[libreoffice-users] Re: Default Paper size

2011-05-25 Thread Twayne
In news:4dda8c3e.9070...@southamericamission.org,
SAMAIR Peru - Michael Mahon samair.pe.m...@southamericamission.org typed:
 Our office uses A4 paper as our default paper in all
 applications.  How can I set the default paper size.  I
 have a work around in a template, but it would be a lot
 easier to set it once since we are looking at installing
 it on several machines.  It would be great if I can do
 this in Calc and Writer. --
 *Michael *

Tools  Optons /or preferences for Writer, I believe. 




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: TDF benennt die Mitglieder des Engineering Steering Committee

2011-05-25 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, 

On Tue, 24 May 2011 09:12:51 -0700
NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 On 05/24/2011 04:19 AM, Florian Effenberger cross posted:
  Die Document Foundation benennt die Mitglieder des Engineering Steering 
  Committee
  
  Die Gruppe koordiniert die Entwicklung und definiert die technische 
  Weiterentwicklung von LibreOffice
 ...
 
 If you are going to cross post these to user, perhaps you might want to
 provide an english version?

this was probably an easy mistake: instead of typing us...@de.libreoffice.org 
Florian just typed users@libreoffice.org. 
Btw, the english announcement was one day earlier - it was the message about 
the members of the engineering steering committee. :) 

Sigrid

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Test for Error Conditions in Calc

2011-05-25 Thread Jack

Ron Adams wrote:
 
 How do I leverage IF to replace error conditions, making them instead
 display constant string values? For instance, how would I replace #N/A,
 #NAME and #VALUE with “None”?
 

Some functions you can look into:
ISNA(reference) - [is the reference #N/A ?]
ISERROR(reference) - [is the reference any of the following: #VALUE, #REF,
#NAME or #N/A ?]
ISERR(reference) - [is the reference any of the following:  #VALUE, #REF or
#NAME ?]

All of these functions return boolean results (either TRUE, or FALSE) which
you can then use in an IF() statement.  Notice that ISERROR() and ISERR()
only differ when it comes to #N/A.  Please also note that I am not 100% sure
of the definitions I gave here, this is only what I observed from use.  

As mentioned before, I think ISERROR() would work for your case.  There are
also some other IS... functions you can look at, but are not really relevant
to this topic.  Hope this helps.

Regards
Jack


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Test for Error Conditions in Calc

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From: Jack [mailto:szi...@gmail.com]
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Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Test for Error Conditions in Calc


Ron Adams wrote:

 How do I leverage IF to replace error conditions, making them instead
 display constant string values? For instance, how would I replace #N/A,
 #NAME and #VALUE with “None”?


Some functions you can look into:
ISNA(reference) - [is the reference #N/A ?]
ISERROR(reference) - [is the reference any of the following: #VALUE, #REF,
#NAME or #N/A ?]
ISERR(reference) - [is the reference any of the following:  #VALUE, #REF or
#NAME ?]

All of these functions return boolean results (either TRUE, or FALSE) which
you can then use in an IF() statement.  Notice that ISERROR() and ISERR()
only differ when it comes to #N/A.  Please also note that I am not 100% sure
of the definitions I gave here, this is only what I observed from use.

As mentioned before, I think ISERROR() would work for your case.  There are
also some other IS... functions you can look at, but are not really relevant
to this topic.  Hope this helps.

Regards
Jack


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 05/25/2011 08:17 AM, Tinkerer wrote:

Many of the Extensions no longer appear to be available.
PDF Import being the first one tried.
Is there a reason?

Tink


If I remember right, some extensions are part of the package itself.

One of the videos I have talked about bundling the most common extension 
with the install, so you do not have to go add them.  My Ubuntu copy has 
PDF import listed in the Extension Manager, and I do not remember 
installing it.  I could have, but I do not remember doing that.


To be honest, I got most of my  extensions from OOo, but Oracle has made 
a mess of the pages and it it not working half the time.  So it is going 
to get hard to get extensions and templates from their side anymore.


Here is the basic list of Extensions on the North American DVD
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/extensions.html

Here is the LibrePlanet.org list of extensions
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenOfficeExtensions/List



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[libreoffice-users] I have a problem with the presentation on a monitor and projector

2011-05-25 Thread Yusniel E. Alfonso
I am a ubuntu user, please excuse my English is not very good. Do not
know if it's a bug or maybe a setting that I do and I did not. It
turns out I use my laptop and other LCD monitor when I open an Impress
presentation and I want to put it in presentation mode, because as
usual to OpenOffice, I drew a presentation to the external display and
pressing F5 when in presentation mode was coming down in Libreoffice
Something similar happens to me except that I get the display on the
monitor of the portail and I want to leave the external monitor or
projector to be connected.
thank you very much.

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[libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Tanstaafl
Hi all,

I'm trying to do a simple calculation:

If the current month is May 2011 or later, 1,000,000, otherwise, 0

I tried:

=IF(MONTH(5),100,0)

Which obviously doesn't work...

Is there an easy way to do this?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread Tinkerer
I have a Mac 10.6.7 and LO 3.4 Build 5.
Apparently PDF Import is not included.
My understanding is the list in Extension Manager is only a list with links
to the Extension or the Download.
My list includes about 20 languages and the local Help for Extension Manager
will not load, so I am stuck.
BTW. Where are the Extensions kept?

Tink.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Tanstaafl
Sorry, this is obviously in CALC...

On 2011-05-25 10:19 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm trying to do a simple calculation:
 
 If the current month is May 2011 or later, 1,000,000, otherwise, 0
 
 I tried:
 
 =IF(MONTH(5),100,0)
 
 Which obviously doesn't work...
 
 Is there an easy way to do this?
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Manoharan Durga

It is just =IF(MONTH(cellreference)5,100,0)

replace cellreference with the cell address where May 2011 is stored.

If you want the formula to automatically evaluate it based on today's 
date, then you can make it like below :


=IF(MONTH(TODAY())5,100,0)

Hope this helps

On Wednesday 25 May 2011 07:49 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

Hi all,

I'm trying to do a simple calculation:

If the current month is May 2011 or later, 1,000,000, otherwise, 0

I tried:

=IF(MONTH(5),100,0)

Which obviously doesn't work...

Is there an easy way to do this?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
Hi Tanstaafl,

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number
From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
To: users@libreoffice.org
Date: 25/05/11 16:20
 Sorry, this is obviously in CALC...

 [...]
 I'm trying to do a simple calculation:

 If the current month is May 2011 or later, 1,000,000, otherwise, 0

 I tried:

 =IF(MONTH(5),100,0)

 Which obviously doesn't work...

 Is there an easy way to do this?
Try:

Try:

=IF(MONTH(NOW())=5,100,0)

Lorenzo.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
=IF(NOW()=DATE(2011,5,1),100,0)


If the comparison is with the May 2011, instead of just being later 
than May.


Since it is now past May 1, 2011, the same could be done in 
reference to a cell with a date value. So, instead of now(), it could 
be a reference to a cell with a date in it, or use datevalue if it is a 
string.




On 25 May 2011 at 20:03, Manoharan Durga wrote:


Date sent:Wed, 25 May 2011 20:03:36 +0530
From:Manoharan durgadurgamanoha...@gudalur.net
To:users@libreoffice.org
Copies to:tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month 
number
Send reply to:users@libreoffice.org


It is just =IF(MONTH(cellreference)5,100,0)


replace cellreference with the cell address where May 2011 is stored.


If you want the formula to automatically evaluate it based on today's
date, then you can make it like below :


=IF(MONTH(TODAY())5,100,0)


Hope this helps


On Wednesday 25 May 2011 07:49 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
Hi all,


I'm trying to do a simple calculation:


If the current month is May 2011 or later, 1,000,000, otherwise, 0


I tried:


=IF(MONTH(5),100,0)


Which obviously doesn't work...


Is there an easy way to do this?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread Tinkerer
Sorry.  The PDF Importer is part of the package.
If you look at the file types you can Open, you will see that PDF's are
included and it works.
I now need to find Convert Text to Numbers and the Grammar Checker
though I am not sure of their names.
There is a very obscure place for filing Templates, The Extension folder
seems to be even more obscure.

Tink.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

A  instead of the 2nd = seems to work. eg
=IF(NOW()DATE(2011,5,1),100,0)

Although you might need to change the 2011,5,1 to 2011,5,0 otherwise the 1st of 
the month might not be included.  Perhaps 

=IF(NOW()=DATE(2011,5,1),100,0)
would be better as it is greater than or equal to.

Regards from
Tom :)






From: Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 25 May, 2011 15:49:18
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

=IF(NOW()=DATE(2011,5,1),100,0)


If the comparison is with the May 2011, instead of just being later 
than May.


Since it is now past May 1, 2011, the same could be done in 
reference to a cell with a date value. So, instead of now(), it could 
be a reference to a cell with a date in it, or use datevalue if it is a 
string.




On 25 May 2011 at 20:03, Manoharan Durga wrote:


Date sent:Wed, 25 May 2011 20:03:36 +0530
From:Manoharan durgadurgamanoha...@gudalur.net
To:users@libreoffice.org
Copies to:tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month 
number
Send reply to:users@libreoffice.org


It is just =IF(MONTH(cellreference)5,100,0)


replace cellreference with the cell address where May 2011 is stored.


If you want the formula to automatically evaluate it based on today's
date, then you can make it like below :


=IF(MONTH(TODAY())5,100,0)


Hope this helps


On Wednesday 25 May 2011 07:49 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
Hi all,


I'm trying to do a simple calculation:


If the current month is May 2011 or later, 1,000,000, otherwise, 0


I tried:


=IF(MONTH(5),100,0)


Which obviously doesn't work...


Is there an easy way to do this?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Tom, all, 

On Wed, 25 May 2011 15:56:47 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I think a lot of the Extension's devs haven't yet made them available for 
 LibreOffice.  Apparently most/many/some of the OpenOffice ones work if you 
 can 
 find them but if you could contact the devs of your favourite Extensions then 
 they would probably be quite keen to add them to LibreOffice's collection.  I 
 have a feeling that it's usually pretty easy for the dev's of a particular 
 Extension to add it to LibreOffice's lists but just requires remembering (or 
 being nudged into remembering) to do it.  I doubt that it's possible to do 
 them 
 all from the LibreOffice's end otherwise it would probably have been done 
 en-masse already.

I think the reason for not having those extensions transferred automatically 
was due to licensing reasons. I think I remember, that LibO only wants to have 
truly open extensions. But I can be wrong. :) 

 
 However i think there is already at least one that deals with importing Pdfs 
 so 
 a search might help.  I have one called PDF Import 1.0.4 which has a big 
 Oracle logo/icon rather than the sleek elegant LibreOffice or TDF style of 
 logos.  It opens Pdfs in Draw rather than Writer  so i can't edit text with 
 it 
 (afaik).  I can move around blocks of text, pictures and stuff and i think i 
 can 
 add blocks of text or pictures too.  I have a funny feeling that i probably 
 didn't need the extension at all as i seem to remember PDF import being added 
 to 
 the main package recently.  

That's the default behaviour. PDF is a format to describe a graphical layout of 
a document. And for graphics, Draw is the correct component. It is not meant to 
edit a file extensively. You can add a few lines of text in a form (I did this 
just last week) and it works well. If you need to change the whole text, just 
ask the original creator for a editable file. 


Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Tanstaafl
Duh! I was trying to type the formula manually and forgot the cell
reference...

Thanks for the gentle use of the cluestick... :)

On 2011-05-25 10:33 AM, Manoharan Durga wrote:
 It is just =IF(MONTH(cellreference)5,100,0)
 
 replace cellreference with the cell address where May 2011 is stored.
 
 If you want the formula to automatically evaluate it based on today's
 date, then you can make it like below :
 
 =IF(MONTH(TODAY())5,100,0)
 
 Hope this helps
 
 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 07:49 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm trying to do a simple calculation:

 If the current month is May 2011 or later, 1,000,000, otherwise, 0

 I tried:

 =IF(MONTH(5),100,0)

 Which obviously doesn't work...

 Is there an easy way to do this?

 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] I have a problem with the presentation on a monitor and projector

2011-05-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

Does your presentation file have .pps or .ppsx both of which should 
automatically play the presentation instead of opening it ready for editing.

If it is saved as a ppt, pptx or odp then it should open in design view instead 
of opening as a slide-show/presentation-mode.  To change from ppt to pps just 
rename the file ;)  Both formats are identical except the way they open.  


Have you looked around in 
Tools - Options - Impress 
to see if there are good options for dual-monitors?

Also what is your normal language?  If you can write to this list in your 
normal 
language there might be someone here that can help even though we try to stick 
to English.  There probably is a list for a language that is easier for you so 
it might be worth asking there too.  


Good luck and regards from
Tom :)





From: Yusniel E. Alfonso yespinosa1...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 25 May, 2011 15:12:49
Subject: [libreoffice-users] I have a problem with the presentation on a 
monitor 
and projector

I am a ubuntu user, please excuse my English is not very good. Do not
know if it's a bug or maybe a setting that I do and I did not. It
turns out I use my laptop and other LCD monitor when I open an Impress
presentation and I want to put it in presentation mode, because as
usual to OpenOffice, I drew a presentation to the external display and
pressing F5 when in presentation mode was coming down in Libreoffice
Something similar happens to me except that I get the display on the
monitor of the portail and I want to leave the external monitor or
projector to be connected.
thank you very much.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 05/25/2011 11:18 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote:

Hi Tom, all,

On Wed, 25 May 2011 15:56:47 +0100 (BST)
Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk  wrote:


Hi :)
I think a lot of the Extension's devs haven't yet made them available for
LibreOffice.  Apparently most/many/some of the OpenOffice ones work if you can
find them but if you could contact the devs of your favourite Extensions then
they would probably be quite keen to add them to LibreOffice's collection.  I
have a feeling that it's usually pretty easy for the dev's of a particular
Extension to add it to LibreOffice's lists but just requires remembering (or
being nudged into remembering) to do it.  I doubt that it's possible to do them
all from the LibreOffice's end otherwise it would probably have been done
en-masse already.

I think the reason for not having those extensions transferred automatically 
was due to licensing reasons. I think I remember, that LibO only wants to have truly open 
extensions. But I can be wrong. :)


However i think there is already at least one that deals with importing Pdfs so
a search might help.  I have one called PDF Import 1.0.4 which has a big
Oracle logo/icon rather than the sleek elegant LibreOffice or TDF style of
logos.  It opens Pdfs in Draw rather than Writer  so i can't edit text with it
(afaik).  I can move around blocks of text, pictures and stuff and i think i can
add blocks of text or pictures too.  I have a funny feeling that i probably
didn't need the extension at all as i seem to remember PDF import being added to
the main package recently.

That's the default behaviour. PDF is a format to describe a graphical layout of 
a document. And for graphics, Draw is the correct component. It is not meant to 
edit a file extensively. You can add a few lines of text in a form (I did this 
just last week) and it works well. If you need to change the whole text, just 
ask the original creator for a editable file.


Sigrid
I have not tried any real PDF editing in the past 4 to 6 months, or so.  
I know with Ubuntu, you can get free PDF editing packages.  For Windows 
that may be difficult, or at least the last time I looked for one.


I wish CUPS-PDF would orient their PDF output like LibreOffice does with 
the Export-To-PDF does.  LibrO keeps the orientation of the document, 
but CUPS-PDF will make it Portrait orientation.  That becomes hard to 
read for landscape documentation like pamphlets and brochures.  I end up 
using an external PDF editor to correct that problem in non-LibreO 
document like prints from Firefox that need to be saved and not waste paper.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread Tom Davies






From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 25 May, 2011 16:44:02
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office Extensions

Hi Sigrid et al

Le 2011-05-25 11:18, Sigrid Carrera a écrit :
 Hi Tom, all,

 On Wed, 25 May 2011 15:56:47 +0100 (BST)
 Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk  wrote:

 Hi :)
 I think a lot of the Extension's devs haven't yet made them available for
 LibreOffice.  Apparently most/many/some of the OpenOffice ones work if you 
can
 find them but if you could contact the devs of your favourite Extensions then
 they would probably be quite keen to add them to LibreOffice's collection.  I
 have a feeling that it's usually pretty easy for the dev's of a particular
 Extension to add it to LibreOffice's lists but just requires remembering (or
 being nudged into remembering) to do it.  I doubt that it's possible to do 
them
 all from the LibreOffice's end otherwise it would probably have been done
 en-masse already.

 I think the reason for not having those extensions transferred 
 automatically 
was due to licensing reasons. I think I remember, that LibO only wants to have 
truly open extensions. But I can be wrong. :)

  Yes, this is the problem with both the extensions and templates. Even 
worse, many of these extensions only carried the author's name with no 
email or url to track them down.

Cheers

Marc


Hi :)
Google or FaceBook can be alarmingly good at finding people, unless they have a 
common name such as Tom Davies, John Smith and even worse if they don't have a 
FaceBook account ;)  I googled myself but got bored after 6 pages of people 
with 
my name.  I haven't joined FaceBook as i don't need to show-off how many 
friends (acquaintances?) i don't/do have ;)  

Regards from
Tom :)

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[libreoffice-users] installation observations

2011-05-25 Thread e-letter
Readers,

Observations/comments after installation of LO 332.

Navigation to the installation directories:

urpmi *.rpm
A requested package cannot be installed:
libobasis3.3-en-GB-help-3.3.2-202.i586 (due to unsatisfied libobasis3.3-en-GB)

Discovered that the correct procedure is to install the language pack
before the help pack, i.e. first the install pack, second the language
pack, third the help pack. Suggest this is explain in the
instructions. Otherwise, an impressively quick and easy installation
(onto mandriva 2010).

Tried to obtain the history manager extension originally written for
OO, but web site was failing so tried the LO extensions web site
(libreplanet wiki). No entry at the web site. Can someone please put a
copy of this extension on the LO extensions web site?

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[libreoffice-users] load url bar

2011-05-25 Thread e-letter
Readers,

Is there a way to configure LO such that the 'load url bar' is visible
in all components.? It is tiring and annoying to do this manually for
writer, calc, draw etc. after every upgrade, since this disappeared
from the default view (perhaps after SO 52?)

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[libreoffice-users] new to list

2011-05-25 Thread Phil Headford

Hello, I'm new to the list.
My name is Phil Headford, but most people call me Flos.
I'm a retired designer of satellites, and a fiddle player for English folk 
dancing.
I'm hoping to use Scribus to produce The Old Swan Band Tunebook, and the 
Shropshire area folk magazine, Shreds and Patches.
I'm also familiarising myself  with LibreOffice.
I shall be mostly lurking until I've learnt a bit more about both.
Regards,
Flos

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-05-25 11:37 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
 Note that if you use the month( ) then it would be any date in 
 which the month is 5, so 6/1 thru 12/31 of any year. 
 Are the cells refereced entered as dates (numeric) or as strings?

There are no cells being referenced, I'm simply evaluating the CURRENT
date/Month...

Since I want prior years sheets to continue to evaluate positive, this
will work perfectly for me in this case.

 On 25 May 2011 at 11:21, Tanstaafl wrote:
 
 Date sent:Wed, 25 May 2011 11:21:34 -0400
 From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
 To:   users@libreoffice.org
 Copies to:Manoharan Durga 
 durgamanoha...@gudalur.net
 Subject:  Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month 
 number
 Send reply to:users@libreoffice.org
 
 Duh! I was trying to type the formula manually and forgot the cell
 reference...

 Thanks for the gentle use of the cluestick... :)

 On 2011-05-25 10:33 AM, Manoharan Durga wrote:
 It is just =IF(MONTH(cellreference)5,100,0)

 replace cellreference with the cell address where May 2011 is stored.

 If you want the formula to automatically evaluate it based on today's
 date, then you can make it like below :

 =IF(MONTH(TODAY())5,100,0)

 Hope this helps

 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 07:49 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm trying to do a simple calculation:

 If the current month is May 2011 or later, 1,000,000, otherwise, 0

 I tried:

 =IF(MONTH(5),100,0)

 Which obviously doesn't work...

 Is there an easy way to do this?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-05-25 12:34 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
 On 2011-05-25 11:37 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
 Note that if you use the month( ) then it would be any date in 
 which the month is 5, so 6/1 thru 12/31 of any year. 
 Are the cells refereced entered as dates (numeric) or as strings?
 
 There are no cells being referenced, I'm simply evaluating the CURRENT
 date/Month...
 
 Since I want prior years sheets to continue to evaluate positive, this
 will work perfectly for me in this case.

H...

Now that I think about it...

Do these evaluations occur in context of the *current* year? I'm
guessing the answer is yes, that would be the most logical thing to do.

If so, I think I will have to specify the year, otherwise, next year,
what is now this years sheet will start evaluating to false, since May
2011 is NOT  May 2012...

Is that correct?

Thanks very much for your help in getting this right...

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[libreoffice-users] Compilation Error [make framework]

2011-05-25 Thread kaneda

i had a problem when try to compile libreoffice on my system, and i had all
libraries but something its wrong.
 
I think a file (uriabbreviation.cxx) is missing 
this is the error message


---
Oh dear - something failed during the build - sorry !
  For more help with debugging build errors, please see the section in:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development

  internal build errors:

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /source30/libo/framework/prj

 it seems that the error is inside 'framework', please re-run build
 inside this module to isolate the error and/or test your fix:
---
---
I try to rebuild and shows the error

root [ /source30/libo/framework ]# make -r
CxxObject/framework/source/services/uriabbreviation.o is linked in by
Library/libfwkli.so Library/libfwlli.so
/source30/libo/solenv/gbuild/extensions/final_ObjectOwner.mk:43: 
[ WARN   ] !!!
[ WARN   ] !!! duplicate linked objects
[ WARN   ] !!!
/source30/libo/solenv/gbuild/LinkTarget.mk:194: *** Unable to find generated
C++ file
/source30/libo/solver/300/unxlngi6.pro/workdir/framework/source/services/uriabbreviation.cxx
in WORKDIR..  Stop.
root [ /source30/libo/framework ]# 




sorry my English its no very good..  Thanks for your time

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Re: [libreoffice-users] new to list

2011-05-25 Thread James Wilde
Welcome to the list, Flos.

Here you'll find all the help you'll need to use LibreOffice.  The help is all 
provided by volunteers, users like yourself.

//James

On May 25, 2011, at 18:25 , Phil Headford wrote:

 Hello, I'm new to the list.
 My name is Phil Headford, but most people call me Flos.
 I'm a retired designer of satellites, and a fiddle player for English folk 
 dancing.
 I'm hoping to use Scribus to produce The Old Swan Band Tunebook, and the 
 Shropshire area folk magazine, Shreds and Patches.
 I'm also familiarising myself  with LibreOffice.
 I shall be mostly lurking until I've learnt a bit more about both.
 Regards,
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[libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-documentation] changes for this mailing list

2011-05-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't expect this will change, but I find the reasoning that appears to be 
behind it rather interesting.

So, let me see if I understand this.  So that you and other TDF Members can now 
have libreoffice.org e-mail addresses (which will be forwarded to whatever 
actual e-mail services hold and deliver mail as each individual member 
arranges) like flo...@libreoffice.org, all the rest of us have to learn how to 
send mail to mailing-list-n...@global.libreoffice.org when we have struggled 
already to learn how to work with list mailing-list-n...@libreoffice.org, 
mailing-list-name+h...@libreoffice.org, etc.   

And this irreversible change may or may not be disruptive in unexpected ways, 
but you'll do your best because it is being done by throwing a switch on the 
universe and Mother Nature can be petulant about such things (not to mention 
the opportunity it affords for Puck, Kokopelli, and Loki to have a little fun 
with the foolish humans).  

So does this mean that the archives will also change their URLs and any linking 
we have done to existing list posts will be broken?  (I mention this as one 
place where the law of unintended consequences may step in.  Will all of the 
threads be broken too?)  Of course, there is already archive.libreoffice.org 
for those.  Do they stay that way?

Additional curiosities.  Is there some system that has global.libreoffice.org 
be preferable to lists.libreoffice.org ?   Or is this some limitation of how 
Heinlein Support is working their magic?  Maybe what you really want is 
honorifics, so you can be flo...@founders.libreoffice.org or 
flo...@members.libreoffice.org and flo...@staff.libreoffice.org (you can go 
crazy with this, though I recommend against 
flo...@supremeleader.libreoffice.org ) since you're going to have to redo your 
stationery and business cards anyhow?

Now, I do like affinity forwardings.  After all, I get to be 
dennis.hamil...@acm.org (a forwarding) and also orc...@sourceforge.net and even 
orc...@google.com (set up as a forwarding too) and, once upon a time, 
orc...@computer.org.   I may even have Facebook and Linked-in affinities, 
though I haven't bothered to check.   I am just looking at the 
system-engineering aspects of this mid-course correction and how it appears to 
disrupt the many for the benefit of a few.  Odd, that, considering what it is 
we are out to accomplish and promote and who we say we are?

Playfully,

 - Dennis

PS: I do happen to filter on what appears in the To of incoming mail.  But it 
is relatively easy to change those rules since I also use a white-list spam 
system and the new To and perhaps from e-mail addresses will go to spam 
until I do something about them.

-Original Message-
From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 01:25
To: accessibil...@libreoffice.org; des...@libreoffice.org; 
documentat...@libreoffice.org; l...@libreoffice.org; market...@libreoffice.org; 
proje...@libreoffice.org; users@libreoffice.org; webs...@libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] changes for this mailing list

Hello everyone,

as part of our membership process, we also would like to give @libreoffice.org 
e-mail forwarders to our approved members. Thanks to the folks from Heinlein 
Support in Berlin, who offered to take care of the mail forwarding and to 
program a web tool to enable users to configure the forwarding!

In order to be able to use two different mail servers -- one for mailing lists, 
and one for the mail forwarders -- we have to change the addresses of a few 
mailing lists.

In a nutshell: All lists currently known as @libreoffice.org will in the future 
be known as @global.libreoffice.org

[ ... ]

You do *not* have to un- or resubscribe from any lists, as the list of all 
recipients will be automatically transferred to the new addresses. 
The subject prefix, like [libreoffice-website], will also stay the *same*. What 
*will* change is the address you have to send e-mails to, and the headers like 
List-Post and List-ID. So, in case you filter your e-mails based on the 
headers, you *do* need to act. This is most likely the case if you use a local 
mail client like Thunderbird. Webmail services like Google Mail usually do 
*not* make use of these headers.

The change will be effective during the day of

Thursday, June 9th

I will send a follow-up e-mail when the addresses have changed. 
Immediately after that, assume the old addresses will stop working. I will try 
to set them as aliases for a few days, but I cannot guarantee it will work out.

However, *no* e-mail will be lost -- in case there is no alias in place, you 
will receive a bounce message and can re-send the mail again.

Sorry for these inconveniences, but they will help us in providing e-mail 
forwarders for our members.

In case of questions, feel free to ask me directly, or on the website@ mailing 
list.

Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Compilation Error [make framework]

2011-05-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

Which Operating System are you using; a Bsd distro, Ubuntu, another Linux 
distro, Mac or Windows?  Also what is your normal (human) language?  I would 
guess you are using a Bsd, perhaps FreeBSD?  


Your English seems fine but it might be easier for someone to help in your own 
language?  Sometimes people here speak more than just English :)  

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)




From: kaneda kaneda...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 25 May, 2011 16:03:43
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Compilation Error [make framework]


i had a problem when try to compile libreoffice on my system, and i had all
libraries but something its wrong.

I think a file (uriabbreviation.cxx) is missing 
this is the error message


---
Oh dear - something failed during the build - sorry !
  For more help with debugging build errors, please see the section in:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development

  internal build errors:

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /source30/libo/framework/prj

it seems that the error is inside 'framework', please re-run build
inside this module to isolate the error and/or test your fix:
---
---
I try to rebuild and shows the error

root [ /source30/libo/framework ]# make -r
CxxObject/framework/source/services/uriabbreviation.o is linked in by
Library/libfwkli.so Library/libfwlli.so
/source30/libo/solenv/gbuild/extensions/final_ObjectOwner.mk:43: 
[ WARN   ] !!!
[ WARN   ] !!! duplicate linked objects
[ WARN   ] !!!
/source30/libo/solenv/gbuild/LinkTarget.mk:194: *** Unable to find generated
C++ file
/source30/libo/solver/300/unxlngi6.pro/workdir/framework/source/services/uriabbreviation.cxx

in WORKDIR..  Stop.
root [ /source30/libo/framework ]# 




sorry my English its no very good..  Thanks for your time

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Odt size difference between MS Office 11 and LO 3.3.2

2011-05-25 Thread plino
The simple explanation is that the MSO file is missing many ODF features ;)

Interestingly both your files fail the ODF validation on this site

http://tools.odftoolkit.org/odfvalidator/

Does it make any sense that only when I create an identical file under OOo
3.4 Beta the file is valid?

Should LibreOffice worry about this?

Is the validator an accurate tool? Shouldn't OASIS be providing such a
tool???

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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-documentation] changes for this mailing list

2011-05-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

This has been discussed 'ad nauseum' on the website list and probably other 
places although i think it was some time ago and 'shelved' as being too 
low-priority at the time.  I haven't checked in with the website list for many 
months but i would hazard a guess that they have been discussing this quite a 
lot recently too.  


Some things had to be set-up fast with the best foresight available at the 
time.  Since then much has changed and grown.  Hindsight is fantastic, if only 
we could have it much much earlier!!  Any links that don't work may need a tiny 
bit of editing but i suspect that the 'global' bit in the middle wont appear on 
old threads.  


Part of the problem with Windows systems is that they religiously attempt to 
stick with legacy systems that really need to be thrown out, for example the 
registry.  As a result they have to put a lot of work into propping up systems 
that are vulnerable and in constant danger of falling over.  Oddly, they also 
help make Windows unable to run on older hardware because of the immense size 
of 
all that legacy bloat.  By contrast Linux and OpenSource systems are not afraid 
to throw something out when it becomes a burden and as a curious result there 
are a lot of linux distros that run superbly fast on machines that haunt 
peoples 
attics or contribute to landfill.  


It's better to make this change now than wait until the community and 
supporting 
websites has doubled in size again.

Also Florian is not some supreme master.  He is another volunteer who has 
bravely accepted the job of informing people about things decided by committees 
that he may not even have attended personally.  A thankless task at best!

However, re-reading your post again i see that it is probably meant as a 
humorous and actually very funny gentle-dig-in-the-ribs rather than the attack 
i 
first thought it.  I guess i am just a 'bit tense' right now as it's the end of 
a wearying but fun day at the office ;)
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)




From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
To: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
Cc: documentat...@libreoffice.org; accessibil...@libreoffice.org; 
users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 25 May, 2011 18:44:46
Subject: [libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-documentation] changes for this 
mailing list

I don't expect this will change, but I find the reasoning that appears to be 
behind it rather interesting.

So, let me see if I understand this.  So that you and other TDF Members can now 
have libreoffice.org e-mail addresses (which will be forwarded to whatever 
actual e-mail services hold and deliver mail as each individual member 
arranges) 
like flo...@libreoffice.org, all the rest of us have to learn how to send mail 
to mailing-list-n...@global.libreoffice.org when we have struggled already to 
learn how to work with list mailing-list-n...@libreoffice.org, 
mailing-list-name+h...@libreoffice.org, etc.  


And this irreversible change may or may not be disruptive in unexpected ways, 
but you'll do your best because it is being done by throwing a switch on the 
universe and Mother Nature can be petulant about such things (not to mention 
the 
opportunity it affords for Puck, Kokopelli, and Loki to have a little fun with 
the foolish humans).  


So does this mean that the archives will also change their URLs and any linking 
we have done to existing list posts will be broken?  (I mention this as one 
place where the law of unintended consequences may step in.  Will all of the 
threads be broken too?)  Of course, there is already archive.libreoffice.org 
for 
those.  Do they stay that way?

Additional curiosities.  Is there some system that has global.libreoffice.org 
be 
preferable to lists.libreoffice.org ?   Or is this some limitation of how 
Heinlein Support is working their magic?  Maybe what you really want is 
honorifics, so you can be flo...@founders.libreoffice.org or 
flo...@members.libreoffice.org and flo...@staff.libreoffice.org (you can go 
crazy with this, though I recommend against 
flo...@supremeleader.libreoffice.org 
) since you're going to have to redo your stationery and business cards anyhow?

Now, I do like affinity forwardings.  After all, I get to be 
dennis.hamil...@acm.org (a forwarding) and also orc...@sourceforge.net and even 
orc...@google.com (set up as a forwarding too) and, once upon a time, 
orc...@computer.org.   I may even have Facebook and Linked-in affinities, 
though 
I haven't bothered to check.   I am just looking at the system-engineering 
aspects of this mid-course correction and how it appears to disrupt the many 
for 
the benefit of a few.  Odd, that, considering what it is we are out to 
accomplish and promote and who we say we are?

Playfully,

- Dennis

PS: I do happen to filter on what appears in the To of incoming mail.  But it 
is relatively easy to change those rules since I also use a white-list spam 
system and the new To and 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Odt size difference between MS Office 11 and LO 3.3.2

2011-05-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I generally find that the original format of files like this is the smallest.  
If you re-write the document from scratch using exactly the same formatting in 
both then i would guess that LibreOffice generates the best and possibly 
smallest .odt.  There are obvious exceptions such as compressed formats and 
stuff like saving a jpg as a gif, or saving it as another jpg with even higher 
compression rates.  


MSO's odf is inherently broken apparently (as mentioned fairly often by a 
variety of people) so it's not really a fair contest.  A broken jug in millions 
of pieces can take up a lot less space than a full jug but it probably can't 
hold water.  It was a good idea to test it out tho :)
Regards from
Tom :)






From: plino pedl...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 25 May, 2011 19:09:44
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Odt size difference between MS Office 11 and 
LO 
3.3.2

The simple explanation is that the MSO file is missing many ODF features ;)

Interestingly both your files fail the ODF validation on this site

http://tools.odftoolkit.org/odfvalidator/

Does it make any sense that only when I create an identical file under OOo
3.4 Beta the file is valid?

Should LibreOffice worry about this?

Is the validator an accurate tool? Shouldn't OASIS be providing such a
tool???

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Compilation Error [make framework]

2011-05-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi,


kaneda wrote (25-05-11 17:03)


i had a problem when try to compile libreoffice on my system, ...


The better place for your question is this list:
  libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread Tinkerer
Many thanks for the links.
I have downloaded them, but where on my Mac, Snow Leopard, do I put them so
that LO 3.4.5 will find them?

Tink.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month number

2011-05-25 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
On 25 May 2011 at 12:40, Tanstaafl wrote:


Date sent:Wed, 25 May 2011 12:40:24 -0400
From:tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org
To:users@libreoffice.org
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculating the month 
number
Send reply to:users@libreoffice.org


On 2011-05-25 12:34 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2011-05-25 11:37 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
Note that if you use the month( ) then it would be any date in
which the month is5, so 6/1 thru 12/31 of any year.
Are the cells refereced entered as dates (numeric) or as strings?


There are no cells being referenced, I'm simply evaluating the CURRENT
date/Month...


Since I want prior years sheets to continue to evaluate positive, this
will work perfectly for me in this case.


H...


Now that I think about it...


Do these evaluations occur in context of the *current* year? I'm
guessing the answer is yes, that would be the most logical thing to do.


If so, I think I will have to specify the year, otherwise, next year,
what is now this years sheet will start evaluating to false, since May
2011 is NOTMay 2012...




One would need to know exactly what the conditions are to meet 
your needs.
=if(a1=date(2011,5,1),100,0)
would give 10 for any date on or after 2011/05/01.
=if(month(a1)=5,100,0)
would give 100 for any date /05/01 thru /12/31
The year would not make any difference.


On the other hand, this would take in account the year
=IF(AND(MONTH(A1)=5,YEAR(A1)=YEAR(NOW())),100,0)
But the problem would be that if you look at the sheet on before 
2012/01/01, then date of 5/1/2011 would give true, but then it 
would give false on 1/1/2012?
Instead of using now() in the sheet, you might want to a cell with 
the current year for that sheet.
So, in cell G1, I placed =date(2011,1,1)
=IF(AND((MONTH(A1)=5),YEAR(A1)=YEAR($G$1)),100,0)


Note the $G$1 is to make the address absolute, so when you 
copy the formula. This way, within a sheet the function would 
return the value in regards to the year for that sheet instead of 
regards to the current year.


One needs to be very clear on what one want to do?




Is that correct?


Thanks very much for your help in getting this right...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] upgrade path?

2011-05-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 19:04)


I heard/saw somewhere that although there is currently a rapid and frequent (ie
very aggressive) release cycle at the moment that there is an intention to slow
down to 6monthly releases at some point within the next year or so.  Personally


This is completely nonsense.
Let me more or less repeat myself: pls stop writing about things that 
you do not know pretty sure that your ideas are true.

You spread a lot of ...


i just stick with an older release (3.3.1 on most machines) but if i need to
upgrade i tend to try to fit the downloads onto Cd or usb-stick so that i can
carry it to various different machines.

There is rarely any real need to upgrade.  Just because it is there doesn't mean
you have to use it!


A useful attitude in an open source project is the opposite.


Regards from
Tom  :)

PS i just checked and my current Ubuntu is on 3.3.2 somehow, magically.


Well well ...
Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi.
I down loaded them into a folder I labelled DownloadsInstallLO (only 
for future reference).
Then in LO got to menu ToolsExtension Manager..., select Add and 
navigate to the folder with the extension and select the extension to add.

steve

On 26/05/11 7:04 AM, Tinkerer wrote:

Many thanks for the links.
I have downloaded them, but where on my Mac, Snow Leopard, do I put them so
that LO 3.4.5 will find them?

Tink.

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Variable field height in LO Base reports

2011-05-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I found a way to do this manually.   It works the easiest when your details 
fields are stacked vertically, with maybe legends on the left, since these will 
each become a  table row in the final report.  I assume you want fields to 
wordwrap exactly enough so that their content cell is only as big as it needs 
to be to contain the exact text.

STEPS:  
1. View the report.  It should give you a read-only view in LibreOffice Writer. 
 (I haven't tried this with the Calc view.)

2. Click the Edit File button (the button with the pencil symbol).

3. Do an Edit | Select All (twice to get the entire table selected).

4. Click the Optimize button (the one in the Table toolbar with the check 
mark).  Select the Optimize Row Height case (the symbol of a row with arrows 
pointing up and down).

5. This procedure should take all of the cells that had the red pointer showing 
there is more text and expand their row vertically such that all of those cells 
show the full text and it is word-wrapped as appropriate.

I suppose one could come up with a script/macro do this in one step.  

It will depend very much on your Details layout in the report design to have 
this work.  I had a details of just two fields, one over the other (ID was one, 
Big Text was the other - a no-brainer demonstration).  The fields are each only 
one line high in the form design.   The idea is to expand the fields 
selectively as needed using the table optimizer, not the report design.

 - Dennis


-Original Message-
From: Chad Neeper [mailto:cnee...@level9networks.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:00
To: users@libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Variable field height in LO Base reports


On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 19:56 -0400, Chad Neeper wrote:

 I'm investigating the feasibility of using LO Base again after a

 My first roadblock to printing the reports I need is that I can't seem 
 to find a way to make a memo or text field with a variable height. I 
 have several fields that contain anywhere from a few to hundreds of 
 characters spanning several lines. If I'm forced to create a field in 
 the report that is big enough to display all of the largest entries, 
 I'll be needlessly blowing through reams of paper. I'm sure there must 
 be a way to create a variable height field which will grow to fit the 
 data that needs to be displayed and I'm just not finding it.
On 5/25/2011 1:53 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 I'm not sure how this works through the LO Base user interface, but I have 
 some clues from the ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 on what to look for.

 The only structure I'm aware of that allows variable height (other than the 
 text flow of a document itself) is thedraw:text-box  element.  You can 
 specify a minimum height and a maximum height.  There must be a set maximum 
 if there is a minimum (there's no setting that establishes no maximum).

 Thedraw:text-box  must be within adraw:frame  in your report (which is 
 essentially a LibreOffice Writer document embedded in the Base).  
 Thedraw:text-box  can contain a paragraph that has some content derived via 
 atext:database-display  element.


 The two questions I can't answer, not using Base myself, are (1) what of the 
 above is supported in the LibreOffice Base implementation and (2) if it is 
 supported, what are the UI ceremonies to exploit the provisions in the design 
 of a report presentation.

 I see Object Resizing as a formatting option in the Oracle Report Builder, 
 but I have not found something for which those provisions are not greyed out.

I've been Googling pretty extensively and as best I can determine, it looks 
like this feature has been documented and requested, but has not yet been 
implemented in Oracle Report Builder.

http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=77605
http://osdir.com/ml/openoffice.dba.user/2007-11/msg00055.html
http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=93373

It also looks like, while S/ORB has improved considerably, it's still not quite 
robust enough for what I need. *sigh* So close! Maybe I'll check back in a 
couple of major revs!

Thanks, all.
__
*Chad Neeper*
Senior Systems Engineer

*Level 9 Networks*
740-548-8070 (voice)
866-214-6607 (fax)

/Full LAN/WAN consulting services -- Specialized in libraries and schools/


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Writer - envelope printing format problem

2011-05-25 Thread NoOp
On 05/25/2011 11:14 AM, Mike. wrote:
 On 5/23/2011 at 8:36 PM NoOp wrote:
...
 |Can you try modifying the Envelope style as I mentioned in my other
 |post? If that works, then we might have something that we can take to
 |the bug reports. This is from my other post:
 |
 | OK. I found that #6 3/4 (Personal) Envelope printed the Sender and
 | Addressee about 1 to the right of where they should be (opposite
 Mike's
 | of being too far to the left. So I opened the Envelope Style and
 found
 | that it was set to C6/5 Envelope. I changed it to #6 3/4 (Personal)
 | Envelope and adjusted the margins to 0.25 (Left, Right, Top,
 Bottom). I
 | then 'Insert|Envelope|' and set that to #6 3/4 (Personal) Envelope 
 | printed. The page now prints in the correct positions.
 |
  =
 
 
 That did not work.  The printing was still too far to the left and off
 the left edge of the envelope.

Ah well... thanks for giving it a try. I guess the next step would be to
file a bug report. Open reports that I found:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specificorder=relevance+descbug_status=__open__product=LibreOfficecontent=envelope

Have a look through those to see if one fits; some seem related, but not
exact, so it might be good to file one directly.

To file a bug report (or add to one) see:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Odt size difference between MS Office 11 and LO 3.3.2

2011-05-25 Thread plino
Hi Tom ;)

If you re-write the document from scratch using exactly the same formatting
 in
 both then i would guess that LibreOffice generates the best and possibly
 smallest .odt.


I did. It is not :) Since the MS ODF is so incomplete it manages to be the
smallest. And the OOo file is the second smallest (and in addition, valid!)

My only concern here is that TDF makes sure that the ODF files created with
LibreOffice are valid. It doesn't make sense otherwise.

And since Oracle seems to be dropping the ball on OpenOffice it would make
sense to have a validation tool on the TDF or LibreOffice site (I wouldn't
wait for OASIS...)

MSO's odf is inherently broken apparently (as mentioned fairly often by a
 variety of people) so it's not really a fair contest.  A broken jug in
 millions
 of pieces can take up a lot less space than a full jug but it probably
 can't
 hold water.


TBH I'm glad that MS Office 2007/2010 even has ODF support. Of course they
aren't going to make it that good... After all it is in their best interest
that you use their proprietary file formats :)

Cheers!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] upgrade path?

2011-05-25 Thread Tom Davies
Lol.

I'm not exactly sure how your post helps the original question.  My complete 
nonsense is from the TDF wiki.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
... we will necessarily release earlier, and then rapidly, incrementally  bug 
fix releases based on the previous stable version. Thus if you have  a need for 
the very highest quality version, it can make sense to defer  a move until the 
first or perhaps second minor point release. 

Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the wider Free  Software 
ecosystem also has huge advantages, by getting our new  features, out to users 
as quickly as possible - with a minimum of  distribution cycle lag. In 
consequence, we will aim at six monthly  releases, and over time nudge them to 
align well with the March /  September norms.

Note the bit where it says it can make sense to defer  a move and the bit 
where it says about moving to a 6monthly release cycle?  LibreOffice is not so 
flaky that it fails to work after a couple of months and 'must' be upgraded.  
It 
keeps working.  



Please, you do a lot of good work for TDF and there is no need to spoil that 
with personal attacks in public, spamming the list (ironically).  People run 
different systems in different ways for different reasons. OpenSource is about 
giving people freedom OF choice.

Regards from
Tom :)






From: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 25 May, 2011 20:14:43
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] upgrade path?

Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 19:04)

 I heard/saw somewhere that although there is currently a rapid and frequent 
(ie
 very aggressive) release cycle at the moment that there is an intention to 
slow
 down to 6monthly releases at some point within the next year or so.  
Personally

This is completely nonsense.
Let me more or less repeat myself: pls stop writing about things that you do 
not 
know pretty sure that your ideas are true.
You spread a lot of ...

 i just stick with an older release (3.3.1 on most machines) but if i need to
 upgrade i tend to try to fit the downloads onto Cd or usb-stick so that i can
 carry it to various different machines.
 
 There is rarely any real need to upgrade.  Just because it is there doesn't 
mean
 you have to use it!

A useful attitude in an open source project is the opposite.

 Regards from
 Tom  :)
 
 PS i just checked and my current Ubuntu is on 3.3.2 somehow, magically.

Well well ...
Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-users] upgrade path?

2011-05-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)

Lol.


Lol too


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan


Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case approximately 6-7 
releases a year.




Please, you do a lot of good work for TDF and there is no need to spoil that
with personal attacks in public, spamming the list (ironically).


Thanks. Fair enough, my critics on you in this case was too bold.
But be fair too, and evaluate your own posts pls.
And also, since up until now you do not seem to take into consideration 
too much what others write, I doubt that I won't be triggered in the 
future to 'spam'( :-) ) this list again.


Regards,
Cor

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Odt size difference between MS Office 11 and LO 3.3.2

2011-05-25 Thread plino
But, it is clear that

 OOo/LO could use some 'fine tuning' in the file size/image
 compression/conversion area - at least with respect to Impress. If I get
 time  if it is interest to anyone I can just build a 1 slide Impress
 presentation using the extracted .ppt jpg  compare. I've only MS Office
 2003 on a virtual machine, so I wouldn't be able to test with anything
 later in that department.


I don't mind doing a comparison if you post a link to the PPS file.

But this only has any usefulness if LO developers consider that optimizing
the ODF files is an interesting task.

Otherwise it's an academical waste of time ;)


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Odt size difference between MS Office 11 and LO 3.3.2

2011-05-25 Thread plino
Hi Gary

I don't have a link for it - M. Henri Day sent it to me directly. But
 I'll be happy to email it to you if you'd like. Note: I had to do
 considerable timing adjustments to get it to sync with the external .wav
 file in order to get it to work in OOo with gstreamer.


I meant upload it somewhere and send me the link :)
But email is fine.

I'm a Windows user so I hope it will be considerably easier to handle the
pps ;)

Cheers,
Pedro


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Odt size difference between MS Office 11 and LO 3.3.2

2011-05-25 Thread NoOp
On 05/25/2011 04:32 PM, plino wrote:
 Hi Gary
 
 I don't have a link for it - M. Henri Day sent it to me directly. But
 I'll be happy to email it to you if you'd like. Note: I had to do
 considerable timing adjustments to get it to sync with the external .wav
 file in order to get it to work in OOo with gstreamer.

 
 I meant upload it somewhere and send me the link :)
 But email is fine.
 
 I'm a Windows user so I hope it will be considerably easier to handle the
 pps ;)
 
 Cheers,
 Pedro

I'd rather not put it up on a link so sending to you directly. That
said, it plays just fine in Powerpoint so no issues there at all. What I
meant by getting it to play in OOo w/gstreamer is that I had to sync the
extracted wav to OOo (and LO as I've also converted to that as well).
OOo/LO doesn't embed the wav file, so you need to have an external wav
file then spend time sync'ing the slide captions  transitions to the
wav as each slide progresses... a real PITA. You need to do the same on
Windows, the only difference is that linux uses gstreamer (what a god
send compared to the Sun solution) and Win uses mediaplayer or such.

You can take the pps  then extract to view the jpg's in the
presentation per the instructions from the original post. Were LO to use
the original jpg files from the pps (or convert them to png's properly)
I suspect that the .odt would be close to the original pps.

G.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] new to list

2011-05-25 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 05/25/2011 01:20 PM, James Wilde wrote:

Welcome to the list, Flos.

Here you'll find all the help you'll need to use LibreOffice.  The help is all 
provided by volunteers, users like yourself.

//James

You might want to look into some other resources that are being 
created as projects for LibreOffice.  For me, I am one of the key 
people for the North American Community DVD Project. 
http://libreoffice-na.us/  We have created a DVD distribution that has 
been developed for the needs of the North American community.  There are 
projects dealing with South American and European communities.  Ours 
currently deals with English, but we are slowly working on Spanish and 
French versions.  The key part of these LibreOffice projects are the 
extras beyond the install files.  We have documentation, extensions, 
templates, localized language dictionaries, artwork, and even other 
software packages that may be of use to our user base.  Other projects 
do things that would be useful to their user base.


So, here is the first place to find help for features of LibreOffice.

Next, look into the WIKI pages to find the other places where you can 
find LibreOffice related items.


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ is a good place to start.

Then look for any regional group of people that are a part of the 
LibreOffice community.  If you live in the UK or Europe [English folk 
dancing reference], you should find some people or group not too far 
away from your region.  If you live in Canada or the USA, you will find 
people there as well that might have some common interests that could 
help with your individual LibreOffice usage.


We are a growing group of people who want to help.  We are going to try 
our best to help anyone who asks.


Tim L.
Elmira, New York, USA, World.


On May 25, 2011, at 18:25 , Phil Headford wrote:


Hello, I'm new to the list.
My name is Phil Headford, but most people call me Flos.
I'm a retired designer of satellites, and a fiddle player for English folk 
dancing.
I'm hoping to use Scribus to produce The Old Swan Band Tunebook, and the 
Shropshire area folk magazine, Shreds and Patches.
I'm also familiarising myself  with LibreOffice.
I shall be mostly lurking until I've learnt a bit more about both.
Regards,
Flos

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office Extensions

2011-05-25 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 05/25/2011 03:04 PM, Tinkerer wrote:

Many thanks for the links.
I have downloaded them, but where on my Mac, Snow Leopard, do I put them so
that LO 3.4.5 will find them?

Tink.

For Windows and Ubuntu, I double click on them, since the .oxt file uses 
LibreOffice's as their application.  You should then get the Extension 
Manager to open up and install them properly.


I did not know LO was at 3.4.5, since 3.4 is in its RC2 stage and should 
not have gone that high yet.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?

2011-05-25 Thread NoOp
On 05/25/2011 03:21 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
 Lol.
 
 Lol too
 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
 
 Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case approximately 6-7 
 releases a year.
...

No. It means the final releases are (I suspect) in sync with Ubuntu
releases:

quote
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the wider Free
Software ecosystem also has huge advantages, by getting our new
features, out to users as quickly as possible - with a minimum of
distribution cycle lag. In consequence, we will aim at six monthly
releases, and over time nudge them to align well with the March /
September norms.
/quote

Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to Ubuntu/possibly other
distro release schedules. Let's see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence
the LO March time) and October (hence the LO September time)...

This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 release in sync with Ubuntu
Natty 11.04 with considerable breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell
me that I'm wrong.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?

2011-05-25 Thread Matthew Young
On 05/25/2011 08:24 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 21:15 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press
 Productions wrote:
 well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st.  We are on RC2 right now.
 I see only RC1 on the Pre-Releases page of the website. Where can I get
 RC2?

 --Jean


http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

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[libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?

2011-05-25 Thread NoOp
On 05/25/2011 06:15 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:
 On 05/25/2011 08:30 PM, NoOp wrote:
 On 05/25/2011 03:21 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
 Lol.
 Lol too

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
 Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case approximately 6-7
 releases a year.
 ...

 No. It means the final releases are (I suspect) in sync with Ubuntu
 releases:

 quote
 Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the wider Free
 Software ecosystem also has huge advantages, by getting our new
 features, out to users as quickly as possible - with a minimum of
 distribution cycle lag. In consequence, we will aim at six monthly
 releases, and over time nudge them to align well with the March /
 September norms.
 /quote

 Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to Ubuntu/possibly other
 distro  release schedules. Let's see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence
 the LO March time) and October (hence the LO September time)...

 This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 release in sync with Ubuntu
 Natty 11.04 with considerable breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell
 me that I'm wrong.
 well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st.  We are on RC2 right now.
...
 That is my opinion - what is yours?

My opinion is that you missed my point(s) entirely.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?

2011-05-25 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 20:48 -0500, Matthew Young wrote:
 On 05/25/2011 08:24 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
  On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 21:15 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press
  Productions wrote:
  well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st.  We are on RC2 right now.
  I see only RC1 on the Pre-Releases page of the website. Where can I get
  RC2?
 
  --Jean
 
 
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/
 

Thanks! Looks very new, so I expect it will be on the main site before
too long. -Jean


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