RE: what version of struts is better?
I can't speak to Struts2, as I haven't worked with it. I was just suggesting that you should look at JSF as well. I've worked with Struts 1 for about 5 years. My last project, I got to work with JSF and Facelets and was very impressed. The main reason I liked it was that it was component based. As a UI Framework, that seemed more intuitive than using an Action based framework, and I felt it lends itself to more code reuse. Being able to do Event Driven coding was a big plus as well. You can simulate that with an action framework, but it's a bit easier in JSF. Using Facelets was a major step up on JSPs and Tiles. Facelets templating is a bit more advanced than tiles, and it also allows you to create compound components and use them as custom tags, and you don't need to write any Java code. The cons of Facelets is that there are some issues parsing some typical html. For example, you can't use nbsp;. You have to use #160;. Not a major issue, but those lend to the learning curve. Again, I have not worked with Struts2, so I can't speak to a direct comparison. I was merely suggesting you take a look at JSF and decide for yourself. One other thing to keep in mind is that if you have developers who only have experience with Action based frameworks, there will be a fairly high learning curve. If deadlines are tight, there will be some added pressure... -Original Message- From: Chris Pratt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:56 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: what version of struts is better? Frank, what is it about JSF that you find superior to Struts 2? We are internally in a debate on which way to go (JSF v Struts 2) and I'd like to hear your opinion. (*Chris*) On 4/10/07, Frank Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to show any disrespect, but if you are starting a new project with a clean slate, I'd seriously look at JSF/Facelets if I were you. Both frameworks have their pros/cons, but I think JSF's pros well outweigh the cons. Plus, if you are going to take the time and learn a new framework, which if you haven't worked with Struts2 or WebWorks that is what you are doing, then you may want to weigh your options with JSF. I would highly recommend, though, that if you do consider it, Facelets, and not JSP's are the way to go. Just my 2 cents... -Original Message- From: Love, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:43 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: what version of struts is better? Hello, I have a great deal of experience developing web based applications. I have used home-grown frameworks and several commercial frameworks. I am new to STRUTS2, but my initial impression is that STRUTS2 kicks-butt. Form validation and action/navigation management is extremely intuitive. The original version of STRUTS has a great deal of books and documentation available. STRUTS2 does not have much in the market yet. However, STRUTS2 is based on WEBWORK so you should be able to find enough information for your term paper. Best Regards, Andrew Love Chief Software Architect, Strategic Initiatives McKesson Corporation McKesson Pharmacy Systems mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: dire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:30 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: what version of struts is better? sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/what-version-of-struts-is-better--tf3554740.html #a9925 553 Sent from the Struts - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: what version of struts is better?
Actually, I disagree. JSF is a framework. I used MyFaces and their component library exclusively, without using Shale, Seam or anything else... -Original Message- From: Piero Sartini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:21 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: what version of struts is better? I did look at JSF/Seam/Shale and other web frameworks before I decided to use Struts2. There were several reasons for my decision and I have not regret it since now. After many years of web development an action based framework like s2 for me is much more natural than a component based approach. I think I am much more productive with s2. If someone wants tooling support and a visual designer, maybe it would be better to look at JSF. But in my oppinion there is missing a good framework for JSF. (No, I do not think that JSF is a framework - it is a technology). Shale is a good start, but has a long way to go. Seam is too much coupled with JBoss/Hibernate for my feeling. Visual Web Editor and from the netbeans project is nice - but IMHO not suited for bigger projects. I really came to the conclusion that JSF is nice for small projects with a few pages and if you really want a desktop-like development approach. I am sure there are many other opinions out there, but more cents are always good ;-) Piero On Tuesday 10 April 2007 22:50:12 Frank Russo wrote: Not to show any disrespect, but if you are starting a new project with a clean slate, I'd seriously look at JSF/Facelets if I were you. Both frameworks have their pros/cons, but I think JSF's pros well outweigh the cons. Plus, if you are going to take the time and learn a new framework, which if you haven't worked with Struts2 or WebWorks that is what you are doing, then you may want to weigh your options with JSF. I would highly recommend, though, that if you do consider it, Facelets, and not JSP's are the way to go. Just my 2 cents... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what version of struts is better?
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 15:19:27 Frank Russo wrote: Actually, I disagree. JSF is a framework. I used MyFaces and their component library exclusively, without using Shale, Seam or anything else... I used JSP and Servlets exclusively to build web apps years ago. JSP is no framework for most people. But I do agree that JSF has some functionalities where a webframework was needed before. Maybe its just a question of what we call a web framework. For me, it is something like struts. There is no need to build another framework on top of it. With JSF, things are different. There IS a need to build a web framework on top of it (Seam, Shale, etc). At least for me it does not feel complete enough to build my applications with it. Craig said in another thread [1] at this list that JSF focuses on the component APIs and the foundations for application needs and that a framework on top of JSF is a reasonable thing for an application developer to want. Piero [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/user%40struts.apache.org/msg53891.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what version of struts is better?
sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/what-version-of-struts-is-better--tf3554740.html#a9925553 Sent from the Struts - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what version of struts is better?
for new projects where you have the choice what to use, I suggest struts2. On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:30:21 dire wrote: sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what version of struts is better?
