Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
Hi Peter, I would recommend moving to 2.12 first (and probably staying there). IMHO 2.2 isn't worth the candle and 3.0 misses the point of using Cocoon in the first place. I have a similar set-up as you although I use a blocks based build so that my 'applications' are seperate from the core. I would be happy to help subject to negotiation :) Best regards, Warrell On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 at 11:34 Flynn, Peter wrote: > ...I think. > > I have an existing Cocoon service running 2.1.11 under Tomcat5 and > Apache in CentOS5 on a very old server, and I now have a new server > running CentOS6, Apache2, and Tomcat6 that I want to migrate to, but I > am held up by my lack of understanding of what has been happening to > Coocon, and I'm an XML person, not a Java person :-) > > The existing service is not an "application" in the normal sense: it's > just a large collection of directories under /var/www/xml, each with its > own sitemap.xmap, serving a lot of XML documents as HTML via XSLT. Many > of the documents are in fact HTML, retrieved in real time from elsewhere > in our site using Tidy in order to force xhtml or HTML5. The cocoon.war > is the stock 2.1.11 with no mods except the substitution of saxon9.jar > so we can use XSLT2. > > I would like to be able to update all this to 2.2, and eventually to > Cocoon 3.0, but the lack of a prebuilt .war file means I am at a loss as > to how to do this. The existing service simply serves XML converted with > XSLT2, nothing more: there are no requirements for authentication (it's > all public), templates, forms, or FOP (we use XSLT2 and XeLaTeX for > PDFs), and no "applications" as such. The stock 2.1.11 cocoon.war file > undoubtedly includes vast amounts of stuff we never even go near using, > but I have no idea what to exclude or include when it comes to building > a new one in 2.2 or 3.0. The block examples in the 2.2 Tutorials > *appear* to be vastly more complex than is needed for what we want to do > (although this may just be my ignorance: in fact Cocoon 1.x always did > everything we needed!). > > A further requirement is obviously robust and working versions of Ant or > Maven, as in the past I have never been able to get either of these to > work on the platform available (there have always been unresolvable > dependencies for libraries simply unavailable). Has anyone ever > implemented Cocoon 2.2 or 3 on CentOS6? > > I have a small budget for help with this, either for training or > consultancy or both (preferably both so that I can learn). Or do I just > pick up the current 2.1.11 cocoon.war file and drop it into the new > system and leave it alone? > > ///Peter > -- > Peter Flynn | Academic & Collaborative Technologies > | University College Cork IT Services | ☎ +353 21 490 2609 > | ✉ pfl...@ucc.ie | 🌍 www.ucc.ie >
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
Peter, On 1/6/16 6:33 AM, Flynn, Peter wrote: > ...I think. > > I have an existing Cocoon service running 2.1.11 under Tomcat5 and > Apache in CentOS5 on a very old server, and I now have a new server > running CentOS6, Apache2, and Tomcat6 that I want to migrate to, but I > am held up by my lack of understanding of what has been happening to > Coocon, and I'm an XML person, not a Java person :-) > > The existing service is not an "application" in the normal sense: it's > just a large collection of directories under /var/www/xml, each with its > own sitemap.xmap, serving a lot of XML documents as HTML via XSLT. Many > of the documents are in fact HTML, retrieved in real time from elsewhere > in our site using Tidy in order to force xhtml or HTML5. The cocoon.war > is the stock 2.1.11 with no mods except the substitution of saxon9.jar > so we can use XSLT2. > > I would like to be able to update all this to 2.2, and eventually to > Cocoon 3.0, but the lack of a prebuilt .war file means I am at a loss as > to how to do this. The existing service simply serves XML converted with > XSLT2, nothing more: there are no requirements for authentication (it's > all public), templates, forms, or FOP (we use XSLT2 and XeLaTeX for > PDFs), and no "applications" as such. The stock 2.1.11 cocoon.war file > undoubtedly includes vast amounts of stuff we never even go near using, > but I have no idea what to exclude or include when it comes to building > a new