Re: Trafodion Release 2.0 Hadoop/HBase Versions?

2016-02-05 Thread Amanda Moran 
The core needs to change based on the CDH or HDP version (hbase-trx*.jar to
be specific).

Other folks speak up on this one... I am no expert :)



On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

> +1
>
> The Trafodion project needs to do everything it can to make it easy for
> users to adopt the great software. Is there any special work that needs to
> be done beyond maintaining the installer and running tests?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Carol Pearson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Atanu,
>>
>> Thanks!  I think that we need to make it as easy as possible for our
>> users to try Trafodion and to use Trafodion.  I don't think most of our
>> non-developer users will be using Trafodion on a plain Apache platform,
>> especially if they're trying it in a commercial environment.  Hortonworks
>> and Cloudera have free community editions.
>>
>> As we're trying to increase our user base and grow our community, it
>> seems to me that we want to make it easier for folks to try and to use
>> Trafodion, rather than harder.  So making sure we have basic functionality
>> that works on the most common distros seems to me to be a basic requirement
>> for success.
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>> ---
>> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>> ---
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Atanu Mishra 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Carol,
>>>
>>> Great question! Once Trafodion supports Apache Hadoop/HBase, I question
>>> whether there is a reason to continue to support the Cloudera and
>>> HortonWorks distros.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Atanu
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> *From:* Carol Pearson [mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 4, 2016 4:53 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Trafodion Release 2.0 Hadoop/HBase Versions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Trafodion Fans,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to make sure I'm clear on the targeted runtime environments
>>> for our next release, which I think we're calling Trafodion 2.0.  I've seen
>>> that it needs to  support working with Apache Hadoop, since the 1.3 release
>>> supported only the  Cloudera and Hadoop distros.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Trafodion 2.0*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From what's been discussed on the Dev list and here, I think the target
>>> is:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  - Linux Versions CentOS 6.5-6.7 (RHEL 6.5-6.7 - untested? but should
>>> support)
>>>
>>>  - SUSE?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hadoop/VersionHBase Version
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> Cloudera CDH 5.4.x 1.1
>>>
>>> Hortonworks HDP 2.31.1
>>>
>>> Apache Hadoop 2.7.11.1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are these the targets that folks are working on Trafodion 2.0 to
>>> support?  Are they the right ones? (For example, should we be looking at
>>> Apache Hadoop 2.6.3?)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there other versions of software in the Hadoop ecosystem whose
>>> versions should be specified as targets, especially for distro-less vanilla
>>> Apache Hadoop?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that once we release, we should identify the specific versions
>>> that folks have tested with (which might not be all versions and all
>>> distros).  I think we should also list versions for software that we
>>> believe should work but have not been tested. As I was trying to understand
>>> which releases worked with what, I came across a great chart in the the
>>> HBase reference book in section 4.1:
>>> https://hbase.apache.org/book.html#basic.prerequisites then scroll down
>>> to see the Hadoop versions.  It would be great to develop that chart for
>>> Trafodion as 2.0 goes forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any light people can shed on this!
>>>
>>> -Carol P.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS:  For reference, here's my understanding of what Trafodion 1.3
>>> supported:
>>>
>>> I've put together the following chart based on the notes from the
>>> Trafodion website for release 1.3 and my understanding of Trafodion 2.0:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Trafodion 1.3: (Current release)*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   - Linux Versions:  CentOS 6.5-6.7, (RHEL 6.5-6.7 - untested? but
>>> should support)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hadoop/VersionHBase Version
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> Cloudera CDH 5.3.x 0.98
>>>
>>> Hortonworks HDP 2.20.98
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>>
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Atanu Mishra
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>



-- 
Thanks,

Amanda Moran

Re: Trafodion Release 2.0 Hadoop/HBase Versions?

2016-02-05 Thread Stack 
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Amanda Moran 
wrote:

> The core needs to change based on the CDH or HDP version (hbase-trx*.jar
> to be specific).
>
>
Is that because of the subclassing of regionservers? If so, can we fix
this; move on to coprocessors?

Thanks,
St.Ack



> Other folks speak up on this one... I am no expert :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> The Trafodion project needs to do everything it can to make it easy for
>> users to adopt the great software. Is there any special work that needs to
>> be done beyond maintaining the installer and running tests?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Carol Pearson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Atanu,
>>>
>>> Thanks!  I think that we need to make it as easy as possible for our
>>> users to try Trafodion and to use Trafodion.  I don't think most of our
>>> non-developer users will be using Trafodion on a plain Apache platform,
>>> especially if they're trying it in a commercial environment.  Hortonworks
>>> and Cloudera have free community editions.
>>>
>>> As we're trying to increase our user base and grow our community, it
>>> seems to me that we want to make it easier for folks to try and to use
>>> Trafodion, rather than harder.  So making sure we have basic functionality
>>> that works on the most common distros seems to me to be a basic requirement
>>> for success.
>>>
>>> -Carol P.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>> ---
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Atanu Mishra 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Carol,

 Great question! Once Trafodion supports Apache Hadoop/HBase, I question
 whether there is a reason to continue to support the Cloudera and
 HortonWorks distros.

