Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:30 PM, Stefan K wrote: > Hi Kristoffer, > > ok I see, but why maintain both? Let a coin decide which one, but I think its > not very helpful to maintain both. > Do you volunteer to implement automatic conversion to new agents including parameters adjustment? > best regards > Stefan > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 um 10:55 Uhr >> Von: "Kristoffer Grönlund" >> An: "Stefan K" , users@clusterlabs.org >> Betreff: Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan >> >> "Stefan K" writes: >> >> > OK I see, but it would be good if somebody mark one of this as deprecated >> > and then delete it. So that noone get confused about these. >> > >> >> The external/* agents are not deprecated, though. Future agents will be >> implemented in the fence-agents framework, but the existing agents are >> still being used (not by RH, but by SUSE at least). >> >> Cheers, >> Kristoffer >> >> > best regards >> > Stefan >> > >> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Juni 2018 um 18:26 Uhr >> >> Von: "Ken Gaillot" >> >> An: "Cluster Labs - All topics related to open-source clustering >> >> welcomed" >> >> Betreff: Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and >> >> fence_ipmilan >> >> >> >> On Tue, 2018-06-26 at 12:00 +0200, Stefan K wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> >> > >> >> > can somebody tell me the difference between external/ipmi and >> >> > fence_ipmilan? Are there preferences? >> >> > Is one of these more common or has some advantages? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks in advance! >> >> > best regards >> >> > Stefan >> >> >> >> The distinction is mostly historical. At one time, there were two >> >> different open-source clustering environments, each with its own set of >> >> fence agents. The community eventually settled on Pacemaker as a sort >> >> of merged evolution of the earlier environments, and so it supports >> >> both styles of fence agents. Thus, you often see an "external/*" agent >> >> and a "fence_*" agent available for the same physical device. >> >> >> >> However, they are completely different implementations, so there may be >> >> substantive differences as well. I'm not familiar enough with these two >> >> to address that, maybe someone else can. >> >> -- >> >> Ken Gaillot >> >> ___ >> >> Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org >> >> https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> >> Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org >> >> Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf >> >> Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org >> >> >> > ___ >> > Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org >> > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > >> > Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org >> > Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf >> > Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org >> >> -- >> // Kristoffer Grönlund >> // kgronl...@suse.com >> > ___ > Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org > Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf > Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org ___ Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan
Hi Kristoffer, ok I see, but why maintain both? Let a coin decide which one, but I think its not very helpful to maintain both. best regards Stefan > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 um 10:55 Uhr > Von: "Kristoffer Grönlund" > An: "Stefan K" , users@clusterlabs.org > Betreff: Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan > > "Stefan K" writes: > > > OK I see, but it would be good if somebody mark one of this as deprecated > > and then delete it. So that noone get confused about these. > > > > The external/* agents are not deprecated, though. Future agents will be > implemented in the fence-agents framework, but the existing agents are > still being used (not by RH, but by SUSE at least). > > Cheers, > Kristoffer > > > best regards > > Stefan > > > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Juni 2018 um 18:26 Uhr > >> Von: "Ken Gaillot" > >> An: "Cluster Labs - All topics related to open-source clustering welcomed" > >> > >> Betreff: Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and > >> fence_ipmilan > >> > >> On Tue, 2018-06-26 at 12:00 +0200, Stefan K wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > can somebody tell me the difference between external/ipmi and > >> > fence_ipmilan? Are there preferences? > >> > Is one of these more common or has some advantages? > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance! > >> > best regards > >> > Stefan > >> > >> The distinction is mostly historical. At one time, there were two > >> different open-source clustering environments, each with its own set of > >> fence agents. The community eventually settled on Pacemaker as a sort > >> of merged evolution of the earlier environments, and so it supports > >> both styles of fence agents. Thus, you often see an "external/*" agent > >> and a "fence_*" agent available for the same physical device. > >> > >> However, they are completely different implementations, so there may be > >> substantive differences as well. I'm not familiar enough with these two > >> to address that, maybe someone else can. > >> -- > >> Ken Gaillot > >> ___ > >> Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org > >> https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >> > >> Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org > >> Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf > >> Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org > >> > > ___ > > Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org > > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org > > Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf > > Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org > > -- > // Kristoffer Grönlund > // kgronl...@suse.com > ___ Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan
"Stefan K" writes: > OK I see, but it would be good if somebody mark one of this as deprecated and > then delete it. So that noone get confused about these. > The external/* agents are not deprecated, though. Future agents will be implemented in the fence-agents framework, but the existing agents are still being used (not by RH, but by SUSE at least). Cheers, Kristoffer > best regards > Stefan > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Juni 2018 um 18:26 Uhr >> Von: "Ken Gaillot" >> An: "Cluster Labs - All topics related to open-source clustering welcomed" >> >> Betreff: Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan >> >> On Tue, 2018-06-26 at 12:00 +0200, Stefan K wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > can somebody tell me the difference between external/ipmi and >> > fence_ipmilan? Are there preferences? >> > Is one of these more common or has some advantages? >> > >> > Thanks in advance! >> > best regards >> > Stefan >> >> The distinction is mostly historical. At one time, there were two >> different open-source clustering environments, each with its own set of >> fence agents. The community eventually settled on Pacemaker as a sort >> of merged evolution of the earlier environments, and so it supports >> both styles of fence agents. Thus, you often see an "external/*" agent >> and a "fence_*" agent available for the same physical device. >> >> However, they are completely different implementations, so there may be >> substantive differences as well. I'm not familiar enough with these two >> to address that, maybe someone else can. >> -- >> Ken Gaillot >> ___ >> Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org >> https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org >> Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf >> Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org >> > ___ > Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org > Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf > Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org -- // Kristoffer Grönlund // kgronl...@suse.com ___ Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan
OK I see, but it would be good if somebody mark one of this as deprecated and then delete it. So that noone get confused about these. best regards Stefan > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Juni 2018 um 18:26 Uhr > Von: "Ken Gaillot" > An: "Cluster Labs - All topics related to open-source clustering welcomed" > > Betreff: Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan > > On Tue, 2018-06-26 at 12:00 +0200, Stefan K wrote: > > Hello, > > > > can somebody tell me the difference between external/ipmi and > > fence_ipmilan? Are there preferences? > > Is one of these more common or has some advantages? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > best regards > > Stefan > > The distinction is mostly historical. At one time, there were two > different open-source clustering environments, each with its own set of > fence agents. The community eventually settled on Pacemaker as a sort > of merged evolution of the earlier environments, and so it supports > both styles of fence agents. Thus, you often see an "external/*" agent > and a "fence_*" agent available for the same physical device. > > However, they are completely different implementations, so there may be > substantive differences as well. I'm not familiar enough with these two > to address that, maybe someone else can. > -- > Ken Gaillot > ___ > Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org > Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf > Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org > ___ Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan
On Tue, 2018-06-26 at 12:00 +0200, Stefan K wrote: > Hello, > > can somebody tell me the difference between external/ipmi and > fence_ipmilan? Are there preferences? > Is one of these more common or has some advantages? > > Thanks in advance! > best regards > Stefan The distinction is mostly historical. At one time, there were two different open-source clustering environments, each with its own set of fence agents. The community eventually settled on Pacemaker as a sort of merged evolution of the earlier environments, and so it supports both styles of fence agents. Thus, you often see an "external/*" agent and a "fence_*" agent available for the same physical device. However, they are completely different implementations, so there may be substantive differences as well. I'm not familiar enough with these two to address that, maybe someone else can. -- Ken Gaillot ___ Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan
On 2018-06-26 06:00 AM, Stefan K wrote: > Hello, > > can somebody tell me the difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan? > Are there preferences? > Is one of these more common or has some advantages? > > Thanks in advance! > best regards > Stefan I believe (others can confirm) that 'external/ipmi' was used before the fence agents were merged during the larger heartbeat/pacemaker and the red hat stack merger. As I understand it, external/ipmi is deprecated and fence_X are the agents that should be used now. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.com/w/ "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould ___ Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
[ClusterLabs] difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan
Hello, can somebody tell me the difference between external/ipmi and fence_ipmilan? Are there preferences? Is one of these more common or has some advantages? Thanks in advance! best regards Stefan ___ Users mailing list: Users@clusterlabs.org https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