one in 2.2 or 3.0. The block examples in the 2.2 Tutorials > *appear* to be vastly more complex than is needed for what we want to do > (although this may just be my ignorance: in fact Cocoon 1.x always did > everything we needed!). > > A further requirement is obviously robust and working versions of Ant or > Maven, as in the past I have never been able to get either of these to > work on the platform available (there have always been unresolvable > dependencies for libraries simply unavailable). Has anyone ever > implemented Cocoon 2.2 or 3 on CentOS6? > > I have a small budget for help with this, either for training or > consultancy or both (preferably both so that I can learn). Or do I just > pick up the current 2.1.11 cocoon.war file and drop it into the new > system and leave it alone? Moving from Tomcat 5 on (presumably) an older Java to a newer version should not be difficult at all. Is there a reason to move to Tomcat 6 and not all the way up to Tomcat 8? Tomcat 6 will be EOL very soon.[1] If you are going to migrate, you may as well go all the way. My experience with a Cocoon-only deployment on Tomcat 5 moving all the way up to Tomcat 8 (I went version by version and wasted a whole lot of time doing so) was basically just drop the WAR file I already had into Tomcat's deployment directory and everything worked exactly as expected. (This included incremental upgrades from Java 1.5 to Java 1.8 as well). I have a relatively simple Cocoon deployment with only a few dozen matchers in my pipeline, and two or three separate sitemaps. I also have a custom RequestParameterModule, but of course that wouldn't be sensitive to a Tomcat upgrade. My advice would be to put the latest Java and the latest Tomcat on a test server and drop your existing application's WAR in there and test everything. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how painless it is. As for Cocoon upgrade suggestions, others have made those already in this thread. Honestly, if it were me, I'd upgrade Java/Tomcat first and make sure everything works, and then focus on upgrading Cocoon. -chris [1] http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-60-eol.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
On 06/01/16 14:18, Christopher Schultz wrote: > Moving from Tomcat 5 on (presumably) an older Java to a newer version > should not be difficult at all. Is there a reason to move to Tomcat 6 > and not all the way up to Tomcat 8? Tomcat 6 will be EOL very soon.[1] Tomcat 6 is all that CentOS6 provides in their repos. Sadly we no longer have the luxury of time to build stuff from scratch. > If you are going to migrate, you may as well go all the way. Maybe one day. > My experience with a Cocoon-only deployment on Tomcat 5 moving all the > way up to Tomcat 8 (I went version by version and wasted a whole lot of > time doing so) was basically just drop the WAR file I already had into > Tomcat's deployment directory and everything worked exactly as expected. > (This included incremental upgrades from Java 1.5 to Java 1.8 as well). Yes, dropping my existing cocoon.war file into the new machine works fine, just it's slow and I'm sure the .war file is full of cruft we never use. > I have a relatively simple Cocoon deployment with only a few dozen > matchers in my pipeline, and two or three separate sitemaps. I also have > a custom RequestParameterModule, but of course that wouldn't be > sensitive to a Tomcat upgrade. We have 34 directories, many with subdirectories; 47 sitemap.xmaps in all. And 15GB of XML text. > My advice would be to put the latest Java and the latest Tomcat on a > test server and drop your existing application's WAR in there and test > everything. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how painless it is. All that is done, fortunately. That part of it was never really a problem. > As for Cocoon upgrade suggestions, others have made those already in > this thread. Honestly, if it were me, I'd upgrade Java/Tomcat first and > make sure everything works, and then focus on upgrading Cocoon. If I upgrade manually to Tomcat 8 it's going to break all the directory changes and control software setups that RH-based systems expect, which will create work for my ops and my staff because it will be different from all the other Tomcat servers around here. Unfortunately. It's a pity that Cocoon has strayed so far from its original task of serving XML via XSLT. In fact it's not at all clear to me what problem Cocoon 3 is intended to solve. At the moment it looks more like a development playground or sandbox for Java architects (in itself a valuable thing; I wish there were more of them) than a production application solving a business or social requirement. It's basically way too much Java and nowhere near enough XML. ///Peter -- Peter Flynn | Academic & Collaborative Technologies | University College Cork IT Services | ☎ +353 21 490 2609 | ✉ pfl...@ucc.ie | 🌍 www.ucc.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
