RE: Re: Struts vs .NET???
-Original Message- . . . What makes you think http://wiki.apache.org/struts/PoweredBy is a struts site? Don't give wrong information. . . . Technology columnist and editor -/Original Message - No wonder I have such a low consideration for technology columns and their writers... He just passed you a link where you can look up a lot of links to sites using struts. That's quite a bit more intelligent than copying all the information already stored in a publicily available place. Sort of: like .net vs Struts: Struts invites you not to copy, but rather use the indirection .Net invites you to copy Alexander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Lots of links on internet. I asked him to give particular links so we can analyze the structure of the site and how many struts were used there. The link he gave many are just information about struts. Some are broken links. Maybe you can tell your struts sites. I don't use .net. and I would be glad to see more and more complex sites using struts technologies. Unfortunately, some guys who have no real experience just try to complicated the discussion by accusing people. So now I state clearly: 1. I am a java and open source fan. No .net would be used in my real applications except web services. amd I think struts is a great framework. 2. I believe many struts classes should be generated by tools, GUI or non GUI, in real application, so it would be easier and cheaper for struts application development. 3. I ask those inexperienced programmers to show their sites because they only use buzz words and pretended they are experts of struts. If you disagree with me, just disagree with me on above three statements. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor a href=http://www.cppunit.org/article/index.jsp?rclient=0080;http://www.usanalyst.com/a a href=http://www.getusjobs.com/jobsite/index.jsp?rclient=0080;http://www.getusjobs.com/a (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: RE: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:44:42 +0200 -Original Message- . . . What makes you think http://wiki.apache.org/struts/PoweredBy is a struts site? Don't give wrong information. . . . Technology columnist and editor -/Original Message - No wonder I have such a low consideration for technology columns and their writers... He just passed you a link where you can look up a lot of links to sites using struts. That's quite a bit more intelligent than copying all the information already stored in a publicily available place. Sort of: like .net vs Struts: Struts invites you not to copy, but rather use the indirection .Net invites you to copy Alexander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor a href=http://www.cppunit.org/article/index.jsp?rclient=0080;http://www.usanalyst.com/a a href=http://www.getusjobs.com/jobsite/index.jsp?rclient=0080;http://www.getusjobs.com/a (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???
No, I don't. This is a really superficial analysis. On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: V., in any cases of programming, more lines and more classes means more work and more money. Don't you agree? Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: netsql To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:30:31 -0700 Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year, now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to cut those 5 million dollars. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor Ahh.. you are an editor... and not a programmer. In that case your logic is right. .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm -- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back. ~Dakota Jack~ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???
I agree w/ Dakota on this. Using a lines of code metric to measure cost is about as valid as saying Well, gee, M$'s stock prices are way higher than Sun's, so we should use .net! (Which, incidentally was the approach used where I work. Scary.) This thread is retarded. The intent is to decide which is better: .net, or Java/j2ee/JSF. Bottom line: THEY ALL SUCK. Period. If any of these is the pinnacle of human accomplishment, we are truly screwed. Not only that, but the comparison is totally pointless. Without some context, it is impossible to say which is better FOR YOUR NEEDS. The question is like Which is better: Pork or Chicken? I am adding an auto-delete filter on this thread...what a waste of brain cells and bandwidth. Larry On 7/2/05, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't. This is a really superficial analysis. On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in any cases of programming, more lines and more classes means more work and more money. Don't you agree? Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Mr .V, Do you know html? You claim you are a programmer? What makes you think http://wiki.apache.org/struts/PoweredBy is a struts site? Don't give wrong information. As for another link of C#, I use Linux so I am really only interest in web services of .net, which I may use. Since I don't want some Empire control internet, I use free or open source. You can not piss me off because how wonderful MS products are because I don't use them in general. Good try. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: netsql To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:56:23 -0700 John Henry Xu wrote: So tell me what does the owner of your company think most important? He is probably thinking how to get rid of ineffective managers. What is your agenda, to come tell us your's is bigger? There are plenty of large Struts sites, if that is what your aim was: http://wiki.apache.org/struts/PoweredBy And now this is realy going to piss you off: You can do Apache Struts MVC in C#: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/struts/sandbox/trunk/overdrive/Nexus/Core/?rev=208875 .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm
Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???
V., in any cases of programming, more lines and more classes means more work and more money. Don't you agree? Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: netsql To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:30:31 -0700 Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year, now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to cut those 5 million dollars. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor Ahh.. you are an editor... and not a programmer. In that case your logic is right. .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm
Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???
.V, I was working on Java until I became a manager. The discussion seems go to the direction of GUI vs. no GUI. My intention was automating the coding process. In struts and EJB, lots of codes fit into patterns and can be automated. I was actually developing command line automation utilities to do that without GUI. Another example of good automation is Ant and NAnt that can automate routine build jobs and thus reduce the cost of software development. Money is the No. 1 factor for a owner/manager. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: netsql To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:54:42 -0700 Yan Hu wrote: How long did it take you to be this productive? Obviously, you are expensive for all the hard work you did in the past. But a bum who needs only 10 dollars hours could do the same thing with FrontPage as you would. Why would I pay you 50 dollars an hours to just draw a couple of buttons on a form? --- John Henry Xu wrote: Good point. Sometimes you want a Picaso, and sometimes you want a $10 painting. In my shop, GUI tools for Swing or UI, such as VS, are not allowed. You must make UI handcoding it. You'll just have to take my word that it's *MUCH* more productive to hand code a UI when you are building a complex UI. .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm
