Re: Flex web deployment...
Hello, It looks very interesting! I ame considering using CheerpX but I can't find anything to start working with. Is there is a GIT project or some files I can get somewhere? Thanks in advance for the feedback! -- Sent from: http://apache-flex-users.246.n4.nabble.com/
Re: Flex web deployment...
Hey look this out I found also something pretty cool it seems that Silverlight is also back :) https://opensilver.net/announcements/introducing-opensilver.aspx 10.03.2020, 17:03, "Ramazan Ergüder Bekrek" : > To see the talk about the tech with demos you can watch this : > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JUs4c99-mo=youtu.be > > 10.03.2020, 16:18, "Carlos Rovira" : >> Thanks for sharing, sounds good, but still nothing real until it will be >> launched, and at that time I think people will need to evaluate it to see >> if it works as expected. For what they say it will only work on Chrome, >> that's not bad... and the idea itself seems promising. But time will tell >> if it goes to real >> Thanks for let us know! :) >> >> El mar., 10 mar. 2020 a las 15:44, Ramazan Ergüder Bekrek (< >> e.bek...@yandex.com>) escribió: >> >>> From my researches I found out that it will be possible to run Flash/Flex >>> applications after 2020 inside of the browser due to this new technology >>> which will use WebAssembly. >>> >>> >>> https://medium.com/leaningtech/preserving-flash-content-with-webassembly-done-right-eb6838b7e36f >>> >>> Maybe we don't need to freak out at all anymore. >> >> -- >> Carlos Rovira >> http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Flex web deployment...
To see the talk about the tech with demos you can watch this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JUs4c99-mo=youtu.be 10.03.2020, 16:18, "Carlos Rovira" : > Thanks for sharing, sounds good, but still nothing real until it will be > launched, and at that time I think people will need to evaluate it to see > if it works as expected. For what they say it will only work on Chrome, > that's not bad... and the idea itself seems promising. But time will tell > if it goes to real > Thanks for let us know! :) > > El mar., 10 mar. 2020 a las 15:44, Ramazan Ergüder Bekrek (< > e.bek...@yandex.com>) escribió: > >> From my researches I found out that it will be possible to run Flash/Flex >> applications after 2020 inside of the browser due to this new technology >> which will use WebAssembly. >> >> >> https://medium.com/leaningtech/preserving-flash-content-with-webassembly-done-right-eb6838b7e36f >> >> Maybe we don't need to freak out at all anymore. > > -- > Carlos Rovira > http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Flex web deployment...
Well I received this update and it seems to work pretty well now it is up to us to test it to see if our flex apps are running well. https://medium.com/leaningtech/running-flash-in-webassembly-using-cheerpx-an-update-d500b6fbc44e 10.03.2020, 16:18, "Carlos Rovira" : > Thanks for sharing, sounds good, but still nothing real until it will be > launched, and at that time I think people will need to evaluate it to see > if it works as expected. For what they say it will only work on Chrome, > that's not bad... and the idea itself seems promising. But time will tell > if it goes to real > Thanks for let us know! :) > > El mar., 10 mar. 2020 a las 15:44, Ramazan Ergüder Bekrek (< > e.bek...@yandex.com>) escribió: > >> From my researches I found out that it will be possible to run Flash/Flex >> applications after 2020 inside of the browser due to this new technology >> which will use WebAssembly. >> >> >> https://medium.com/leaningtech/preserving-flash-content-with-webassembly-done-right-eb6838b7e36f >> >> Maybe we don't need to freak out at all anymore. > > -- > Carlos Rovira > http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Flex web deployment...
