Re: apache spark on gitter?

[Sean Owen]

We'll have to be careful to not present this as an official project
chat, since it's not affiliated. Even calling it
apache-spark.slack.com is potentially problematic since it gives some
impression it's from the ASF.

Ideally, call this something that is unambiguously not related to
Apache itself, even as it is possible to make it clear it does refer
to Apache Spark.

Since this has come up in recent memory, I have a good link handy for
the interested:

http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Paweł Szulc  wrote:
> I've just created https://apache-spark.slack.com
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Paweł Szulc  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> well I guess the advantage of gitter over maling list is the same as with
>> IRC. It's not actually a replacer because mailing list is also important.
>> But it is lot easier to build a community around tool with ad-hoc ability to
>> connect with each other.
>>
>> I have gitter running on constantly, I visit my favorite OSS projects on
>> it from time to time to read what has recently happened. It allows me to
>> stay in touch with the project, help fellow developers to with problems they
>> have.
>> One might argue that u can achive the same with mailing list, well it's
>> hard for me to put this into words.. Malinig list is more of an async nature
>> (which is good!) but some times you need more "real-time" experience. You
>> know, engage in the conversation in the given moment, not conversation that
>> might last few days :)
>>
>> TLDR: It is not a replacement, it's supplement to build the community
>> around OSS. Worth having for real-time conversations.
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Xinh Huynh  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Pawel,
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear more about your idea. Could you explain more why you
>>> would like to have a gitter channel? What are the advantages over a mailing
>>> list (like this one)? Have you had good experiences using gitter on other
>>> open source projects?
>>>
>>> Xinh
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Sean Owen  wrote:

 I don't know of a gitter channel and I don't use it myself, FWIW. I
 think anyone's welcome to start one.

 I hesitate to recommend this, simply because it's preferable to have
 one place for discussion rather than split it over several, and, we
 have to keep the @spark.apache.org mailing lists as the "forums of
 records" for project discussions.

 If something like gitter doesn't attract any chat, then it doesn't add
 any value. If it does though, then suddenly someone needs to subscribe
 to user@ and gitter to follow all of the conversations.

 I think there is a bit of a scalability problem on the user@ list at
 the moment, just because it covers all of Spark. But adding a
 different all-Spark channel doesn't help that.

 Anyway maybe that's "why"


 On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Paweł Szulc 
 wrote:
 > no answer, but maybe one more time, a gitter channel for spark users
 > would
 > be a good idea!
 >
 > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Paweł Szulc 
 > wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi,
 >>
 >> I was wondering - why Spark does not have a gitter channel?
 >>
 >> --
 >> Regards,
 >> Paul Szulc
 >>
 >> twitter: @rabbitonweb
 >> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > --
 > Regards,
 > Paul Szulc
 >
 > twitter: @rabbitonweb
 > blog: www.rabbitonweb.com

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>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
>
>
>
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Re: apache spark on gitter?

[Paweł Szulc]

I've just created https://apache-spark.slack.com

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Paweł Szulc  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> well I guess the advantage of gitter over maling list is the same as with
> IRC. It's not actually a replacer because mailing list is also important.
> But it is lot easier to build a community around tool with ad-hoc ability
> to connect with each other.
>
> I have gitter running on constantly, I visit my favorite OSS projects on
> it from time to time to read what has recently happened. It allows me to
> stay in touch with the project, help fellow developers to with problems
> they have.
> One might argue that u can achive the same with mailing list, well it's
> hard for me to put this into words.. Malinig list is more of an async
> nature (which is good!) but some times you need more "real-time"
> experience. You know, engage in the conversation in the given moment, not
> conversation that might last few days :)
>
> TLDR: It is not a replacement, it's supplement to build the community
> around OSS. Worth having for real-time conversations.
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Xinh Huynh  wrote:
>
>> Hi Pawel,
>>
>> I'd like to hear more about your idea. Could you explain more why you
>> would like to have a gitter channel? What are the advantages over a mailing
>> list (like this one)? Have you had good experiences using gitter on other
>> open source projects?
>>
>> Xinh
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Sean Owen  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know of a gitter channel and I don't use it myself, FWIW. I
>>> think anyone's welcome to start one.
>>>
>>> I hesitate to recommend this, simply because it's preferable to have
>>> one place for discussion rather than split it over several, and, we
>>> have to keep the @spark.apache.org mailing lists as the "forums of
>>> records" for project discussions.
>>>
>>> If something like gitter doesn't attract any chat, then it doesn't add
>>> any value. If it does though, then suddenly someone needs to subscribe
>>> to user@ and gitter to follow all of the conversations.
>>>
>>> I think there is a bit of a scalability problem on the user@ list at
>>> the moment, just because it covers all of Spark. But adding a
>>> different all-Spark channel doesn't help that.
>>>
>>> Anyway maybe that's "why"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Paweł Szulc 
>>> wrote:
>>> > no answer, but maybe one more time, a gitter channel for spark users
>>> would
>>> > be a good idea!
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Paweł Szulc 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I was wondering - why Spark does not have a gitter channel?
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Paul Szulc
>>> >>
>>> >> twitter: @rabbitonweb
>>> >> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Paul Szulc
>>> >
>>> > twitter: @rabbitonweb
>>> > blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>>>
>>> -
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscr...@spark.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: user-h...@spark.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Paul Szulc
>
> twitter: @rabbitonweb
> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>



-- 
Regards,
Paul Szulc

twitter: @rabbitonweb
blog: www.rabbitonweb.com

Re: apache spark on gitter?

[Xinh Huynh]

I agree that it can help build a community and be a place for real-time
conversations.

Xinh

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Paweł Szulc  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> well I guess the advantage of gitter over maling list is the same as with
> IRC. It's not actually a replacer because mailing list is also important.
> But it is lot easier to build a community around tool with ad-hoc ability
> to connect with each other.
>
> I have gitter running on constantly, I visit my favorite OSS projects on
> it from time to time to read what has recently happened. It allows me to
> stay in touch with the project, help fellow developers to with problems
> they have.
> One might argue that u can achive the same with mailing list, well it's
> hard for me to put this into words.. Malinig list is more of an async
> nature (which is good!) but some times you need more "real-time"
> experience. You know, engage in the conversation in the given moment, not
> conversation that might last few days :)
>
> TLDR: It is not a replacement, it's supplement to build the community
> around OSS. Worth having for real-time conversations.
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Xinh Huynh  wrote:
>
>> Hi Pawel,
>>
>> I'd like to hear more about your idea. Could you explain more why you
>> would like to have a gitter channel? What are the advantages over a mailing
>> list (like this one)? Have you had good experiences using gitter on other
>> open source projects?
>>
>> Xinh
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Sean Owen  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know of a gitter channel and I don't use it myself, FWIW. I
>>> think anyone's welcome to start one.
>>>
>>> I hesitate to recommend this, simply because it's preferable to have
>>> one place for discussion rather than split it over several, and, we
>>> have to keep the @spark.apache.org mailing lists as the "forums of
>>> records" for project discussions.
>>>
>>> If something like gitter doesn't attract any chat, then it doesn't add
>>> any value. If it does though, then suddenly someone needs to subscribe
>>> to user@ and gitter to follow all of the conversations.
>>>
>>> I think there is a bit of a scalability problem on the user@ list at
>>> the moment, just because it covers all of Spark. But adding a
>>> different all-Spark channel doesn't help that.
>>>
>>> Anyway maybe that's "why"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Paweł Szulc 
>>> wrote:
>>> > no answer, but maybe one more time, a gitter channel for spark users
>>> would
>>> > be a good idea!
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Paweł Szulc 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I was wondering - why Spark does not have a gitter channel?
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Paul Szulc
>>> >>
>>> >> twitter: @rabbitonweb
>>> >> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Paul Szulc
>>> >
>>> > twitter: @rabbitonweb
>>> > blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>>>
>>> -
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscr...@spark.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: user-h...@spark.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Paul Szulc
>
> twitter: @rabbitonweb
> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>

Re: apache spark on gitter?

[Paweł Szulc]

Hi,

well I guess the advantage of gitter over maling list is the same as with
IRC. It's not actually a replacer because mailing list is also important.
But it is lot easier to build a community around tool with ad-hoc ability
to connect with each other.