Hi Peter, I completely agree with Christopher! I got some 2.1.* applications running and kept up with flow of Java / jBoss versions. Maybe there had been some issues with the XML helper jars but I don't remember in details. Try your luck with CentOS 7, Java 8 and Tomcat 8 ... and come back if severe problems occur! Greetings, Andreas > Peter, > > On 1/6/16 6:33 AM, Flynn, Peter wrote: >> ...I think. >> >> I have an existing Cocoon service running 2.1.11 under Tomcat5 and >> Apache in CentOS5 on a very old server, and I now have a new server >> running CentOS6, Apache2, and Tomcat6 that I want to migrate to, but I >> am held up by my lack of understanding of what has been happening to >> Coocon, and I'm an XML person, not a Java person :-) >> >> The existing service is not an "application" in the normal sense: it's >> just a large collection of directories under /var/www/xml, each with its >> own sitemap.xmap, serving a lot of XML documents as HTML via XSLT. Many >> of the documents are in fact HTML, retrieved in real time from elsewhere >> in our site using Tidy in order to force xhtml or HTML5. The cocoon.war >> is the stock 2.1.11 with no mods except the substitution of saxon9.jar >> so we can use XSLT2. >> >> I would like to be able to update all this to 2.2, and eventually to >> Cocoon 3.0, but the lack of a prebuilt .war file means I am at a loss as >> to how to do this. The existing service simply serves XML converted with >> XSLT2, nothing more: there are no requirements for authentication (it's >> all public), templates, forms, or FOP (we use XSLT2 and XeLaTeX for >> PDFs), and no "applications" as such. The stock 2.1.11 cocoon.war file >> undoubtedly includes vast amounts of stuff we never even go near using, >> but I have no idea what to exclude or include when it comes to building >> a new one in 2.2 or 3.0. The block examples in the 2.2 Tutorials >> *appear* to be vastly more complex than is needed for what we want to do >> (although this may just be my ignorance: in fact Cocoon 1.x always did >> everything we needed!). >> >> A further requirement is obviously robust and working versions of Ant or >> Maven, as in the past I have never been able to get either of these to >> work on the platform available (there have always been unresolvable >> dependencies for libraries simply unavailable). Has anyone ever >> implemented Cocoon 2.2 or 3 on CentOS6? >> >> I have a small budget for help with this, either for training or >> consultancy or both (preferably both so that I can learn). Or do I just >> pick up the current 2.1.11 cocoon.war file and drop it into the new >> system and leave it alone? > Moving from Tomcat 5 on (presumably) an older Java to a newer version > should not be difficult at all. Is there a reason to move to Tomcat 6 > and not all the way up to Tomcat 8? Tomcat 6 will be EOL very soon.[1] > > If you are going to migrate, you may as well go all the way. > > My experience with a Cocoon-only deployment on Tomcat 5 moving all the > way up to Tomcat 8 (I went version by version and wasted a whole lot of > time doing so) was basically just drop the WAR file I already had into > Tomcat's deployment directory and everything worked exactly as expected. > (This included incremental upgrades from Java 1.5 to Java 1.8 as well). > > I have a relatively simple Cocoon deployment with only a few dozen > matchers in my pipeline, and two or three separate sitemaps. I also have > a custom RequestParameterModule, but of course that wouldn't be > sensitive to a Tomcat upgrade. > > My advice would be to put the latest Java and the latest Tomcat on a > test server and drop your existing application's WAR in there and test > everything. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how painless it is. > > As for Cocoon upgrade suggestions, others have made those already in > this thread. Honestly, if it were me, I'd upgrade Java/Tomcat first and > make sure everything works, and then focus on upgrading Cocoon. > > -chris > > [1] http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-60-eol.html > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org > > -- Andreas Kühne phone: +49 177 293 24 97 mailto: kue...@trustable.de Trustable Ltd. Niederlassung Deutschland Gartenheimstr. 39C - 30659 Hannover Amtsgericht Hannover HRB 212612 Director Andreas Kühne Company UK Company No: 5218868 Registered in England and Wales --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