Thanks for sharing, sounds good, but still nothing real until it will be launched, and at that time I think people will need to evaluate it to see if it works as expected. For what they say it will only work on Chrome, that's not bad... and the idea itself seems promising. But time will tell if it goes to real Thanks for let us know! :) El mar., 10 mar. 2020 a las 15:44, Ramazan Ergüder Bekrek (< e.bek...@yandex.com>) escribió: > From my researches I found out that it will be possible to run Flash/Flex > applications after 2020 inside of the browser due to this new technology > which will use WebAssembly. > > > https://medium.com/leaningtech/preserving-flash-content-with-webassembly-done-right-eb6838b7e36f > > Maybe we don't need to freak out at all anymore. > > > -- Carlos Rovira http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Flex web deployment...
>From my researches I found out that it will be possible to run Flash/Flex >applications after 2020 inside of the browser due to this new technology which >will use WebAssembly. https://medium.com/leaningtech/preserving-flash-content-with-webassembly-done-right-eb6838b7e36f Maybe we don't need to freak out at all anymore.
Re: Flex web deployment...
Hi Paul, Lots of people have AIR apps that are basically a startup shell that pull a SWF from a server and run it. Have you investigated that approach? No Flash plug-in involved at all. -Alex On 3/9/20, 9:23 PM, "Paul Stearns" wrote: Alex: Interesting idea. I would need to also figure out how to keep the myriad of SWF files which comprise the app up to date. Right now I depend on flash to get the latest version of a specific SWF file from the website. Browser caching is sometimes a problem. Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: Alex Harui Sent: 3/10/20 12:05 AM To: "users@flex.apache.org" , "pa...@compuace.com" Subject: Re: Flex web deployment... Without thinking about this too much, I don't think it makes sense to change Flash Player. The browsers don't want to allow it as a plugin. I don't know what it would take to duplicate however Java runs something it downloads to launch an AIR app. It would be interesting to see if you could create a Java wrapper that launches an AIR app. -Alex On 3/9/20, 2:26 PM, "Paul Stearns" wrote: Yes 5 was a typo. Should have been; Why couldn't Adobe/Harman changed Flash to use the methodology Java uses for deployment? For example I have a number of Java applications I use, "Mirth Connect" comes to mind, where you access it through a browser, but Mirth Connect is just really downloading a Java App, and running it. Another web loaded Java application I use includes iDrac from Dell. Since my applications are mostly self contained, this would work great for me. Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: "Frost, Andrew" Sent: 3/9/20 4:59 PM To: "users@flex.apache.org" Subject: Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Responding to a few of these: 1) what's the actual support of Adobe for Flash Player, or if it will left to Harman as part of the AIR deal [AF] Yes we have certain rights around the licensing of Flash Player, as we have had since the days of the OSP many years ago! but there are limitations to this :-) 2) Flash will be just present on AIR [AF] This is where we need to clarify terminology: "Flash" as a rendering engine and ActionScript VM, yes it's in AIR. "Flash Player" as a browser plug-in, no that's not in AIR and hasn't been for several years. 3) donating to Apache has no sense at all, since Flash Player has many licensed closed source parts that can't be open source [AF] Yes sadly this is very much true.. 4) Browser vendors are closing plugin doors [AF] and this is the crux of it. Doesn't matter if you're looking at Flash, Java, Silverlight, whatever .. plug-ins aren't going to be a viable solution longer term.. 5) Why couldn't Adobe/Harman changed Flash to use the methodology Flash uses for deployment? [AF] I'm assuming there's a typo, not quite sure what's meant, but the real issue is deployment via the web. If you can deploy a standalone application, then you can continue to use workarounds here, but if you need the app to be accessed via a standard browser then your best bet (for a Flex app) is likely to be Royale :-) thanks Andrew -Original Message- From: Paul Stearns Sent: 09 March 2020 19:47 To: Carlos Rovira ; users@flex.apache.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Spam] :Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? I am investing Royale, but haven't seen any results yet. I am showing my ignorance here, but, my confusion is, will Java still be deployable via web browsers? If so, what is the difference between using a web browser to deploy a Java app, and a Flash app? Why couldn't Adobe/Harmon changed Flash to use the methodology Flash uses for deployment? Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: Carlos Rovira Sent: 3/9/20 3:31 PM To: users@flex.apache.org, Paul Stearns Subject: [Spam] :Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Paul, must say don't know what's the actual support of Adobe for Flash Player, or if it will left to Harman as part of the AIR deal, maybe Andrew can give some light on this. Since Flash will be just present on AI
Re: Flex web deployment...