Struts 2 is the way to go, IMHO. On 4/10/07, Piero Sartini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for new projects where you have the choice what to use, I suggest struts2. On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:30:21 dire wrote: sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sincerely, Harring Figueiredo Sr. Software Engineer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: 941-256-0600 We never become truly spiritual by sitting down and wishing to become so. You must undertake something so great that you cannot accomplish it unaided.
RE: what version of struts is better?
Hello, I have a great deal of experience developing web based applications. I have used home-grown frameworks and several commercial frameworks. I am new to STRUTS2, but my initial impression is that STRUTS2 kicks-butt. Form validation and action/navigation management is extremely intuitive. The original version of STRUTS has a great deal of books and documentation available. STRUTS2 does not have much in the market yet. However, STRUTS2 is based on WEBWORK so you should be able to find enough information for your term paper. Best Regards, Andrew Love Chief Software Architect, Strategic Initiatives McKesson Corporation McKesson Pharmacy Systems mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: dire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:30 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: what version of struts is better? sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/what-version-of-struts-is-better--tf3554740.html#a9925 553 Sent from the Struts - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: what version of struts is better?
Not to show any disrespect, but if you are starting a new project with a clean slate, I'd seriously look at JSF/Facelets if I were you. Both frameworks have their pros/cons, but I think JSF's pros well outweigh the cons. Plus, if you are going to take the time and learn a new framework, which if you haven't worked with Struts2 or WebWorks that is what you are doing, then you may want to weigh your options with JSF. I would highly recommend, though, that if you do consider it, Facelets, and not JSP's are the way to go. Just my 2 cents... -Original Message- From: Love, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:43 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: what version of struts is better? Hello, I have a great deal of experience developing web based applications. I have used home-grown frameworks and several commercial frameworks. I am new to STRUTS2, but my initial impression is that STRUTS2 kicks-butt. Form validation and action/navigation management is extremely intuitive. The original version of STRUTS has a great deal of books and documentation available. STRUTS2 does not have much in the market yet. However, STRUTS2 is based on WEBWORK so you should be able to find enough information for your term paper. Best Regards, Andrew Love Chief Software Architect, Strategic Initiatives McKesson Corporation McKesson Pharmacy Systems mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: dire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:30 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: what version of struts is better? sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/what-version-of-struts-is-better--tf3554740.html#a9925 553 Sent from the Struts - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what version of struts is better?
Frank, what is it about JSF that you find superior to Struts 2? We are internally in a debate on which way to go (JSF v Struts 2) and I'd like to hear your opinion. (*Chris*) On 4/10/07, Frank Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to show any disrespect, but if you are starting a new project with a clean slate, I'd seriously look at JSF/Facelets if I were you. Both frameworks have their pros/cons, but I think JSF's pros well outweigh the cons. Plus, if you are going to take the time and learn a new framework, which if you haven't worked with Struts2 or WebWorks that is what you are doing, then you may want to weigh your options with JSF. I would highly recommend, though, that if you do consider it, Facelets, and not JSP's are the way to go. Just my 2 cents... -Original Message- From: Love, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:43 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: what version of struts is better? Hello, I have a great deal of experience developing web based applications. I have used home-grown frameworks and several commercial frameworks. I am new to STRUTS2, but my initial impression is that STRUTS2 kicks-butt. Form validation and action/navigation management is extremely intuitive. The original version of STRUTS has a great deal of books and documentation available. STRUTS2 does not have much in the market yet. However, STRUTS2 is based on WEBWORK so you should be able to find enough information for your term paper. Best Regards, Andrew Love Chief Software Architect, Strategic Initiatives McKesson Corporation McKesson Pharmacy Systems mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: dire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:30 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: what version of struts is better? sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/what-version-of-struts-is-better--tf3554740.html#a9925 553 Sent from the Struts - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what version of struts is better?
