Re: [libreoffice-users] search does not find (

2011-06-18 Thread Keith Bates
Hi ThomasI just tried it in the Linux version and it works fine. Had a
document with ( and ) in it and it found both just on a straight
find.KeithOn 18/06/11 12:07, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:Good morning
(Windox XP desktop, LO 3.3.0)
just noticed:
the search function DOES NOT find ordinary brackets: (, ), [, ] etc.
(not regular expression etc. ...)


THESE are not any form of special characters.
Every software I know of with a search function can find these ASCII
characters.
What is so special about them, that LO does NOT find them (they are
right there on the screen!).


Recently I have started working with LO, but this kind of really stupid
problems makes me wonder ...


In case there is a solution, I would like to hear it.


Thank you.
Thomas-- 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] search does not find (

2011-06-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Thomas,

Thomas Blasejewicz wrote (18-06-11 04:07)
 Good morning
 (Windox XP desktop, LO 3.3.0)
 just noticed:
 the search function DOES NOT find ordinary brackets: (, ), [, ] etc.
 (not regular expression etc. ...)

No problems here in 3.3.0 on Ubuntu.
Maybe you can try this version?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

2011-06-18 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit

Il 17/06/2011 19:34, jorge ha scritto:

Hi !

I think the most import is that there are several kinds of users, at
least in OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice. Some of them use some features
as statistical funcions; other use pivot table or macros ... as examples
in CALC. Same in Writer, Base, Impress and others. Exceptions users use
a lot of features at the same time ... but is so important to have on
hand all that features because if you need one of them you only have to
click for using... that is great at least for me ... I didn't use all
the features but I 've used much of them in some different moments since
I use Open Sourse office suites.

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez
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Yes I agree, you dont' know when you need a function so if you find it 
at glance instead of install is very better than install it, nowdays 
disk space are very cheap:-))


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Re: [libreoffice-users] search does not find (

2011-06-18 Thread Brian Barker

At 11:07 18/06/2011 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

(Windows XP desktop, LO 3.3.0)
just noticed: the search function DOES NOT find ordinary brackets: 
(, ), [, ] etc. (not regular expression etc. ...)  THESE are not any 
form of special characters.  Every software I know of with a search 
function can find these ASCII characters.  What is so special about 
them, that LO does NOT find them (they are right there on the screen!).


I'm not sure what you mean by (not regular expression etc. 
...).  If you have Regular expressions ticked in the Find  
Replace dialogue, then parentheses and (square) brackets are indeed 
special characters - as are braces.


Recently I have started working with LO, but this kind of really 
stupid problems makes me wonder ...


Does this really count as stupid?


In case there is a solution, I would like to hear it.


o  If you are not using regular expressions, remove the tick from 
Regular expressions.
o  If you are using regular expressions, you need to escape each 
special character with a backslash.  A search for \( or \) will find 
your parentheses.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] search does not find (

2011-06-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Cor Nouws wrote (18-06-11 09:42)
 Hi Thomas,
 
 Thomas Blasejewicz wrote (18-06-11 04:07)
 Good morning
 (Windox XP desktop, LO 3.3.0)
 just noticed:
 the search function DOES NOT find ordinary brackets: (, ), [, ] etc.
 (not regular expression etc. ...)
 
 No problems here in 3.3.0 on Ubuntu.

Oops, should have been 3.3.3 :-)

 Maybe you can try this version?
 
 Cheers,
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

2011-06-18 Thread lee
planas jsloz...@gmail.com writes:

 Lee,

 On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 21:42 +0200, lee wrote:

 planas jsloz...@gmail.com writes:
 
  I believe that the 80/20 is somewhat misleading. As noted earlier must
  use approximately 20% but not the same 20%.
 
  I would estimate that somewhere around 50% of all the features are used
  reasonably often and the rest are rarely used.
 
 There are substantial features 100% of the users use, aren´t there?
 What´s the percentage of such substantial features compared to all
 features?
 
 If substantial features make for 20%, you would have 80% percent of all
 features of which 50% are rarely used. If I´m not mistaken, that makes
 already 60% of all features used reasonably often. When you need to make
 a package that provides 60% of all available features, you might find
 that there´s another 20% or 30% of all available features that need to
 be packaged as well because of dependencies.
 
