[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
@Mark Stanton What you say is true. Symphony was indeed created in the 80's. But that doesn't mean that version 3 is not based on OpenOffice ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Lotus_Symphony BTW If you follow the link I provided you will notice at the end of the page the following sentence just after the OpenOffice logo and before the Copyright notice "Lotus Symphony is based on OpenOffice.org Technology and supports the ODF standard, ISO 26300" As you can see we are both right :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ellison-s-Oracle-washes-hands-of-OpenOffice-tp2826546p2833355.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Is There a Better Way to Paste Spreadsheet in Writer Table?
I need to transfer spreadsheet data into a table, so that I may use the Table caption in Writer. Consistency is very important as this is a thesis, so table data can't be captioned as Figure. The current way method I am employing is to: 1. select all data cells I wish to copy; 2. Paste Special in Writer; 3. Select all data that has been pasted, and click the Table icon; 4. Select table, in Styles and Formatting, select Table Contents to apply style; 5. Caption. Does anyone have a better suggestion? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
@Plino Win/win? Fabulous! :-) Nope, didn't have a chance to read to the end of the page. I probably don't believe them, in any but the most superficial sense, but then I get very cynical sometimes ;-) Thanks for that Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Is There a Better Way to Paste Spreadsheet in Writer Table?
Hi Rewarp, Rewarp schrieb: I need to transfer spreadsheet data into a table, so that I may use the Table caption in Writer. Consistency is very important as this is a thesis, so table data can't be captioned as Figure. The current way method I am employing is to: 1. select all data cells I wish to copy; 2. Paste Special in Writer; 3. Select all data that has been pasted, and click the Table icon; 4. Select table, in Styles and Formatting, select Table Contents to apply style; 5. Caption. Does anyone have a better suggestion? If you use RTF or HTML-format when inserting, you get directly a table. In RTF some of the formattings of the Calc table are retained. If you insert a picture–which might be necessary for 90°rotation of large tables–then you can choose category "table" in the caption dialog to get it count as table. Kind regards Regina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Positive result & story to share
Hi, Thanks for sharing! Nice story. Being the only Linux/Libreoffice user at my workplace I now get requests like: "could you open this MS Word/MS excel 2007/2010 which I can't open on my XP version?" or "I know you have a programme which can save a PDF of this document out of the box... " etc. These IMHO are tangible day-to-day results which are very good points in favour. Lorenzo. Original Message Subject: [libreoffice-users] Positive result & story to share From: bunk3m To: users@libreoffice.org Date: 17/04/11 20:17 > Normally the list is about problems and solutions. > > So I wanted to share something with everyone that is positive. > > My son has a school supplied laptop that only has MS Office (XP). It is > locked down so tight that we can't install anything onto it. > > He prepared his Powerpoint presentation (in .ppt), put it on a USB key > and took it to school. > > But it wouldn't load on the PC at school running MS Office 2007. :-( > > It also wouldn't open on my Mac running Office 2011. :-( > I tried Office 2011 because I thought the MS formats would be > compatible. Wrong. > > I use Libreoffice more than Office so I thought we would try it. (I > also test the betas) > > The presentation opened without any problem. We saved it to PDF so he > could take it to school. The pdf worked OK. > > So all you developers, be pleased with your work! It is getting better > and better. In many cases, I now see it is better than MS Office! > Congratulations! > > A win for Libreoffice!! > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Is There a Better Way to Paste Spreadsheet in Writer Table?
Hi Regina. > If you use RTF or HTML-format when inserting, you get directly a table. In > RTF some of the formattings of the Calc table are retained. > Pasting the data as RTF caused one of the columns to shrink until no data could be read. Pasting as HTML gave me a nicely expanded table which filled the entire page. Nearly no formatting required. Thank you for the prompt response! On 18 April 2011 17:34, Regina Henschel wrote: > Hi Rewarp, > > Rewarp schrieb: > >> I need to transfer spreadsheet data into a table, so that I may use the >> Table caption in Writer. Consistency is very important as this is a >> thesis, >> so table data can't be captioned as Figure. >> >> The current way method I am employing is to: >> >>1. select all data cells I wish to copy; >>2. Paste Special in Writer; >>3. Select all data that has been pasted, and click the Table icon; >>4. Select table, in Styles and Formatting, select Table Contents to >> apply >>style; >>5. Caption. >> >> >> Does anyone have a better suggestion? >> >> > If you use RTF or HTML-format when inserting, you get directly a table. In > RTF some of the formattings of the Calc table are retained. > > If you insert a picture–which might be necessary for 90°rotation of large > tables–then you can choose category "table" in the caption dialog to get it > count as table. > > Kind regards > Regina > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Compatibility
Do not forget that MS Op Systems and Office apps gave us universal communication. Apart from the occasional blue screen, my XP runs without hassle. With Linux I get the feeling that like dedicated lovers of Series 2 Landrovers, you have to be seriously technical and keep your spanners with you at all times. I long for the day I can use LibO, knowing any document I create can be read by business colleagues world-wide on MS systems. Right now that's not the case, for example each time I send an Impress file to an MS PP user and it blows up it further demonstrates the gulf that currently exists between open and closed systems. Much as though I detest the latest edition of powerpoint and it's anal GUI, I have no choice but to use it I can't afford the time to write in Impress and then spend a day trying to make it work in PP. If you really want to hurt Uncle Bob then LibO must get it's act to together asap and ensure all LibO office apps are compatible to the extent that it allows trouble free document exchange between the open and closed systems. That way the MS user brigade will get confidence and hopefully may switch over... but until that day then Uncle Bob will rule the roost. Maybe someone can answer this? when will a LibO developer(s) focus on compatibility between MS and LibO and realise the way to sink MS is to prove reliability and compatibility in LibO. Meantime will someone please resolve why Impress (slides) with embedded sound files loses them when trying to convert to ppt? In addition why LibO Impress can sometimes lose the audiofile links (to MP3 files) all on it's own! without any help from PP, Meantime i try and use LibO as much as is practical but am forced to use MS office whenever it's for distribution. Sad. Timi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