I have gitter running on constantly, I visit my favorite OSS projects on it
from time to time to read what has recently happened. It allows me to stay
in touch with the project, help fellow developers to with problems they
have.
One might argue that u can achive the same with mailing list, well it's
hard for me to put this into words.. Malinig list is more of an async
nature (which is good!) but some times you need more "real-time"
experience. You know, engage in the conversation in the given moment, not
conversation that might last few days :)

TLDR: It is not a replacement, it's supplement to build the community
around OSS. Worth having for real-time conversations.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Xinh Huynh  wrote:

> Hi Pawel,
>
> I'd like to hear more about your idea. Could you explain more why you
> would like to have a gitter channel? What are the advantages over a mailing
> list (like this one)? Have you had good experiences using gitter on other
> open source projects?
>
> Xinh
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Sean Owen  wrote:
>
>> I don't know of a gitter channel and I don't use it myself, FWIW. I
>> think anyone's welcome to start one.
>>
>> I hesitate to recommend this, simply because it's preferable to have
>> one place for discussion rather than split it over several, and, we
>> have to keep the @spark.apache.org mailing lists as the "forums of
>> records" for project discussions.
>>
>> If something like gitter doesn't attract any chat, then it doesn't add
>> any value. If it does though, then suddenly someone needs to subscribe
>> to user@ and gitter to follow all of the conversations.
>>
>> I think there is a bit of a scalability problem on the user@ list at
>> the moment, just because it covers all of Spark. But adding a
>> different all-Spark channel doesn't help that.
>>
>> Anyway maybe that's "why"
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Paweł Szulc 
>> wrote:
>> > no answer, but maybe one more time, a gitter channel for spark users
>> would
>> > be a good idea!
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Paweł Szulc 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I was wondering - why Spark does not have a gitter channel?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Paul Szulc
>> >>
>> >> twitter: @rabbitonweb
>> >> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Paul Szulc
>> >
>> > twitter: @rabbitonweb
>> > blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>>
>> -
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscr...@spark.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: user-h...@spark.apache.org
>>
>>
>


-- 
Regards,
Paul Szulc

twitter: @rabbitonweb
blog: www.rabbitonweb.com

Re: apache spark on gitter?

[Xinh Huynh]

Hi Pawel,

I'd like to hear more about your idea. Could you explain more why you would
like to have a gitter channel? What are the advantages over a mailing list
(like this one)? Have you had good experiences using gitter on other open
source projects?

Xinh

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Sean Owen  wrote:

> I don't know of a gitter channel and I don't use it myself, FWIW. I
> think anyone's welcome to start one.
>
> I hesitate to recommend this, simply because it's preferable to have
> one place for discussion rather than split it over several, and, we
> have to keep the @spark.apache.org mailing lists as the "forums of
> records" for project discussions.
>
> If something like gitter doesn't attract any chat, then it doesn't add
> any value. If it does though, then suddenly someone needs to subscribe
> to user@ and gitter to follow all of the conversations.
>
> I think there is a bit of a scalability problem on the user@ list at
> the moment, just because it covers all of Spark. But adding a
> different all-Spark channel doesn't help that.
>
> Anyway maybe that's "why"
>
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Paweł Szulc  wrote:
> > no answer, but maybe one more time, a gitter channel for spark users
> would
> > be a good idea!
> >
> > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Paweł Szulc 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I was wondering - why Spark does not have a gitter channel?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Paul Szulc
> >>
> >> twitter: @rabbitonweb
> >> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Paul Szulc
> >
> > twitter: @rabbitonweb
> > blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>
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> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscr...@spark.apache.org
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>
>

Re: apache spark on gitter?

[Sean Owen]

I don't know of a gitter channel and I don't use it myself, FWIW. I
think anyone's welcome to start one.

I hesitate to recommend this, simply because it's preferable to have
one place for discussion rather than split it over several, and, we
have to keep the @spark.apache.org mailing lists as the "forums of
records" for project discussions.

If something like gitter doesn't attract any chat, then it doesn't add
any value. If it does though, then suddenly someone needs to subscribe
to user@ and gitter to follow all of the conversations.

I think there is a bit of a scalability problem on the user@ list at
the moment, just because it covers all of Spark. But adding a
different all-Spark channel doesn't help that.

Anyway maybe that's "why"


On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Paweł Szulc  wrote:
> no answer, but maybe one more time, a gitter channel for spark users would
> be a good idea!
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Paweł Szulc  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was wondering - why Spark does not have a gitter channel?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Paul Szulc
>>
>> twitter: @rabbitonweb
>> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Paul Szulc
>
> twitter: @rabbitonweb
> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com

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Re: apache spark on gitter?

[Paweł Szulc]

no answer, but maybe one more time, a gitter channel for spark users would
be a good idea!

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Paweł Szulc  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering - why Spark does not have a gitter channel?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Paul Szulc
>
> twitter: @rabbitonweb
> blog: www.rabbitonweb.com
>



-- 
Regards,
Paul Szulc

twitter: @rabbitonweb
blog: www.rabbitonweb.com