 When you need to package 80--90% of all features anyway, how
 important is it to put effort into packaging only 10--20% of all
 features seperately?
 

 The current problem is we do not have any good information of what
 features are not very important and do not extend the functionality for
 all but a few users. The question is what mix of included and extensible
 features should be available beyond those that are important.

Which features are important?

 One of the problems is you need either a lot different users surveyed
 at the same time or smaller number surveyed over a longer period of
 time. For example, most of the time I do not use a table of contents
 in my documents but when I need the feature I must have it. How many
 people need this feature irregularly versus those that often use it? I
 do not know.

There you go: When you need a particular feature, you must have it. When
you need it, it is totally irrelevant how often you or other users use
it.

How often a feature is used and/or how many users use it doesn´t say
anything about how important the feature is. When someone needs it, it
has to be there.

 One of the marketing tricks is tout all the features you have in your
 package without regard to how useful many are to all but a handful of
 users. Look carefully at some the commercial software ads and notice how
 often they tout features that look nice but you probably will never use.

What´s worse? Having features you don´t need often or not at all in the
software you use or having to look for other software you don´t use and
that has the particular feature (and maybe not others) you happen to
need (maybe only once ever) and use that instead?

And what about one of the most important features: being able to create
a text or a spreadsheet or a presentation or some other kind of document
you can still use 20 or 60 years later?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Side by side install of LibO and OOo

2011-06-18 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi ..,

aqualung wrote (18-06-11 06:12)

It would be nice to have the option of keeping OOo, for the odd case when
something that works in it is broken in LibreOffice, or when you need OOo
installed in order to provide help to another user who has OOo but not LibO.


I think that is a fair idea.


The way to do this, I guess, would be to add an option in LibO's
installation, e.g.:


Thanks for your text. Too me, it looks good, though I am not interested 
myself at all, since I use parallel installation all the time ;-)
Could be handy for you too: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel


But for your idea: the best is to have a look at bugZilla if there 
already is an issue for this, where you might add your thoughts.
And if not, create a new issue. See this page for info: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How can I reset all settings?

2011-06-18 Thread John B

Dear Jan

I had a similar problem where I needed an as-new  clean re-install

I spent many hours on this including editing the registry (never a good 
idea).


I wish that I had posted this first,  as Roxy's idea of using 
Revo-Uninstall does the same (if not better) in a matter of minutes. 
There were other cleaners suggested,  but this is the one I chose to try.


However,  just out of interest, the configuration files are held in 
docs settings/your user-name?/application data/LibraOffice
which is not deleted with the standard windows un-install (bad dog!).


If you say (do as I do in Options), change the rulers in Write to inches 
and the background colour to blue(chart12), you will find that 4 files 
are changed in this directory. I have absolutely no idea what does what 
and will probably never need to know.


All the best

John B












On 17/06/2011 21:22, NoOp wrote:

On 06/17/2011 12:51 PM, Gérard FARGEOT wrote:



Message du 17/06/11 21:23 De : Jan Parttimaa A :
users@global.libreoffice.org Copie à : Objet : [libreoffice-users]
How can I reset all settings?

Hi all!

I have a question. How can I reset all settings and toolbars to
defaults in LibreOffice? I already tried to unistall and reinstall
LibreOffice and yes I restarted PC after unistalling but it didn't
work. I still have non-default settings. I use Windows 7 (64-bit).

Sincerely

Jan Parttimaa


Reset your user profile :
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58401#p58401

  Gérard

And change all 'openoffice.org' to 'libreoffice.org' in those instructions.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] search does not find (

2011-06-18 Thread John B
Dear Thomas

Whilst I am not suggesting you try LibraOffice 3.4, but it works on my
computer using 3.4

It was not an exhaustive test but it found ( ) * # [ % - until I got fed up


John B




On 18/06/2011 03:07, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
 Good morning
 (Windox XP desktop, LO 3.3.0)
 just noticed:
 the search function DOES NOT find ordinary brackets: (, ), [, ] etc.
 (not regular expression etc. ...)

 THESE are not any form of special characters.
 Every software I know of with a search function can find these ASCII
 characters.
 What is so special about them, that LO does NOT find them (they are
 right there on the screen!).

