date:20100118


If your client application is written in Java, then check out the 
ExampleRemoteClient.java file in OFBiz (there are comments there about how to 
use it).

If you have to use SOAP (and if so, I'm sorry for your pain, there are so many 
better alternatives) then the easiest way is to write a custom SOAP service 
that lives in an OFBiz component and calls the OFBiz service when it is called, 
and returns the result you want in whatever flavour of SOAP you require.

-David


On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Pardeep Ruhil wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> I have a doubt regarding the support of data types provided in OFBiz for web 
> services. I have a web application which uses services defined in OFBiz to 
> access and retrieve data from database.
> 
> Now the service defined in OFBiz has 'GenericValue' as a OUT parameter. As 
> currently OFBiz provide support for custom and complex object parameter 
> support, so I will get this object on the client side I.e. my web application.
> 
> Now in the client side how will I process this 'GenericValue' object as this 
> class is specific to OFBiz. So I will not be able to typecast that to 
> GenericValue.
> So do I need to create a jar file  of "GenericValue" class and then set into 
> my web application classpth ? And If I am doing this  then it's like just 
> copy pasting the OFBiz framework into my web application.
> 
> My second doubt is :
> How to write the client to access the OFBiz web service in my web application 
> ?
> Do I need to write that the same way as code written in 
> 'SoapClientEngine.java' file  like serialize the input parameters and then 
> send them.
> Because otherwise If I am using axis to call the OFBiz web service , I am 
> getting 'Not able to deserialize the 'inputMap' parameter.
> 
> Kindly help me to clear my doubts.
> 
> Thanks & Regards
> Pradeep Ruhil
> 
> 
> This Email may contain confidential or privileged information for the 
> intended recipient (s) If you are not the intended recipient, please do not 
> use or disseminate the information, notify the sender and delete it from your 
> system.
> 
> __

Doubt regarding 'GenericValue' support provided in OFBiz web services.

2010-01-18 Thread Pardeep Ruhil


Hi,
I have a doubt regarding the support of data types provided in OFBiz for web 
services. I have a web application which uses services defined in OFBiz to 
access and retrieve data from database.

Now the service defined in OFBiz has 'GenericValue' as a OUT parameter. As 
currently OFBiz provide support for custom and complex object parameter 
support, so I will get this object on the client side I.e. my web application.

 Now in the client side how will I process this 'GenericValue' object as this 
class is specific to OFBiz. So I will not be able to typecast that to 
GenericValue.
So do I need to create a jar file  of "GenericValue" class and then set into my 
web application classpth ? And If I am doing this  then it's like just copy 
pasting the OFBiz framework into my web application.

My second doubt is :
How to write the client to access the OFBiz web service in my web application ?
Do I need to write that the same way as code written in 'SoapClientEngine.java' 
file  like serialize the input parameters and then send them.
Because otherwise If I am using axis to call the OFBiz web service , I am 
getting 'Not able to deserialize the 'inputMap' parameter.

Kindly help me to clear my doubts.

Thanks & Regards
Pradeep Ruhil


This Email may contain confidential or privileged information for the intended 
recipient (s) If you are not the intended recipient, please do not use or 
disseminate the information, notify the sender and delete it from your system.

__

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

On Jan 18, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Why David - thanks for the endorsement! Competition is always a good thing 
> and I welcome it as it makes me better. Let me just say, however, the ramp up 
> time associated with OFBiz is nothing compared to writing and 
> self-publishing. It's not as easy as it looks. And it is expensive. You can't 
> just toss together a computer w/Linux and Java (all freebies) and hope to 
> assemble something useful.
> 
> And, it doesn't pay nearly as well as consulting.

This is just my opinion, but I think that if you wanted to make money on proper 
documentation (which is probably more than a 10,000 hour effort as a rough 
guess) you'd have to do it along with a supported commercial distribution and a 
good marketing budget. In other words, if your target market size is that of 
whatever the OFBiz open source project (with a marketing budget of zero, 
conveniently the same in any currency), then your target market is pretty 
small. 

If you tried to spend on marketing for just documentation you'd have a limit of 
whatever OFBiz draws, or you'd have to spend enough to lift OFBiz along with 
your product which brings me back to the idea of doing a supported distribution 
in addition to marketing because the revenue potential for documentation alone 
is probably not adequate for that level of marketing spend, and you would also 
be putting capital into marketing for something you don't control.

> Looking for new ventures are you? How about just invest in what I'm doing? If 
> there is anyone out there who would like to invest in my efforts, I'm all 
> ears! I could use a new server, some first-class editorial help, a 
> professional indexer, professional quality publication software (something 
> like InDesign) etc., etc., etc.

I'm sorry if I made the wrong impression, when I wrote "It would be interesting 
to see" that's what I meant, putting me in the position of an outside observer. 
Not only am I not in a position to invest, I'm not even in a position to 
participate in a startup unless it is already well funded. I'm just a working 
man. Actually, it's worse than that... I'm just a failed entrepreneur with more 
liabilities than assets and in this labour market with growing supply and 
flat-lined demand I'm back to making what I did 8 years ago when OFBiz was a 
year old and little more than a very basic framework plus a hacked together, 
primitive, ecommerce package.

I'd like to think I've learned some lessons in all of this. One is that the old 
saying about love does not apply at ALL to investing, and it is not better to 
have invested and lost than to never have invested at all. In fact, I think 
investing is all about timing, and I've blown it altogether. If you're starting 
with nothing then you never want to invest immediately should you manage to 
earn more than you need to live. Work like mad to make a lot of money when 
markets are up, but for goodness sake don't invest it then! Hoard it and wait 
for the market to fall apart, THEN start investing in whatever you're going to, 
be it people and training for a services business, assets with the hope of 
appreciation, intellectual property of any sort (documentation, software, 
whatever), or anything else. Yes, timing this well is all but impossible, but 
it's not like you have to cut it close. You just keep the money when you earn, 
and invest it when you can't so much earn any more (especially if you know 
others are also having trouble earning and are willing to work for peanuts to 
survive :) ).

As for consulting, it's enough to survive if you're lucky, but certainly not 
comfortable or secure, especially these days when the labour market is not 
exactly favourable. Having tried at the documentation market, I'm guess that 
isn't all that great either. I won't say much more about consulting though, 
chances are I have clients or prospective clients reading in.

Since clients are probably reading in I should probably get back to work... ;)

-David

Re: doubt in popup position setting by using popup.js

2010-01-18 Thread Rohit Jain

Hello All,

Please lets me know if my question not clear and if there more detail
required.
Still I am facing same problem when working with popup .js.
I can't set specific position of popup.


Thanks & Regards
--
Rohit Jain



On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Rohit Jain wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I am trying to use popup.js for rederning popup.
> but popup are rendered on its default position, I want to changed its
> position
> please suggest me how can I set custom position of popup by using popup.js
> for rendering popup I am using following code
>
> new Popup('popupBox','popupLink', {modal: true, position: '', trigger:
> 'click'})
>
> I tried to understand popup.js code but unable to get following Regular
> Expression that used in condition
>
> if (mo =
> this.options.position.match(/^\s*([^\s,]+)\s*,\s*([^\s,]+)\s*$/)) {
>
> it used in get_popup_position() function of popup class.
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Thanks & Regards
> --
> Rohit Jain
>

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation


Thanks

Tim Ruppert wrote:

infrastruct...@apache.org - one of the many other tools at our disposal - 
especially for these types of things.

Cheers,
Ruppert
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595

On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

  

Hi Tim:
Who would I send that email to? Who is "infra"?
Regards,
Ruth

Tim Ruppert wrote:


I'm sure we could extract some numbers out of Apache to find out some 
information about it - but since this is moving to an ASF server, the right 
thing would be for us to be talking about how we'd achieve this going forward 
if it's a requirement.  There are tons of spikes - but since this is available 
without login - it gets spidered a lot and the numbers are sometimes not as 
accurate as we'd like.

Ruth, you could send something to infra and ask if it's possible to hear about 
checkout numbers as well - that might be more possible.

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:42 PM, David E Jones wrote:

 
  

On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

   


Hello David:

Would it be possible to get download counts?
 
  
I don't know. That's not really my thing. 
One big number is probably the SVN checkout and update loads, but I'm not sure if those are available anywhere. That would be an ASF infra thing.


For the other, the downloads are still on the build.ofbiz.org site which is 
donated and managed by Hotwax Media and Contegix, so maybe someone involved 
there could comment.

-David


   


Here's an interesting statistic I'd like to share with the list: Although I've only been providing 
my free download document for the last 5 months or so, I've seen more activity since the New Year 
(that would be in the last 18 days) then any other 2 months combined. By activity I mean a user 
fills out the survey and then downloads the free "Getting Started w/OFBiz in 5 Steps". 
That tells me there is interest out there. We just need to figure out what the "need" is 
and how to fill it with OFBiz.

Regards,
Ruth

Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com

David E Jones wrote:
 
  

I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and maybe not 
a bad thing.

Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those who 
have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a return on 
the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's best to get 
into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't expect a return 
and aren't investing), and then get out when the market is great (when others 
do expect a return and are investing a lot). However, the same people will 
often fail to recognize that such conditions are not only impossible to predict 
in the future, but also impossible to recognize in the present, and they 
further fail to recognize that the fact that they were able to invest in a low 
market and get out when the market picked up was probably just the luck of 
timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can find one!)... they can't even 
accurately analyze the present, let alone predict the future... even if they 
are asked to every day.

Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity in 
OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user organizations 
have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes sense because the 
sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from my experience) are 
getting hit really hard right now and many companies are not just cutting back, 
but totally failing. End-user organizations have always been about 90% of my 
work, but are now down to 0%... and I haven't designed or built anything for 
one in almost a year now. Fortunately there are other types of companies out 
there, but one way or another the demand for OFBiz is WAY down as the 
industries and sizes of businesses it serves are hit so hard.

From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a company a 
non-profit community-driven open source project has no liabilities and there is 
no way it can just disappear (unless no one is using it, ie it falls into 
irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed to get adequate donations of money 
or server time to keep hosting the project, it could be hosted elsewhere, or 
even turn into some crazy peer managed ecosystem using distributed git 
repositories (some people would love that, but I think it would be a nightmare 
for both contributors and users).

In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a little 
bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope and will continue to invest 
in open source projects like OFBiz, which is really an investment that 
developers do in hopes of getting more and better work in the future. If people 
don't feel much hope for that t

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Tim Ruppert

infrastruct...@apache.org - one of the many other tools at our disposal - 
especially for these types of things.

Cheers,
Ruppert
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595

On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi Tim:
> Who would I send that email to? Who is "infra"?
> Regards,
> Ruth
> 
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> I'm sure we could extract some numbers out of Apache to find out some 
>> information about it - but since this is moving to an ASF server, the right 
>> thing would be for us to be talking about how we'd achieve this going 
>> forward if it's a requirement.  There are tons of spikes - but since this is 
>> available without login - it gets spidered a lot and the numbers are 
>> sometimes not as accurate as we'd like.
>> 
>> Ruth, you could send something to infra and ask if it's possible to hear 
>> about checkout numbers as well - that might be more possible.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:42 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>> 
>>>
 Hello David:
 
 Would it be possible to get download counts?
  
>>> I don't know. That's not really my thing. 
>>> One big number is probably the SVN checkout and update loads, but I'm not 
>>> sure if those are available anywhere. That would be an ASF infra thing.
>>> 
>>> For the other, the downloads are still on the build.ofbiz.org site which is 
>>> donated and managed by Hotwax Media and Contegix, so maybe someone involved 
>>> there could comment.
>>> 
>>> -David
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
 Here's an interesting statistic I'd like to share with the list: Although 
 I've only been providing my free download document for the last 5 months 
 or so, I've seen more activity since the New Year (that would be in the 
 last 18 days) then any other 2 months combined. By activity I mean a user 
 fills out the survey and then downloads the free "Getting Started w/OFBiz 
 in 5 Steps". That tells me there is interest out there. We just need to 
 figure out what the "need" is and how to fill it with OFBiz.
 
 Regards,
 Ruth
 
 Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
 ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com
 
 David E Jones wrote:
  
> I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and 
> maybe not a bad thing.
> 
> Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those 
> who have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a 
> return on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's 
> best to get into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't 
> expect a return and aren't investing), and then get out when the market 
> is great (when others do expect a return and are investing a lot). 
> However, the same people will often fail to recognize that such 
> conditions are not only impossible to predict in the future, but also 
> impossible to recognize in the present, and they further fail to 
> recognize that the fact that they were able to invest in a low market and 
> get out when the market picked up was probably just the luck of timing. 
> Just ask any honest economist (if you can find one!)... they can't even 
> accurately analyze the present, let alone predict the future... even if 
> they are asked to every day.
> 
> Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity 
> in OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user 
> organizations have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes 
> sense because the sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from 
> my experience) are getting hit really hard right now and many companies 
> are not just cutting back, but totally failing. End-user organizations 
> have always been about 90% of my work, but are now down to 0%... and I 
> haven't designed or built anything for one in almost a year now. 
> Fortunately there are other types of companies out there, but one way or 
> another the demand for OFBiz is WAY down as the industries and sizes of 
> businesses it serves are hit so hard.
> 
> From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a 
> company a non-profit community-driven open source project has no 
> liabilities and there is no way it can just disappear (unless no one is 
> using it, ie it falls into irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed 
> to get adequate donations of money or server time to keep hosting the 
> project, it could be hosted elsewhere, or even turn into some crazy peer 
> managed ecosystem using distributed git repositories (some people would 
> love that, but I think it would be a nightmare for both contribu

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation


Hi Tim:
Who would I send that email to? Who is "infra"?
Regards,
Ruth

Tim Ruppert wrote:

I'm sure we could extract some numbers out of Apache to find out some 
information about it - but since this is moving to an ASF server, the right 
thing would be for us to be talking about how we'd achieve this going forward 
if it's a requirement.  There are tons of spikes - but since this is available 
without login - it gets spidered a lot and the numbers are sometimes not as 
accurate as we'd like.

Ruth, you could send something to infra and ask if it's possible to hear about 
checkout numbers as well - that might be more possible.

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:42 PM, David E Jones wrote:

  

On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:



Hello David:

Would it be possible to get download counts?
  
I don't know. That's not really my thing. 


One big number is probably the SVN checkout and update loads, but I'm not sure 
if those are available anywhere. That would be an ASF infra thing.

For the other, the downloads are still on the build.ofbiz.org site which is 
donated and managed by Hotwax Media and Contegix, so maybe someone involved 
there could comment.

-David




Here's an interesting statistic I'd like to share with the list: Although I've only been providing 
my free download document for the last 5 months or so, I've seen more activity since the New Year 
(that would be in the last 18 days) then any other 2 months combined. By activity I mean a user 
fills out the survey and then downloads the free "Getting Started w/OFBiz in 5 Steps". 
That tells me there is interest out there. We just need to figure out what the "need" is 
and how to fill it with OFBiz.

Regards,
Ruth

Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com

David E Jones wrote:
  

I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and maybe not 
a bad thing.

Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those who 
have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a return on 
the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's best to get 
into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't expect a return 
and aren't investing), and then get out when the market is great (when others 
do expect a return and are investing a lot). However, the same people will 
often fail to recognize that such conditions are not only impossible to predict 
in the future, but also impossible to recognize in the present, and they 
further fail to recognize that the fact that they were able to invest in a low 
market and get out when the market picked up was probably just the luck of 
timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can find one!)... they can't even 
accurately analyze the present, let alone predict the future... even if they 
are asked to every day.

Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity in 
OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user organizations 
have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes sense because the 
sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from my experience) are 
getting hit really hard right now and many companies are not just cutting back, 
but totally failing. End-user organizations have always been about 90% of my 
work, but are now down to 0%... and I haven't designed or built anything for 
one in almost a year now. Fortunately there are other types of companies out 
there, but one way or another the demand for OFBiz is WAY down as the 
industries and sizes of businesses it serves are hit so hard.

From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a company a 
non-profit community-driven open source project has no liabilities and there is 
no way it can just disappear (unless no one is using it, ie it falls into 
irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed to get adequate donations of money 
or server time to keep hosting the project, it could be hosted elsewhere, or 
even turn into some crazy peer managed ecosystem using distributed git 
repositories (some people would love that, but I think it would be a nightmare 
for both contributors and users).

In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a little 
bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope and will continue to invest 
in open source projects like OFBiz, which is really an investment that 
developers do in hopes of getting more and better work in the future. If people 
don't feel much hope for that then chances are they won't invest as much, and 
maybe just the hobbyists who want to develop neat stuff will be contributing.

Sooner or later things will of course pick up, and then we'll be back to 
complaints about too much going into the project instead of complaints about 
not enough. On the other hand, given an infinite potential univer

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

Hi David/Matt:
Please see my comments below:

David E Jones wrote:

Matt,

It sounds like you're looking for something that a smaller company can use
OOTB. If that's the case, take a look at this:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/OFBiz+EZBiz

However, please understand that this not only may never be designed all the
way, it also may never be built. It is about 80% a hobby project and even
though I'm interested in working on it (apparently I'm basically the only one),
I don't have much hope of increasing personal income for it and I think others
feel the same way about it. People need some reason to contribute to this and
invest in it, and for something like this people have to dig pretty deep to
find a reason.

OFBiz doesn't exist and isn't what it is in spite of being community-driven,
OFBiz exists and is what it is precisely because it is community-driven. If
someone wants something that they'll get for free and not have to change for
their business, I'm guessing they're not going to find it in a community-driven
open source project (they may find it in a commercial product that uses open
source for marketing purposes).

Perhaps that'll change for OFBiz and we'll get at least more collaboration in
requirements gathering and design, but so far I'm pretty much a lone wolf there
too (ie I've failed to get others interested in participating). The main
starting point for that is here:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index

with a good introduction to the effort here:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/UBPL+Introduction

Being a smaller company is certainly not a problem. In fact, OFBiz is built and
maintained entirely by individuals and small companies. It would be great to
have lunch with you sometime and chat about what you're doing these days, and
how you'd like to participate more in OFBiz. Unfortunately we'll probably have
to do that remotely. I'm only in Utah every so often these days (in Texas now),
and probably won't be for at least another 6 weeks or so.

