date:20110621

Tom Cloyd wrote:
> * changing the original formulat to =IF($E10="x",&"K4",0) or
> =IF($E10="x",&K4,0) - where K4 is the cell with the calculated text string.
> Either of these result in an error 510.

I notice the part &"K4"
I think you may have confused your syntax here.  In Calc formulas, the
ampersand (&) symbol is actually the concatenation operator.  I
suspect you're coming from a C/C++ environment.

> Here's the calculation formula for the string: 
> =CONCATENATE("'",K2,K1,"-",K3,"',N$4")

Another way of doing this would be:
= "'" & K2 & K1 & "-" & K3 & "',N$4"
It should do the same as your concatenate example, just another way of
writing it

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Enabling Macros - misleading labelling

Roxy Robinson wrote:
> And just why would Macros be considered experimental features Macros have 
> been
> around forever.

Macros are not considered an experimental feature.  They work even if
"Enable experimental (unstable) features" is unticked.  However,
*recording* macros is not a fully polished feature, so it's considered
experimental.  There are other ways to create macros, such as opening
the Macro editer (ALT+F11) and typing code in Basic.

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Hi Roxy and John,
I believe you two are using different parts of LibO.  It sounds like
John is using Calc, while Roxy is using Writer.  The paste special
options in these two modules are different.

Roxy,
your "drop-down arrow paste special" method works well.  But it does
not work well in all cases.

For instance, go to a blog or website with a lot of text.  Now, to
paste a paragraph into Writer you would normally select the paragraph,
copy (Ctrl+C), select the point in Writer where you want to paste it,
click the "paste special" drop-down arrow, select "unformatted text"
and it's done.  In this case it works well.

But now, copy and paste every second or third word from 3 or 4
paragraphs.  Now you need to do 100 or so paste specials, then 1 or 2
extra mouse clicks make it fairly tedious.  From what I read, it seems
that lee is copying and pasting a few words at a time, but it is done
quite frequently.  So in lee's case, he would probably prefer
something else.  And it looks like he found a solution that works for
him.

lee,
I think it should be possible to assign a short-cut key to the icon
you created.  As you probably don't want a keyboard button, maybe you
can try to assign it to the middle mouse button?  Just a thought, I
could be wrong.

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Stephan Zietsman wrote:
> So in lee's case, he would probably prefer
> something else.  And it looks like he found a solution that works for
> him.

Sorry, lee.  I assumed your gender (by saying "he" and "him"), which
is generally considered bad etiquette.  I apologise.

lee wrote:
> Hm. Perhaps I can find a way to put an icon into the toolbar that pastes
> unformatted text? ... YES! I just did :) It´s not an icon, it makes a
> big field in the toolbar, labled "Unformatierten Text einfügen" ("insert
> unformatted text"). That makes a nicely big field easy enough to click
> :) I´ll use that now.

How did you create an icon like that?  At first I thought it should be
fairly easy, but when I tried, I couldn't find a way.

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Stephan Zietsman wrote:
> How did you create an icon like that?  At first I thought it should be
> fairly easy, but when I tried, I couldn't find a way.

Never mind, I found it.  Right-click on any toolbar -> Customise
toolbar... -> Toolbar tab -> Add... -> (Category) Edit -> (Commands)
Paste Unformatted text -> Add -> OK

I can't find a way to assign middle mouse to it though, sorry.

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Roxy Robinson  writes:

> As I have already stated several times, you practically already have what you 
> are 
> asking for by using the down arrow next to the Paste Icon on the toolbar! 2 
> clicks 
> instead of one.

You still don´t understand it. I would have to hit an arrow so tiny
that, as you may have noticed, people --- yourself included, IIRC ---
don´t even see it, which is straining and not anywhere near as fast and
simple as the system-wide standard way of pasting which involves only
two clicks and doesn´t require one to hit tiny arrows.

Your way is two clicks more, not one, btw.

Anyway, the button for pasting unformatted text in the toolbar makes it
easy now. That doesn´t change that having the application pick something
as default which is 99% of the time not what the users want and not
allowing the users to set another default is bad design. Since LO breaks
copying and pasting because there´s useful options involved with that,
it makes it neccessary to be able to to set a default so that copying
and pasting isn´t broken anymore and the additional options can still be
used. That´s obvious and not hard to understand at all.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] List box not updating field with bound value

Arrrgh! What a long, sad march through the wilderness this has been. 
Following what seemed like a most reasonable suggestion (which I 
wouldn't have needed had I been less exhausted when I posted 
originally),  I went searching in the OO forum archive (well, using 
Google, to be truthful, which isn't quite the best way, but I'm in a 
hurry) to find out why my list boxes weren't working, and what I could 
do to fix them.


In short, there's a lot of smoke out there, but damn little fire. 
Theorists abound, and some folks definitely found the long way round the 
mountain (and lost ME in the process). I just wanted to build a fire and 
cook some supper. More particularly, I wanted to place a number in an 
integer field in my main table which could be linked to a key in another 
table so that a data field in the record with the matching key can be 
made to appear in the main record, using relational database magic. 
Maybe one can do all sorts of other things with list boxes, but I'm not 
interested. I'm just trying to build a form that uses a table relation 
locate the value I want for my main table record, and put that value's 
key into a field in the main record. This is a basic, routine thing one 
does with relational databases. Because I do it somewhat less than 
daily, I need written instructions to keep me from shooting my foot.


Here's where you won't find out how to do it - the " Combo Box/List Box 
Wizard" article in the LO help file. I read that thing 3 times, and I've 
used list boxes in MS Access for years, but I still don't know what 
they're talking about. For technical writing real people can use, this 
one gets a "D'. My despair increased perceptibly after my encounter with 
this disastrous article.


I'll skip additional recounting of the misery I encountered trying to 
find some straightforward instructions about how to do what I wanted to 
do. Instead, I'll provide some:


GOAL: Using a form which has text boxes linked to fields in your main 
table, you want to be able to select values for some of the fields, 
using a drop down list box. The value selected will be placed in the 
main table indirectly, using a reference to another table which contains 
the possibilities available for the main table field. This reference is, 
of course, a record key field. Using this indirect reference, we keep 
the database "normal", which helps to minimize data entry error (which 
makes data retrieval harder, when it occurs).


DO THIS:

1. CREATE VIEWS. You will using a main table and one or more secondary 
tables, with the latter providing the list contents for the list box 
controls you'll be setting up in your main table. Since table field 
names aren't always human-friendly, and in any case may need to be 
changed in the future, create a view for each table, such that those 
fields which need them have "aliases" to make field labels more 
human-friendly (understandable). Since you're going to use view, and not 
tables, should you need to change these labels in the future, you need 
do it only once - in the view, rather than in each table in which the 
field appears.


2. CREATE A BASIC FORM. Use the form wizard to quickly make a form 
containing the fields from your main table which you care about. Use any 
of the templates you wish, as long as the result is that the desired 
record fields for a single record appear on the form. (This is the quick 
way to get things going.)


3. LOCATE THE FIELDS OF INTEREST. These would be those that at this 
point are text boxes linked to fields, but which you wish to be list 
boxes linked to main table fields. With EACH of them, execute the 
remaining steps in this list:


4. REMOVE THE TEXT BOX (ONLY). Use Ctrl+L-click to select the box, apart 
from its label, which you're going to keep. Delete the selected box.


5. CHECK TO SEE THAT "AUTOMATIC WIZARD" IS ON. (OK, I'm only 
approximating its name, 'cause I don't really know what it is.) You 
should have the "Form Controls" tool bar visible on the left side of 
your form designer window. (If it isn't, activate it through View > 
Toolbars.) Second icon from the bottom, you'll see a magic wand (I 
promised you relational database magic, right?), or maybe it's just a 
road flare. In any case, it should be depressed. When it is, and you 
create a list box, you'll get some wonderful help, and all your misery 
will cease. Believe me, I know.


6. CREATE A LIST BOX. Seven icons up from the bottom, on the same 
toolbar, is the list box icon. Click it, then move your mouse pointer 
into some blank area of your form. Click and move the mouse diagonally 
down, to make a box. Don't worry about it's shape, as it's not yet 
important. The wizard will appear, and THAT is. Using it, you will 
quickly and painless do 3 critical things:

a. Pick the table that will provide list box contents.
b. Pick the field to appear in the list box.
c. Link [a] the field in the main record that is to hold the key of 
the record in th

Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Stephan Zietsman  writes:

> But now, copy and paste every second or third word from 3 or 4
> paragraphs.  Now you need to do 100 or so paste specials, then 1 or 2
> extra mouse clicks make it fairly tedious.  From what I read, it seems
> that lee is copying and pasting a few words at a time, but it is done
> quite frequently.  So in lee's case, he would probably prefer
> something else.

exactly

> And it looks like he found a solution that works for
> him.

I haven´t really tried it yet. The button in the toolbar does what it´s
supposed to do, and I´m sure it´ll save me a lot of work since I won´t
have to type anymore.

> lee,
> I think it should be possible to assign a short-cut key to the icon
> you created.  As you probably don't want a keyboard button, maybe you
> can try to assign it to the middle mouse button?  Just a thought, I
> could be wrong.

That would be nice. Is it at all possible to assign something to mouse
buttons in LO?

Even with that, there´s still the problem that the text would be
inserted where the mouse pointer happens to be rather than where the
cursor is. Any idea how to fix that?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Stephan Zietsman  writes:

> Stephan Zietsman wrote:
>> So in lee's case, he would probably prefer
>> something else.  And it looks like he found a solution that works for
>> him.
>
> Sorry, lee.  I assumed your gender (by saying "he" and "him"), which
> is generally considered bad etiquette.  I apologise.

Np, "he" is fine :)

> lee wrote:
>> Hm. Perhaps I can find a way to put an icon into the toolbar that pastes
>> unformatted text? ... YES! I just did :) It´s not an icon, it makes a
>> big field in the toolbar, labled "Unformatierten Text einfügen" ("insert
>> unformatted text"). That makes a nicely big field easy enough to click
>> :) I´ll use that now.
>
> How did you create an icon like that?  At first I thought it should be
> fairly easy, but when I tried, I couldn't find a way.

Dunno, I changed the toolbar by adding the function to it. The toolbar
flickered, so I knew something changed. Yet I couldn´t find an icon for
it, so I went back to modifying the toolbar and disabled one or two
other functions before it occured to me that I better switch "paste
unformatted text" on and off while looking at the toolbar. Finally I
noticed it´s there as a field with a text label. Now I can only hope
it´s not going to be replaced by some icon automagically ...

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[libreoffice-users] Linux synonem and language tool

2011-06-21 Thread Asterix

Hallo, does anyone know why Libreoffice on Linux does not have the
spellchecker nor the synonym function enabled? Also, will future releases
have the pagination and language tool add-ons installed by default as the
3.3.3 version of windows has?  

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: General input/output error when saving to network drive

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi All.

On 18/06/11 5:04 AM, planas wrote:

Hi Steve and Wayne

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:07 -0700, Wayne Stidolph wrote:

I see the same "General-on save/nothing on open" behavior with LO3.4
trying to directly read/write to a Synology NAS:

* Fedora 14 64-bit, wired connection
* Fedora 15 32-bit, wireless connection

Double-clicking on the remote ODT file from Nautilous works - the doc
opens in LO. And, changing the doc so opened and saving it from inside
LO works fine - the doc on the NAS is updated (and verified by opening
it from the other machine).

It appears that the commands from LO are not properly passed or
interpreted by the OS.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Steve Edmonds
wrote:

On 17/06/11 3:51 PM, protonpusher wrote:

Another update. First off, in response to Jean-Francois, I checked, and
there
are no special characters in the share name or server name.

I also have some more test results. Using two computers (Old Toshiba
Satellite, and desktop) I ran the Live cd for both Ubuntu 10.10 (has OOo),
and Ubuntu 11.04 (has LO). The results are not surprising.

On both machines Ubuntu 11.04/LO, LO was unable to save to the network
share, and unable to open files on the network share through LO using the
save and open commands. Opening files does nothing, saving files produces
the error listed above.

On both machines Ubuntu 10.10/OOo worked just fine. I could open and save
files just fine to the network with no problem.

For what it is worth, to mount the network share I use Nautilus. I go to
Network, find the network drive (MYBOOKLIVE), and open it. It has several
shares, and I double click to open one, and the share then appears on the
desktop. The share is also then available on the list of places I can open
and save to from within LO (it just fails to actually open or save)

At this point I am sort of stumped. It does seem like a bug though.

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Hi. Run the live CD of Ubuntu 10.10 and install LO. This will then tell you
if it is Ubuntu related or LO related.
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I have filed a bug report about this behavior at https:\
\bugs.freedesktop.org bug number 38419. I reference this thread.

As far as I know this has only occurred with Linux.

This seems like ground hog day. I am sure I have been through this all a
while back with OOO when I reported a similar (the same) bug. If you
search way back in the archives it should be found, but don't know what
the fix was.

I have started to add to the bug report what I find and what jogs my memory.

The problem is not evident on OSX with LO 3.4.0 or on Suse 11.0 + LO
3.3.2 using konqueror.

It is evident with Suse 11.3 + LO 3.?? (have to check again) with
Dolphin. There is an error message when I save as from LO, I will check
again tomorrow when I boot my draftsman off his machine, something along
the lines of "the file can only be saved to a local drive".

From recollection last time it happened when Linux distros went from
the smb driver to the cifs driver. Konqueror stayed with the SMB code
and Dolphin may have changed. There was some sort of issue. I mount most
of my smb storage (Nas units) at login so the storage share appears in
the local file system.

I suspect something changed in Ubuntu from 10. to 11. and LO needs to
change to accommodate this.

May be related to;
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1166611
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31490
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/486443
and this which may not be quite the same thing.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/158362

steve

Re: [libreoffice-users] How to do this header bar

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Stanton

> The "centered" in "centered tab" is about how text is aligned at the
> tab, not about the tab position in the page -- you can have a centered
> tab 2cm from the left margin.

I'm sorry, I still don't really understand that.  Do you mean that text 
"at" that tab stop ought to be positioned so that the tab is in the centre 
of it?  That doesn't look like what's happening for me, but I don't know 
what else it could be

Best regards
Mark Stanton
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to do this header bar

Hi :)
Yes, the tab stops justify text on their own line and that line has nothing to 
do with the page as a whole.  You could have a left justified tab-stop at 3/4 
across the page to put your own address at the top of a letter neatly (i use a 
2col, 1row table but it could be done with a tab-stop).  


If you click the backward P on the toolbar then you might see that some spaces 
are messing things up slightly?
Regards from
Tom :)






From: Mark Stanton 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 11:15:56
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to do this header bar

> The "centered" in "centered tab" is about how text is aligned at the
> tab, not about the tab position in the page -- you can have a centered
> tab 2cm from the left margin.

I'm sorry, I still don't really understand that.  Do you mean that text 
"at" that tab stop ought to be positioned so that the tab is in the centre 
of it?  That doesn't look like what's happening for me, but I don't know 
what else it could be

Best regards
Mark Stanton
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Re: [libreoffice-users] List box not updating field with bound value

Hi :)
So, you have managed to solve the problem and got it all working?  I think the 
word is "triumphal" rather than "sad"?

Regards and apols from
Tom :)





From: Tom Cloyd 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 9:59:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] List box not updating field with bound value

Arrrgh! What a long, sad march through the wilderness this has been. Following 
what seemed like a most reasonable suggestion (which I wouldn't have needed had 
I been less exhausted when I posted originally),  I went searching in the OO 
forum archive (well, using Google, to be truthful, which isn't quite the best 
way, but I'm in a hurry) to find out why my list boxes weren't working, and 
what 
I could do to fix them.

In short, there's a lot of smoke out there, but damn little fire. Theorists 
abound, and some folks definitely found the long way round the mountain (and 
lost ME in the process). I just wanted to build a fire and cook some supper. 
More particularly, I wanted to place a number in an integer field in my main 
table which could be linked to a key in another table so that a data field in 
the record with the matching key can be made to appear in the main record, 
using 
relational database magic. Maybe one can do all sorts of other things with list 
boxes, but I'm not interested. I'm just trying to build a form that uses a 
table 
relation locate the value I want for my main table record, and put that value's 
key into a field in the main record. This is a basic, routine thing one does 
with relational databases. Because I do it somewhat less than daily, I need 
written instructions to keep me from shooting my foot.