 Recently I have started working with LO, but this kind of really stupid
 problems makes me wonder ...

 In case there is a solution, I would like to hear it.

 Thank you.
 Thomas




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Re: [libreoffice-users] search does not find (

2011-06-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The 3.3.0 was the first release and it might be good to try a more recent 
version but i would recommend the 3.3.2 or wait a week or so and then try the 
3.3.3 as it was released just a couple of days ago.  The 3.4.0 seems to have a 
lot of issues for quite a few people and the 3.4.1 is due out soon which fixes 
a 
lot of issues.  


The 3.3.x series is the stable branch and the 3.4.x seems to be testing newer 
perhaps more advanced features.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: John B jo...@email2.me
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 18 June, 2011 12:33:17
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] search does not find (

Dear Thomas

Whilst I am not suggesting you try LibraOffice 3.4, but it works on my
computer using 3.4

It was not an exhaustive test but it found ( ) * # [ % - until I got fed up


John B




On 18/06/2011 03:07, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
 Good morning
 (Windox XP desktop, LO 3.3.0)
 just noticed:
 the search function DOES NOT find ordinary brackets: (, ), [, ] etc.
 (not regular expression etc. ...)

 THESE are not any form of special characters.
 Every software I know of with a search function can find these ASCII
 characters.
 What is so special about them, that LO does NOT find them (they are
 right there on the screen!).

 Recently I have started working with LO, but this kind of really stupid
 problems makes me wonder ...

 In case there is a solution, I would like to hear it.

 Thank you.
 Thomas




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How can I reset all settings?

2011-06-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
There are 2 advantages to NOT un-installing users configurations when the 
package is un-installed.
1. When you reinstall again later on everything is set-up the way you like it.
2. You might have templates, dictionaries, even images in the gallery that 
might 
be painful to lose
Both can be a huge advantage when upgrading or reinstalling.  

Being able to rename the config folder so that you get back to factory 
defaults for LO saves the hassle of having to reinstall just because something 
went a bit wonky.  It can be an excellent quick-fi and can also be used to 
trouble-shoot down to exactly where a problem occurred.  


I wonder if it's possible to copypaste the config to different machines (eg in 
a corporate network) so that they all have some good settings?  I might play 
around with that on Wednesday (if i remember).  


It does seem a bit dumb, untidy or geeky at first but allows you a lot of 
finesse and control.  

Regards from
Tom :)






From: John B jo...@email2.me
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 18 June, 2011 12:23:20
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: How can I reset all settings?

Dear Jan

I had a similar problem where I needed an as-new  clean re-install

I spent many hours on this including editing the registry (never a good idea).

I wish that I had posted this first,  as Roxy's idea of using Revo-Uninstall 
does the same (if not better) in a matter of minutes. There were other cleaners 
suggested,  but this is the one I chose to try.

However,  just out of interest, the configuration files are held in docs 
settings/your user-name?/application data/LibraOfficewhich is not 
deleted 
with the standard windows un-install (bad dog!).

If you say (do as I do in Options), change the rulers in Write to inches and 
the 
background colour to blue(chart12), you will find that 4 files are changed in 
this directory. I have absolutely no idea what does what and will probably 
never 
need to know.

All the best

John B












On 17/06/2011 21:22, NoOp wrote:
 On 06/17/2011 12:51 PM, Gérard FARGEOT wrote:
 
 Message du 17/06/11 21:23 De : Jan Parttimaa A :
 users@global.libreoffice.org Copie à : Objet : [libreoffice-users]
 How can I reset all settings?
 
 Hi all!
 
 I have a question. How can I reset all settings and toolbars to
 defaults in LibreOffice? I already tried to unistall and reinstall
 LibreOffice and yes I restarted PC after unistalling but it didn't
 work. I still have non-default settings. I use Windows 7 (64-bit).
 
 Sincerely
 
 Jan Parttimaa
 
 Reset your user profile :
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58401#p58401
 
   Gérard
 And change all 'openoffice.org' to 'libreoffice.org' in those instructions.
 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

2011-06-18 Thread aqualung
Cor  Twayne,

Thank you for your replies.


Twayne wrote:
 
 
 If you think about the preceding paragraph, it's saying that both OOo and
 LO 
 use the same file types and thus there could be confusion to the program
 as 
 to which program should open a given file. 

Why should there be confusion? If LibO during installation grabs all ODF
file types for itself, then doubleclicking on, say, an .odt file will launch
LibO Writer but not OOo Wtiter. OOo could then still open the .odt via File
 Open. And vice versa, if the user is given a choice during LibO
installation to leave existing file associations intact. Ditto for Microsoft
Office file types.


Twayne wrote:
 
 Since you're apparently leaving OOo for LO

Not so fast . I'd like to have both OOo and LibO coexisting on my system
indefinitely. And I would expect to be able to make either program the
default for all (or only some) possible file types via Windows Control Panel
at any time.

I've searched the bugzilla to see if this has been filed as a bug, did not
find one. However, I found this:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33844, which suggests that LibO
does not play nicely with OOo (but maybe it's only a problem for Portable
LibO?)

I wouldn't mind not being able to have both LibO and OOo open and running
simultaneously, but I find the suggestion to uninstall OOo before installing
LibO mystifying.

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[libreoffice-users] gmane test

2011-06-18 Thread Larry Gusaas

test

Larry
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Disappearing Spell Checker

2011-06-18 Thread Roxy Robinson
Well, its a moot point now whether it is related to one of those bugs or not, 
as I went ahead and installed 3.3.3 final. But now have another problem as I 
ran back into the installation problem that started with 3.3.2. The 
installation hangs - it will not complete on its own. It gets near what you 
think is the end of the installation and it hangs my CPU at 50% usage. The 
first install try I hit cancel - nothing happens. I hit the X (close 
window) on the installer dialog window and nothing happens. I open Process 
Explorer and unopkg.bin has my CPU hung at 50%. So, I just let it sit there 
like that for close to 15 minutes. Then I killed the unopkg.bin file in 
Process Explorer. The install window closed and became a window telling me that 
LO installation had been stopped - that it could be installed again later.
I waited about 15 minutes and tried again. This time I got the window with 3 
options: Modify, Repair, or Remove. I choose Repair. Again at a point when you 
would think the install should be complete (the status bar quits moving 
altogether), it hangs my CPU up again at 50%. So I don't do anything this time 
but wait for 25 minutes. Status bar on the installation window has still not 
moved and my CPU is still at 50%, hung there by unopkg.bin. But this time 
when I kill that process I get the Installation Complete window, and it 
appears all is well and I have LO 3.3.3 installed. Haven't found anything wrong 
yet.
This started with the first install of LO 3.3.2. It also happened with 3.3.2 
both times I repaired spell check by using the Modify function of install. So 
that was 3 times with 3.3.2 and now the first time with 3.3.3.
I run Win7-64.
Oh, yes, I had completely uninstalled OO, using RevoUninstaller, a few hours to 
doing this new install. Thought that maybe somehow the side by side 
installation might be doing something with the install package. But that didn't 
have any effect on the installation process.
Roxy


Hi,

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 05:28, Roxy Robinson wrote:
 About a week ago I posted a problem I have had with the spell checker 
 disappearing - yes, that's correct - disappearing. This will be the 3rd time 
 since I installed LO 3.3.2, which was installed a couple days after the final 
 release became available.
 I was typing in some recipes tonight and misspelled a word - actually 
 realized I misspelled it about the time I finished the word. Well, my little 
 red squiggly didn't show up. What the heck - not again! So I went to Writing 
 Aids in Options. Once again, I do not have ANY Available language modules in 
 the window. And of course, if there aren't any available, it can't check the 
 spelling. This is absolutely crazy.
 Oh, well, I have the 3.3.3 final downloaded so I guess this will be as good 
 as time as any to install it and see what happens.
 I run Win7 - 64.

Maybe related to the following bug reports:

(1) Bug 37439 - Dictionary access lost [duplicate of Bug 37195]
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37439

- Please have a look at the screenshots (Attachments/Details)
- You might try (s. Comment #1):
1. Close LibO.
2. Go to your user profile: rename the folder 'bundled'
[path: '...\3\user\extensions\bundled'], e.g.: 'bundled_old'.
3. Restart LibO:
A new folder 'bundled' will be created in the user profile.
All bundled dictionaries will be available.

See also:
(2) Bug 37195 - Dictionary access lost after LibO upgrade
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37195

mjk

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[libreoffice-users] Re: gmane test

2011-06-18 Thread NoOp
On 06/18/2011 10:07 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
 test
 
 Larry

Working.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: gmane test

2011-06-18 Thread NoOp
On 06/18/2011 10:07 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
 test
 
 Larry

I'd asked on the gmane.discuss group  Adam Sjøgren was kind enough to
fix the issue:

 On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:51:16 -0700, NoOp wrote:
 
  From us...@libreoffice.org
  http://gmane.org/list-address.php?group=gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user
  To users@global.libreoffice.org
 Ok; updated.
 
 
   Best regards,
 
 Adam




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[libreoffice-users] Error saving LibreOffice Documents under MacOSX 10.7 Lion Preview

2011-06-18 Thread fwm
hi world,
i am now testing the new Lion Version ( is a Preview from the
Mac-Developer ) which comes next month to the Apple Store.

But if i use LibreOffice (also a new installed actual version ). LibreOffice
can't save/export any document. 
The dialog says file can not created and after the error message i find a
directory with the new name i want to give to the filename.

Is there a problem with the extension exports with LibreOffice ???
I have repared the user right also, but the same effect.

Any ideas ?

Thanks
fwm 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] mail merge

2011-06-18 Thread planas
Pamela,

On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 12:23 -0400, parks wrote:

 I have 3.3 version on windows7 home premium 64 bit.  I used word and excel to 
 produce invoices.  I could specify what groups to merge and print based on a 
 specific field and then if the date in the cells were blank or nonblank.  I 
 was able to get the merge fields for the addresses and such set up but I 
 don’t see where I can run separate groups is this possible in Libre or will I 
 have to have each group in it’s own spreadsheet?  I searched for mail merge 
 in writer in the forum but did find anything addressing this.  I am a 
 beginner so forgive me if I missed the answer.
 
 Thanks
 pamela

The Mail Merge Wizard is located under TOOLS, I have not used it so I
can not give you tips. It looks similar to the one in MS Word. I would
expect it work similarly to Word's wizard.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error saving LibreOffice Documents under MacOSX 10.7 Lion Preview

2011-06-18 Thread planas
Hi,

On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 11:51 -0700, fwm wrote:

 hi world,
 i am now testing the new Lion Version ( is a Preview from the
 Mac-Developer ) which comes next month to the Apple Store.
 
 But if i use LibreOffice (also a new installed actual version ). LibreOffice
 can't save/export any document. 
 The dialog says file can not created and after the error message i find a
 directory with the new name i want to give to the filename.
 
 Is there a problem with the extension exports with LibreOffice ???
 I have repared the user right also, but the same effect.
 
 Any ideas ?
 
 Thanks
 fwm 
 
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[libreoffice-users] *dbf files open in Calc not Base

2011-06-18 Thread John B

Hi

The standard for many years for Database files was  *.dbf (dBase) and 
I have many.


It is very strange that in LibreOffice this opens up in Calc and not 
Base, no matter how I try to force it.


Calc is simply not good enough to handle Database files.

This is also confirmed in the File Open lists:-  dBase(.dbf) is listed 
in Calc and it is absent from Base


Is this a bug - have I missed something ?

regards

John B

Windows XP Pro Sp3
LibreOffice 3.4


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Re: [libreoffice-users] *dbf files open in Calc not Base

2011-06-18 Thread Roland Hughes
While it may be counter intiutive, it is not a bug.  There is only one
Java class library which does something close to an adequate job when it
comes to DBF files, and that is the xBaseJ class library which I wrote a
book about.  Despite calling dbf a standard there IS ABSOLUTELY NO
XBASE STANDARD.  While there are some overlapping similarities due to
the fact they all stole code from the Jet Propulsion Lab to start with,
each flavor has different limitations, defaults, and characteristics.
This is especially true with indexes and memo fields.

http://www.free-ebooks.net/ebook/The-Minimum-You-Need-to-Know-About-Java-and-xBaseJ

The book is completely free.  Pull it down and read up.  This class
library was also the only active project on SourceForge, so
LibreOffice may want to include it to get DBF access for BASE.