Alex: Interesting idea. I would need to also figure out how to keep the myriad of SWF files which comprise the app up to date. Right now I depend on flash to get the latest version of a specific SWF file from the website. Browser caching is sometimes a problem. Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: Alex Harui Sent: 3/10/20 12:05 AM To: "users@flex.apache.org" , "pa...@compuace.com" Subject: Re: Flex web deployment... Without thinking about this too much, I don't think it makes sense to change Flash Player. The browsers don't want to allow it as a plugin. I don't know what it would take to duplicate however Java runs something it downloads to launch an AIR app. It would be interesting to see if you could create a Java wrapper that launches an AIR app. -Alex On 3/9/20, 2:26 PM, "Paul Stearns" wrote: Yes 5 was a typo. Should have been; Why couldn't Adobe/Harman changed Flash to use the methodology Java uses for deployment? For example I have a number of Java applications I use, "Mirth Connect" comes to mind, where you access it through a browser, but Mirth Connect is just really downloading a Java App, and running it. Another web loaded Java application I use includes iDrac from Dell. Since my applications are mostly self contained, this would work great for me. Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: "Frost, Andrew" Sent: 3/9/20 4:59 PM To: "users@flex.apache.org" Subject: Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Responding to a few of these: 1) what's the actual support of Adobe for Flash Player, or if it will left to Harman as part of the AIR deal [AF] Yes we have certain rights around the licensing of Flash Player, as we have had since the days of the OSP many years ago! but there are limitations to this :-) 2) Flash will be just present on AIR [AF] This is where we need to clarify terminology: "Flash" as a rendering engine and ActionScript VM, yes it's in AIR. "Flash Player" as a browser plug-in, no that's not in AIR and hasn't been for several years. 3) donating to Apache has no sense at all, since Flash Player has many licensed closed source parts that can't be open source [AF] Yes sadly this is very much true.. 4) Browser vendors are closing plugin doors [AF] and this is the crux of it. Doesn't matter if you're looking at Flash, Java, Silverlight, whatever .. plug-ins aren't going to be a viable solution longer term.. 5) Why couldn't Adobe/Harman changed Flash to use the methodology Flash uses for deployment? [AF] I'm assuming there's a typo, not quite sure what's meant, but the real issue is deployment via the web. If you can deploy a standalone application, then you can continue to use workarounds here, but if you need the app to be accessed via a standard browser then your best bet (for a Flex app) is likely to be Royale :-) thanks Andrew -Original Message- From: Paul Stearns Sent: 09 March 2020 19:47 To: Carlos Rovira ; users@flex.apache.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Spam] :Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? I am investing Royale, but haven't seen any results yet. I am showing my ignorance here, but, my confusion is, will Java still be deployable via web browsers? If so, what is the difference between using a web browser to deploy a Java app, and a Flash app? Why couldn't Adobe/Harmon changed Flash to use the methodology Flash uses for deployment? Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: Carlos Rovira Sent: 3/9/20 3:31 PM To: users@flex.apache.org, Paul Stearns Subject: [Spam] :Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Paul, must say don't know what's the actual support of Adobe for Flash Player, or if it will left to Harman as part of the AIR deal, maybe Andrew can give some light on this. Since Flash will be just present on AIR, and not in any other place, that could have sense. But that will mean more maintenance effort and people needed by Harman. Anyway, donating to Apache has no sense at all, since Flash Player has many licensed closed source parts that can't be open source, or at least that's what they always says. But again...donating Flash Player and making it OS, if it could be something doable at some point (let's go utopic ;), does not change anything, since Browser vendors are closing plugin doors. So even in that case, it continue to be a death end. I think Apache Royale is this days in a very good shape, and is better each day... so I maybe people should give a try a
Re: Flex web deployment...