Here's where you won't find out how to do it - the " Combo Box/List Box Wizard" 
article in the LO help file. I read that thing 3 times, and I've used list 
boxes 
in MS Access for years, but I still don't know what they're talking about. For 
technical writing real people can use, this one gets a "D'. My despair 
increased 
perceptibly after my encounter with this disastrous article.

I'll skip additional recounting of the misery I encountered trying to find some 
straightforward instructions about how to do what I wanted to do. Instead, I'll 
provide some:

GOAL: Using a form which has text boxes linked to fields in your main table, 
you 
want to be able to select values for some of the fields, using a drop down list 
box. The value selected will be placed in the main table indirectly, using a 
reference to another table which contains the possibilities available for the 
main table field. This reference is, of course, a record key field. Using this 
indirect reference, we keep the database "normal", which helps to minimize data 
entry error (which makes data retrieval harder, when it occurs).

DO THIS:

1. CREATE VIEWS. You will using a main table and one or more secondary tables, 
with the latter providing the list contents for the list box controls you'll be 
setting up in your main table. Since table field names aren't always 
human-friendly, and in any case may need to be changed in the future, create a 
view for each table, such that those fields which need them have "aliases" to 
make field labels more human-friendly (understandable). Since you're going to 
use view, and not tables, should you need to change these labels in the future, 
you need do it only once - in the view, rather than in each table in which the 
field appears.

2. CREATE A BASIC FORM. Use the form wizard to quickly make a form containing 
the fields from your main table which you care about. Use any of the templates 
you wish, as long as the result is that the desired record fields for a single 
record appear on the form. (This is the quick way to get things going.)

3. LOCATE THE FIELDS OF INTEREST. These would be those that at this point are 
text boxes linked to fields, but which you wish to be list boxes linked to main 
table fields. With EACH of them, execute the remaining steps in this list:

4. REMOVE THE TEXT BOX (ONLY). Use Ctrl+L-click to select the box, apart from 
its label, which you're going to keep. Delete the selected box.

5. CHECK TO SEE THAT "AUTOMATIC WIZARD" IS ON. (OK, I'm only approximating its 
name, 'cause I don't really know what it is.) You should have the "Form 
Controls" tool bar visible on the left side of your form designer window. (If 
it 
isn't, activate it through View > Toolbars.) Second icon from the bottom, 
you'll 
see a magic wand (I promised you relational database magic, right?), or maybe 
it's just a road flare. In any case, it should be depressed. When it is, and 
you 
create a list box, you'll get some wonderful help, and all your misery will 
cease. Believe me, I know.

6. CREATE A LIST BOX. Seven icons up from the bottom, on the same toolbar, is 
the list box icon. Click it, then move your mouse pointer into some blank area 
of your form. Click and move the mouse diagonally down, to make a box. Don't 
worr

Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Hi :)
It is frustrating when things don't work the way you want.  I think Word does 
exactly the same way, as does my rather bad email client.  It's been this way 
for over a decade so people are just used to reformatting text nearer the end 
of 
working on a document.  Certainly if you are touch-typing then it's easier to 
just type the headings and things in as standard text and then apply formatting 
throughout the document at the end.  

I think you make good points and maybe it is time to approach the devs to get a 
more rational and up-to-date set of defaults for the standard Paste?  Please 
post this as a wish-list item or feature request and post the url into here so 
that people can support your request.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
Regards from
Tom :)

From: lee 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 9:24:04
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Roxy Robinson  writes:

> As I have already stated several times, you practically already have what you 
>are 
>
> asking for by using the down arrow next to the Paste Icon on the toolbar! 2 
>clicks 
>
> instead of one.

You still don´t understand it. I would have to hit an arrow so tiny
that, as you may have noticed, people --- yourself included, IIRC ---
don´t even see it, which is straining and not anywhere near as fast and
simple as the system-wide standard way of pasting which involves only
two clicks and doesn´t require one to hit tiny arrows.

Your way is two clicks more, not one, btw.

Anyway, the button for pasting unformatted text in the toolbar makes it
easy now. That doesn´t change that having the application pick something
as default which is 99% of the time not what the users want and not
allowing the users to set another default is bad design. Since LO breaks
copying and pasting because there´s useful options involved with that,
it makes it neccessary to be able to to set a default so that copying
and pasting isn´t broken anymore and the additional options can still be
used. That´s obvious and not hard to understand at all.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Enabling Macros - misleading labelling

From: Stephan Zietsman 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 8:29:21
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Enabling Macros - misleading labelling

Roxy Robinson wrote:
> And just why would Macros be considered experimental features Macros have 
>been
> around forever.

Macros are not considered an experimental feature.  They work even if
"Enable experimental (unstable) features" is unticked.  However,
*recording* macros is not a fully polished feature, so it's considered
experimental.  There are other ways to create macros, such as opening
the Macro editer (ALT+F11) and typing code in Basic.

Regards

Hi :) 
I thought macros were written in Java or something not Basic??  I haven't tried 
so i don't know.  

Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux synonem and language tool

2011-06-21 Thread Simos Xenitellis

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Asterix  wrote:
> Hallo, does anyone know why Libreoffice on Linux does not have the
> spellchecker nor the synonym function enabled? Also, will future releases
> have the pagination and language tool add-ons installed by default as the
> 3.3.3 version of windows has?
>

Do you have a Linux distribution that already provides LibreOffice packages?
Which distribution is it?

If you install LibreOffice from the LibreOffice Linux packages, make
should you install
all the packages that are provided for your locale.

Simos

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

Hi :)
There is a lot of stuff that only devs would understand that would explain why 
OOo and LO are not easily able to sit on the same system.  Clashes seem to be 
reduced if you turn off the "Quick Start" but using the guides on how to 
install 
both is really the only answer for most of us.  

There have been a lot of clashes between LO and OOo installed on a single 
system.  Hence the page showing how to do it safely.  The LO code-base started 
off being identical to OOos and both still date back to the time they were 
called Star Office.  

Conjecture from non-devs (such as me) is unlikely to arrive at a reasonable 
explanation.  I gather that it is something that LO devs want to work on at 
some 
point but probably that will be much easier after code-clean-up is completed.  
I 
suspect it's likely to break a lot of compatibility with existing Extensions so 
it's not something to rush into.  

Regards from
Tom :)

From: aqualung 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 7:51:44
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

Jay Lozier wrote:
> 
> I have seen with other file types particularly audio and video files
> where you might have two or three players and the last one installed
> changes the file associations in the registry to it.
> 
Jay, that's right. A well-behaved program should inform the user during
installation what it's going to do and offer the option of taking over all
the file associations the program want, none of them, or individually choose
only some. 

VLC (VideoLanClient) does exactly that. Last time I installed VLC, the file
associations it wanted (all 98 of them!) appeared in a dialog box during
installation. They were sorted into categories and sub-categories and each
one of them could be selected or unselected individually. The only thing
missing was extensive help for users unsure of what choices to make.

However, in the case of LibO/OOo it might be better not to give too
fine-grained a choice to the user... or perhaps the ability to
select/unselect each file type should be hidden far down some "Advanced
Users Only" dialog box. Otherwise there will be lots of confused users
asking questions like, "When I double-click .odt files I get LibO Writer,
when I double click .ott files I get OOo Writer, what's wrong??" when the
answer will be, "It happens because of the choices you made during
installation."

Come to think, I suspect that's why the recommendation to uninstall OOo is
there: someone thought this would be a good idea to forestall requests for
assistance coming in. If I'm right about that, then it wasn't such a good
idea, more like throwing out the baby with the bathwater...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

2011-06-21 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

Hi :)
How good did it look in WordPad?  Was the formatting seem about right?  Did you 
have pictures or text-boxes in the file that were in about the right place in 
WordPad?  


I have only ever used WordPad as a slightly inadequate text-editor but the 
problems i have with it are because it's really a word-processor.  If it handle 
odt well then it might open up opportunities to get odf files into Word with a 
lot less hassle.  At the moment i have to set various options in 

Tools - Options
such as downgrading to the ODF 1.1 format that is used by Word 2010.  Even then 
Word just doesn't have the sophisticated options for placing pictures in 
interesting ways.  If WordPad looks like it's worth exploring then that would 
be 
fantastic!