Don't quote me, but, as I remember, BASE had to have a Java plug-in to
connect to a database entity.  java-postgres-blah-blah
java-mysql-blah-blah etc.  There is no java-dbf-blah-blah because there
is no dbf server.


On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 23:48 +0100, John B wrote:

 Hi
 
 The standard for many years for Database files was  *.dbf (dBase) and 
 I have many.
 
 It is very strange that in LibreOffice this opens up in Calc and not 
 Base, no matter how I try to force it.
 
 Calc is simply not good enough to handle Database files.
 
 This is also confirmed in the File Open lists:-  dBase(.dbf) is listed 
 in Calc and it is absent from Base
 
 Is this a bug - have I missed something ?
 
 regards
 
 John B
 
 Windows XP Pro Sp3
 LibreOffice 3.4
 
 


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RE: [libreoffice-users] *dbf files open in Calc not Base

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't think it is a bug.

Microsoft Excel opens (imports) *.dbf files too.

There is not much that Base opens directly.  Is there a jDBC connector for 
*.dbf that you could use?

Microsoft Access 2007 opens dBase III, IV, 5 I see (and it is the only one I 
have lying around that I can check).  And, much to my surprise, dBase is still 
in production, but I guess you don't want that product.

 - Dennis

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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] *dbf files open in Calc  not Base

Hi

The standard for many years for Database files was  *.dbf (dBase) and 
I have many.

It is very strange that in LibreOffice this opens up in Calc and not 
Base, no matter how I try to force it.

Calc is simply not good enough to handle Database files.

This is also confirmed in the File Open lists:-  dBase(.dbf) is listed 
in Calc and it is absent from Base

Is this a bug - have I missed something ?

regards

John B

Windows XP Pro Sp3
LibreOffice 3.4


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

2011-06-18 Thread planas
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:39 +0200, lee wrote:

 planas jsloz...@gmail.com writes:
 
  Lee,
 
  On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 21:42 +0200, lee wrote:
 
  planas jsloz...@gmail.com writes:
  
   I believe that the 80/20 is somewhat misleading. As noted earlier must
   use approximately 20% but not the same 20%.
  
   I would estimate that somewhere around 50% of all the features are used
   reasonably often and the rest are rarely used.
  
  There are substantial features 100% of the users use, aren´t there?
  What´s the percentage of such substantial features compared to all
  features?
  
  If substantial features make for 20%, you would have 80% percent of all
  features of which 50% are rarely used. If I´m not mistaken, that makes
  already 60% of all features used reasonably often. When you need to make
  a package that provides 60% of all available features, you might find
  that there´s another 20% or 30% of all available features that need to
  be packaged as well because of dependencies.
  
  When you need to package 80--90% of all features anyway, how
  important is it to put effort into packaging only 10--20% of all
  features seperately?
  
 
  The current problem is we do not have any good information of what
  features are not very important and do not extend the functionality for
  all but a few users. The question is what mix of included and extensible
  features should be available beyond those that are important.
 
 Which features are important?

Beyond the basic file manipulation, you have the basic data
entry/handling needed for each application. The features, many wlll
probably be included are useful for some but not all users.

 
  One of the problems is you need either a lot different users surveyed
  at the same time or smaller number surveyed over a longer period of
  time. For example, most of the time I do not use a table of contents
  in my documents but when I need the feature I must have it. How many
  people need this feature irregularly versus those that often use it? I
  do not know.
 
 There you go: When you need a particular feature, you must have it. When
 you need it, it is totally irrelevant how often you or other users use
 it.
 
 How often a feature is used and/or how many users use it doesn´t say
 anything about how important the feature is. When someone needs it, it
 has to be there.

I would disagree, it takes time to code and debug a feature that is very
rarely used by a small number users. These features may better added as
extension. The problem is where to draw the line and say this one is
included and this one will be a possible extension.


 
  One of the marketing tricks is tout all the features you have in your
  package without regard to how useful many are to all but a handful of
  users. Look carefully at some the commercial software ads and notice how
  often they tout features that look nice but you probably will never use.
 
 What´s worse? Having features you don´t need often or not at all in the
 software you use or having to look for other software you don´t use and
 that has the particular feature (and maybe not others) you happen to
 need (maybe only once ever) and use that instead?