Without thinking about this too much, I don't think it makes sense to change Flash Player. The browsers don't want to allow it as a plugin. I don't know what it would take to duplicate however Java runs something it downloads to launch an AIR app. It would be interesting to see if you could create a Java wrapper that launches an AIR app. -Alex On 3/9/20, 2:26 PM, "Paul Stearns" wrote: Yes 5 was a typo. Should have been; Why couldn't Adobe/Harman changed Flash to use the methodology Java uses for deployment? For example I have a number of Java applications I use, "Mirth Connect" comes to mind, where you access it through a browser, but Mirth Connect is just really downloading a Java App, and running it. Another web loaded Java application I use includes iDrac from Dell. Since my applications are mostly self contained, this would work great for me. Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: "Frost, Andrew" Sent: 3/9/20 4:59 PM To: "users@flex.apache.org" Subject: Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Responding to a few of these: 1) what's the actual support of Adobe for Flash Player, or if it will left to Harman as part of the AIR deal [AF] Yes we have certain rights around the licensing of Flash Player, as we have had since the days of the OSP many years ago! but there are limitations to this :-) 2) Flash will be just present on AIR [AF] This is where we need to clarify terminology: "Flash" as a rendering engine and ActionScript VM, yes it's in AIR. "Flash Player" as a browser plug-in, no that's not in AIR and hasn't been for several years. 3) donating to Apache has no sense at all, since Flash Player has many licensed closed source parts that can't be open source [AF] Yes sadly this is very much true.. 4) Browser vendors are closing plugin doors [AF] and this is the crux of it. Doesn't matter if you're looking at Flash, Java, Silverlight, whatever .. plug-ins aren't going to be a viable solution longer term.. 5) Why couldn't Adobe/Harman changed Flash to use the methodology Flash uses for deployment? [AF] I'm assuming there's a typo, not quite sure what's meant, but the real issue is deployment via the web. If you can deploy a standalone application, then you can continue to use workarounds here, but if you need the app to be accessed via a standard browser then your best bet (for a Flex app) is likely to be Royale :-) thanks Andrew -Original Message- From: Paul Stearns Sent: 09 March 2020 19:47 To: Carlos Rovira ; users@flex.apache.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Spam] :Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? I am investing Royale, but haven't seen any results yet. I am showing my ignorance here, but, my confusion is, will Java still be deployable via web browsers? If so, what is the difference between using a web browser to deploy a Java app, and a Flash app? Why couldn't Adobe/Harmon changed Flash to use the methodology Flash uses for deployment? Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: Carlos Rovira Sent: 3/9/20 3:31 PM To: users@flex.apache.org, Paul Stearns Subject: [Spam] :Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Paul, must say don't know what's the actual support of Adobe for Flash Player, or if it will left to Harman as part of the AIR deal, maybe Andrew can give some light on this. Since Flash will be just present on AIR, and not in any other place, that could have sense. But that will mean more maintenance effort and people needed by Harman. Anyway, donating to Apache has no sense at all, since Flash Player has many licensed closed source parts that can't be open source, or at least that's what they always says. But again...donating Flash Player and making it OS, if it could be something doable at some point (let's go utopic ;), does not change anything, since Browser vendors are closing plugin doors. So even in that case, it continue to be a death end. I think Apache Royale is this days in a very good shape, and is better each day... so I maybe people should give a try and consider it as an option for the future. Thanks El lun., 9 mar. 2020 a las 20:04, Paul Stearns () escribió: Has Adobe stopped supporting it, and has not turned it over to Apache? Now that is just unconscionable. Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct.
Flex web deployment...