Regards from
Tom :)






From: Bazsl 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 20 June, 2011 0:34:32
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Double clicking .ODT file opens it in WordPad!

I uninstalled Open Office and installed LibreOffice. Now if I click on a .ODT
file it opens in WordPad instead of Writer. How can I easily fix this for
all LibreOffice apps on Win7 Pro 64 bit? Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download


On 06/21/2011 01:19 AM, planas wrote:

Earl

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:16 -0700, Earl Melton wrote:


I used Revo Uninstaller to remove my 3.2 (or was it 3.3.2?) on Win-7. It  hung
with the progress bar at about 80% of completion for over two  hours, never
moving further. In the selection window (similar to Control  Panel Add/Remove
window), I saw that I had told it to uninstall the  main program and that the
Help module (or whatever it was called) had  not started. On a whim, I started
another instance of RU and told it to  uninstall the help section. I chose the
slowest, most thorough number 4  setting for both uninstalls. Long story short
-- it then completely  uninstalled both 'halves' in about a minute and I'm ready
to DL the  3.3.3 final and install it.


Don't know if this'll help anyone else, but it [apparently] needs to remove the
help files first. Hopefully the new install will  go smoothly. I have never
experienced a problem installing either OOo or my first shot at LibO.
  --
I'm so busy, I don't know whether I found a rope or lost my horse!
  <><  Earl

--


Thanks


Thanks for the info though.  If I have any problems with friends' 
computer with Win-7 and LO installs, I will remember your "trick".


I do not use Win-7, so this may be a stupid question.  So is "Revo 
Uninstaller" the replacement for add/remove programs in the XP and Vista 
Control Panel?  Or is it some other uninstall program that can be used?


Since I never had any real install issues with OOo or LO, except one OOo 
version where the JRE bombed out every time, so I never had to use an 
uninstall program to remove OOo or LO on a Windows computer.  Actually I 
had to do that with "beta" and "RC#" version, but that does not count.


The error dialogs came up with 3.3.3 on Vista, but they were talking 
about .NET issues and by saying "OK" or "YES", the install went though fine.


Now on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, I sometimes have to do a "purge" for versions, 
but that is issues on my system, not LibreOffice issues.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to do this header bar

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Stanton

Thanks Tom, I do understand tabs, but typewriters didn't have centre 
tabs ( ;-) ) so those have still got me a bit confused.

Nope, no extra spaces or anything messing things up.  I've played 
with it extensively (in case you've got me wrong, I've been a 
professional programmer for nearly thirty years) and I can get it to 
do, mostly, what I want, but it still seems (to me) that it's not 
doing what I'd expect the name to suggest.

Mark Stanton
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

2011-06-21 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


On 06/21/2011 02:51 AM, aqualung wrote:

Jay Lozier wrote:

I have seen with other file types particularly audio and video files
where you might have two or three players and the last one installed
changes the file associations in the registry to it.


Jay, that's right. A well-behaved program should inform the user during
installation what it's going to do and offer the option of taking over all
the file associations the program want, none of them, or individually choose
only some.

VLC (VideoLanClient) does exactly that. Last time I installed VLC, the file
associations it wanted (all 98 of them!) appeared in a dialog box during
installation. They were sorted into categories and sub-categories and each
one of them could be selected or unselected individually. The only thing
missing was extensive help for users unsure of what choices to make.

However, in the case of LibO/OOo it might be better not to give too
fine-grained a choice to the user... or perhaps the ability to
select/unselect each file type should be hidden far down some "Advanced
Users Only" dialog box. Otherwise there will be lots of confused users
asking questions like, "When I double-click .odt files I get LibO Writer,
when I double click .ott files I get OOo Writer, what's wrong??" when the
answer will be, "It happens because of the choices you made during
installation."

Come to think, I suspect that's why the recommendation to uninstall OOo is
there: someone thought this would be a good idea to forestall requests for
assistance coming in. If I'm right about that, then it wasn't such a good
idea, more like throwing out the baby with the bathwater...
When I installed 3.3.3 on Vista, I was asked about assigning the Word, 
Excel, and PowerPoint files to LibreOffice.


Are you saying that you want to have a "routine" that asks if you want 
LibreOffice to be your default office package for the ODF file formats, 
along with the MS Office file formats?  Just like Firefox asks about 
being the default web browser?


I know that, in XP and Vista, you can right click on a file and assign a 
software package to that file extension, but showing extension is turned 
off by default.  So if you have installed OOo and then install 
LibreOffice, you want to have a choice whether or not you want 
LibreOffice to take over being the default office package to use the 
associated file formats.


Would be interesting to see that, but how many "real world" users would 
have both OOo and LibreOffice on the same computer?


Yet, the concept of asking if you want LibreOffice to be your default 
package, with all the file associations, might be a good idea.




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[libreoffice-users] Regular expressions end of line

2011-06-21 Thread gymka

hello, i can't handle regular expressions. in find i write 
"w(ord|riter)" in replace "x$1" everything works ok, it replaces like i 
want "word" replaces with "xord" and "writer" replaces with "xriter", 
but if i write "w(ord\>|riter\>)" it replaces "word" with "x$1" and not 
with "xord" there is my error? i want that find would find "word" but 
not "itsnotworditstrash"



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

2011-06-21 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

Hi :)
The "Revo Uninstaller" is a 3rd party app.  It has nothing to do with 
Microsoft, 
TDF, Oracle nor Apache.  I don't know if it's OpenSource or what or who does 
own 
it or why they make it.  If MS ere capable of making something this good then i 
suspect they would be making a lot of fuss about it.  I haven't used it so i 
don't know if it's as good as people say.

The official Microsoft nearest equivalent is their "Add/Remove Programs" (which 
doesn't add programs btw (a tangent)) and also doesn't seem to un-install 
programs particularly well either imo.  There are lots of 3rd party apps that 
claim to be able to clean up the registry but they usually turn out to be 
malware.  Unlike those Revo looks like an excellent product and apparently does 
more than just deal with registry clutter.  

Regards form
Tom :)

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 14:40:28
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

On 06/21/2011 01:19 AM, planas wrote:
> Earl
> 
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:16 -0700, Earl Melton wrote:
> 
>> I used Revo Uninstaller to remove my 3.2 (or was it 3.3.2?) on Win-7. It  
hung
>> with the progress bar at about 80% of completion for over two  hours, never
>> moving further. In the selection window (similar to Control  Panel Add/Remove
>> window), I saw that I had told it to uninstall the  main program and that the
>> Help module (or whatever it was called) had  not started. On a whim, I 
started
>> another instance of RU and told it to  uninstall the help section. I chose 
the
>> slowest, most thorough number 4  setting for both uninstalls. Long story 
short
>> -- it then completely  uninstalled both 'halves' in about a minute and I'm 
>>ready
>> to DL the  3.3.3 final and install it.
>> 
>> 
>> Don't know if this'll help anyone else, but it [apparently] needs to remove 
>the
>> help files first. Hopefully the new install will  go smoothly. I have never
>> experienced a problem installing either OOo or my first shot at LibO.
>>   --
>> I'm so busy, I don't know whether I found a rope or lost my horse!
>>   <><  Earl
>> 
>> --
>> 
> Thanks

Thanks for the info though.  If I have any problems with friends' computer with 
Win-7 and LO installs, I will remember your "trick".

I do not use Win-7, so this may be a stupid question.  So is "Revo Uninstaller" 
the replacement for add/remove programs in the XP and Vista Control Panel?  Or 
is it some other uninstall program that can be used?

Since I never had any real install issues with OOo or LO, except one OOo 
version 
where the JRE bombed out every time, so I never had to use an uninstall program 
to remove OOo or LO on a Windows computer.  Actually I had to do that with 
"beta" and "RC#" version, but that does not count.

The error dialogs came up with 3.3.3 on Vista, but they were talking about .NET 
issues and by saying "OK" or "YES", the install went though fine.

Now on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, I sometimes have to do a "purge" for versions, but 
that 
is issues on my system, not LibreOffice issues.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux synonem and language tool


On 06/21/2011 05:43 AM, Asterix wrote:

Hallo, does anyone know why Libreoffice on Linux does not have the
spellchecker nor the synonym function enabled? Also, will future releases
have the pagination and language tool add-ons installed by default as the
3.3.3 version of windows has?