BTW, as far as investments go we seem to be in an era where commercial
derivative works startups are dominating (ie industry specific ERP and such).
It would be interesting to see other types of ventures, like some documentation
competition for Ruth's MyOFBiz.com, or some commercial distribution with
support, or other such things.

Why David - thanks for the endorsement! Competition is always a good
thing and I welcome it as it makes me better. Let me just say, however,
the ramp up time associated with OFBiz is nothing compared to writing
and self-publishing. It's not as easy as it looks. And it is expensive.
You can't just toss together a computer w/Linux and Java (all freebies)
and hope to assemble something useful.

And, it doesn't pay nearly as well as consulting.

Looking for new ventures are you? How about just invest in what I'm
doing? If there is anyone out there who would like to invest in my
efforts, I'm all ears! I could use a new server, some first-class
editorial help, a professional indexer, professional quality publication
software (something like InDesign) etc., etc., etc.

-David

On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

David:

You may not remember me, but we met when you worked with Stephen Loosli.
I think he will remember me too-- I helped him try to raise venture
capital through Wayne Brown Institute.

I think Jacques has some good points. As a newcomer to the project (but
who has watched it from the outside for several years now), I think the
project currently has a learning curve that is both intimidating to new
users, and perhaps much higher than it needs to be.

Open source projects really only grow and flower when they get a
critical mass of users and developers that can take over the bulk of the
development effort. Compare NetBSD to Linux, for example. One uses the
cathedral model, the other the bazaar. The more users you have, the
more developers you get (although that is never a 1:1 proposition).
Open source is all about "scratching your own itch", so the more users
you have, the more itches (of all varieties) you have that need
scratching, and the faster the project develops, though still perhaps
never in the direction any one person wants.

But you also make some interesting observations, that I would like to
comment on.

On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 14:15 -0600, David E Jones wrote:

I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and
maybe not a bad thing.

Agreed-- human behavior is a natural thing, and probably not bad, though
often problematic if we have not properly incented or encouraged the
behavior we want or expect.

Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those
who have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much
of a return on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

Matt,

It sounds like you're looking for something that a smaller company can use 
OOTB. If that's the case, take a look at this:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/OFBiz+EZBiz

However, please understand that this not only may never be designed all the 
way, it also may never be built. It is about 80% a hobby project and even 
though I'm interested in working on it (apparently I'm basically the only one), 
I don't have much hope of increasing personal income for it and I think others 
feel the same way about it. People need some reason to contribute to this and 
invest in it, and for something like this people have to dig pretty deep to 
find a reason.

OFBiz doesn't exist and isn't what it is in spite of being community-driven, 
OFBiz exists and is what it is precisely because it is community-driven. If 
someone wants something that they'll get for free and not have to change for 
their business, I'm guessing they're not going to find it in a community-driven 
open source project (they may find it in a commercial product that uses open 
source for marketing purposes).

Perhaps that'll change for OFBiz and we'll get at least more collaboration in 
requirements gathering and design, but so far I'm pretty much a lone wolf there 
too (ie I've failed to get others interested in participating). The main 
starting point for that is here:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index

with a good introduction to the effort here:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/UBPL+Introduction

Being a smaller company is certainly not a problem. In fact, OFBiz is built and 
maintained entirely by individuals and small companies.  It would be great to 
have lunch with you sometime and chat about what you're doing these days, and 
how you'd like to participate more in OFBiz. Unfortunately we'll probably have 
to do that remotely. I'm only in Utah every so often these days (in Texas now), 
and probably won't be for at least another 6 weeks or so.

BTW, as far as investments go we seem to be in an era where commercial 
derivative works startups are dominating (ie industry specific ERP and such). 
It would be interesting to see other types of ventures, like some documentation 
competition for Ruth's MyOFBiz.com, or some commercial distribution with 
support, or other such things.

-David

On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

> David:
> 
> You may not remember me, but we met when you worked with Stephen Loosli.
> I think he will remember me too-- I helped him try to raise venture
> capital through Wayne Brown Institute.
> 
> I think Jacques has some good points.  As a newcomer to the project (but
> who has watched it from the outside for several years now), I think the
> project currently has a learning curve that is both intimidating to new
> users, and perhaps much higher than it needs to be.  
> 
> Open source projects really only grow and flower when they get a
> critical mass of users and developers that can take over the bulk of the
> development effort.  Compare NetBSD to Linux, for example.  One uses the
> cathedral model, the other the bazaar.  The more users you have, the
> more developers you get (although that is never a 1:1 proposition).
> Open source is all about "scratching your own itch", so the more users
> you have, the more itches (of all varieties) you have that need
> scratching, and the faster the project develops, though still perhaps
> never in the direction any one person wants.
> 
> But you also make some interesting observations, that I would like to
> comment on.
> 
> On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 14:15 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and
>> maybe not a bad thing.
> 
> Agreed-- human behavior is a natural thing, and probably not bad, though
> often problematic if we have not properly incented or encouraged the
> behavior we want or expect.  
> 
>> Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those
>> who have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much
>> of a return on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you
>> that it's best to get into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when
>> others don't expect a return and aren't investing), and then get out
>> when the market is great (when others do expect a return and are
>> investing a lot). However, the same people will often fail to
>> recognize that such conditions are not only impossible to predict in
>> the future, but also impossible to recognize in the present, and they
>> further fail to recognize that the fact that they were able to invest
>> in a low market and get out when the market picked up was probably
>> just the luck of timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can
>> find one!)... they can't even accurately analyze the present, let
>> alone predict the future... even if they are asked to every day.
> 
> Which means that this is t

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Tim Ruppert

I'm sure we could extract some numbers out of Apache to find out some 
information about it - but since this is moving to an ASF server, the right 
thing would be for us to be talking about how we'd achieve this going forward 
if it's a requirement.  There are tons of spikes - but since this is available 
without login - it gets spidered a lot and the numbers are sometimes not as 
accurate as we'd like.

Ruth, you could send something to infra and ask if it's possible to hear about 
checkout numbers as well - that might be more possible.

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:42 PM, David E Jones wrote:

> 
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> 
>> Hello David:
>> 
>> Would it be possible to get download counts?
> 
> I don't know. That's not really my thing. 
> 
> One big number is probably the SVN checkout and update loads, but I'm not 
> sure if those are available anywhere. That would be an ASF infra thing.
> 
> For the other, the downloads are still on the build.ofbiz.org site which is 
> donated and managed by Hotwax Media and Contegix, so maybe someone involved 
> there could comment.
> 
> -David
> 
> 
>> Here's an interesting statistic I'd like to share with the list: Although 
>> I've only been providing my free download document for the last 5 months or 
>> so, I've seen more activity since the New Year (that would be in the last 18 
>> days) then any other 2 months combined. By activity I mean a user fills out 
>> the survey and then downloads the free "Getting Started w/OFBiz in 5 Steps". 
>> That tells me there is interest out there. We just need to figure out what 
>> the "need" is and how to fill it with OFBiz.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> 
>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com
>> 
>> David E Jones wrote:
>>> I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and maybe 
>>> not a bad thing.
>>> 
>>> Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those who 
>>> have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a 
>>> return on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's 
>>> best to get into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't 
>>> expect a return and aren't investing), and then get out when the market is 
>>> great (when others do expect a return and are investing a lot). However, 
>>> the same people will often fail to recognize that such conditions are not 
>>> only impossible to predict in the future, but also impossible to recognize 
>>> in the present, and they further fail to recognize that the fact that they 
>>> were able to invest in a low market and get out when the market picked up 
>>> was probably just the luck of timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you 
>>> can find one!)... they can't even accurately analyze the present, let alone 
>>> predict the future... even if they are asked to every day.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity 
>>> in OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user 
>>> organizations have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes 
>>> sense because the sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from my 
>>> experience) are getting hit really hard right now and many companies are 
>>> not just cutting back, but totally failing. End-user organizations have 
>>> always been about 90% of my work, but are now down to 0%... and I haven't 
>>> designed or built anything for one in almost a year now. Fortunately there 
>>> are other types of companies out there, but one way or another the demand 
>>> for OFBiz is WAY down as the industries and sizes of businesses it serves 
>>> are hit so hard.
>>> 
>>> From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a company 
>>> a non-profit community-driven open source project has no liabilities and 
>>> there is no way it can just disappear (unless no one is using it, ie it 
>>> falls into irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed to get adequate 
>>> donations of money or server time to keep hosting the project, it could be 
>>> hosted elsewhere, or even turn into some crazy peer managed ecosystem using 
>>> distributed git repositories (some people would love that, but I think it 
>>> would be a nightmare for both contributors and users).
>>> 
>>> In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a 
>>> little bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope and will 
>>> continue to invest in open source projects like OFBiz, which is really an 
>>> investment that developers do in hopes of getting more and better work in 
>>> the future. If people don't feel much hope for that then chances are they 
>>> won't invest as much, and maybe just the hobbyists who want to develop neat 
>>> stuff will be contributing.
>>> 
>>> Sooner or later things will of course pick up, and then we'll

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation


On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hello David:
> 
> Would it be possible to get download counts?