Hi Peter, I have been using Cocoon 2.12 (or the 2.13 dev brach) for xslt2 transformation work, and agree with Warrell and Christopher -- you do NOT need to move to 2.2 or 3.0. Java 8 works with it, but you may need earlier Java versions to build it (YMMV). If you want to lighten your production environment, you can easily remove unused blocks by duplicating the blocks.properties to local.blocks.properties, then uncommenting the lines you don't need to, for example: include.block.bsf=false. You can also tweak the build.properties file in the same way, using local.build.properties, and put any extra libs in lib > local (these aren't checked by the jar-checking system, and will be copied over to your final build or war). Make sure ANT_HOME is in your classpath, then ./build.sh to build. You'll notice that the latest cocoon-2.12.x/2.13 dev includes fop-1.0.jar, in case you want to use it instead of XeLaTeX. Dan insigh...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Christopher Schultz < ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote: > Peter, > > On 1/6/16 6:33 AM, Flynn, Peter wrote: > > ...I think. > > > > I have an existing Cocoon service running 2.1.11 under Tomcat5 and > > Apache in CentOS5 on a very old server, and I now have a new server > > running CentOS6, Apache2, and Tomcat6 that I want to migrate to, but I > > am held up by my lack of understanding of what has been happening to > > Coocon, and I'm an XML person, not a Java person :-) > > > > The existing service is not an "application" in the normal sense: it's > > just a large collection of directories under /var/www/xml, each with its > > own sitemap.xmap, serving a lot of XML documents as HTML via XSLT. Many > > of the documents are in fact HTML, retrieved in real time from elsewhere > > in our site using Tidy in order to force xhtml or HTML5. The cocoon.war > > is the stock 2.1.11 with no mods except the substitution of saxon9.jar > > so we can use XSLT2. > > > > I would like to be able to update all this to 2.2, and eventually to > > Cocoon 3.0, but the lack of a prebuilt .war file means I am at a loss as > > to how to do this. The existing service simply serves XML converted with > > XSLT2, nothing more: there are no requirements for authentication (it's > > all public), templates, forms, or FOP (we use XSLT2 and XeLaTeX for > > PDFs), and no "applications" as such. The stock 2.1.11 cocoon.war file > > undoubtedly includes vast amounts of stuff we never even go near using, > > but I have no idea what to exclude or include when it comes to building > > a new one in 2.2 or 3.0. The block examples in the 2.2 Tutorials > > *appear* to be vastly more complex than is needed for what we want to do > > (although this may just be my ignorance: in fact Cocoon 1.x always did > > everything we needed!). > > > > A further requirement is obviously robust and working versions of Ant or > > Maven, as in the past I have never been able to get either of these to > > work on the platform available (there have always been unresolvable > > dependencies for libraries simply unavailable). Has anyone ever > > implemented Cocoon 2.2 or 3 on CentOS6? > > > > I have a small budget for help with this, either for training or > > consultancy or both (preferably both so that I can learn). Or do I just > > pick up the current 2.1.11 cocoon.war file and drop it into the new > > system and leave it alone? > > Moving from Tomcat 5 on (presumably) an older Java to a newer version > should not be difficult at all. Is there a reason to move to Tomcat 6 > and not all the way up to Tomcat 8? Tomcat 6 will be EOL very soon.