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Which Linux are you using?  Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc.?
Which spellchecker or synonym functions?

I know that when I installed LibreOffice, under "Tools>Options>Language 
Settings>Writing Aids", Hunspell SpellChecker was checked.  Now I do not 
remember seeing any "synonym function" in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but that 
would be nice one to have.


Could you tell me where you got that "synonym function"?  I never seen 
one on Ubuntu before.









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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

2011-06-21 Thread David B Teague sr


On 6/21/2011 9:40 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:

On 06/21/2011 01:19 AM, planas wrote:

Earl

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:16 -0700, Earl Melton wrote:

I used Revo Uninstaller to remove my 3.2 (or was it 3.3.2?) on 
Win-7. It  hung
with the progress bar at about 80% of completion for over two  
hours, never
moving further. In the selection window (similar to Control  Panel 
Add/Remove
window), I saw that I had told it to uninstall the  main program and 
that the
Help module (or whatever it was called) had  not started. On a whim, 
I started
another instance of RU and told it to  uninstall the help section. I 
chose the
slowest, most thorough number 4  setting for both uninstalls. Long 
story short
-- it then completely  uninstalled both 'halves' in about a minute 
and I'm ready

to DL the  3.3.3 final and install it.


Don't know if this'll help anyone else, but it [apparently] needs to 
remove the
help files first. Hopefully the new install will  go smoothly. I 
have never

experienced a problem installing either OOo or my first shot at LibO.
  --
I'm so busy, I don't know whether I found a rope or lost my horse!
<><  Earl

--


Thanks


Thanks for the info though.  If I have any problems with friends' 
computer with Win-7 and LO installs, I will remember your "trick".


I do not use Win-7, so this may be a stupid question.  So is "Revo 
Uninstaller" the replacement for add/remove programs in the XP and 
Vista Control Panel?  Or is it some other uninstall program that can 
be used?



I'll remember the help files issue, and thanks for that.

Question: Why did you choose Revo rather than to use the W7 add/remove 
application in the control panel? I have used W7's add/remove only once, 
for another application (that didn't work as advertised) and that worked 
fine.


Is there some LO quirk that requires a separate removal program beyond 
W7's native add/remove?


I use W7 64 bit Home Premium with AMD quad core processor, 4 GB RAM, 
SATA disk.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

2011-06-21 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

Hi :)
I think it would be better if it was easy for people to install LibreOffice 
alongside "whatever they use now" so that they can have a choice of using 
either.  Then they can keep using "whatever they use now" when they have 
short-deadlines or things that need to be rushed through.  That way they can 
explore using LO and recommend it to friends and colleagues to try out without 
forcing people to commit to something they might be uncertain about.

It already happens with MS Office, just not with OOo, yet.  At least not easily 
and predictably.  Most of the time it does work but in maybe 1% of cases, maybe 
10%, something goes a bit wonky.  

It seems the devs would like this to happen at some point in the future but i 
would have expected marketing to be even more keen. The users list is the least 
likely list to be able to do anything about it nor to understand the issues so 
discussion here is fairly pointless.

Regards from
Tom :)

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 14:49:40
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

On 06/21/2011 02:51 AM, aqualung wrote:
> Jay Lozier wrote:
>> I have seen with other file types particularly audio and video files
>> where you might have two or three players and the last one installed
>> changes the file associations in the registry to it.
>> 
> Jay, that's right. A well-behaved program should inform the user during
> installation what it's going to do and offer the option of taking over all
> the file associations the program want, none of them, or individually choose
> only some.
> 
> VLC (VideoLanClient) does exactly that. Last time I installed VLC, the file
> associations it wanted (all 98 of them!) appeared in a dialog box during
> installation. They were sorted into categories and sub-categories and each
> one of them could be selected or unselected individually. The only thing
> missing was extensive help for users unsure of what choices to make.
> 
> However, in the case of LibO/OOo it might be better not to give too
> fine-grained a choice to the user... or perhaps the ability to
> select/unselect each file type should be hidden far down some "Advanced
> Users Only" dialog box. Otherwise there will be lots of confused users
> asking questions like, "When I double-click .odt files I get LibO Writer,
> when I double click .ott files I get OOo Writer, what's wrong??" when the
> answer will be, "It happens because of the choices you made during
> installation."
> 
> Come to think, I suspect that's why the recommendation to uninstall OOo is
> there: someone thought this would be a good idea to forestall requests for
> assistance coming in. If I'm right about that, then it wasn't such a good
> idea, more like throwing out the baby with the bathwater...
When I installed 3.3.3 on Vista, I was asked about assigning the Word, Excel, 
and PowerPoint files to LibreOffice.

Are you saying that you want to have a "routine" that asks if you want 
LibreOffice to be your default office package for the ODF file formats, along 
with the MS Office file formats?  Just like Firefox asks about being the 
default 
web browser?

I know that, in XP and Vista, you can right click on a file and assign a 
software package to that file extension, but showing extension is turned off by 
default.  So if you have installed OOo and then install LibreOffice, you want 
to 
have a choice whether or not you want LibreOffice to take over being the 
default 
office package to use the associated file formats.

Would be interesting to see that, but how many "real world" users would have 
both OOo and LibreOffice on the same computer?

Yet, the concept of asking if you want LibreOffice to be your default package, 
with all the file associations, might be a good idea.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

2011-06-21 Thread Roxy Robinson

Well, the side by side installation, and running together, of OO & LO DOES have 
to do 
with having the correct settings in Windows. Since I have never run any of the 
Linux 
type OS's, I have not idea how those kind of things are accomplished, or if it 
even 
makes any difference. I DO know that a side by side installation installs and 
runs 
properly, both in Win7 and XP. I also have that on my XP desktop machine - 
actually 
my wife's "game" computer - and I use that machine from time to time as it is 
attached to my scanner.
And, it also appears from some of the posts here that there are some that might 
be 
having problems with their installations because they may not completely 
understand 
default programs, file associations, and the "open with" option.
And that is why I have said that maybe it would be better to have these lists 
separated by OS types - to see if problems are OS specific or not. That does 
make a 
difference.
Its apparent that not everyone even mentions what OS, or versions, they are 
running 
when they start posting problems. So this "side by side" issue, at least as far 
as I 
have seen where enough info has been given in the posts, could be more of an OS 
issue 
rather than an overall problem with either OO or LO. IMHO, that is something 
very 
important to the programmers.
Just my 2 cents worth. Roxy


Hi Roxy, Jay--

Thank you for your replies but please keep on topic.

This thread is not about how to change file associations in Windows or how
to set a particular program as the default in Windows. We all know how to do
this already (I hope) and we all accept that only one program will launch on
double-clicking files of a particular type. Rather, it's about the highly
unusual -- and puzzling -- warning in the LibO 3.3.3. release notes and the
recommendation to uninstall OpenOffice.org before installing LibreOffice.

>From your reports, I gather that it is possible, after all, to have both
these suites installed on a computer and working normally. Thanks, that is
valuable information. However, two questions remain: What about the note
from Jack that there could be a problem because the main executable in both
LibO and OOo is named soffice.exe: does action need to be taken in this
regard? And if not, can the warning to uninstall OOo before installing LibO
be removed?

At this point, it would be good if a developer or website maintainer with
insight on what is going on could chime in.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

2011-06-21 Thread Roxy Robinson

And, once again, you are talking about an issue that is more OS specific than 
it is 
OO or LO specific. You folks that use the Linux type OS's think you are the 
only 
people on earth, I suppose because both your OS and OO/LO are open source 
software. 
Therefore, you are better than, especially us that may be using Windows. I have 
been 
on other lists that are pretty much the same way.
I came to this list because I had 2 problems. I pretty much found the answer to 
one 
on my own while arguing with your folks here. The other problem I've 
encountered on 
my last 3 installs has been completely ignored. So I really don't care if you 
solve 
each other's problems or not. Quite often, you are comparing apples and 
oranges, and 
that is one issue I learned a very long time ago its best to completely ignore! 
What 
works in Windows, may not work, and will definitely work differently in Ubuntu, 
and 
vice versa. This part of the issue was just barely touched on by someone else 
in one 
of the first postings I saw after joining. I don't think I have seen another 
post 
from that person since.
So, goodbye!
Roxy




Even with that, there´s still the problem that the text would be
inserted where the mouse pointer happens to be rather than where the
cursor is. Any idea how to fix that?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

2011-06-21 Thread aqualung

krackedpress wrote:
> 
> Would be interesting to see that, but how many "real world" users would 
> have both OOo and LibreOffice on the same computer?
> 
Ahem... I am a real-world user, don't I count? 

I gave two reasons in my opening posting, (1) wanting to have one available
when the other fails or suffers from a limitation, and (2) providing support
to another user who only has one of them installed herself or himself. 

As I'm a volunteer on a user-to-user support forum for
LibreOffice/OpenOffice/etc., I expect more and more people coming in with
queries will have only LibreOffice, and I want to be able to reproduce their
problems on my machine... provided that I can have both LibO and OOo
installed safely!

Earlier, I was leaning towards filing a bug about this on bugzilla, now I'm
leaning instead to going over to the "Website" mailing list (or Nabble
section, for me) and posting a request to remove that "uninstall OOo first!"
notice/warning from the Release Notes.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

2011-06-21 Thread Asterix

I had Libreoffice installed in Ubuntu 11.04. Currently I am running Ubuntu
10.10. I have downloaded Libreoffice 3.3.3 from the LibreOffice website only
to find that the 3.3.3 Linux version of LibreOffice also do not have the
synonym and grammer function as the windows edition. Note that I use the
English Uk synonym and grammer function.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

2011-06-21 Thread Asterix


krackedpress wrote:
> 
> On 06/21/2011 05:43 AM, Asterix wrote:
>> Hallo, does anyone know why Libreoffice on Linux does not have the
>> spellchecker nor the synonym function enabled? Also, will future releases
>> have the pagination and language tool add-ons installed by default as the
>> 3.3.3 version of windows has?
>>
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> Which Linux are you using?  Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc.?
> Which spellchecker or synonym functions?
> 
> I know that when I installed LibreOffice, under "Tools>Options>Language 
> Settings>Writing Aids", Hunspell SpellChecker was checked.  Now I do not 
> remember seeing any "synonym function" in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but that 
> would be nice one to have.
> 
> Could you tell me where you got that "synonym function"?  I never seen 
> one on Ubuntu before.
> 
> Currently I am using Ubuntu 10.10 but I first noticed the problem in
> Ubuntu 11.04. LibreOffice 3.3.3 Windows edition has the language tool
> add-on included by default. The Language tool add-on is a grammer checker.
> For my purposes it makes distributinh LibreOffice much easier if ti is
> included by default. However, language tool does now work correctly in
> Libreoffice with the 3.3.3 version whereass I struggled to install it with
> previous versions.
> 
> Also, the windows edition of libreoffice has a synonym function if you
> right click on a word. I dont however now if it works for languages other
> than english. Also, LibreOffice 3.3.3 windows edition also includes the
> pagination add-on which provides the insert page number function into
> libreoffice.
> 
> I was wonderering when the Linux edition of libreoffice will have the same
> functionality as the windows edition because I realy do not know how to
> obtain the synonym function in Linux. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo


On 06/21/2011 11:01 AM, aqualung wrote:

krackedpress wrote:

Would be interesting to see that, but how many "real world" users would
have both OOo and LibreOffice on the same computer?


Ahem... I am a real-world user, don't I count?


Yes you do,
but I was just wondering how many people would have both installed, 
since we are trying to get all the OOo users to use LibreOffice.


Many users may wonder why they would need/want two office suites with 
the same abilities [generally] on their systems.  Some will want to try 
it before removing OOo, but I know of many people who would be very 
confused about having both on their computers.


I did notice some weird issues when I first tried LibreOffice 3.3.0 with 
OOo 3.2.x installed on my Ubuntu desktop.  So I removed OOo so those 
weird issues [which I do not remember the specifics except they were 
printing and loading issues] would not be happening any more.




I gave two reasons in my opening posting, (1) wanting to have one available
when the other fails or suffers from a limitation, and (2) providing support
to another user who only has one of them installed herself or himself.

As I'm a volunteer on a user-to-user support forum for
LibreOffice/OpenOffice/etc., I expect more and more people coming in with
queries will have only LibreOffice, and I want to be able to reproduce their
problems on my machine... provided that I can have both LibO and OOo
installed safely!

Earlier, I was leaning towards filing a bug about this on bugzilla, now I'm
leaning instead to going over to the "Website" mailing list (or Nabble
section, for me) and posting a request to remove that "uninstall OOo first!"
notice/warning from the Release Notes.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

2011-06-21 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 06/21/2011 11:24 AM, Asterix wrote:

I had Libreoffice installed in Ubuntu 11.04. Currently I am running Ubuntu
10.10. I have downloaded Libreoffice 3.3.3 from the LibreOffice website only
to find that the 3.3.3 Linux version of LibreOffice also do not have the
synonym and grammer function as the windows edition. Note that I use the
English Uk synonym and grammer function.

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If you are using the en_GB language packs, I wonder if those functions
are in those?
Using the standard English install - not packs added, I only have
Language and Writing Aids for options, and none have synonym options. I
do not have any language and writing extensions added to the Windows
version on my Vista laptop.

So since I so not see any synonym options with 3.3.3 [US]
English-default, it may be in the language pack. I just do not know how
you got those functions otherwise, since I do not have them in my
Windows version.

With my issues caused by 3 strokes, having a synonym checker could
really help for my typing.

I wonder if the en_GB dictionary on the NA list -
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/extensions.html#dict - would help any.
Also above that in the extension list there is Language Tools, Linguist,
Writer's Extras, Writer Tools, and After the Deadline Grammar Checker.
Not listed, but there is a Lightproof grammar checker as well. I do not
know why we did not list that one on the extension page for the NA DVD.

Re: [libreoffice-users] List box not updating field with bound value


You are, of course, entirely correct!

t.

On 06/21/2011 04:57 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
So, you have managed to solve the problem and got it all working?  I think the
word is "triumphal" rather than "sad"?

Regards and apols from
Tom :)





From: Tom Cloyd
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 9:59:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] List box not updating field with bound value

Arrrgh! What a long, sad march through the wilderness this has been. Following
what seemed like a most reasonable suggestion (which I wouldn't have needed had
I been less exhausted when I posted originally),  I went searching in the OO
forum archive (well, using Google, to be truthful, which isn't quite the best
way, but I'm in a hurry) to find out why my list boxes weren't working, and what
I could do to fix them.

In short, there's a lot of smoke out there, but damn little fire. Theorists
abound, and some folks definitely found the long way round the mountain (and
lost ME in the process). I just wanted to build a fire and cook some supper.
More particularly, I wanted to place a number in an integer field in my main
table which could be linked to a key in another table so that a data field in
the record with the matching key can be made to appear in the main record, using
relational database magic. Maybe one can do all sorts of other things with list
boxes, but I'm not interested. I'm just trying to build a form that uses a table
relation locate the value I want for my main table record, and put that value's
key into a field in the main record. This is a basic, routine thing one does
with relational databases. Because I do it somewhat less than daily, I need
written instructions to keep me from shooting my foot.

Here's where you won't find out how to do it - the " Combo Box/List Box Wizard"
article in the LO help file. I read that thing 3 times, and I've used list boxes
in MS Access for years, but I still don't know what they're talking about. For
technical writing real people can use, this one gets a "D'. My despair increased
perceptibly after my encounter with this disastrous article.

I'll skip additional recounting of the misery I encountered trying to find some
straightforward instructions about how to do what I wanted to do. Instead, I'll
provide some:

GOAL: Using a form which has text boxes linked to fields in your main table, you
want to be able to select values for some of the fields, using a drop down list
box. The value selected will be placed in the main table indirectly, using a
reference to another table which contains the possibilities available for the
main table field. This reference is, of course, a record key field. Using this
indirect reference, we keep the database "normal", which helps to minimize data
entry error (which makes data retrieval harder, when it occurs).

DO THIS:

1. CREATE VIEWS. You will using a main table and one or more secondary tables,
with the latter providing the list contents for the list box controls you'll be
setting up in your main table. Since table field names aren't always
human-friendly, and in any case may need to be changed in the future, create a
view for each table, such that those fields which need them have "aliases" to
make field labels more human-friendly (understandable). Since you're going to
use view, and not tables, should you need to change these labels in the future,
you need do it only once - in the view, rather than in each table in which the
field appears.