From: planas To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 4:28:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 21:41 -0400, Wayne Borean wrote: > In that case, you can see where I'm leading the conversation, and why my > concept of 'Free Software Darwinism' could be really important to us, and > scary as hell to Microsoft. > > Wayne > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, plino wrote: > > > @Wayne > > > > Being a biologist, I find your Evolution parallel quite interesting. > > > > Answering your previous question: of course IBM has it's own flavour of > > Office (based on OpenOffice in fact): it's called IBM Lotus Symphony > > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/products > > > > Enjoy! ;) > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > >http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ellison-s-Oracle-washes-hands-of-OpenOffice-tp2826546p2832723.html > > > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > Wayne I would think some the hardware vendors would promote FOSS more. They can benefit from the hardware sales. I can see why MS hates FOSS, they are almost a pure software vendor and FOSS hurts their sales. Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com Hi :) unfortunately hardware vendors profit from selling MS pre-installed and the more junk they can have pre-installed the more they profit. MS sells them special licences to install at a discount bargain rate. If hardware vendors put Free Software on instead then their profit margins would be lower. If you try to buy something with NO software on it then the hardware actually costs more so people buy stuff that already had MS pre-installed even if they don't want to use it and then wipe the MS stuff to install Linux or Bsd or something. This sounds completely mad to me. It's one way that MS can claim such high figures when we know that linux usage is so much higher than MS sponsored surveys show. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Positive result & story to share
Fantastic :) Yes, MS Office is very different from one machine to the next. Something simple like printer settings can significantly change the appearance of a document. If the version of MSO is different, say the school used 2010 and at home you had 2007 or 2003 then breakages are likely. The surprise is to hear the LibreOffice was able to present the document decently. That is great to hear as the devs appear to have put a lot of work into that recently. Many thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 2:18:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Positive result & story to share This case is probably not alone. My daughter sent her homework home from school as a .docx from MSO 2010. It opened terribly on her MSO starter 2010 version at home, hardly repairable. It opened better in LO and could be repaired, completed and sent back. steve On 2011-04-18 12:53, Wayne Borean wrote: > Can I quote this story for an article? > > Wayne > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:17 PM, bunk3m wrote: > > >> Normally the list is about problems and solutions. >> >> So I wanted to share something with everyone that is positive. >> >> My son has a school supplied laptop that only has MS Office (XP). It is >> locked down so tight that we can't install anything onto it. >> >> He prepared his Powerpoint presentation (in .ppt), put it on a USB key >> and took it to school. >> >> But it wouldn't load on the PC at school running MS Office 2007. :-( >> >> It also wouldn't open on my Mac running Office 2011. :-( >> I tried Office 2011 because I thought the MS formats would be >> compatible. Wrong. >> >> I use Libreoffice more than Office so I thought we would try it. (I >> also test the betas) >> >> The presentation opened without any problem. We saved it to PDF so he >> could take it to school. The pdf worked OK. >> >> So all you developers, be pleased with your work! It is getting better >> and better. In many cases, I now see it is better than MS Office! >> Congratulations! >> >> A win for Libreoffice!! >> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility
Hi Il 18/04/2011 9.26, t...@iafrica.com ha scritto: Right now that's not the case, for example each time I send an Impress file to an MS PP user and it blows up it further demonstrates the gulf that currently exists between open and closed systems. MS PP can install Lib0... Lib0 users can't install MS PP without a valid license Much as though I detest the latest edition of powerpoint and it's anal GUI, I have no choice but to use it I can't afford the time to write in Impress and then spend a day trying to make it work in PP. use Lib0 directly (if possible, see previous point) If you really want to hurt Uncle Bob then LibO must get it's act to together asap and ensure all LibO office apps are compatible to the extent that it allows trouble free document exchange between the open and closed systems. Closed application can change file format or application interfaces at every release... it's better that MS users begin to use free software also on Windows system. Yes, it's possible;-) That way the MS user brigade will get confidence and hopefully may switch over... but until that day then Uncle Bob will rule the roost. Migration is possible only if planned and desired... this is not only a technical problem Maybe someone can answer this? when will a LibO developer(s) focus on compatibility between MS and LibO and realise the way to sink MS is to prove reliability and compatibility in LibO. This is only one goal... not the mission of Lib0. Cheers Stefano -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility
Hi :) I agree. You originally asked for help in this list over a week ago and no-one was able to give any good answers. I gave a couple of pointers (i hope i remembered) and you put a lot of work into trying to get the slides working. It is frustrating that we can't crack the ppt format yet. My usual work-around is to give the LibreOffice download link to people i send stuff too but it's not always a viable option. It works for Adobe's .pdfs but doesn't work for us often enough. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: "t...@iafrica.com" To: wbor...@gmail.com; users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 8:26:08 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility Do not forget that MS Op Systems and Office apps gave us universal communication. Apart from the occasional blue screen, my XP runs without hassle. With Linux I get the feeling that like dedicated lovers of Series 2 Landrovers, you have to be seriously technical and keep your spanners with you at all times. I long for the day I can use LibO, knowing any document I create can be read by business colleagues world-wide on MS systems. Right now that's not the case, for example each time I send an Impress file to an MS PP user and it blows up it further demonstrates the gulf that currently exists between open and closed systems. Much as though I detest the latest edition of powerpoint and it's anal GUI, I have no choice but to use it I can't afford the time to write in Impress and then spend a day trying to make it work in PP. If you really want to hurt Uncle Bob then LibO must get it's act to together asap and ensure all LibO office apps are compatible to the extent that it allows trouble free document exchange between the open and closed systems. That way the MS user brigade will get confidence and hopefully may switch over... but until that day then Uncle Bob will rule the roost. Maybe someone can answer this? when will a LibO developer(s) focus on compatibility between MS and LibO and realise the way to sink MS is to prove reliability and compatibility in LibO. Meantime will someone please resolve why Impress (slides) with embedded sound files loses them when trying to convert to ppt? In addition why LibO Impress can sometimes lose the audiofile links (to MP3 files) all on it's own! without any help from PP, Meantime i try and use LibO as much as is practical but am forced to use MS office whenever it's for distribution. Sad. Timi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Opening a PPS file in not-presentation mode