Yes 5 was a typo. Should have been; Why couldn't Adobe/Harman changed Flash to use the methodology Java uses for deployment? For example I have a number of Java applications I use, "Mirth Connect" comes to mind, where you access it through a browser, but Mirth Connect is just really downloading a Java App, and running it. Another web loaded Java application I use includes iDrac from Dell. Since my applications are mostly self contained, this would work great for me. Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: "Frost, Andrew" Sent: 3/9/20 4:59 PM To: "users@flex.apache.org" Subject: Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Responding to a few of these: 1) what's the actual support of Adobe for Flash Player, or if it will left to Harman as part of the AIR deal [AF] Yes we have certain rights around the licensing of Flash Player, as we have had since the days of the OSP many years ago! but there are limitations to this :-) 2) Flash will be just present on AIR [AF] This is where we need to clarify terminology: "Flash" as a rendering engine and ActionScript VM, yes it's in AIR. "Flash Player" as a browser plug-in, no that's not in AIR and hasn't been for several years. 3) donating to Apache has no sense at all, since Flash Player has many licensed closed source parts that can't be open source [AF] Yes sadly this is very much true.. 4) Browser vendors are closing plugin doors [AF] and this is the crux of it. Doesn't matter if you're looking at Flash, Java, Silverlight, whatever .. plug-ins aren't going to be a viable solution longer term.. 5) Why couldn't Adobe/Harman changed Flash to use the methodology Flash uses for deployment? [AF] I'm assuming there's a typo, not quite sure what's meant, but the real issue is deployment via the web. If you can deploy a standalone application, then you can continue to use workarounds here, but if you need the app to be accessed via a standard browser then your best bet (for a Flex app) is likely to be Royale :-) thanks Andrew -Original Message- From: Paul Stearns Sent: 09 March 2020 19:47 To: Carlos Rovira ; users@flex.apache.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Spam] :Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? I am investing Royale, but haven't seen any results yet. I am showing my ignorance here, but, my confusion is, will Java still be deployable via web browsers? If so, what is the difference between using a web browser to deploy a Java app, and a Flash app? Why couldn't Adobe/Harmon changed Flash to use the methodology Flash uses for deployment? Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: Carlos Rovira Sent: 3/9/20 3:31 PM To: users@flex.apache.org, Paul Stearns Subject: [Spam] :Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Paul, must say don't know what's the actual support of Adobe for Flash Player, or if it will left to Harman as part of the AIR deal, maybe Andrew can give some light on this. Since Flash will be just present on AIR, and not in any other place, that could have sense. But that will mean more maintenance effort and people needed by Harman. Anyway, donating to Apache has no sense at all, since Flash Player has many licensed closed source parts that can't be open source, or at least that's what they always says. But again...donating Flash Player and making it OS, if it could be something doable at some point (let's go utopic ;), does not change anything, since Browser vendors are closing plugin doors. So even in that case, it continue to be a death end. I think Apache Royale is this days in a very good shape, and is better each day... so I maybe people should give a try and consider it as an option for the future. Thanks El lun., 9 mar. 2020 a las 20:04, Paul Stearns () escribió: Has Adobe stopped supporting it, and has not turned it over to Apache? Now that is just unconscionable. Paul R. Stearns Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. 15280 NW 79th Ct. Suite 250 Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 Fax: (305)623-4588 From: Carlos Rovira Sent: 3/9/20 1:28 PM To: users@flex.apache.org, Paul Stearns Subject: Re: Flex 4.16.1 broken for AIR33.1? Hi Paul, not bad idea, but don't know a browser that will support Flash, and the problem is Adobe is stopping supporting flash player as a plugin, so I'm afraid that's not possible. El lun., 9 mar. 2020 a las 17:40, Paul Stearns () escribió: > Better yet, how about supporting a browser whose main feature is the > support of Flex? > > My applications are 99.9% flex. The main things I use the browser for > is application deployment, file upload/download and displaying PDF files.. > > Paul R. Stearns > Advanced