2. CREATE A BASIC FORM. Use the form wizard to quickly make a form containing
the fields from your main table which you care about. Use any of the templates
you wish, as long as the result is that the desired record fields for a single
record appear on the form. (This is the quick way to get things going.)

3. LOCATE THE FIELDS OF INTEREST. These would be those that at this point are
text boxes linked to fields, but which you wish to be list boxes linked to main
table fields. With EACH of them, execute the remaining steps in this list:

4. REMOVE THE TEXT BOX (ONLY). Use Ctrl+L-click to select the box, apart from
its label, which you're going to keep. Delete the selected box.

5. CHECK TO SEE THAT "AUTOMATIC WIZARD" IS ON. (OK, I'm only approximating its
name, 'cause I don't really know what it is.) You should have the "Form
Controls" tool bar visible on the left side of your form designer window. (If it
isn't, activate it through View>  Toolbars.) Second icon from the bottom, you'll
see a magic wand (I promised you relational database magic, right?), or maybe
it's just a road flare. In any case, it should be depressed. When it is, and you
create a list box, you'll get some wonderful help, and all your misery will
cease. Believe me, I know.

6. CREATE A LIST BOX. Seven icons up from the bottom, on the same toolbar, is
the list box icon. Click it, then move your mouse pointer into some blank area
of your form. Click and move the mouse diagonally down, t

Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

2011-06-21 Thread Earl Melton

No, no. It's an excellent free replacement and far superior to MS' Add/Remove, 
IMO. You can download it at the link below and install just like any other app. 
After clicking the link, be careful to not choose the 30-day free trial of the 
"Pro" version -- you don't really need it..well, unless you're needing to put 
your wallet on a diet. :-)  Instead, scroll to the bottom of the page and click 
on the FREE download button. Works great on Win-XP and Vista. If your OS is 
otherwise, check requirements at the link before downloading. HTH!

http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html

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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

On 06/21/2011 01:19 AM, planas wrote:
> Earl
> 
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:16 -0700, Earl Melton wrote:
> 
>> I used Revo Uninstaller to remove my 3.2 (or was it 3.3.2?) on Win-7. It  
hung
>> with the progress bar at about 80% of completion for over two  hours, never
>> moving further. In the selection window (similar to Control  Panel Add/Remove
>> window), I saw that I had told it to uninstall the  main program and that the
>> Help module (or whatever it was called) had  not started. On a whim, I 
started
>> another instance of RU and told it to  uninstall the help section. I chose 
the
>> slowest, most thorough number 4  setting for both uninstalls. Long story 
short
>> -- it then completely  uninstalled both 'halves' in about a minute and I'm 
>>ready
>> to DL the  3.3.3 final and install it.
>> 
>> 
>> Don't know if this'll help anyone else, but it [apparently] needs to remove 
>the
>> help files first. Hopefully the new install will  go smoothly. I have never
>> experienced a problem installing either OOo or my first shot at LibO.
>>   --
>> I'm so busy, I don't know whether I found a rope or lost my horse!
>>   <><  Earl
>> 
>> --
>> 
> Thanks

Thanks for the info though.  If I have any problems with friends' computer with 
Win-7 and LO installs, I will remember your "trick".

I do not use Win-7, so this may be a stupid question.  So is "Revo Uninstaller" 
the replacement for add/remove programs in the XP and Vista Control Panel?  Or 
is it some other uninstall program that can be used?

Since I never had any real install issues with OOo or LO, except one OOo 
version 
where the JRE bombed out every time, so I never had to use an uninstall program 
to remove OOo or LO on a Windows computer.  Actually I had to do that with 
"beta" and "RC#" version, but that does not count.

The error dialogs came up with 3.3.3 on Vista, but they were talking about .NET 
issues and by saying "OK" or "YES", the install went though fine.

Now on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, I sometimes have to do a "purge" for versions, but 
that 
is issues on my system, not LibreOffice issues.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

2011-06-21 Thread Earl Melton

In response to your first paragraph below: Remember the spaghetti & meatball 
commercial, Tom? "Try it, you'll like it." Actually, NTITOI, that may have been 
a commercial for Rolaids or some other OTC antacid. The first sentence in your 
second paragraph will tell you why you should try it.

BTW, I do agree with you about most "registry cleaners." Some are fair, but 
many 
more are junk.
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Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 8:53:43 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

Hi :)
The "Revo Uninstaller" is a 3rd party app.  It has nothing to do with 
Microsoft, 

TDF, Oracle nor Apache.  I don't know if it's OpenSource or what or who does 
own 

it or why they make it.  If MS ere capable of making something this good then i 
suspect they would be making a lot of fuss about it.  I haven't used it so i 
don't know if it's as good as people say.

The official Microsoft nearest equivalent is their "Add/Remove Programs" (which 
doesn't add programs btw (a tangent)) and also doesn't seem to un-install 
programs particularly well either imo.  There are lots of 3rd party apps that 
claim to be able to clean up the registry but they usually turn out to be 
malware.  Unlike those Revo looks like an excellent product and apparently does 
more than just deal with registry clutter.  

Regards form
Tom :)

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
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Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 14:40:28
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

On 06/21/2011 01:19 AM, planas wrote:
> Earl
> 
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:16 -0700, Earl Melton wrote:
> 
>> I used Revo Uninstaller to remove my 3.2 (or was it 3.3.2?) on Win-7. It  
hung
>> with the progress bar at about 80% of completion for over two  hours, never
>> moving further. In the selection window (similar to Control  Panel Add/Remove
>> window), I saw that I had told it to uninstall the  main program and that the
>> Help module (or whatever it was called) had  not started. On a whim, I 
started
>> another instance of RU and told it to  uninstall the help section. I chose 
the
>> slowest, most thorough number 4  setting for both uninstalls. Long story 
short
>> -- it then completely  uninstalled both 'halves' in about a minute and I'm 
>>ready
>> to DL the  3.3.3 final and install it.
>> 
>> 
>> Don't know if this'll help anyone else, but it [apparently] needs to remove 
>the
>> help files first. Hopefully the new install will  go smoothly. I have never
>> experienced a problem installing either OOo or my first shot at LibO.
>>   --
>> I'm so busy, I don't know whether I found a rope or lost my horse!
>>   <><  Earl
>> 
>> --
>> 
> Thanks

Thanks for the info though.  If I have any problems with friends' computer with 
Win-7 and LO installs, I will remember your "trick".

I do not use Win-7, so this may be a stupid question.  So is "Revo Uninstaller" 
the replacement for add/remove programs in the XP and Vista Control Panel?  Or 
is it some other uninstall program that can be used?

Since I never had any real install issues with OOo or LO, except one OOo 
version 

where the JRE bombed out every time, so I never had to use an uninstall program 
to remove OOo or LO on a Windows computer.  Actually I had to do that with 
"beta" and "RC#" version, but that does not count.

The error dialogs came up with 3.3.3 on Vista, but they were talking about .NET 
issues and by saying "OK" or "YES", the install went though fine.

Now on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, I sometimes have to do a "purge" for versions, but 
that 

is issues on my system, not LibreOffice issues.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

2011-06-21 Thread Johnny Rosenberg

Why is there a 3.3.3 when 3.4.0 was released a while ago? Apart from
the incredible amount of bugs in 3.4.0…


Regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Revo Uninstaller (was: LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download)

2011-06-21 Thread Earl Melton

To the owners and/or moderators: 

Hope it's okay to change the subject line as above. I was rebuked for totally 
"hijacking a thread" early on (perhaps that was on the OOo list, not sure now), 
but on many other lists, leaving the original subject intact as above is 
acceptable. It just seemed like the time may be right to do so here. Will 
apologize again if I'm wrong.


David,

FOA, I'm trimming all below except your query. When I first installed LibO, it 
was under Ubu 10.04 and things were a total mess. I had wanted to use it and 
keep OOo for comparison. HU-U-UGE mistake, at least in  my experience. I wound 
up completely removing both programs (which I knew that Linux/Ubuntu does a far 
better job of than Windoze), then reinstalled the same version of LibO, the 
same 
one I originally put on Win-7. Not wanting to experience the same problems on 
it, I used RU to make sure it cleaned all registry entries and other 
"leftovers" 
that Windows' Add/Remove doesn't remove so well. Perhaps unnecessary, but all's 
going well with 3.3.3 final now. And I'll [always] swear by RU. HTH!