Good Afternoon Andrew -- Struts2 introduces the concept of Interceptors allowing you to configure n number pre methods and n number post methods before and after an Action so in one situation you might have an Action such as PrimaryInvestigatorDocumentUpload so you may desire the ability to perform the following scenarios say your Investigator just completed a double blind study and found a false positive..a vital piece of information you want to introduce into the study http://struts.apache.org/2.0.6/docs/interceptors.html Since your design is focused on DocumentUpload you could pre-define events which happen before DocumentUpload and define events which happen afterward Here is the chronology 1)PreDocumentUpload Double submit 2)DocumentUpload..upload the document to the user-defined location 3)Now that the Action has been completed and results are rendered you *may* want to path the PI to edit the document you have just uploaded whats more if you have a predefined set of events that always happen before an Action you could configure an Event Stack or suite of interceptors to happen before or after an Action Yours in Health/ Martin-- This email message and any files transmitted with it contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom this email message is addressed. If you have received this email message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or email and destroy the original message without making a copy. Thank you. - Original Message - From: Frank Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: RE: what version of struts is better? Not to show any disrespect, but if you are starting a new project with a clean slate, I'd seriously look at JSF/Facelets if I were you. Both frameworks have their pros/cons, but I think JSF's pros well outweigh the cons. Plus, if you are going to take the time and learn a new framework, which if you haven't worked with Struts2 or WebWorks that is what you are doing, then you may want to weigh your options with JSF. I would highly recommend, though, that if you do consider it, Facelets, and not JSP's are the way to go. Just my 2 cents... -Original Message- From: Love, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:43 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: what version of struts is better? Hello, I have a great deal of experience developing web based applications. I have used home-grown frameworks and several commercial frameworks. I am new to STRUTS2, but my initial impression is that STRUTS2 kicks-butt. Form validation and action/navigation management is extremely intuitive. The original version of STRUTS has a great deal of books and documentation available. STRUTS2 does not have much in the market yet. However, STRUTS2 is based on WEBWORK so you should be able to find enough information for your term paper. Best Regards, Andrew Love Chief Software Architect, Strategic Initiatives McKesson Corporation McKesson Pharmacy Systems mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: dire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:30 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: what version of struts is better? sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/what-version-of-struts-is-better--tf3554740.html#a9925 553 Sent from the Struts - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what version of struts is better?
I did look at JSF/Seam/Shale and other web frameworks before I decided to use Struts2. There were several reasons for my decision and I have not regret it since now. After many years of web development an action based framework like s2 for me is much more natural than a component based approach. I think I am much more productive with s2. If someone wants tooling support and a visual designer, maybe it would be better to look at JSF. But in my oppinion there is missing a good framework for JSF. (No, I do not think that JSF is a framework - it is a technology). Shale is a good start, but has a long way to go. Seam is too much coupled with JBoss/Hibernate for my feeling. Visual Web Editor and from the netbeans project is nice - but IMHO not suited for bigger projects. I really came to the conclusion that JSF is nice for small projects with a few pages and if you really want a desktop-like development approach. I am sure there are many other opinions out there, but more cents are always good ;-) Piero On Tuesday 10 April 2007 22:50:12 Frank Russo wrote: Not to show any disrespect, but if you are starting a new project with a clean slate, I'd seriously look at JSF/Facelets if I were you. Both frameworks have their pros/cons, but I think JSF's pros well outweigh the cons. Plus, if you are going to take the time and learn a new framework, which if you haven't worked with Struts2 or WebWorks that is what you are doing, then you may want to weigh your options with JSF. I would highly recommend, though, that if you do consider it, Facelets, and not JSP's are the way to go. Just my 2 cents... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: what version of struts is better?
I actually prefer to use a template based approach instead of JSP. Velocity and FreeMarker are great for generating responses. This cleanly separates the presentation layer. Just my 2 cents... Regards Andrew -Original Message- From: Frank Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:50 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: what version of struts is better? Not to show any disrespect, but if you are starting a new project with a clean slate, I'd seriously look at JSF/Facelets if I were you. Both frameworks have their pros/cons, but I think JSF's pros well outweigh the cons. Plus, if you are going to take the time and learn a new framework, which if you haven't worked with Struts2 or WebWorks that is what you are doing, then you may want to weigh your options with JSF. I would highly recommend, though, that if you do consider it, Facelets, and not JSP's are the way to go. Just my 2 cents... -Original Message- From: Love, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:43 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: what version of struts is better? Hello, I have a great deal of experience developing web based applications. I have used home-grown frameworks and several commercial frameworks. I am new to STRUTS2, but my initial impression is that STRUTS2 kicks-butt. Form validation and action/navigation management is extremely intuitive. The original version of STRUTS has a great deal of books and documentation available. STRUTS2 does not have much in the market yet. However, STRUTS2 is based on WEBWORK so you should be able to find enough information for your term paper. Best Regards, Andrew Love Chief Software Architect, Strategic Initiatives McKesson Corporation McKesson Pharmacy Systems mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: dire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:30 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: what version of struts is better? sorry for my English! in my term paper i want to use Struts. Before this time i don`t have a deal with it. in http://struts.apache.org/ i saw that struts had two versions. i try to found what version is preferable, but can`t... Can anybody says how many differencies bitween them? Or, at least, tell me, please, where i can found answer for my question. thanx for your attention! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/what-version-of-struts-is-better--tf3554740.html#a9925 553 Sent from the Struts - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] RE: what version of struts is better?
--- Love, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually prefer to use a template based approach instead of JSP. Velocity and FreeMarker are great for generating responses. This cleanly separates the presentation layer. Just out of curiosity, what do you feel makes JSP *not* a template system? d. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
