Re: [OT] Re: MySQL Monitoring
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Frans Thamura wrote: >> my concept is like programmer factory > > Oh. That sounds depressing. > i make this program because several reason, the data we have 3.5 millions highschoo, 770 go to univs around 80% cannot work, and i just initiate the idea to help them get better work than below. 1. if they canoot pass the program, they will work in factory , work in real factory, become technicial, assember of t-shirt etc 2. if they cannot work in factory they will work as servant in several country, and we have a different culture with mid east, like in mid east woman cannot smile to the man, but here, we must smile to everyone. if she smiles, mean she is prostitution... usually they will be abused, crime, rape etc..because of the smile.. CMIIW. here, factory worker also have problem, because the goverment regulation and several gangster movement anyway take a look to www.blueoxygen.net or www.blueoxygen.org that is our program F - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: MySQL Monitoring
Frans Thamura wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Frans Thamura wrote: my concept is like programmer factory Oh. That sounds depressing. i make this program because several reason, Your motiviation is great. You seem to worry too much about whether this technology is the "right" technology. I think that doesn't matter; S2 is pretty good and pretty easy to learn so it seems a good place to start with Java. If, in the worst case, all interest in S2 disappears in a year or two, the skills obtained are still relevant to any other request-oriented Java framework. I'd also go so far as to so that by learning a request oriented framework rather than a component-oriented one they will have a better understanding of the fundamentals. I have met many ASP.net developers that have no idea whatsoever what a "postback" is and can't differentiate between client-side and server-side handling which is a concern to me but fine for people that need to output a quick short-lived website. Your training program should try to introduce them to all methodologies and the benefits of each; it's all good and all positive. Prepare your program for the possibility that technology trends change; make that a core strength of your program (developing their skills to be good programmers and adapt to the changes). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: MySQL Monitoring
> Your motiviation is great. You seem to worry too much about whether this > technology is the "right" technology. I think that doesn't matter; S2 is > pretty good and pretty easy to learn so it seems a good place to start with > Java. If, in the worst case, all interest in S2 disappears in a year or does this S2 gone ? so the future will be JSF with facelet? F - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: MySQL Monitoring
+1 --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Jeromy Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jeromy Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] Re: MySQL Monitoring > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 8:59 PM > Frans Thamura wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Dave Newton > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Frans Thamura wrote: > >> > >>> my concept is like programmer factory > >>> > >> Oh. That sounds depressing. > >> > >> > > > > i make this program because several reason, > > > > > > > Your motiviation is great. You seem to worry too much > about whether > this technology is the "right" technology. I > think that doesn't matter; > S2 is pretty good and pretty easy to learn so it seems a > good place to > start with Java. If, in the worst case, all interest in S2 > disappears > in a year or two, the skills obtained are still relevant to > any other > request-oriented Java framework. I'd also go so far as > to so that by > learning a request oriented framework rather than a > component-oriented > one they will have a better understanding of the > fundamentals. I have > met many ASP.net developers that have no idea whatsoever > what a > "postback" is and can't differentiate between > client-side and > server-side handling which is a concern to me but fine for > people that > need to output a quick short-lived website. Your training > program should > try to introduce them to all methodologies and the benefits > of each; > it's all good and all positive. Prepare your program > for the > possibility that technology trends change; make that a core > strength of > your program (developing their skills to be good > programmers and adapt > to the changes). > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: MySQL Monitoring
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, Frans Thamura wrote: > does this S2 gone ? > so the future will be JSF with facelet? I don't know of any good way to predict that. I mean, look how long its taken JSF to get where it is today (and I *still* don't know anybody that uses it)! It's a fickle world. More likely the future is something that hasn't been written yet. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: MySQL Monitoring
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Frans Thamura wrote: >> does this S2 gone ? >> so the future will be JSF with facelet? > > I don't know of any good way to predict that. I mean, look how long its taken > JSF to get where it is today (and I *still* don't know anybody that uses it)! > i have a program to introduce JSF also, based on JEDI Web Programming (JSF, JDBC, servlet). the problem we use S2 here in our integration framework. and appfuse is to complex to start... > It's a fickle world. More likely the future is something that hasn't been > written yet. > :) so S2 still ok in the next 3-4 years? F - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: MySQL Monitoring
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Frans Thamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > :) so S2 still ok in the next 3-4 years? > the idea is, there are around 3 million high schools graduate that cannot work here. and my idea to bring them to become junior factory oriented programmer they create cool HTML, several know Photoshop, and i try Hibernate, they can do it ;) but when we talk Session, they need 1-2 months to know what is Session.. in our team the undergraduate work with more deep in framework, they learn Spring, Hibernate factory, and also study several new tech, which i mentioned before we here also choose S2, because we use Velocity as templating engine. we can move to JSF if the facelet can be put in the .jar F - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