I don't know. That's not really my thing. 

One big number is probably the SVN checkout and update loads, but I'm not sure 
if those are available anywhere. That would be an ASF infra thing.

For the other, the downloads are still on the build.ofbiz.org site which is 
donated and managed by Hotwax Media and Contegix, so maybe someone involved 
there could comment.

-David


> Here's an interesting statistic I'd like to share with the list: Although 
> I've only been providing my free download document for the last 5 months or 
> so, I've seen more activity since the New Year (that would be in the last 18 
> days) then any other 2 months combined. By activity I mean a user fills out 
> the survey and then downloads the free "Getting Started w/OFBiz in 5 Steps". 
> That tells me there is interest out there. We just need to figure out what 
> the "need" is and how to fill it with OFBiz.
> 
> Regards,
> Ruth
> 
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com
> 
> David E Jones wrote:
>> I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and maybe 
>> not a bad thing.
>> 
>> Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those who 
>> have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a return 
>> on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's best to 
>> get into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't expect a 
>> return and aren't investing), and then get out when the market is great 
>> (when others do expect a return and are investing a lot). However, the same 
>> people will often fail to recognize that such conditions are not only 
>> impossible to predict in the future, but also impossible to recognize in the 
>> present, and they further fail to recognize that the fact that they were 
>> able to invest in a low market and get out when the market picked up was 
>> probably just the luck of timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can 
>> find one!)... they can't even accurately analyze the present, let alone 
>> predict the future... even if they are asked to every day.
>> 
>> Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity in 
>> OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user 
>> organizations have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes sense 
>> because the sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from my 
>> experience) are getting hit really hard right now and many companies are not 
>> just cutting back, but totally failing. End-user organizations have always 
>> been about 90% of my work, but are now down to 0%... and I haven't designed 
>> or built anything for one in almost a year now. Fortunately there are other 
>> types of companies out there, but one way or another the demand for OFBiz is 
>> WAY down as the industries and sizes of businesses it serves are hit so hard.
>> 
>> From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a company 
>> a non-profit community-driven open source project has no liabilities and 
>> there is no way it can just disappear (unless no one is using it, ie it 
>> falls into irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed to get adequate 
>> donations of money or server time to keep hosting the project, it could be 
>> hosted elsewhere, or even turn into some crazy peer managed ecosystem using 
>> distributed git repositories (some people would love that, but I think it 
>> would be a nightmare for both contributors and users).
>> 
>> In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a little 
>> bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope and will continue to 
>> invest in open source projects like OFBiz, which is really an investment 
>> that developers do in hopes of getting more and better work in the future. 
>> If people don't feel much hope for that then chances are they won't invest 
>> as much, and maybe just the hobbyists who want to develop neat stuff will be 
>> contributing.
>> 
>> Sooner or later things will of course pick up, and then we'll be back to 
>> complaints about too much going into the project instead of complaints about 
>> not enough. On the other hand, given an infinite potential universe of 
>> things people might want to see in OFBiz, there will ALWAYS be complaints 
>> about things missing that certain people would like to see, or things 
>> organized better for their current requirements, or wishes for free help 
>> instead of peer collaboration.
>> 
>> Oh well, I guess enough pontificating for now, especially since I'm no 
>> pontiff.
>> 
>> -David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> And then, those that invested much, slowly invest less...
>>> 
>>> Jacques
>>> 
>>> From: "BJ Fre

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

On Jan 18, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Axel Van Noten wrote:

> 
> I'm an economist, and I don't believe I can analyse the present.

That's good. Then you have some understanding of market forces and motivations. 
The trick is how to get people to do things, and on top of that how to get them 
to work with others to do things. With code there are lots of reasons to 
collaborate, and some of the nature of code forces people to collaborate if 
they want to work on similar things. With documentation there is not only a 
problem with people finding reasons to work on it and contribute things, but 
even more there is a problem of getting people to collaborate to better 
organize things and reduce duplication of effort.

> I don't see how I can help to change the structure of the documentation. If I 
> can edit the cwiki I'be glad to change the hierarchy as proposed.

Ironically one of the places with the least collaboration is in organizing 
things. Everyone who works on it seems to come in and impose a top-down 
structure and start (but usually not finish) putting things in that structure, 
or they go bottom up and start organizing things and grouping similar things. 
With the second approach there is also rarely finishing, but at least the 
progress can be somewhat cumulative.

You can certainly change things. We have an open space that anyone with an 
account can modify:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ

If you're going to go with the top-down approach I mentioned above, I'd 
recommend doing it in a series of pages that point to other pages rather than 
changing the actual hierarchy (I'm actually rather surprised that with so many 
programmers about people haven't done more of this approach).

There are spaces that don't allow just anyone to edit them, including the 
end-user and technical documentation spaces:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH

The maverick nature of documentation so far clearly shows here... as there is a 
lot to be desired in terms of volume and polish of the documentation. To see 
even more of the maverick nature of doc efforts, you can also look around at 
the various external sites with documentation on them.

> If it will never change, so be it. I just believe it's a pity of this work, 
> people getting started and not finding the f** manual.

Well, to start with try this page (if you haven't already):

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Documentation+Index

Of course, even there you'll notice that it is heavy on technical documentation.

I guess in general there just isn't as much end-user documentation, if that's 
what you're looking for, and what there is tends to be scattered about in the 
open space (ie the confluence/display/OFBIZ URL above).

BTW, my opinion on how end-user documentation should be organized is by 
business process. This would look something like the structure here:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index

I've been trying to find time to get back to this and add an overlap analysis 
to the process stories. That overlap analysis would basically end up as an 
process-organized overview of where to find things in the applications, though 
it wouldn't be any sort of complete description of how to use things and what 
things mean.

Anyway, that's an overview of what's there and some ideas about moving forward. 
That said, how would you like things to work and how are they different from 
what's around now?

-David

> 
>> Subject: Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation
>> From: d...@me.com
>> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:15:45 -0600
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> 
>> 
>> I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and maybe 
>> not a bad thing.
>> 
>> Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those who 
>> have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a return 
>> on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's best to 
>> get into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't expect a 
>> return and aren't investing), and then get out when the market is great 
>> (when others do expect a return and are investing a lot). However, the same 
>> people will often fail to recognize that such conditions are not only 
>> impossible to predict in the future, but also impossible to recognize in the 
>> present, and they further fail to recognize that the fact that they were 
>> able to invest in a low market and get out when the market picked up was 
>> probably just the luck of timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can 
>> find one!)... they can't even accurately analyze the present, let alone 
>> predict the future... even if they are asked to every day.
>> 
>> Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity in 
>> OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user 
>> organi

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation


Hello David:

Would it be possible to get download counts?

Here's an interesting statistic I'd like to share with the list: 
Although I've only been providing my free download document for the last 
5 months or so, I've seen more activity since the New Year (that would 
be in the last 18 days) then any other 2 months combined. By activity I 
mean a user fills out the survey and then downloads the free "Getting 
Started w/OFBiz in 5 Steps". That tells me there is interest out there. 
We just need to figure out what the "need" is and how to fill it with OFBiz.


Regards,
Ruth

Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com

David E Jones wrote:

I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and maybe not 
a bad thing.

Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those who 
have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a return on 
the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's best to get 
into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't expect a return 
and aren't investing), and then get out when the market is great (when others 
do expect a return and are investing a lot). However, the same people will 
often fail to recognize that such conditions are not only impossible to predict 
in the future, but also impossible to recognize in the present, and they 
further fail to recognize that the fact that they were able to invest in a low 
market and get out when the market picked up was probably just the luck of 
timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can find one!)... they can't even 
accurately analyze the present, let alone predict the future... even if they 
are asked to every day.

Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity in 
OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user organizations 
have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes sense because the 
sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from my experience) are 
getting hit really hard right now and many companies are not just cutting back, 
but totally failing. End-user organizations have always been about 90% of my 
work, but are now down to 0%... and I haven't designed or built anything for 
one in almost a year now. Fortunately there are other types of companies out 
there, but one way or another the demand for OFBiz is WAY down as the 
industries and sizes of businesses it serves are hit so hard.

From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a company a 
non-profit community-driven open source project has no liabilities and there is 
no way it can just disappear (unless no one is using it, ie it falls into 
irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed to get adequate donations of money 
or server time to keep hosting the project, it could be hosted elsewhere, or 
even turn into some crazy peer managed ecosystem using distributed git 
repositories (some people would love that, but I think it would be a nightmare 
for both contributors and users).

In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a little 
bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope and will continue to invest 
in open source projects like OFBiz, which is really an investment that 
developers do in hopes of getting more and better work in the future. If people 
don't feel much hope for that then chances are they won't invest as much, and 
maybe just the hobbyists who want to develop neat stuff will be contributing.

Sooner or later things will of course pick up, and then we'll be back to 
complaints about too much going into the project instead of complaints about 
not enough. On the other hand, given an infinite potential universe of things 
people might want to see in OFBiz, there will ALWAYS be complaints about things 
missing that certain people would like to see, or things organized better for 
their current requirements, or wishes for free help instead of peer 
collaboration.

Oh well, I guess enough pontificating for now, especially since I'm no pontiff.

-David



On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

  

And then, those that invested much, slowly invest less...

Jacques

From: "BJ Freeman" 


The missing element is manpower.
Get lots of great Ideas but not many contributors.

Axel Van Noten sent the following on 1/18/2010 6:58 AM:
  

Thanks, I learned a lot.

Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. Would it 
be possible to:

1) have it organised by release,
2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on ofbiz.apache.org), or 
the help button in the application,
3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:

  Getting Started with OFBiz
  OFBiz End User Documentation
  OFBiz Reference Manual
  OFBiz Technical Guide
  OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Matt Warnock

David:

You may not remember me, but we met when you worked with Stephen Loosli.
I think he will remember me too-- I helped him try to raise venture
capital through Wayne Brown Institute.

I think Jacques has some good points.  As a newcomer to the project (but
who has watched it from the outside for several years now), I think the
project currently has a learning curve that is both intimidating to new
users, and perhaps much higher than it needs to be.  

Open source projects really only grow and flower when they get a
critical mass of users and developers that can take over the bulk of the
development effort.  Compare NetBSD to Linux, for example.  One uses the
cathedral model, the other the bazaar.  The more users you have, the
more developers you get (although that is never a 1:1 proposition).
Open source is all about "scratching your own itch", so the more users
you have, the more itches (of all varieties) you have that need
scratching, and the faster the project develops, though still perhaps
never in the direction any one person wants.

But you also make some interesting observations, that I would like to
comment on.

On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 14:15 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and
>  maybe not a bad thing.

Agreed-- human behavior is a natural thing, and probably not bad, though
often problematic if we have not properly incented or encouraged the
behavior we want or expect.  

> Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those
>  who have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much
>  of a return on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you
>  that it's best to get into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when
>  others don't expect a return and aren't investing), and then get out
>  when the market is great (when others do expect a return and are
>  investing a lot). However, the same people will often fail to
>  recognize that such conditions are not only impossible to predict in
>  the future, but also impossible to recognize in the present, and they
>  further fail to recognize that the fact that they were able to invest
>  in a low market and get out when the market picked up was probably
>  just the luck of timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can
>  find one!)... they can't even accurately analyze the present, let
>  alone predict the future... even if they are asked to every day.

Which means that this is the best time (economically, on the macro
level) to invest, right?  

Or perhaps (on the micro level) the reason people aren't investing is
that they are having a hard time seeing the potential payoff in whatever
micro-environment you are looking at, including OFBiz.  

The CPI was down 0.4% in 2009, the biggest loss since about 1955 (before
I was born).  Yet our business was up over 10%.  Best Buy was up over
25%.  People are spending money-- just not where they can't see or
expect an immediate return.

> Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much
>  activity in OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most
>  end-user organizations have pulled back their budgets significantly.
>  That makes sense because the sectors where OFBiz has been strongest
>  (at least from my experience) are getting hit really hard right now
>  and many companies are not just cutting back, but totally failing.
>  End-user organizations have always been about 90% of my work, but are
>  now down to 0%... and I haven't designed or built anything for one in
>  almost a year now. Fortunately there are other types of companies out
>  there, but one way or another the demand for OFBiz is WAY down as the
>  industries and sizes of businesses it serves are hit so hard.

I was tempted to pull the trigger on OFBiz a year or two ago, but was
quoted $10,000 just to customize it for our company, and it was not at
all clear to me 1) what I would get for that sum, and 2) how long it
would take.  That is a hard proposition to sell to your management team.

> From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a
>  company a non-profit community-driven open source project has no
>  liabilities and there is no way it can just disappear (unless no one
>  is using it, ie it falls into irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF
>  failed to get adequate donations of money or server time to keep
>  hosting the project, it could be hosted elsewhere, or even turn into
>  some crazy peer managed ecosystem using distributed git repositories
>  (some people would love that, but I think it would be a nightmare for
>  both contributors and users).

Irrelevancy is the risk, as you point out.  The best software in the
world goes nowhere if no one uses it.   As as Microsoft has shown for
years, crappy software rules the world, if everyone uses it.

> In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a
>  little bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope an

Possible error in signature of saveUpdatedCartToOrder in OrderServices

2010-01-18 Thread Cimballi

Hi,

I think there is an error in the signature of the
saveUpdatedCartToOrder method in the OrderServices class.

Here is the signature :
public static Map saveUpdatedCartToOrder(DispatchContext dctx, Map
context) throws GeneralException

But there is a try-catch bloc in the method for the GeneralException exception.

So the signature could be :
public static Map saveUpdatedCartToOrder(DispatchContext dctx, Map context)

Cimballi

RE: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Axel Van Noten


I'm an economist, and I don't believe I can analyse the present.

 

I don't see how I can help to change the structure of the documentation. If I 
can edit the cwiki I'be glad to change the hierarchy as proposed.

 

If it will never change, so be it. I just believe it's a pity of this work, 
people getting started and not finding the f** manual.

 

Cheers,

Axel
 
> Subject: Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation
> From: d...@me.com
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:15:45 -0600
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> 
> 
> I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and maybe 
> not a bad thing.
> 
> Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those who 
> have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a return 
> on the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's best to 
> get into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't expect a 
> return and aren't investing), and then get out when the market is great (when 
> others do expect a return and are investing a lot). However, the same people 
> will often fail to recognize that such conditions are not only impossible to 
> predict in the future, but also impossible to recognize in the present, and 
> they further fail to recognize that the fact that they were able to invest in 
> a low market and get out when the market picked up was probably just the luck 
> of timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can find one!)... they can't 
> even accurately analyze the present, let alone predict the future... even if 
> they are asked to every day.
> 
> Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity in 
> OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user 
> organizations have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes sense 
> because the sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from my 
> experience) are getting hit really hard right now and many companies are not 
> just cutting back, but totally failing. End-user organizations have always 
> been about 90% of my work, but are now down to 0%... and I haven't designed 
> or built anything for one in almost a year now. Fortunately there are other 
> types of companies out there, but one way or another the demand for OFBiz is 
> WAY down as the industries and sizes of businesses it serves are hit so hard.
> 
> From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a company a 
> non-profit community-driven open source project has no liabilities and there 
> is no way it can just disappear (unless no one is using it, ie it falls into 
> irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed to get adequate donations of 
> money or server time to keep hosting the project, it could be hosted 
> elsewhere, or even turn into some crazy peer managed ecosystem using 
> distributed git repositories (some people would love that, but I think it 
> would be a nightmare for both contributors and users).
> 
> In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a little 
> bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope and will continue to 
> invest in open source projects like OFBiz, which is really an investment that 
> developers do in hopes of getting more and better work in the future. If 
> people don't feel much hope for that then chances are they won't invest as 
> much, and maybe just the hobbyists who want to develop neat stuff will be 
> contributing.
> 
> Sooner or later things will of course pick up, and then we'll be back to 
> complaints about too much going into the project instead of complaints about 
> not enough. On the other hand, given an infinite potential universe of things 
> people might want to see in OFBiz, there will ALWAYS be complaints about 
> things missing that certain people would like to see, or things organized 
> better for their current requirements, or wishes for free help instead of 
> peer collaboration.
> 
> Oh well, I guess enough pontificating for now, especially since I'm no 
> pontiff.
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> 
> > And then, those that invested much, slowly invest less...
> > 
> > Jacques
> > 
> > From: "BJ Freeman" 
> >> The missing element is manpower.
> >> Get lots of great Ideas but not many contributors.
> >> 
> >> Axel Van Noten sent the following on 1/18/2010 6:58 AM:
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks, I learned a lot.
> >>> 
> >>> Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. 
> >>> Would it be possible to:
> >>> 
> >>> 1) have it organised by release,
> >>> 2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on 
> >>> ofbiz.apache.org), or the help button in the application,
> >>> 3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:
> >>> 
> >>> Getting Started with OFBiz
> >>> OFBiz End User Documentation
> >>> OFBiz Reference Manual
> >>> OFBiz Technical Guide
> >>> OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide
> >>> ...
> >>> 
> >>> I know its easy to critici

css problem with ftl ????

Hello,

I have a very strange problem.
I can only imagine that it is dependent on the FTL.

This is my page on the apache server. There is no problem. All things are
beautiful centered.
http://www.olagos.eu/index_d.html

OK the links to the images are not ok at the moment. But you see that here
it is loaded in the center, so that is perfect.

If i load the same files from the embedded tomcat, i have a problem. It is
to say that the container is not put in the center but at the left. The
problem is in the word "auto" on the wrapper tag in the css file. This
word "auto" is not recognized if i generate the html file from within a ftl
file.
 Have a look at the result in :
http://www.olagos.eu/ecommerce/control/main

Anyone an idea on a bug on Freemarker language level. ???

regards,
Heidi

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

I think you're right Jacques, though I also think it's a natural and maybe not 
a bad thing.