[1] > > If you are going to migrate, you may as well go all the way. > > My experience with a Cocoon-only deployment on Tomcat 5 moving all the > way up to Tomcat 8 (I went version by version and wasted a whole lot of > time doing so) was basically just drop the WAR file I already had into > Tomcat's deployment directory and everything worked exactly as expected. > (This included incremental upgrades from Java 1.5 to Java 1.8 as well). > > I have a relatively simple Cocoon deployment with only a few dozen > matchers in my pipeline, and two or three separate sitemaps. I also have > a custom RequestParameterModule, but of course that wouldn't be > sensitive to a Tomcat upgrade. > > My advice would be to put the latest Java and the latest Tomcat on a > test server and drop your existing application's WAR in there and test > everything. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how painless it is. > > As for Cocoon upgrade suggestions, others have made those already in > this thread. Honestly, if it were me, I'd upgrade Java/Tomcat first and > make sure everything works, and then focus on upgrading Cocoon. > > -chris > > [1] http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-60-eol.html > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org > > -
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
On Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 04:59:23PM +, Flynn, Peter wrote: [snip] > It's a pity that Cocoon has strayed so far from its original task of > serving XML via XSLT. In fact it's not at all clear to me what problem > Cocoon 3 is intended to solve. At the moment it looks more like a > development playground or sandbox for Java architects (in itself a > valuable thing; I wish there were more of them) than a production > application solving a business or social requirement. It's basically way > too much Java and nowhere near enough XML. When I first looked at Cocoon 3, I thought it was more like a return to Cocoon's roots, clearing away a lot of stuff that had accumulated and concentrating on the pipeline. It's quite true that, without intense study of what documentation there is, it is very difficult to find any mention of how to configure it with XML, but the XML configurator is still in there. -- Mark H. Wood Lead Technology Analyst University Library Indiana University - Purdue University Indianapolis 755 W. Michigan Street Indianapolis, IN 46202 317-274-0749 www.ulib.iupui.edu signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
On 06/01/16 17:49, Mark H. Wood wrote: > When I first looked at Cocoon 3, I thought it was more like a return > to Cocoon's roots, clearing away a lot of stuff that had accumulated > and concentrating on the pipeline. I should have another look > It's quite true that, without intense study of what documentation > there is, it is very difficult to find any mention of how to configure > it with XML, but the XML configurator is still in there. Configuring it with XML would be useful (eg sitemap.xmap) but what I meant was that Cocoon primary task was (is?) to serve XML documents via XSLT as {text|xml|html|...} ///Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
Hi, There is no need to configure it in any special way. All defaults are out of the box and are mostly sane (what every developer needs). C3 is considered to be more a RESTful framework not only a simple XML distribution system. Most sitemap.xmaps work ok. We have taken some steps into moving our app from 2.0.5dev to 3.0 and with some tweaking it worked fine! Check out the latest C3 snapshots from repository. There are sample artifacts for many-blocks and only one block configuration (simple web app). Greetings, Greg 2016-01-07 10:18 GMT+01:00 Flynn, Peter : > On 06/01/16 17:49, Mark H. Wood wrote: > > When I first looked at Cocoon 3, I thought it was more like a return > > to Cocoon's roots, clearing away a lot of stuff that had accumulated > > and concentrating on the pipeline. > > I should have another look > > > It's quite true that, without intense study of what documentation > > there is, it is very difficult to find any mention of how to configure > > it with XML, but the XML configurator is still in there. > > Configuring it with XML would be useful (eg sitemap.xmap) but what I > meant was that Cocoon primary task was (is?) to serve XML documents via > XSLT as {text|xml|html|...} > > > ///Peter > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org > >
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