 Thanks,
 Atanu

 -

 *From:* Carol Pearson [mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 4, 2016 4:53 PM
 *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
 *Subject:* Trafodion Release 2.0 Hadoop/HBase Versions?



 Hi Trafodion Fans,



 I'm trying to make sure I'm clear on the targeted runtime environments
 for our next release, which I think we're calling Trafodion 2.0.  I've seen
 that it needs to  support working with Apache Hadoop, since the 1.3 release
 supported only the  Cloudera and Hadoop distros.



 *Trafodion 2.0*



 From what's been discussed on the Dev list and here, I think the target
 is:



  - Linux Versions CentOS 6.5-6.7 (RHEL 6.5-6.7 - untested? but should
 support)

  - SUSE?



  Hadoop/VersionHBase Version

 =

 Cloudera CDH 5.4.x 1.1

 Hortonworks HDP 2.31.1

 Apache Hadoop 2.7.11.1





 Are these the targets that folks are working on Trafodion 2.0 to
 support?  Are they the right ones? (For example, should we be looking at
 Apache Hadoop 2.6.3?)



 Are there other versions of software in the Hadoop ecosystem whose
 versions should be specified as targets, especially for distro-less vanilla
 Apache Hadoop?



 I think that once we release, we should identify the specific versions
 that folks have tested with (which might not be all versions and all
 distros).  I think we should also list versions for software that we
 believe should work but have not been tested. As I was trying to understand
 which releases worked with what, I came across a great chart in the the
 HBase reference book in section 4.1:
 https://hbase.apache.org/book.html#basic.prerequisites then scroll
 down to see the Hadoop versions.  It would be great to develop that chart
 for Trafodion as 2.0 goes forward.



 Thanks for any light people can shed on this!

 -Carol P.



 PS:  For reference, here's my understanding of what Trafodion 1.3
 supported:

 I've put together the following chart based on the notes from the
 Trafodion website for release 1.3 and my understanding of Trafodion 2.0:



 *Trafodion 1.3: (Current release)*



   - Linux Versions:  CentOS 6.5-6.7, (RHEL 6.5-6.7 - untested? but
 should support)



  Hadoop/VersionHBase Version

 =

 Cloudera CDH 5.3.x 0.98

 Hortonworks HDP 2.20.98






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Re: Trafodion Release 2.0 Hadoop/HBase Versions?

2016-02-05 Thread Atanu Mishra 
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Stack  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Amanda Moran 
> wrote:
>
>> The core needs to change based on the CDH or HDP version (hbase-trx*.jar
>> to be specific).
>>
>>
> Is that because of the subclassing of regionservers? If so, can we fix
> this; move on to coprocessors?
>
> Thanks,
> St.Ack
>

​No, afraid this is despite the move to coprocessors.

Amanda is right. The core does need to change typically depending on the
CDH or HDP version.

Atanu
​


>
>
>
>> Other folks speak up on this one... I am no expert :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> The Trafodion project needs to do everything it can to make it easy for
>>> users to adopt the great software. Is there any special work that needs to
>>> be done beyond maintaining the installer and running tests?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Carol Pearson <
>>> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Atanu,

 Thanks!  I think that we need to make it as easy as possible for our
 users to try Trafodion and to use Trafodion.  I don't think most of our
 non-developer users will be using Trafodion on a plain Apache platform,
 especially if they're trying it in a commercial environment.  Hortonworks
 and Cloudera have free community editions.

 As we're trying to increase our user base and grow our community, it
 seems to me that we want to make it easier for folks to try and to use
 Trafodion, rather than harder.  So making sure we have basic functionality
 that works on the most common distros seems to me to be a basic requirement
 for success.

 -Carol P.

