Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats
On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Leon Rosenberg wrote: I think the larger problem for a java developer > in a small business sector > > is PHP or even Perl. .NET is mostly irrelevant, at least in germany. > > Agree with you that PHP snd Perl and MySQL are popular on web these days. > See the blogs and forums, most are PHP. This makes me wonder where > java-based applications such as Java Face, EJB or Struts played on the > large public web applications. There must be some economic reasons > behind it. > For public Internet sites, one of the issues for the Java platform is the relative number of hosting sites that have Java technology available, versus (say) PHP or PERL. In turn, this is related to a relative lack of knowledge on the part of ISP sysadmins about how to set up and administer the Java stuff (not that it's any harder than configuring httpd.conf ... it's just different). A really useful open source project would be to provide one or more completely integrated packages (Apache HTTPD + Tomcat, Apache HTTPD + Geronimo, Tomcat standalone, Geronimo standalone, etc.) that have everything an app developer would like to see (database, JSF, JSTL, Hibernate, ...) and are trivially easy for an interested ISP to download and install, coupled with sysadmin-oriented documentation that helps them hook in the facilities to the rest of their environment. It would need to include, for example, options that allowed the ISP to sell both shared JVM and standalone JVM environments to their customers (probably for a lower and higher price, respectively), with extra points for supporting goodies like distributed applications. The number of public webapps (no matter what the implementation technology) is actually pretty small compared to the number of applications (no matter what the impementation technology) behind the firewall, so this situation isn't a total surprise ... but making it easier for ISPs to provide a nice Java runtime environment would go a long ways towards helping the availability of Java webapps on the public part of the net. > Jack H. Xu > Technology columnist and editor Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats
> Leon Rosenberg wrote: I think the larger problem for a java developer in a small business sector > is PHP or even Perl. .NET is mostly irrelevant, at least in germany. Agree with you that PHP snd Perl and MySQL are popular on web these days. See the blogs and forums, most are PHP. This makes me wonder where java-based applications such as Java Face, EJB or Struts played on the large public web applications. There must be some economic reasons behind it. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: "Leon Rosenberg" To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 03:53:01 +0200 > > > When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by putting > > words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things (such as 1000 > > times). Considering .NET has not been around as long as > > java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary? > > No I don't, and know why? Here is a quote from a typical job offer which > comes out at monster (this one was from uk) > when you search for .NET: > > As a VB Developer, this is an opportunity for you to team up and work > alongside some of the top developers around and therefore to be considered > for this role, you will need to have at least 2 years solid Visual Basic > experience and a good understanding of the development of ActiveX > components, COM and .Net. Those who have and experience of the financial > market or have Real time software development then that will be beneficial > with your application. > > Salary 45K pounds in london... That's like 20K euro in germany or 30K USD in > US. Sorry, this is not my kind of job :-) > > > You see you are missing the whole point here. I have been a long time > believer that J2EE is good for big honking things. But > > .NET is eating up the small business sectors. I am talking about small to > medium sized apps here. large sites also use .NET such as > > www.dell.com and I believe there are a lot more out there I am too > lazy to google it right now.. I believe you could find them > > yourself... > > I think the larger problem for a java developer in a small business sector > is PHP or even Perl. .NET is mostly irrelevant, at least in germany. > > But know what, it was dumb from me, to get on this discussion. I admit my > defeat, you won, all praise .NET. > > :-) > Leon > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm
Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats
> When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by > putting words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things > (such as 1000 times). Considering .NET has not been around as > long as java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary? No I don't, and know why? Here is a quote from a typical job offer which comes out at monster (this one was from uk) when you search for .NET: As a VB Developer, this is an opportunity for you to team up and work alongside some of the top developers around and therefore to be considered for this role, you will need to have at least 2 years solid Visual Basic experience and a good understanding of the development of ActiveX components, COM and .Net. Those who have and experience of the financial market or have Real time software development then that will be beneficial with your application. Salary 45K pounds in london... That's like 20K euro in germany or 30K USD in US. Sorry, this is not my kind of job :-) > You see you are missing the whole point here. I have been a long time believer that J2EE is good for big honking things. But > .NET is eating up the small business sectors. I am talking about small to medium sized apps here. large sites also use .NET such as > www.dell.com and I believe there are a lot more out there I am too lazy to google it right now.. I believe you could find them > yourself... I think the larger problem for a java developer in a small business sector is PHP or even Perl. .NET is mostly irrelevant, at least in germany. But know what, it was dumb from me, to get on this discussion. I admit my defeat, you won, all praise .NET. :-) Leon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats
> When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by > putting words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things > (such as 1000 times). Considering .NET has not been around as > long as java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary? No I don't, and know why? Here is a quote from a typical job offer which comes out at monster (this one was from uk) when you search for .NET: As a VB Developer, this is an opportunity for you to team up and work alongside some of the top developers around and therefore to be considered for this role, you will need to have at least 2 years solid Visual Basic experience and a good understanding of the development of ActiveX components, COM and .Net. Those who have and experience of the financial market or have Real time software development then that will be beneficial with your application. Salary 45K pounds in london... That's like 20K euro in germany or 30K USD in US. Sorry, this is not my kind of job :-) > You see you are missing the whole point here. I have been a long time believer that J2EE is good for big honking things. But > .NET is eating up the small business sectors. I am talking about small to medium sized apps here. large sites also use .NET such as > www.dell.com and I believe there are a lot more out there I am too lazy to google it right now.. I believe you could find them > yourself... I think the larger problem for a java developer in a small business sector is PHP or even Perl. .NET is mostly irrelevant, at least in germany. But know what, it was dumb from me, to get on this discussion. I admit my defeat, you won, all praise .NET. :-) Leon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats
All done on the US sites. www.monster.com .NET more than 1000 and 20 pages Java more than 1000 and 20 pages www.dice.com .NET 8490 listings Java 11159 listings www.indeed.com (an aggregator for all major job sites in the US) .NET 68,599 listings Java 63,451 listings When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by putting words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things (such as 1000 times). Considering .NET has not been around as long as java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