Hi :) I think you only need to copy&paste the pps and then rename the ending from .pps to .ppt. Of course you don't really need to copy&paste or duplicate the files at all, just rename them. Personally i would always keep the original as untouched as possible just in case! Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Hugo Osvaldo Barrera To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 7:20:08 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Opening a PPS file in not-presentation mode Hi all, I'm trying to open PPS files but *not* in presentation mode. For some reason, all presentation files, are opened in presentation mode, and when I hit ESC, LO just closes. Pressing F5 does nothing, and right click does not give me an option. I read online that I need to rename files, or something similar, is this so? Do I need to move the files over to a rw mount, and rename them in order to just open them in non-presentation mode, or was I just fed rubbish? Thank all, -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] question
A lot of people are growing up with the ribbon bar. Our menu system might be better but it looks very old and dated now. People often want things that look new however sad that is. Regards from Tom :) From: Wayne Borean To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 3:05:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] question Ah, but the Ribbon menu is important. It's another evolutionary option for the interface. Whether you like it or not is to a certain extent a matter of taste. Quite frankly I hated using a GUI for a long time. It slowed me down too much. It still does slow me down in some ways, a command line is more efficient IF YOU KNOW THE SYSTEM WELL. If you don't, a GUI is easier. And some of it is simply a matter of taste. If you grew up with curry on your food, it won't taste right without it. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Bruce Carlson wrote: > Yes I can understand how you, thinking that you are younger, feeling like > you are mature, and all the time it is your inexperience that is restricting > you to see only what is put in front of you and you are unable to use logic > to put together all that surrounds you so therefore you, as are many other Y > generationalists, (but not all), willing to accept only what you are told > and unable to think outside the square you are ordered to live in. > To be honest with us and with yourself, if the reason you will not use LO > is because you will only use an office suite if has ribbon button menus than > you are the exact petty minded person that Microsoft relies on for it's > future profits. > > > Bruce Carlson > an X gernerationalist. > > > -Original Message- > From: Csenger Attila Szabó [mailto:csenge...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 6:06 PM > To: users@libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] question > > OK, in my case, the only reason why I DON'T use LO is the lack of ribbon. > I accept that not everyone likes that, that's why I wrote the idea of an > extensions or plugin. So those who like the ribbon would be able to use it. > @Bruce: I have to disagree with you, I find the ribbon much faster and > easier to use. And I'm not the only one, many of the people around, > especially the younger ones find much more useful the ribbon than the > dropdown menus. > I know that those who get used to the menu-style won't like any other > solution, but you are not the only ones. > So what about the plugin/extension thing? > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting > guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility
Hi, Sorry if I'm repeating things already said, but the thread seems broken, so I may have missed some responses... PDF export is usually the best fall-back solution if you don't have any jazzy effects etc. Simply works on 99% machines and is pretty fast. Asking people to download and install Libreoffice is indeed not feasible especially in work environments where even if they may be willing to install, they may not have the rights to, should call a sysadmin etc. Maybe it would make sense to have a lighter, portable Impress Viewer, similar to PDF viewers to possibly bundle or link to when sending presentations? One interesting thing I've seen and experimented with lately is a tool enabling to create presentations from Inkscape [1] called JessyInk [2]. While making a presentation in a vector graphics program may sound a bit crazy and certainly geeky, the most interesting thing is that slideshows created this way are saved to SVG format and in turn can be presented in a 'modern' browser (like Firefox 4 and chrom[ium][e]) including cool effects, zoom-in zoom-out etc. So... maybe it would make sense to have a SVG exp[/imp]orter in Impress? Just some thoughts. Lorenzo. [1] http://inkscape.org/ [2] http://code.google.com/p/jessyink/ Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > > I agree. You originally asked for help in this list over a week ago and > no-one > was able to give any good answers. I gave a couple of pointers (i hope i > remembered) and you put a lot of work into trying to get the slides working. > It > is frustrating that we can't crack the ppt format yet. > > My usual work-around is to give the LibreOffice download link to people i > send > stuff too but it's not always a viable option. It works for Adobe's .pdfs > but > doesn't work for us often enough. > > Apols and regards from > Tom :) > > > > > > From: "t...@iafrica.com" > To: wbor...@gmail.com; users@libreoffice.org > Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 8:26:08 > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility > > Do not forget that MS Op Systems and Office apps gave us universal > communication. Apart > > from the occasional blue screen, my XP runs without hassle. With Linux I get > the > feeling that > > like dedicated lovers of Series 2 Landrovers, you have to be seriously > technical > and keep > > your spanners with you at all times. > > I long for the day I can use LibO, knowing any document I create can be read > by > business > > colleagues world-wide on MS systems. > > Right now that's not the case, for example each time I send an Impress file > to > an MS PP user > > and it blows up it further demonstrates the gulf that currently exists > between > open and closed > > systems. > > Much as though I detest the latest edition of powerpoint and it's anal GUI, I > have no choice > > but to use it I can't afford the time to write in Impress and then spend > a > day trying to make > > it work in PP. > > If you really want to hurt Uncle Bob then LibO must get it's act to together > asap and ensure > > all LibO office apps are compatible to the extent that it allows trouble free > document > > exchange between the open and closed systems. > > That way the MS user brigade will get confidence and hopefully may switch > over... but until > > that day then Uncle Bob will rule the roost. > > Maybe someone can answer this? when will a LibO developer(s) focus on > compatibility > > between MS and LibO and realise the way to sink MS is to prove > reliability > and > > compatibility in LibO. > > Meantime will someone please resolve why Impress (slides) with embedded sound > files > > loses them when trying to convert to ppt? In addition why LibO Impress can > sometimes lose > > the audiofile links (to MP3 files) all on it's own! without any help from PP, > > Meantime i try and use LibO as much as is practical but am forced to use MS > office > > whenever it's for distribution. > > Sad. > > > Timi > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: For MS interoperability- Legacy formats or OOXML?