Most people in the world aren't investing in much right now, even those who 
have time and/or money to invest, because they don't expect much of a return on 
the investment. Any successful investor will tell you that it's best to get 
into things when it is cheap to invest (ie when others don't expect a return 
and aren't investing), and then get out when the market is great (when others 
do expect a return and are investing a lot). However, the same people will 
often fail to recognize that such conditions are not only impossible to predict 
in the future, but also impossible to recognize in the present, and they 
further fail to recognize that the fact that they were able to invest in a low 
market and get out when the market picked up was probably just the luck of 
timing. Just ask any honest economist (if you can find one!)... they can't even 
accurately analyze the present, let alone predict the future... even if they 
are asked to every day.

Anyway, the point of all of that is that yes there isn't as much activity in 
OFBiz right now. I think this is natural given that most end-user organizations 
have pulled back their budgets significantly. That makes sense because the 
sectors where OFBiz has been strongest (at least from my experience) are 
getting hit really hard right now and many companies are not just cutting back, 
but totally failing. End-user organizations have always been about 90% of my 
work, but are now down to 0%... and I haven't designed or built anything for 
one in almost a year now. Fortunately there are other types of companies out 
there, but one way or another the demand for OFBiz is WAY down as the 
industries and sizes of businesses it serves are hit so hard.

From the perspective of the project what does this matter? Unlike a company a 
non-profit community-driven open source project has no liabilities and there is 
no way it can just disappear (unless no one is using it, ie it falls into 
irrelevancy). Even if somehow the ASF failed to get adequate donations of money 
or server time to keep hosting the project, it could be hosted elsewhere, or 
even turn into some crazy peer managed ecosystem using distributed git 
repositories (some people would love that, but I think it would be a nightmare 
for both contributors and users).

In any case, the worst case scenario is that the project slows down a little 
bit. If we're lucky people won't lose too much hope and will continue to invest 
in open source projects like OFBiz, which is really an investment that 
developers do in hopes of getting more and better work in the future. If people 
don't feel much hope for that then chances are they won't invest as much, and 
maybe just the hobbyists who want to develop neat stuff will be contributing.

Sooner or later things will of course pick up, and then we'll be back to 
complaints about too much going into the project instead of complaints about 
not enough. On the other hand, given an infinite potential universe of things 
people might want to see in OFBiz, there will ALWAYS be complaints about things 
missing that certain people would like to see, or things organized better for 
their current requirements, or wishes for free help instead of peer 
collaboration.

Oh well, I guess enough pontificating for now, especially since I'm no pontiff.

-David

On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> And then, those that invested much, slowly invest less...
> 
> Jacques
> 
> From: "BJ Freeman" 
>> The missing element is manpower.
>> Get lots of great Ideas but not many contributors.
>> 
>> Axel Van Noten sent the following on 1/18/2010 6:58 AM:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, I learned a lot.
>>> 
>>> Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. Would 
>>> it be possible to:
>>> 
>>> 1) have it organised by release,
>>> 2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on 
>>> ofbiz.apache.org), or the help button in the application,
>>> 3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:
>>> 
>>>   Getting Started with OFBiz
>>>   OFBiz End User Documentation
>>>   OFBiz Reference Manual
>>>   OFBiz Technical Guide
>>>   OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide
>>>   ...
>>> 
>>> I know its easy to criticise, but I believe the project would gain a lot 
>>> just by changing these links and making a different hierarchy.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Axel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From BJ Freeman 
>>> Subject Re: OFBiz data load
>>> Date Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:29:38 GMT
>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz%27s+Data+File+Tools
>>> here is a good link for a lot of help
>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo
>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Handling+of+External+data
>>> 
>>> Juan Pablo sent the following on 1/14/2010 8:42 AM:
 Hi Axe

binding ofbiz ports 80|443, non root, without apache

2010-01-18 Thread Whoa!


I am using ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip.  This is a new install is on CentOS
running as a non-root user.  Web services are direct from OFBiz, so no other
front end web server.

I've searched quite a bit but found little on this subject.  Since I wasn't
sure how to proceed, I configured against a separate instance of Tomcat
6.0.16 and added JSVC.  Once Tomcat looked good, I copied JSVC and
supporting files to ofbiz home and changed port settings to 80|443.  

OFBiz/JSVC starts and seems to function just fine, but I'd like guidance on
the proper way to start and stop the application with JSVC as I'm not sure
the method used is correct.  I'll be happy to study docs related to OFBiz
with JSVC if anyone can direct me to the links.  

I then copied jsvc, tools.jar, and commons-daemon.jar to ofbiz home.  Ports
were changed to 80|443 in ./framework/webapp/config/url.properties,
./framework/base/config/ofbiz-containers.xml, and
./framework/service/config/serviceengine.xml.

startofbiz.sh was changed to:
  ./jsvc -pidfile ofbiz.pid -user someNonRootUser -debug -cp
tools.jar:commons-daemon.jar:ofbiz.jar org.ofbiz.base.start.Start

If there is no documentation on this subject now, I'll be happy to
add/submit the steps to the wiki once successfully implemented.

Cheers
David
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Re: Problem entering Purchase Order

2010-01-18 Thread Mridul Pathak

Which revision of OFBiz are you using?

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On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:11 AM, advait75  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I have set up Ofbiz with seed data. I am using the system only to enter
> POs.
> When I try to create a PO I get the following error-
>
> Error calling event: org.ofbiz.webapp.event.EventHandlerException: Problems
> processing event: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: productStoreId cannot
> be null (productStoreId cannot be null)
>
> I obviously am missing something in my data set up. Can somebody please
> tell
> me what I am missing?
>
> I have set up the following -
> 1. 1 party for Internal org
> 2. Products
> 3. Products-Suppliers
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Advait
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>

Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Jacques Le Roux


And then, those that invested much, slowly invest less...

Jacques

From: "BJ Freeman" 

The missing element is manpower.
Get lots of great Ideas but not many contributors.

Axel Van Noten sent the following on 1/18/2010 6:58 AM:


Thanks, I learned a lot.

Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. Would it 
be possible to:

1) have it organised by release,
2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on ofbiz.apache.org), or 
the help button in the application,
3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:

   Getting Started with OFBiz
   OFBiz End User Documentation
   OFBiz Reference Manual
   OFBiz Technical Guide
   OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide
   ...

I know its easy to criticise, but I believe the project would gain a lot just by changing these links and making a different 
hierarchy.


Kind regards,
Axel





From BJ Freeman 
Subject Re: OFBiz data load
Date Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:29:38 GMT
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz%27s+Data+File+Tools
here is a good link for a lot of help
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Handling+of+External+data

Juan Pablo sent the following on 1/14/2010 8:42 AM:

Hi Axel.

1)
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Home

2) http://ofbiz.markmail.org/


On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:30 AM, axel van noten wrote:


Hi



I've been installing OFBiz and looking for the following information:



1) Where is the primary point can I find the most update documentation?



The documentation buton on the OFBiz website and the help button in the
application are both bringing me to the cwiki.apache site. But there seems
to be no clear structure nor a primary point where I can turn to for manuals
and documentation.



2) is there a possibility to perform a text search on this mailing list?



3) I'm trying to load a product database into OFBiz. What would be the
appropriate way to do so? Is this documented somewhere?





Thanks for your help!



Kind regards

Axel

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Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread BJ Freeman

The missing element is manpower.
Get lots of great Ideas but not many contributors.

Axel Van Noten sent the following on 1/18/2010 6:58 AM:
>  
> Thanks, I learned a lot.
>  
> Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. Would 
> it be possible to:
>  
> 1) have it organised by release,
> 2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on ofbiz.apache.org), 
> or the help button in the application,
> 3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:
>  
>Getting Started with OFBiz
>OFBiz End User Documentation
>OFBiz Reference Manual
>OFBiz Technical Guide
>OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide 
>...
>  
> I know its easy to criticise, but I believe the project would gain a lot just 
> by changing these links and making a different hierarchy.
>  
> Kind regards,
> Axel
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From BJ Freeman  
> Subject Re: OFBiz data load 
> Date Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:29:38 GMT 
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz%27s+Data+File+Tools
> here is a good link for a lot of help
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Handling+of+External+data
>  
> Juan Pablo sent the following on 1/14/2010 8:42 AM:
>> Hi Axel.
>>
>> 1)
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Home
>>
>> 2) http://ofbiz.markmail.org/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:30 AM, axel van noten 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been installing OFBiz and looking for the following information:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Where is the primary point can I find the most update documentation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The documentation buton on the OFBiz website and the help button in the
>>> application are both bringing me to the cwiki.apache site. But there seems
>>> to be no clear structure nor a primary point where I can turn to for manuals
>>> and documentation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) is there a possibility to perform a text search on this mailing list?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3) I'm trying to load a product database into OFBiz. What would be the
>>> appropriate way to do so? Is this documented somewhere?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Axel
>>>
>>> _
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>>
>>
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Jacques Le Roux


Have it indexed by Google is something we would have to ask to ASF infra team. 
Because Confluence is shared among Apache projects...

Jacques

From: "Chris Snow" 

+1

Also, have it indexed by google.

Axel Van Noten wrote:

 Thanks, I learned a lot.
 Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. Would it 
be possible to:
 1) have it organised by release,
2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on ofbiz.apache.org), or 
the help button in the application,
3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:
 Getting Started with OFBiz
   OFBiz End User Documentation
   OFBiz Reference Manual
   OFBiz Technical Guide
   OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide ...
 I know its easy to criticise, but I believe the project would gain a lot just by changing these links and making a different 
hierarchy.