 ---
 Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
 Twitter:  @CarolP222
 ---

 On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Atanu Mishra 
 wrote:

> Hi Carol,
>
> Great question! Once Trafodion supports Apache Hadoop/HBase, I
> question whether there is a reason to continue to support the Cloudera and
> HortonWorks distros.
>
> Thanks,
> Atanu
>
> -
>
> *From:* Carol Pearson [mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 4, 2016 4:53 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Trafodion Release 2.0 Hadoop/HBase Versions?
>
>
>
> Hi Trafodion Fans,
>
>
>
> I'm trying to make sure I'm clear on the targeted runtime environments
> for our next release, which I think we're calling Trafodion 2.0.  I've 
> seen
> that it needs to  support working with Apache Hadoop, since the 1.3 
> release
> supported only the  Cloudera and Hadoop distros.
>
>
>
> *Trafodion 2.0*
>
>
>
> From what's been discussed on the Dev list and here, I think the
> target is:
>
>
>
>  - Linux Versions CentOS 6.5-6.7 (RHEL 6.5-6.7 - untested? but should
> support)
>
>  - SUSE?
>
>
>
>  Hadoop/VersionHBase Version
>
> =
>
> Cloudera CDH 5.4.x 1.1
>
> Hortonworks HDP 2.31.1
>
> Apache Hadoop 2.7.11.1
>
>
>
>
>
> Are these the targets that folks are working on Trafodion 2.0 to
> support?  Are they the right ones? (For example, should we be looking at
> Apache Hadoop 2.6.3?)
>
>
>
> Are there other versions of software in the Hadoop ecosystem whose
> versions should be specified as targets, especially for distro-less 
> vanilla
> Apache Hadoop?
>
>
>
> I think that once we release, we should identify the specific versions
> that folks have tested with (which might not be all versions and all
> distros).  I think we should also list versions for software that we
> believe should work but have not been tested. As I was trying to 
> understand
> which releases worked with what, I came across a great chart in the the
> HBase reference book in section 4.1:
> https://hbase.apache.org/book.html#basic.prerequisites then scroll
> down to see the Hadoop versions.  It would be great to develop that chart
> for Trafodion as 2.0 goes forward.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any light people can shed on this!
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
>
> PS:  For reference, here's my understanding of what Trafodion 1.3
> supported:
>
> I've put together the following chart based on the notes from the
> Trafodion website for release 1.3 and my understanding of Trafodion 2.0:
>
>
>
> *Trafodion 1.3: (Current release)*
>
>
>
>   -

RE: Trafodion Release 2.0 Hadoop/HBase Versions?

2016-02-04 Thread Atanu Mishra 
Hi Carol,

Thanks for putting together these charts and starting the discussion about
supported versions. Once Trafodion supports Apache Hadoop/HBase, I question
whether there is a reason to continue to support the Cloudera and
HortonWorks distros.

Thanks,
Atanu

-

*From:* Carol Pearson [mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 4, 2016 4:53 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Trafodion Release 2.0 Hadoop/HBase Versions?



Hi Trafodion Fans,



I'm trying to make sure I'm clear on the targeted runtime environments for
our next release, which I think we're calling Trafodion 2.0.  I've seen
that it needs to  support working with Apache Hadoop, since the 1.3 release
supported only the  Cloudera and Hadoop distros.



*Trafodion 2.0*



>From what's been discussed on the Dev list and here, I think the target is:



 - Linux Versions CentOS 6.5-6.7 (RHEL 6.5-6.7 - untested? but should
support)

 - SUSE?



 Hadoop/VersionHBase Version

=

Cloudera CDH 5.4.x 1.1

Hortonworks HDP 2.31.1

Apache Hadoop 2.7.11.1





Are these the targets that folks are working on Trafodion 2.0 to support?
Are they the right ones? (For example, should we be looking at Apache
Hadoop 2.6.3?)



Are there other versions of software in the Hadoop ecosystem whose versions
should be specified as targets, especially for distro-less vanilla Apache
Hadoop?



I think that once we release, we should identify the specific versions that
folks have tested with (which might not be all versions and all distros).
I think we should also list versions for software that we believe should
work but have not been tested. As I was trying to understand which releases
worked with what, I came across a great chart in the the HBase reference
book in section 4.1:  https://hbase.apache.org/book.html#basic.prerequisites
then scroll down to see the Hadoop versions.  It would be great to develop
that chart for Trafodion as 2.0 goes forward.



Thanks for any light people can shed on this!

-Carol P.



PS:  For reference, here's my understanding of what Trafodion 1.3 supported:

I've put together the following chart based on the notes from the Trafodion
website for release 1.3 and my understanding of Trafodion 2.0:



*Trafodion 1.3: (Current release)*



  - Linux Versions:  CentOS 6.5-6.7, (RHEL 6.5-6.7 - untested? but should
support)



 Hadoop/VersionHBase Version

=

Cloudera CDH 5.3.x 0.98

Hortonworks HDP 2.20.98






---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---

Atanu Mishra