Peter, On 1/6/16 11:59 AM, Flynn, Peter wrote: > On 06/01/16 14:18, Christopher Schultz wrote: > >> Moving from Tomcat 5 on (presumably) an older Java to a newer version >> should not be difficult at all. Is there a reason to move to Tomcat 6 >> and not all the way up to Tomcat 8? Tomcat 6 will be EOL very soon.[1] > > Tomcat 6 is all that CentOS6 provides in their repos. Yeah, it's a shame they are about to be *3* versions behind. Sad. > Sadly we no longer have the luxury of time to build stuff from scratch. No need to build anything from scratch. Download the tarball and unpack. Installation is done. You can even run multiple versions side-by-side and switch back and forth changing nothing but an environment variable. >> If you are going to migrate, you may as well go all the way. > > Maybe one day. > >> My experience with a Cocoon-only deployment on Tomcat 5 moving all the >> way up to Tomcat 8 (I went version by version and wasted a whole lot of >> time doing so) was basically just drop the WAR file I already had into >> Tomcat's deployment directory and everything worked exactly as expected. >> (This included incremental upgrades from Java 1.5 to Java 1.8 as well). > > Yes, dropping my existing cocoon.war file into the new machine works > fine, just it's slow and I'm sure the .war file is full of cruft we > never use. Slow... how? Slow to start? Slow all over? Tomcat didn't get many more times more complicated between Tomcat 5 and Tomcat 6. It's not like upgrading from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 (I chose that analogy to reinforce the idea that Tomcat 6 is oold). >> I have a relatively simple Cocoon deployment with only a few dozen >> matchers in my pipeline, and two or three separate sitemaps. I also have >> a custom RequestParameterModule, but of course that wouldn't be >> sensitive to a Tomcat upgrade. > > We have 34 directories, many with subdirectories; 47 sitemap.xmaps in > all. And 15GB of XML text. Shouldn't be a problem, assuming it's on the same hardware. Tomcat 7 is a lot more efficient and is missing some of the weirdness of Tomcat 6. Tomcat 8 is even better. Please reconsider. >> My advice would be to put the latest Java and the latest Tomcat on a >> test server and drop your existing application's WAR in there and test >> everything. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how painless it is. > > All that is done, fortunately. That part of it was never really a problem. Well, your original question was "I want to upgrade; any suggestions"? so I responded with suggestions. If you're already done the work... what are you actually asking? >> As for Cocoon upgrade suggestions, others have made those already in >> this thread. Honestly, if it were me, I'd upgrade Java/Tomcat first and >> make sure everything works, and then focus on upgrading Cocoon. > > If I upgrade manually to Tomcat 8 it's going to break all the directory > changes and control software setups that RH-based systems expect, which > will create work for my ops and my staff because it will be different > from all the other Tomcat servers around here. Unfortunately. I understand. You should petition CentOS to provide newer Tomcat versions. Amazon Linux's package repos (yum-based, RHEL-compatible) all support up to Tomcat 8. Supporting only up to Tomcat 6 is ... deeply disappointing. > It's a pity that Cocoon has strayed so far from its original task of > serving XML via XSLT. In fact it's not at all clear to me what problem > Cocoon 3 is intended to solve. At the moment it looks more like a > development playground or sandbox for Java architects (in itself a > valuable thing; I wish there were more of them) than a production > application solving a business or social requirement. It's basically way > too much Java and nowhere near enough XML. -chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Help needed moving from 2.1.11