 Kind regards,
Axel
 From BJ Freeman  Subject Re: OFBiz data load Date Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:29:38 GMT 
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz%27s+Data+File+Tools

here is a good link for a lot of help
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Handling+of+External+data
 Juan Pablo sent the following on 1/14/2010 8:42 AM:


Hi Axel.

1)
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Home

2) http://ofbiz.markmail.org/


On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:30 AM, axel van noten wrote:



Hi



I've been installing OFBiz and looking for the following information:



1) Where is the primary point can I find the most update documentation?



The documentation buton on the OFBiz website and the help button in the
application are both bringing me to the cwiki.apache site. But there seems
to be no clear structure nor a primary point where I can turn to for manuals
and documentation.



2) is there a possibility to perform a text search on this mailing list?



3) I'm trying to load a product database into OFBiz. What would be the
appropriate way to do so? Is this documented somewhere?





Thanks for your help!



Kind regards

Axel

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Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Hans Bakker

Yes we have started to work in that direction, please check:

http://demo.ofbiz.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML

or in your local installation:
http://localhost:8080/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML

Regards,
Hans



On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 15:58 +0100, Axel Van Noten wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I learned a lot.
>  
> Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. Would 
> it be possible to:
>  
> 1) have it organised by release,
> 2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on ofbiz.apache.org), 
> or the help button in the application,
> 3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:
>  
>Getting Started with OFBiz
>OFBiz End User Documentation
>OFBiz Reference Manual
>OFBiz Technical Guide
>OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide 
>...
>  
> I know its easy to criticise, but I believe the project would gain a lot just 
> by changing these links and making a different hierarchy.
>  
> Kind regards,
> Axel
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From BJ Freeman  
> Subject Re: OFBiz data load 
> Date Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:29:38 GMT 
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz%27s+Data+File+Tools
> here is a good link for a lot of help
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Handling+of+External+data
>  
> Juan Pablo sent the following on 1/14/2010 8:42 AM:
> > Hi Axel.
> > 
> > 1)
> > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
> > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Home
> > 
> > 2) http://ofbiz.markmail.org/
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:30 AM, axel van noten 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've been installing OFBiz and looking for the following information:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Where is the primary point can I find the most update documentation?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The documentation buton on the OFBiz website and the help button in the
> >> application are both bringing me to the cwiki.apache site. But there seems
> >> to be no clear structure nor a primary point where I can turn to for 
> >> manuals
> >> and documentation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2) is there a possibility to perform a text search on this mailing list?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 3) I'm trying to load a product database into OFBiz. What would be the
> >> appropriate way to do so? Is this documented somewhere?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Axel
> >>
> >> _
> >> Keep your friends updated�even when you�re not signed in.
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> > 
> > 
> > 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Chris Snow


+1

Also, have it indexed by google.

Axel Van Noten wrote:
 
Thanks, I learned a lot.
 
Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. Would it be possible to:
 
1) have it organised by release,

2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on ofbiz.apache.org), or 
the help button in the application,
3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:
 
   Getting Started with OFBiz

   OFBiz End User Documentation
   OFBiz Reference Manual
   OFBiz Technical Guide
   OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide 
   ...
 
I know its easy to criticise, but I believe the project would gain a lot just by changing these links and making a different hierarchy.
 
Kind regards,

Axel
 
 
 
 
 
From BJ Freeman  
Subject Re: OFBiz data load 
Date Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:29:38 GMT 
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz%27s+Data+File+Tools

here is a good link for a lot of help
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Handling+of+External+data
 
Juan Pablo sent the following on 1/14/2010 8:42 AM:
  

Hi Axel.

1)
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Home

2) http://ofbiz.markmail.org/


On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:30 AM, axel van noten wrote:



Hi



I've been installing OFBiz and looking for the following information:



1) Where is the primary point can I find the most update documentation?



The documentation buton on the OFBiz website and the help button in the
application are both bringing me to the cwiki.apache site. But there seems
to be no clear structure nor a primary point where I can turn to for manuals
and documentation.



2) is there a possibility to perform a text search on this mailing list?



3) I'm trying to load a product database into OFBiz. What would be the
appropriate way to do so? Is this documented somewhere?





Thanks for your help!



Kind regards

Axel

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Re: OFBiz data load - Documentation

2010-01-18 Thread Axel Van Noten


 
Thanks, I learned a lot.
 
Still, I'm a little bit disappointed about the overall documentation. Would it 
be possible to:
 
1) have it organised by release,
2) link to it immediatly from the documentation buton (on ofbiz.apache.org), or 
the help button in the application,
3) have a clearer structure (per release) like:
 
   Getting Started with OFBiz
   OFBiz End User Documentation
   OFBiz Reference Manual
   OFBiz Technical Guide
   OFBiz Tools and Utilities Guide 
   ...
 
I know its easy to criticise, but I believe the project would gain a lot just 
by changing these links and making a different hierarchy.
 
Kind regards,
Axel
 
 
 
 
 
From BJ Freeman  
Subject Re: OFBiz data load 
Date Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:29:38 GMT 
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz%27s+Data+File+Tools
here is a good link for a lot of help
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Handling+of+External+data
 
Juan Pablo sent the following on 1/14/2010 8:42 AM:
> Hi Axel.
> 
> 1)
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Home
> 
> 2) http://ofbiz.markmail.org/
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:30 AM, axel van noten 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been installing OFBiz and looking for the following information:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) Where is the primary point can I find the most update documentation?
>>
>>
>>
>> The documentation buton on the OFBiz website and the help button in the
>> application are both bringing me to the cwiki.apache site. But there seems
>> to be no clear structure nor a primary point where I can turn to for manuals
>> and documentation.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) is there a possibility to perform a text search on this mailing list?
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) I'm trying to load a product database into OFBiz. What would be the
>> appropriate way to do so? Is this documented somewhere?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Axel
>>
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Re: Fwd: css problem in embedded java web server


Hi Heidi:
Not sure which white column you are referring to. Would it be possible 
to do some screen shots of what you see locally and circle the problem 
are and then send that to me @ ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com?

TIA
Ruth

Info Olagos wrote:

Hello Ruth,

Thanks Ruth but the problem is not solved with a refresh.
Yes, i am using every time the same browser version.

The problem is the white vertical column at the right side you can see.

http://www.olagos.eu/ecommerce/control/main

But i can not understand that this is a server problem? Normally the type of
server doesn't modify the look of the page.

Regards,
Heidi
2010/1/18 Ruth Hoffman 

  

Hi Heidi:
Nice job on the landing page!
IMO, you are probably correct: This is a browser caching problem.
Are you using the same browser for each test? For some versions of IE, I've
read where you have to trick the browser into reloading CSS each time so
that the web page is drawn from scratch everytime.
Hope that helps.
Ruth

Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com


Info Olagos wrote:



 Hello,

I have a new designed first page for ofbiz ecommerce
on:

http://www.olagos.eu/ecommerce/control/main

There is however a problem.

When i load this page in a apache server there is no problem. The
"container" (see css) is in the center of the page.

When i load the same page in the embedded tomcat server from ofbiz release
09.04 which is behind de apache server (ajp13), the "container" part of
the
screen (see css) is displayed at the most left of the page and not in the
middle as it should be.

Normally this seems me not to be a server problem but a client browser
version problem.
However here i have a difference of the viewed page when it is stored on
the
apache immediately or on the tomcat server behind the apache.

Can anyone give me a hint how to solve this and what the problem can be??

regards,
Heidi

Re: Fwd: css problem in embedded java web server

Hello Ruth,

Thanks Ruth but the problem is not solved with a refresh.
Yes, i am using every time the same browser version.

The problem is the white vertical column at the right side you can see.

http://www.olagos.eu/ecommerce/control/main

But i can not understand that this is a server problem? Normally the type of
server doesn't modify the look of the page.

Regards,
Heidi
2010/1/18 Ruth Hoffman 

> Hi Heidi:
> Nice job on the landing page!
> IMO, you are probably correct: This is a browser caching problem.
> Are you using the same browser for each test? For some versions of IE, I've
> read where you have to trick the browser into reloading CSS each time so
> that the web page is drawn from scratch everytime.
> Hope that helps.
> Ruth
> 
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com
>
>
> Info Olagos wrote:
>
>>  Hello,
>>
>> I have a new designed first page for ofbiz ecommerce
>> on:
>>
>> http://www.olagos.eu/ecommerce/control/main
>>
>> There is however a problem.
>>
>> When i load this page in a apache server there is no problem. The
>> "container" (see css) is in the center of the page.
>>
>> When i load the same page in the embedded tomcat server from ofbiz release
>> 09.04 which is behind de apache server (ajp13), the "container" part of
>> the
>> screen (see css) is displayed at the most left of the page and not in the
>> middle as it should be.
>>
>> Normally this seems me not to be a server problem but a client browser
>> version problem.
>> However here i have a difference of the viewed page when it is stored on
>> the
>> apache immediately or on the tomcat server behind the apache.
>>
>> Can anyone give me a hint how to solve this and what the problem can be??
>>
>> regards,
>> Heidi
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Fwd: css problem in embedded java web server


Hi Heidi:
Nice job on the landing page!
IMO, you are probably correct: This is a browser caching problem.
Are you using the same browser for each test? For some versions of IE, 
I've read where you have to trick the browser into reloading CSS each 
time so that the web page is drawn from scratch everytime.