A memo got sent around the office and would then be passed on to the next person in the chain rather than people being given their own copy. One was particularly irksome so i was about to write "Balls" or something perhaps ruder but then saw the list of people it would go to next, included my boss. So i tempered it down to "Round objects". About a week later a 2nd memo appeared saying "Who is Round and to what does he object?" Regards from Tom :) From: Wayne Borean To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 1:35:06 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: For MS interoperability- Legacy formats or OOXML? Roger, Do you still have a copy of that memo? Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Roger T. Imai wrote: > Problems with OOXML conversions could be seen as intended by design by > Microsoft, which is attempting to supplant the simpler OpenDocument > Format standard with its own complex inscrutable standards. > > Years ago, I found a copy of a memo that appeared to be written by > Bill Gates in response to an accidental posting of the proprietary > MSOffice Document standards on a public board -- the standard was > quickly grabbed by programmers, and shortly after all the MS Office > competitors released versions that were completely Microsoft Office > XP-compliant. > > But, you can probably find better information that I can provide here > by Googling ODF vs OOXML . > > I believe that the legacy Office formats are handled quite well by > open source Office applications because they had the original coding > for it, and that Microsoft is attempting to re-establish > format-dominance with its version of OOXML which is so complicated > that it is difficult to convert. > > > > > The OOXML format doesn't seem to be properly implemented by MS Office > even tho i > > thought they drew up the specifications for it (i could easily be wrong > about > > that and don't care if i am). Ahh well. Hopefully it will all settle > down a > > bit soon. > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Looking for Spanish language Testers - first look at NA in Spanish
The first Draft of the Spanish version of the North American DVD is online DVD Comunidad Norteamericana There are many things that need to be edited, but this is the Community's first look at these Spanish pages. So I am putting out a call for Spanish language Testers. I do not speak/read Spanish, so I cannot evaluate the content. We need people who speak Spanish to help us test our Spanish version of the English DVD. In a few days, I hope to have the navigation bar issues fixed on some of the pages, and a few known errors. Main Page http://libreoffice-na.us/ Spanish - Multi-Platform http://libreoffice-na.us/Spanish/index.html Spanish - Windows-only http://libreoffice-na.us/Spanish-Windows/index.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [Lib0 3.4] Default export folder for pdf files
Hi, Lib0 3.4 beta1 does not remember last used folder neither the default directory when export files to pdf. Lib0 try to save even in gallery folder (C:\Documents and settings\stefano\Dati Applicazioni\LibreOffice\3\user\gallery). Is a bug? Stefano -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
It has turned out to be very interesting discussion. And surprise surprise that MS is dying a slow death. There have been comments on the early age of computing (when I wasn't even born) and worked on Intel branded crap hardware. Nevertheless, this is the time to focus on the User Interface. The "ribbon interface" is not the "de-facto" standard but it becomes a frustrating exercise to get people to shift to a new software if they are used to seeing the familiar controls. I have faced this issue many times while trying to convince different users to shift to FOSS and this obviously is a big issue. I had raised the issue in local mailing lists (for Linux) and like bunch of retards professed their helplessness. Hence, this is the time to seize the moment and bring out the dazzle. The latest version of Libre Office is brilliant (I am using Linux Mint 10) and has done a great amount of work as far as the stability is concerned. There are excellent suggestions for working on the user interface and then it would squarely kick MS's ass (and groins) where it hurts them at the most. Hope this helps. Cheers! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Libreoffice
I have recently bought a new desktop running Windows 7 Home premium(64bit) I have tried to download and install your office suite . I have been able to download the file but unable to install. I click the unpack but at the point of nearly 100% I get the message- Error opening file for writing. Can you help in any way. Thanks Brian Martin -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
Possibly an alternate UI for LO could be a Right Click anywhere on the Window, Enlightenment and XFCE use this to bring up the Main Menu in addition to having a drop down menu. Wayne On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Stereotactic wrote: > It has turned out to be very interesting discussion. And surprise surprise > that MS is dying a slow death. There have been comments on the early age of > computing (when I wasn't even born) and worked on Intel branded crap > hardware. > > Nevertheless, this is the time to focus on the User Interface. The "ribbon > interface" is not the "de-facto" standard but it becomes a frustrating > exercise to get people to shift to a new software if they are used to seeing > the familiar controls. I have faced this issue many times while trying to > convince different users to shift to FOSS and this obviously is a big issue. > I had raised the issue in local mailing lists (for Linux) and like bunch of > retards professed their helplessness. > > Hence, this is the time to seize the moment and bring out the dazzle. The > latest version of Libre Office is brilliant (I am using Linux Mint 10) and > has done a great amount of work as far as the stability is concerned. There > are excellent suggestions for working on the user interface and then it > would squarely kick MS's ass (and groins) where it hurts them at the most. > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers! > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility
Tom. While I agree with Timi's case to some extent, let's move toward ending bluescreens. While some pdf's may pose a problem, it's not always the case. MSO /is/ the problem. I'm not prejudiced. My stance is simply based on experience! That's why I have used an iMAC for so long. Blue screens don't exist. That's why I use NeoOffice, OpenOffice, and LibreOfffice, as well, for fun. MSOffice is an undeserved burden! I'm sorry - or perhaps not so sorry about my opinion. iMac is a better OS solution for people buying new computers. They can easily install Win if they think they have to which, for some reason, is inexplicable to me. iMAC has an automatic, separate partition to do so, or for any OS other than MS for that matter. Use iMAC's Unix version or Ubuntu. It doesn't matter. MAC and Unix are better! Glenn On 4/18/11 7:45 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I agree. You originally asked for help in this list over a week ago and no-one was able to give any good answers. I gave a couple of pointers (i hope i remembered) and you put a lot of work into trying to get the slides working. It is frustrating that we can't crack the ppt format yet. My usual work-around is to give the LibreOffice download link to people i send stuff too but it's not always a viable option. It works for Adobe's .pdfs but doesn't work for us often enough. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: "t...@iafrica.com" To: wbor...@gmail.com; users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 8:26:08 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility Do not forget that MS Op Systems and Office apps gave us universal communication. Apart from the occasional blue screen, my XP runs without hassle. With Linux I get the feeling that like dedicated lovers of Series 2 Landrovers, you have to be seriously technical and keep your spanners with you at all times. I long for the day I can use LibO, knowing any document I create can be read by business colleagues world-wide on MS systems. Right now that's not the case, for example each time I send an Impress file to an MS PP user and it blows up it further demonstrates the gulf that currently exists between open and closed systems. Much as though I detest the latest edition of powerpoint and it's anal GUI, I have no choice but to use it I can't afford the time to write in Impress and then spend a day trying to make it work in PP. If you really want to hurt Uncle Bob then LibO must get it's act to together asap and ensure all LibO office apps are compatible to the extent that it allows trouble free document exchange between the open and closed systems. That way the MS user brigade will get confidence and hopefully may switch over... but until that day then Uncle Bob will rule the roost. Maybe someone can answer this? when will a LibO developer(s) focus on compatibility between MS and LibO and realise the way to sink MS is to prove reliability and compatibility in LibO. Meantime will someone please resolve why Impress (slides) with embedded sound files loses them when trying to convert to ppt? In addition why LibO Impress can sometimes lose the audiofile links (to MP3 files) all on it's own! without any help from PP, Meantime i try and use LibO as much as is practical but am forced to use MS office whenever it's for distribution. Sad. Timi -- Glenn "What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation." T. S. Eliot, "Four Quartets" -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
On 4/18/11 8:11 AM, Glenn wrote: iMAC has an automatic, separate partition to do so, or for any OS other than MS for that matter. Use iMAC's Unix version or Ubuntu. It doesn't matter. MAC and Unix are better! This has me totally confused. I also have an iMac. Are you referring to using Boot Camp when you say "automatic, separate partition"? Ken -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
@Wayne I think that the BEST option would be to have 3 options available: 1) Classic menu 2) Ribbon and 3) the Future ;) (By the Future I'm referring to this topic http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Impressive-mockups-td2389105.html) The UI could be selected on first use (or later in some configuration option) by presenting the user with a screenshot of each of the possibilities ;) Returning to the topic, I think that if there isn't a paid version with professional support, the future looks dark for OOo/LO. So, Oracle dropping support for OOo is extremely bad for LO as well. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ellison-s-Oracle-washes-hands-of-OpenOffice-tp2826546p2834650.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
Hi, Yes. I suppose it must be BootCamp. I have used an iMAC for so long, I guess I forget. I apologize for the confusion. I'll look into it further before troubling you anymore. Glenn "What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation." T. S. Eliot, "Four Quartets" On 4/18/11 10:21 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 4/18/11 8:11 AM, Glenn wrote: iMAC has an automatic, separate partition to do so, or for any OS other than MS for that matter. Use iMAC's Unix version or Ubuntu. It doesn't matter. MAC and Unix are better! This has me totally confused. I also have an iMac. Are you referring to using Boot Camp when you say "automatic, separate partition"? Ken -- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
On 4/18/11 8:59 AM, Glenn wrote: Hi, Yes. I suppose it must be BootCamp. I have used an iMAC for so long, I guess I forget. I apologize for the confusion. I'll look into it further before troubling you anymore. Glenn It was no trouble for me, in fact, it was a good thing. I never used Boot Camp myself, as I wanted my Windows to run side by side with OS X, so I always used Parallels Desktop. But I've been wanting to give some distro of Linux a good try, and your post got me to wondering... Maybe I can use the Boot Camp ability and install Linux instead of Windows. I have dedicated Windows boxes. Ken -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe
Please take my name off the list - I have been getting 40 message every day that i don't want. Several time I have sent message to the user group asking to be removed but nothing happens - not even a reply. Please Help. Dwayne Barber dwa...@sasktel.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe
On 04/18/2011 11:43 AM, Dwayne Barber wrote: Please take my name off the list - I have been getting 40 message every day that i don't want. Several time I have sent message to the user group asking to be removed but nothing happens - not even a reply. Please Help. Dwayne Barber dwa...@sasktel.net Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail tousers+h...@libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
Reverse experience here. I stopped doing maintenance on my computers after I dumped Windows. Best move I ever made, it freed up a ton of time for more productive things. As to Microsoft giving us universal communications - horse manure. It was MicroPro that did that, with WordStar, back when the most advanced Microsoft editor was EDLIN.COM Wayne On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:26 AM, wrote: > Do not forget that MS Op Systems and Office apps gave us universal > communication. Apart > from the occasional blue screen, my XP runs without hassle. With Linux I > get the feeling that > like dedicated lovers of Series 2 Landrovers, you have to be seriously > technical and keep > your spanners with you at all times. > > I long for the day I can use LibO, knowing any document I create can be > read by business > colleagues world-wide on MS systems. > > Right now that's not the case, for example each time I send an Impress file > to an MS PP user > and it blows up it further demonstrates the gulf that currently exists > between open and closed > systems. > > Much as though I detest the latest edition of powerpoint and it's anal