>> If I upgrade manually to Tomcat 8 it's going to break all the directory >> changes and control software setups that RH-based systems expect, which >> will create work for my ops and my staff because it will be different >> from all the other Tomcat servers around here. Unfortunately. > I understand. You should petition CentOS to provide newer Tomcat >versions. Amazon Linux's package repos (yum-based, RHEL-compatible) all >support up to Tomcat 8. Supporting only up to Tomcat 6 is ... deeply >disappointing. AFAIK, in standard C3 project template there is a Maven config to use Cargo plugin, to run ANY kind of Application Server/Container/Web Engine. There are plenty options, and of course Tomcat 8.x is one of them. Go take a look: https://codehaus-cargo.github.io/cargo/Home.html Greetings, Greg 2016-01-07 14:19 GMT+01:00 Christopher Schultz : > Peter, > > On 1/6/16 11:59 AM, Flynn, Peter wrote: > > On 06/01/16 14:18, Christopher Schultz wrote: > > > >> Moving from Tomcat 5 on (presumably) an older Java to a newer version > >> should not be difficult at all. Is there a reason to move to Tomcat 6 > >> and not all the way up to Tomcat 8? Tomcat 6 will be EOL very soon.[1] > > > > Tomcat 6 is all that CentOS6 provides in their repos. > > Yeah, it's a shame they are about to be *3* versions behind. Sad. > > > Sadly we no longer have the luxury of time to build stuff from scratch. > > No need to build anything from scratch. Download the tarball and unpack. > Installation is done. You can even run multiple versions side-by-side > and switch back and forth changing nothing but an environment variable. > > >> If you are going to migrate, you may as well go all the way. > > > > Maybe one day. > > > >> My experience with a Cocoon-only deployment on Tomcat 5 moving all the > >> way up to Tomcat 8 (I went version by version and wasted a whole lot of > >> time doing so) was basically just drop the WAR file I already had into > >> Tomcat's deployment directory and everything worked exactly as expected. > >> (This included incremental upgrades from Java 1.5 to Java 1.8 as well). > > > > Yes, dropping my existing cocoon.war file into the new machine works > > fine, just it's slow and I'm sure the .war file is full of cruft we > > never use. > > Slow... how? Slow to start? Slow all over? Tomcat didn't get many more > times more complicated between Tomcat 5 and Tomcat 6. It's not like > upgrading from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 (I chose that analogy to > reinforce the idea that Tomcat 6 is oold). > > >> I have a relatively simple Cocoon deployment with only a few dozen > >> matchers in my pipeline, and two or three separate sitemaps. I also have > >> a custom RequestParameterModule, but of course that wouldn't be > >> sensitive to a Tomcat upgrade. > > > > We have 34 directories, many with subdirectories; 47 sitemap.xmaps in > > all. And 15GB of XML text. > > Shouldn't be a problem, assuming it's on the same hardware. Tomcat 7 is > a lot more efficient and is missing some of the weirdness of Tomcat 6. > Tomcat 8 is even better. Please reconsider. > > >> My advice would be to put the latest Java and the latest Tomcat on a > >> test server and drop your existing application's WAR in there and test > >> everything. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how painless it > is. > > > > All that is done, fortunately. That part of it was never really a > problem. > > Well, your original question was "I want to upgrade; any suggestions"? > so I responded with suggestions. If you're already done the work... what > are you actually asking? > > >> As for Cocoon upgrade suggestions, others have made those already in > >> this thread. Honestly, if it were me, I'd upgrade Java/Tomcat first and > >> make sure everything works, and then focus on upgrading Cocoon. > > > > If I upgrade manually to Tomcat 8 it's going to break all the directory > > changes and control software setups that RH-based systems expect, which > > will create work for my ops and my staff because it will be different > > from all the other Tomcat servers around here. Unfortunately. > > I understand. You should petition CentOS to provide newer Tomcat > versions. Amazon Linux's package repos (yum-based, RHEL-compatible) all > support up to Tomcat 8. Supporting only up to Tomcat 6 is ... deeply > disappointing. > > > It's a pity that Cocoon has strayed so far from its original task of > > serving XML via XSLT. In fact it's not at all clear to me what problem > > Cocoon 3 is intended to solve. At the moment it looks more like a > > development playground or sandbox for Java architects (in itself a > > valuable thing; I wish there were more of them) than a production > > application solving a business or social requirement. It's basically way > > too much Java and nowhere near enough XML. > > -chris > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org > For additional commands, e-ma