-dd')?  Does the function just go right 
 into the order by clause like that or is that totally wrong?
 
 How does one order query results by a date column?  Am I on the right track?
 
 Thanks.



Keith Wiley kwi...@keithwiley.com keithwiley.commusic.keithwiley.com

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self-contented is to be vile and ignorant, and that to aspire is better than to
be blindly and impotently happy.
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Re: order by date

2012-03-13 Thread Mark Grover
Hi Keith,
You should also consider writing you own UDF that takes in the date in 
American format and spits out a lexicographical string.
That way you don't have to modify your base data, just use this newly created 
from_american_date(String date) UDF to get your new date string in

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- Original Message -
From: Keith Wiley kwi...@keithwiley.com
To: user@hive.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:47:12 PM
Subject: Re: order by date

I see how I misled you, sorry.  I wasn't implying that my csv data is cleanly 
represented in -MM-dd format.  I was just asking syntactically how to use 
date functions in HiveQL because I hadn't found any examples and I used 
-MM-dd in my example.  The dates in my csv tables are often in American 
format, month first without leading zeroes, e.g., 3/31/2012 7:00.  The lack 
of leading zeroes and the unsortabled date format make the dates difficult to 
work with.  I was thinking I could use the date functions with some other 
format to sort them (I guess it would be M/d/ h:mm or something like 
that).

I admit, I didn't actually go to the trouble of providing the correct pattern 
string in my earlier post, I was focused on the HiveQL syntax in that post, not 
the precise date pattern given to the date function.

So yeah, I'm still trying to determine the best way to sort queries against the 
date-time columns.  One option is to read/write the entire tables with a date 
conversion to a lexicographic format.  Another option -- my original question 
in this thread -- was how I might use hive's date functions at the time a query 
is performed.

What do you think is the best way to deal with this?

Thanks.

On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:35 , Tucker, Matt wrote:

 I'm a bit confused.  It sounds like you're already storing your dates as 
 strings in a '-mm-dd' format.  In that case, you can just sort by 
 dateColName.  There's no issue with using UNIX_TIMESTAMP() in the order by 
 clause, as it outputs integer values.
 
 Most of the date functions in hive take arguments in string format, with a 
 few functions that will translate between unix timestamps and datetime 
 strings.
 
 Matt Tucker



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I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with
sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
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RE: order by date

2012-03-13 Thread Tucker, Matt
If you don't want to modify your CSV files, I would suggest doing the 
conversion as part of the query.  For that, you can either include the 
conversion in each query, or you can create a view of your table that includes 
a column with the converted date.

Either way, you may want to try from_unixtime(unix_timestamp(dateColName, 
'M/d/ h:mm')), which should convert it into a format that you can sort by.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/LanguageManual+UDF#LanguageManualUDF-DateFunctions

Matt Tucker


-Original Message-
From: Keith Wiley [mailto:kwi...@keithwiley.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:47 PM
To: user@hive.apache.org
Subject: Re: order by date

I see how I misled you, sorry.  I wasn't implying that my csv data is cleanly 
represented in -MM-dd format.  I was just asking syntactically how to use 
date functions in HiveQL because I hadn't found any examples and I used 
-MM-dd in my example.  The dates in my csv tables are often in American 
format, month first without leading zeroes, e.g., 3/31/2012 7:00.  The lack 
of leading zeroes and the unsortabled date format make the dates difficult to 
work with.  I was thinking I could use the date functions with some other 
format to sort them (I guess it would be M/d/ h:mm or something like 
that).

I admit, I didn't actually go to the trouble of providing the correct pattern 
string in my earlier post, I was focused on the HiveQL syntax in that post, not 
the precise date pattern given to the date function.

So yeah, I'm still trying to determine the best way to sort queries against the 
date-time columns.  One option is to read/write the entire tables with a date 
conversion to a lexicographic format.  Another option -- my original question 
in this thread -- was how I might use hive's date functions at the time a query 
is performed.

What do you think is the best way to deal with this?

Thanks.

On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:35 , Tucker, Matt wrote:

 I'm a bit confused.  It sounds like you're already storing your dates as 
 strings in a '-mm-dd' format.  In that case, you can just sort by 
 dateColName.  There's no issue with using UNIX_TIMESTAMP() in the order by 
 clause, as it outputs integer values.
 
 Most of the date functions in hive take arguments in string format, with a 
 few functions that will translate between unix timestamps and datetime 
 strings.
 
 Matt Tucker



Keith Wiley kwi...@keithwiley.com keithwiley.commusic.keithwiley.com

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with 
sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
   --  Galileo Galilei