GUI, > I have no choice > but to use it I can't afford the time to write in Impress and then > spend a day trying to make > it work in PP. > > If you really want to hurt Uncle Bob then LibO must get it's act to > together asap and ensure > all LibO office apps are compatible to the extent that it allows trouble > free document > exchange between the open and closed systems. > > That way the MS user brigade will get confidence and hopefully may switch > over... but until > that day then Uncle Bob will rule the roost. > > Maybe someone can answer this? when will a LibO developer(s) focus on > compatibility > between MS and LibO and realise the way to sink MS is to prove > reliability and > compatibility in LibO. > > Meantime will someone please resolve why Impress (slides) with embedded > sound files > loses them when trying to convert to ppt? In addition why LibO Impress can > sometimes lose > the audiofile links (to MP3 files) all on it's own! without any help from > PP, > > Meantime i try and use LibO as much as is practical but am forced to use MS > office > whenever it's for distribution. > > Sad. > > > Timi > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
Um, yes, the thread is messed up. Never used Parallels or Boot Camp myself, but I have had good success with Virtual Box from Oracle/Sun. It's a bit tricky the first go around, but once you get used to it, it's really neat, and you can run as many different operating systems as you have disk space for. At one time when I was really feeling insane I had 20 different Virtual Machines set up. Ended up deleting most of them - let's face it. No one has the time to run 20 different virtual machines :) But you can do it. And Virtual Box comes in Linux, OS X, Windows, and BSD versions, so you can use the same program on different boxes. Just like LO/OO. Wayne -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe
[ From users@libreoffice.org (Scott Castaline) on Monday, April 18, 2011 ] > On 04/18/2011 11:43 AM, Dwayne Barber wrote: >> Please take my name off the list - I have been getting 40 message every day >> that i don't want. Several time I have sent message to the user group asking >> to be removed but nothing happens - not even a reply. >> >> Please Help. >> >> Dwayne Barber >> dwa...@sasktel.net >> > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail tousers+h...@libreoffice.org That doesn't always work - Apparently not for me at least. My email address on this list is a redirect to my actual ISP address (which has worked fine for years everywhere else). So, when I try to unsub, it bounces every time. When I use my actual address, of course it comes back as non-subscribed. And apparently there's no web interface for managing list subscriptions so I guess I'll just have to flag the list itself as spam so I don't see it any more. -- Len Philpot - l e n @ p h i l p o t . o r g (no spaces) ><> http://philpot.org/ - http://lphilpot.zenfolio.com Read my story: http://www.mostimportantthing.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
On 4/18/11 11:48 AM, Wayne Borean wrote: Um, yes, the thread is messed up. Never used Parallels or Boot Camp myself, but I have had good success with Virtual Box from Oracle/Sun. It's a bit tricky the first go around, but once you get used to it, it's really neat, and you can run as many different operating systems as you have disk space for. At one time when I was really feeling insane I had 20 different Virtual Machines set up. Ended up deleting most of them - let's face it. No one has the time to run 20 different virtual machines :) But you can do it. And Virtual Box comes in Linux, OS X, Windows, and BSD versions, so you can use the same program on different boxes. Just like LO/OO. Wayne The downside of any virtual machine, i.e. Parallels, Virtual Box, and VM Fusionware, is it uses part of the computer's RAM inside of OS X, leaving you with less RAM for OS X to use. Essentially, you are multitasking your computer to death. With Boot Camp, it's an either/or situation. Run Boot Camp with a different OS, no OS X available, or run OS X. You've basically switched to a different computer, just using the same hardware. Just another way of doing a multiboot situation, which I also have thought about doing on my iMac. Ken -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
Ken, Agreed. But for testing, it's perfect. Wayne On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote: > On 4/18/11 11:48 AM, Wayne Borean wrote: > >> Um, yes, the thread is messed up. Never used Parallels or Boot Camp >> myself, >> but I have had good success with Virtual Box from Oracle/Sun. It's a bit >> tricky the first go around, but once you get used to it, it's really neat, >> and you can run as many different operating systems as you have disk space >> for. At one time when I was really feeling insane I had 20 different >> Virtual >> Machines set up. >> >> Ended up deleting most of them - let's face it. No one has the time to run >> 20 different virtual machines :) But you can do it. And Virtual Box comes >> in >> Linux, OS X, Windows, and BSD versions, so you can use the same program on >> different boxes. >> >> Just like LO/OO. >> >> Wayne >> >> > The downside of any virtual machine, i.e. Parallels, Virtual Box, and VM > Fusionware, is it uses part of the computer's RAM inside of OS X, leaving > you with less RAM for OS X to use. Essentially, you are multitasking your > computer to death. > > With Boot Camp, it's an either/or situation. Run Boot Camp with a > different OS, no OS X available, or run OS X. You've basically switched to > a different computer, just using the same hardware. Just another way of > doing a multiboot situation, which I also have thought about doing on my > iMac. > > > > Ken > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: question
Can't answer the OP's question, huh? So you initiate a useless diatribe ... and end with a condescending attitude of pure tripe. You're sure great In news:001401cbfd6b$12dd1d80$38975880$@grahamgroup.com.au, Bruce Carlson typed: > Yes I can understand how you, thinking that you are > younger, feeling like you are mature, and all the time it > is your inexperience that is restricting you to see only > what is put in front of you and you are unable to use > logic to put together all that surrounds you so therefore > you, as are many other Y generationalists, (but not all), > willing to accept only what you are told and unable to > think outside the square you are ordered to live in. To > be honest with us and with yourself, if the reason you > will not use LO is because you will only use an office > suite if has ribbon button menus than you are the exact > petty minded person that Microsoft relies on for it's > future profits. > > > Bruce Carlson > an X gernerationalist. > > > -Original Message- > From: Csenger Attila SzabC3 [mailto:csenge...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 6:06 PM > To: users@libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] question > > OK, in my case, the only reason why I DON'T use LO is the > lack of ribbon. > I accept that not everyone likes that, that's why I wrote > the idea of an extensions or plugin. So those who like > the ribbon would be able to use it. @Bruce: I have to > disagree with you, I find the ribbon much faster and > easier to use. And I'm not the only one, many of the > people around, especially the younger ones find much more > useful the ribbon than the dropdown menus. > I know that those who get used to the menu-style won't > like any other solution, but you are not the only ones. > So what about the plugin/extension thing? > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived > and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] question