Hope that helps.
Ruth

Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com

Info Olagos wrote:

 Hello,

I have a new designed first page for ofbiz ecommerce
on:

http://www.olagos.eu/ecommerce/control/main

There is however a problem.

When i load this page in a apache server there is no problem. The
"container" (see css) is in the center of the page.

When i load the same page in the embedded tomcat server from ofbiz release
09.04 which is behind de apache server (ajp13), the "container" part of the
screen (see css) is displayed at the most left of the page and not in the
middle as it should be.

Normally this seems me not to be a server problem but a client browser
version problem.
However here i have a difference of the viewed page when it is stored on the
apache immediately or on the tomcat server behind the apache.

Can anyone give me a hint how to solve this and what the problem can be??

regards,
Heidi

Re: SV: accounting

2010-01-18 Thread malin . nicolas

No, or not writing by neogia team's. If I want revert Naccounting
improvement in OFBiz, it's the first operation that will do.

Nicolas

> Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences
> between
> OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?
>
> Med vennlig hilsen
> Torstein Hegbom
> IT Polaris A/S
> tlf: 95832697
>
>
> -Opprinnelig melding-
> Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:info.ola...@gmail.com]
> Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
> Til: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Emne: Re: accounting
>
> Thanks Nicolas,
>
> Interesting to know this information.
>
> C'est bien de savoir cette information.
>
> Merci, thanks,
>
> Heidi
>
> 2010/1/18 
>
>> Hello Heidi,
>>
>> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz accounting
>> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
>> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
>> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back on
>> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>>
>> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to
>> make
>> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
>> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
>> fonctionnal event)
>>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
>> french income statement
>> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>>
>> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
>> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for
>> an
>> other state with change TerCompta.
>>
>>
>> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>> > Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
>> The
>> > Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
>> > "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will
> be
>> > released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
>> > I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
>> > hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
>> > things are going...
>> >
>> > Jacques
>> >
>> > From: "Info Olagos" 
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I have downloaded the source code.
>> > It is using a separate component naccounting.
>> >
>> > Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
>> > things)
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > Heidi
>> >
>> > 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux 
>> >
>> >> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
>> >> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
>> >>
>> >> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia
>> team
>> >> uses
>> >> GPL...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jacques
>> >>
>> >> From: "Info Olagos" 
>> >> Jacques,
>> >>
>> >> Is there source code available from tercompta?
>> >>
>> >> regards,
>> >> Heidi
>> >>
>> >> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos 
>> >>
>> >> thanks Jacques,
>> >>>
>> >>> very interesting info !
>> >>>
>> >>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
>> >>> investigate
>> >>> it
>> >>> further in detail.
>> >>>
>> >>> regards,
>> >>> Heidi
>> >>>
>> >>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux 
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, it's the same in France
>> >>>
>>  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
>> 
>>  Jacques
>> 
>>  From: "Info Olagos" 
>> 
>>  Hello Carsten,
>> 
>>  In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a
>> minimum
>>  definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
>> 
>>  So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo
>> data.
>> 
>>  Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
>>  accounts
>>  is
>>  for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
>> 
>>  regards,
>>  Heidi
>> 
>>  2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer 
>> 
>>  Morning Heidi,
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> > indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
>> > decision
>> > which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
>> > account
>> > definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized
>> per
>> > customer.
>> >
>> > An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
>> > that
>> > work,
>> > e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
>> > Let me know your thoughts.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> > Carsten
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/1/15 Info Olagos 
>> >
>> > > Carsten,
>> > >
>> > > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
>> > >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
>> > > to be localised.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Heidi
>> > >
>> > > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer 
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Jacopo,
>> > > >

Fwd: css problem in embedded java web server

 Hello,

I have a new designed first page for ofbiz ecommerce
on:

http://www.olagos.eu/ecommerce/control/main

There is however a problem.

When i load this page in a apache server there is no problem. The
"container" (see css) is in the center of the page.

When i load the same page in the embedded tomcat server from ofbiz release
09.04 which is behind de apache server (ajp13), the "container" part of the
screen (see css) is displayed at the most left of the page and not in the
middle as it should be.

Normally this seems me not to be a server problem but a client browser
version problem.
However here i have a difference of the viewed page when it is stored on the
apache immediately or on the tomcat server behind the apache.

Can anyone give me a hint how to solve this and what the problem can be??

regards,
Heidi

SV: accounting

2010-01-18 Thread Torstein Hegbom

Is there a document (in English) that outlines the main differences between
OFBiz accounting and the nAccounting?

Med vennlig hilsen
Torstein Hegbom
IT Polaris A/S
tlf: 95832697


-Opprinnelig melding-
Fra: Info Olagos [mailto:info.ola...@gmail.com] 
Sendt: 18. januar 2010 13:28
Til: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Emne: Re: accounting

Thanks Nicolas,

Interesting to know this information.

C'est bien de savoir cette information.

Merci, thanks,

Heidi

2010/1/18 

> Hello Heidi,
>
> TerCompta works on neogia accounting components and not OFBiz accounting
> components. Why ? When I started five years ago on OFBiz we need an
> accounting europeen system and we do an error to create a new component
> (inspired from baan accounting system). I hope on next years, go back on
> ofbiz accounting and contribute tu main project.
>
> But actually TerCompta is only an addon that embded easier screen to make
> accounting for small businness. It's use many addon :
>  naccounting-base : to manage account, period and entries
>  naccounting-integ : to use integration engine (you have some event in
> your system and with define rules you up in you accounting entries by
> fonctionnal event)
>  naccouting-french-document : contains an hierarchy account use to make
> french income statement
> (you can show all on addons.neogia.org/addons)
>
> TerCompta do not have french account define, and you can create a new
> addon with an other hierarchy account and income statement document for an
> other state with change TerCompta.
>
>
> If you have more question, I am available ;)
>
> Nicolas
>
> > Yes nAccounting is specific to Neogia. It *replaces* OFBiz accounting.
> The
> > Noegia team is working (for one year now) on so called
> > "addons". And if I have well understood, when the addons mechanim will
be
> > released you will be able to plugin nAccounting in OFBiz.
> > I have always found weird their way of doing it (instead of using
> > hot-deploy overrides capabilities and such), but this is how
> > things are going...
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "Info Olagos" 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have downloaded the source code.
> > It is using a separate component naccounting.
> >
> > Need to investigate it further. (so means i need time for all these
> > things)
> >
> > regards,
> > Heidi
> >
> > 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux 
> >
> >> Yes sure, it's maintained by Nicolas Malin from libreenberry
> >> http://librenberry.net/spip.php?article21
> >>
> >> I'm not quite sure about the licence, most of the time the Neogia team
> >> uses
> >> GPL...
> >>
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "Info Olagos" 
> >> Jacques,
> >>
> >> Is there source code available from tercompta?
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Heidi
> >>
> >> 2010/1/16 Info Olagos 
> >>
> >> thanks Jacques,
> >>>
> >>> very interesting info !
> >>>
> >>> Seems to be quite the same as the belgium system but have to
> >>> investigate
> >>> it
> >>> further in detail.
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>> Heidi
> >>>
> >>> 2010/1/16 Jacques Le Roux 
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it's the same in France
> >>>
>  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_comptable_%28France%29
> 
>  Jacques
> 
>  From: "Info Olagos" 
> 
>  Hello Carsten,
> 
>  In some countries like in Belgium it is obliged to maintain a minimum
>  definition of a chart of accounts in the accountancy.
> 
>  So i think for these countries it is not to be defined as demo data.
> 
>  Perhaps other members of this list can inform me if the chart of
>  accounts
>  is
>  for a minimum legally binded by the member state in their country?
> 
>  regards,
>  Heidi
> 
>  2010/1/15 Carsten Schinzer 
> 
>  Morning Heidi,
> 
> >
> >
> > indeed I thought  that as well, but finally, it's each company's
> > decision
> > which GL they would like to use; hence I rather think the demo
> > account
> > definitions are what they are: DEMO data. Hence to be customized per
> > customer.
> >
> > An option would be to define various "boilerplate" demo data sets
> > that
> > work,
> > e.g. a GL that reflects typical Charts of accounts.
> > Let me know your thoughts.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> >
> > 2010/1/15 Info Olagos 
> >
> > > Carsten,
> > >
> > > I think you should set also in your i18n document on wiki, the
> > >  DemoGeneralChartOfAccounts.xml GlAccount demo
> > > to be localised.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Heidi
> > >
> > > 2010/1/14 Carsten Schinzer 
> > >
> > > > Hi Jacopo,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > well  e  sort of in the middle of it.
> > > > I can  thus attach examples of what I did so far, but it's all
> > untested
> > > > yet.
> > > >
> > > > I am especially stuck on the part t hat connects the GL setting
> > to
> > OFBiz
> > > > specifics such as InvoiceItems, default acc

Re: accounting