This will always be a problem for any software package. It is impossible
to provide all the possible features that may get used very rarely.
Also, it is very difficult to determine in advance all the ways users
will find for the software. That is partly why macros are important,
they provide a possible method to provide really unusual features at the
cost of the user needing to know some programming.

 
 And what about one of the most important features: being able to create
 a text or a spreadsheet or a presentation or some other kind of document
 you can still use 20 or 60 years later?

The problem is the fact many documents were produced on abandon ware or used 
deprecated file formats, eg old MS Word or Excel formats. 

Some of the problem is caused by users switching programs but doing the
tedious chore of converting the old files to a newer format. Another
problem is the obsolete storage media used. How many people have the
ability to read a 3.5 floppy let alone a 5.25 floppy or old zip disks.

Another issue is the life span of the storage media, most will degrade
with time. 

The solution to file formats being unreadable is to use backward
compatible formats that allow the opening of the older formats. But then
you have the problem of how far back you must go for backward
compatibility. It helps to use open/standard formats rather than
proprietary formats, but this is still a partial solution.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

2011-06-18 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 06/18/2011 07:52 PM, planas wrote:

On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:39 +0200, lee wrote:


planasjsloz...@gmail.com  writes:

snip

There you go: When you need a particular feature, you must have it. When
you need it, it is totally irrelevant how often you or other users use
it.

How often a feature is used and/or how many users use it doesn´t say
anything about how important the feature is. When someone needs it, it
has to be there.

I would disagree, it takes time to code and debug a feature that is very
rarely used by a small number users. These features may better added as
extension. The problem is where to draw the line and say this one is
included and this one will be a possible extension.


snip

I think that the use of Extensions for the functions that are not used 
very often [or rarely], or by few users, is the way to go.  I see some 
old extensions that were created to add functions before they were added 
to the package.


If there is a need for a function for Calc, Draw, Writer, etc., then 
maybe creating an extension is the proper route to go.


There is a movement to make a replacement for Oracle's report builder 
extension.  I do not think anyone would tell you they would want that 
report builder a default, internal, function of LibreOffice.  That type 
of function is useful as an extension.


To be honest, you could make a lot of the seldom used or rare functions 
or options into extensions so the user can pick and choose to add it to 
their LibreOffice install.  Just like all the language dictionaries, if 
you do not need Lower Sorbian than you do not need it built into the 
package.  When you do need it, then install the dictionary extension for it.




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[libreoffice-users] Too many variables in writer document problem

2011-06-18 Thread RGS_2012
Hello everyone,

I wrote this Bug report some Years ago against Open Office.
Unfortunately I had not so much time ( frequent travelling ) to follow
up. At that time I changed the document - reduced amount of variables -
to make  it working.

But now I´m back again to the Problem and no way out.

Problem:
As I already stated, I use the writer feature set/display variable
heavily with losts of calculations referring previously set/calculated
variables.
After defining ( too ) many variables, writers enters a strange
behaviour:

Instead of showing the value of the set/show variable, it shows the just
the name of this partikular and all further new introduced variables.

I´ve tried to show the problem taking screen shots.

I will send these screen shots and the document together with the
post.

A telephone contact in Germany would be nice to get, hence it`s much
easier to explain the problem interactively. 

The basic questions - as far as i think - are:

1. Is there a limit in the number or size of variables ?
2. a pointer reference problem ?  
 
PLEASE: don´t complain: I still use an Open Office version of the Debian
distro. Be shure that the problem is still in Libre Office to. The
version I recognized the problem is 1.xx. So it WILL be in Libre Office
too.
 
OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 
OOO320m19 (Build:9505)
ooo-build 3.2.1.4, Debian package 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2

PLEASE:Don´t ask me to use Calc instead. I use Calc when it good for.
Not for documents!

Here the relates files. 

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/TooManyVariables_CorrectOperation_SetVariable.png
TooManyVariables_CorrectOperation_SetVariable.png 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/NK_SB_11_13_2010_ForLibreOffice.odt
NK_SB_11_13_2010_ForLibreOffice.odt 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_ChangeVariable.png
TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_ChangeVariable.png 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_InsertNewVariable.png
TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_InsertNewVariable.png 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_SetVariable.png
TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_SetVariable.png 
Thanks for looking at it!

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