How true. I prefer the right click menus in Gimp, which luckily they kept with their changes. We often have to temper the best or most efficient for popularity. The best is no good if no one uses it. steve On 18/04/11 23:59, Tom Davies wrote: > A lot of people are growing up with the ribbon bar. Our menu system might be > better but it looks very old and dated now. People often want things that > look > new however sad that is. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > > From: Wayne Borean > To: users@libreoffice.org > Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 3:05:41 > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] question > > Ah, but the Ribbon menu is important. It's another evolutionary option for > the interface. Whether you like it or not is to a certain extent a matter of > taste. Quite frankly I hated using a GUI for a long time. It slowed me down > too much. It still does slow me down in some ways, a command line is more > efficient IF YOU KNOW THE SYSTEM WELL. > > If you don't, a GUI is easier. > > And some of it is simply a matter of taste. If you grew up with curry on > your food, it won't taste right without it. > > Wayne > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Bruce Carlson > wrote: > > >> Yes I can understand how you, thinking that you are younger, feeling like >> you are mature, and all the time it is your inexperience that is restricting >> you to see only what is put in front of you and you are unable to use logic >> to put together all that surrounds you so therefore you, as are many other Y >> generationalists, (but not all), willing to accept only what you are told >> and unable to think outside the square you are ordered to live in. >> To be honest with us and with yourself, if the reason you will not use LO >> is because you will only use an office suite if has ribbon button menus than >> you are the exact petty minded person that Microsoft relies on for it's >> future profits. >> >> >> Bruce Carlson >> an X gernerationalist. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Csenger Attila Szabó [mailto:csenge...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 6:06 PM >> To: users@libreoffice.org >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] question >> >> OK, in my case, the only reason why I DON'T use LO is the lack of ribbon. >> I accept that not everyone likes that, that's why I wrote the idea of an >> extensions or plugin. So those who like the ribbon would be able to use it. >> @Bruce: I have to disagree with you, I find the ribbon much faster and >> easier to use. And I'm not the only one, many of the people around, >> especially the younger ones find much more useful the ribbon than the >> dropdown menus. >> I know that those who get used to the menu-style won't like any other >> solution, but you are not the only ones. >> So what about the plugin/extension thing? >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting >> guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice
Hi. Windows 7 can have different security. Are you administrator when you try to install. steve On 19/04/11 00:13, Brian Martin wrote: > I have recently bought a new desktop running Windows 7 Home premium(64bit) I > have tried to download and install your office suite . I have been able to > download the file but unable to install. I click the unpack but at the point > of nearly 100% I get the message- Error opening file for writing. > > Can you help in any way. Thanks Brian Martin > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice
Yes I am administrator. -Original Message- From: Steve Edmonds Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:35 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice Hi. Windows 7 can have different security. Are you administrator when you try to install. steve On 19/04/11 00:13, Brian Martin wrote: I have recently bought a new desktop running Windows 7 Home premium(64bit) I have tried to download and install your office suite . I have been able to download the file but unable to install. I click the unpack but at the point of nearly 100% I get the message- Error opening file for writing. Can you help in any way. Thanks Brian Martin -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
On 4/18/11 12:06 PM, Wayne Borean wrote: Ken, Agreed. But for testing, it's perfect. Wayne No argument there. I ran XP Pro via Parallels side by side for about a year and a half until I had some of the Mac figured out. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
Yep! In the last 8 years since switching to iMAC, I have only had about 4 fixes to apply (including release upgrades). "Occasional" blue screens are unacceptable if you have work to do. I do not use LibreOffice to the same extent some users on this forum do. So I cannot speak on that. LibreOffice does what I need it to do. Glenn On 4/18/11 1:43 PM, Wayne Borean wrote: Reverse experience here. I stopped doing maintenance on my computers after I dumped Windows. Best move I ever made, it freed up a ton of time for more productive things. As to Microsoft giving us universal communications - horse manure. It was MicroPro that did that, with WordStar, back when the most advanced Microsoft editor was EDLIN.COM Wayne On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:26 AM, wrote: Do not forget that MS Op Systems and Office apps gave us universal communication. Apart from the occasional blue screen, my XP runs without hassle. With Linux I get the feeling that like dedicated lovers of Series 2 Landrovers, you have to be seriously technical and keep your spanners with you at all times. I long for the day I can use LibO, knowing any document I create can be read by business colleagues world-wide on MS systems. Right now that's not the case, for example each time I send an Impress file to an MS PP user and it blows up it further demonstrates the gulf that currently exists between open and closed systems. Much as though I detest the latest edition of powerpoint and it's anal GUI, I have no choice but to use it I can't afford the time to write in Impress and then spend a day trying to make it work in PP. If you really want to hurt Uncle Bob then LibO must get it's act to together asap and ensure all LibO office apps are compatible to the extent that it allows trouble free document exchange between the open and closed systems. That way the MS user brigade will get confidence and hopefully may switch over... but until that day then Uncle Bob will rule the roost. Maybe someone can answer this? when will a LibO developer(s) focus on compatibility between MS and LibO and realise the way to sink MS is to prove reliability and compatibility in LibO. Meantime will someone please resolve why Impress (slides) with embedded sound files loses them when trying to convert to ppt? In addition why LibO Impress can sometimes lose the audiofile links (to MP3 files) all on it's own! without any help from PP, Meantime i try and use LibO as much as is practical but am forced to use MS office whenever it's for distribution. Sad. Timi -- Glenn "What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation." T. S. Eliot, "Four Quartets" -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
Hi, If memory serves me correctly, iMAC's Unix kernel IS Linux. MAC OS X is absolutely built on top of a Unix kernel from NextStep. Mr. Jobs seems to have seen to that in OS X. That's the main reason OS X is so stable. Nothing to install if using BootCamp! I just haven't played with it in a while. A long while... Glenn "What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation." T. S. Eliot, "Four Quartets" On 4/18/11 11:37 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 4/18/11 8:59 AM, Glenn wrote: Hi, Yes. I suppose it must be BootCamp. I have used an iMAC for so long, I guess I forget. I apologize for the confusion. I'll look into it further before troubling you anymore. Glenn It was no trouble for me, in fact, it was a good thing. I never used Boot Camp myself, as I wanted my Windows to run side by side with OS X, so I always used Parallels Desktop. But I've been wanting to give some distro of Linux a good try, and your post got me to wondering... Maybe I can use the Boot Camp ability and install Linux instead of Windows. I have dedicated Windows boxes. Ken -- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility
Hi :) Mac is developed from a Bsd. Both Bsd and Linux are re-writes of Unix and use many of the same programs and same systems. There are differences in their philosophies and kernel but that is just me being pedantic. Regards from Tom :) From: Glenn To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 20:37:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility Hi, If memory serves me correctly, iMAC's Unix kernel IS Linux. MAC OS X is absolutely built on top of a Unix kernel from NextStep. Mr. Jobs seems to have seen to that in OS X. That's the main reason OS X is so stable. Nothing to install if using BootCamp! I just haven't played with it in a while. A long while... Glenn "What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation." T. S. Eliot, "Four Quartets" On 4/18/11 11:37 AM, Ken Springer wrote: > On 4/18/11 8:59 AM, Glenn wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Yes. I suppose it must be BootCamp. I have used an iMAC for so long, I >> guess I forget. >> I apologize for the confusion. I'll look into it further before >> troubling you anymore. >> >> Glenn > > It was no trouble for me, in fact, it was a good thing. > > I never used Boot Camp myself, as I wanted my Windows to run side by side > with >OS X, so I always used Parallels Desktop. > > But I've been wanting to give some distro of Linux a good try, and your post >got me to wondering... Maybe I can use the Boot Camp ability and install >Linux >instead of Windows. I have dedicated Windows boxes. > > > Ken > > > -- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice
Hi :) Sorry replies are taking so long. Please could you try to download and install the 3.3.2 release rather than anything more recent. The 3.4 is especially buggy at the moment and still in beta-testing whereas the 3.3.2 is fully stable now ime. http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/3.3.2/win/x86/LibO_3.3.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe If you have already tried this then the 3.3.1 might be better. It's the one i use. Please let us know how this goes. Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Susan Martin To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 19:45:37 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice Yes I am administrator. -Original Message- From: Steve Edmonds Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:35 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice Hi. Windows 7 can have different security. Are you administrator when you try to install. steve On 19/04/11 00:13, Brian Martin wrote: > I have recently bought a new desktop running Windows 7 Home premium(64bit) I >have tried to download and install your office suite . I have been able to >download the file but unable to install. I click the unpack but at the point >of >nearly 100% I get the message- Error opening file for writing. > > Can you help in any way. Thanks Brian Martin > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe
Send blank email to: user+unsubscr...@libreoffice.org Luiz Oliveira > Please take my name off the list - I have been getting 40 message every day > that i don't want. Several time I have sent message to the user group asking > to be removed but nothing happens - not even a reply. > > Please Help. > > Dwayne Barber > dwa...@sasktel.net > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Table of Contents Editing
I have two problems. The first one is the problem of text in the Table of Contents approaching the page numbering. Is there a way to define a column to separate the words from the page numbers? Example: Table 4.4: Comparisons between mean survival of seeds and/or seedlings in experimental plot-lines versus survival of seeds and/or seedlings in the control plot-line at day 37. 51 to Table 4.4: Comparisons between mean survival of seeds and/or seedlings in experimental plot-lines versus survival of seeds and/or seedlings in the control plot-line at day 37. 51 Second problem. I would prefer not to have Heading 1 titles separated from subheadings. In my case, I have a Heading 1 stuck at the end on one page, subheadings at the following page. Any help is greatly appreciated. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Opening a PPS file in not-presentation mode
On 2011-04-18 08:51, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > > I think you only need to copy&paste the pps and then rename the ending from > .pps > to .ppt. Of course you don't really need to copy&paste or duplicate the > files > at all, just rename them. Personally i would always keep the original as > untouched as possible just in case! > > Good luck and regards from > Tom :) But why? this makes no sense. Why does the application run in a different mode, according to file filename? Isn't there a workaround or something for this? I believe this bug was not present in OO; at least not the last version I used. Any ideas on when this will be fixed? Oh, and I mentioned copy, because I've a bunch of files stored on an external read-only backup drive, so this means I'll have to copy them over and rename then for now every time I want to open them. Thanks for your time :), -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