 -- 
I'm so busy, I don't know whether I found a rope or lost my horse!
 <>< Earl 

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From: David B Teague sr 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 8:59:22 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download



I'll remember the help files issue, and thanks for that.

Question: Why did you choose Revo rather than to use the W7 add/remove 
application in the control panel? I have used W7's add/remove only once, for 
another application (that didn't work as advertised) and that worked fine.

Is there some LO quirk that requires a separate removal program beyond W7's 
native add/remove?

I use W7 64 bit Home Premium with AMD quad core processor, 4 GB RAM, SATA disk.

--David

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to do this header bar

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Edmonds




On 22/06/11 1:43 AM, Mark Stanton wrote:

Thanks Tom, I do understand tabs, but typewriters didn't have centre
tabs ( ;-) ) so those have still got me a bit confused.

Nope, no extra spaces or anything messing things up.  I've played
with it extensively (in case you've got me wrong, I've been a
professional programmer for nearly thirty years) and I can get it to
do, mostly, what I want, but it still seems (to me) that it's not
doing what I'd expect the name to suggest.

Mark Stanton
One small step for mankind...


Hi. Try placing a tab in the middle of a line on a blank page. A little 
'L' shows in the ruler at the top to indicate the tab stop. Right click 
on the 'L' and you should be able to change it to centered (an upside 
down T).
Now if you tab to that tab stop and type some text it centres about that 
upside down 'T'.

steve

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

On 06/21/2011 08:24 AM, Asterix wrote:
> I had Libreoffice installed in Ubuntu 11.04. Currently I am running Ubuntu
> 10.10. I have downloaded Libreoffice 3.3.3 from the LibreOffice website only
> to find that the 3.3.3 Linux version of LibreOffice also do not have the
> synonym and grammer function as the windows edition. Note that I use the
> English Uk synonym and grammer function.

According to Help; the synonym feature is provided by Thesaurus.

Oddly enough, on my linux system (Ubuntu) I have in both 3.3.2, and
3.4.1rc1 (us-english) I have 'OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus' installed.
However on Windows, LO 3.4.0 has none (OOo 3.3.0 & OOo 3.4.0-dev do). I
guess I'll need to download & install LO 3.4.1rc1 to see if it's
included in that version.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Edmonds




On 22/06/11 6:23 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 06/21/2011 08:24 AM, Asterix wrote:

I had Libreoffice installed in Ubuntu 11.04. Currently I am running Ubuntu
10.10. I have downloaded Libreoffice 3.3.3 from the LibreOffice website only
to find that the 3.3.3 Linux version of LibreOffice also do not have the
synonym and grammer function as the windows edition. Note that I use the
English Uk synonym and grammer function.

According to Help; the synonym feature is provided by Thesaurus.

Oddly enough, on my linux system (Ubuntu) I have in both 3.3.2, and
3.4.1rc1 (us-english) I have 'OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus' installed.
However on Windows, LO 3.4.0 has none (OOo 3.3.0&  OOo 3.4.0-dev do). I
guess I'll need to download&  install LO 3.4.1rc1 to see if it's
included in that version.


I just installed from Suse last night and noticed I had to manually 
select the thesaurus in Yast software tool. See if Ubuntu also lists it 
separately.

steve

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[libreoffice-users] Mac people

2011-06-21 Thread Ernest Kurtz

If there are any primarily Mac users on this list, please contact me off-list?  

My interest is almost exclusively in Writer, and because I work on several 
projects at the same time, I like to have available and open several different 
word processors.  When I've tried to run both OOo and LO at the same time, LO 
crashes.  It works well if I do not open OOo, though I keep OOo on my machine.  
No conflicts with NisusPro, MyWritings, GeoWord, Bean, but I would like to use 
OOo or NeoOffice. 

Thank you.
ernie kurtz
kurtz...@umich.edu 
MacBook 3.1
OSX 10.6.7
2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

On 06/21/2011 11:49 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> 
> On 22/06/11 6:23 AM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 06/21/2011 08:24 AM, Asterix wrote:
>>> I had Libreoffice installed in Ubuntu 11.04. Currently I am running Ubuntu
>>> 10.10. I have downloaded Libreoffice 3.3.3 from the LibreOffice website only
>>> to find that the 3.3.3 Linux version of LibreOffice also do not have the
>>> synonym and grammer function as the windows edition. Note that I use the
>>> English Uk synonym and grammer function.
>> According to Help; the synonym feature is provided by Thesaurus.
>>
>> Oddly enough, on my linux system (Ubuntu) I have in both 3.3.2, and
>> 3.4.1rc1 (us-english) I have 'OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus' installed.
>> However on Windows, LO 3.4.0 has none (OOo 3.3.0&  OOo 3.4.0-dev do). I
>> guess I'll need to download&  install LO 3.4.1rc1 to see if it's
>> included in that version.
>>
>>
> I just installed from Suse last night and noticed I had to manually 
> select the thesaurus in Yast software tool. See if Ubuntu also lists it 
> separately.
> steve
> 

Thanks, but these are installs from the LO site. The .debs are just fine
& do include the thesaurus on my linux installs. It's the Windows
install that doesn't. I mentioned that was/is odd, as that is the exact
opposite of what Asterix is seeing & he installed from the .debs as
well. I'm installing LO 3.4.1rc1 on WinXP now to see if there is any
difference in that version compared to the LO 3.4.0 (Windows).

On second thought - you might have a point re linux:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33476
[Missing libreoffice-thesaurus-* and libreoffice-hyphenation-*]



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[libreoffice-users] Re: General input/output error when saving to network drive

2011-06-21 Thread protonpusher

I think I have found a solution. Essentially it involves an alternative
method of mounting network shares, The details are 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288534 here .

I am now able to open and save with LO without any issues.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool







From: NoOp 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 20:01:57
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

On 06/21/2011 11:49 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> 
> 
> On 22/06/11 6:23 AM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 06/21/2011 08:24 AM, Asterix wrote:
>>> I had Libreoffice installed in Ubuntu 11.04. Currently I am running Ubuntu
>>> 10.10. I have downloaded Libreoffice 3.3.3 from the LibreOffice website only
>>> to find that the 3.3.3 Linux version of LibreOffice also do not have the
>>> synonym and grammer function as the windows edition. Note that I use the
>>> English Uk synonym and grammer function.
>> According to Help; the synonym feature is provided by Thesaurus.
>>
>> Oddly enough, on my linux system (Ubuntu) I have in both 3.3.2, and
>> 3.4.1rc1 (us-english) I have 'OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus' installed.
>> However on Windows, LO 3.4.0 has none (OOo 3.3.0&  OOo 3.4.0-dev do). I
>> guess I'll need to download&  install LO 3.4.1rc1 to see if it's
>> included in that version.
>>
>>
> I just installed from Suse last night and noticed I had to manually 
> select the thesaurus in Yast software tool. See if Ubuntu also lists it 
> separately.
> steve
> 

Thanks, but these are installs from the LO site. The .debs are just fine
& do include the thesaurus on my linux installs. It's the Windows
install that doesn't. I mentioned that was/is odd, as that is the exact
opposite of what Asterix is seeing & he installed from the .debs as
well. I'm installing LO 3.4.1rc1 on WinXP now to see if there is any
difference in that version compared to the LO 3.4.0 (Windows).

On second thought - you might have a point re linux:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33476
[Missing libreoffice-thesaurus-* and libreoffice-hyphenation-*]



Hi :)
If you want one that definitely does work then 3.3.3 is the best choice.  If 
you 
have time to check the 3.4.1rc1 then that's great :)
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-users] Enabling Macros - misleading labelling

2011-06-21 Thread Jean Hollis Weber

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:10 -0400, planas wrote:
> Roxy,
> 
> I thought the labeling strange the first time I heard of it. I would
> never have tried selecting the check box.
> 
> A more accurate description should be used.
> 
> I have submitted a bug report (38509) suggesting the label be changed.
> 
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 17:29 -0500, Roxy Robinson wrote:
> 
> > And just why would Macros be considered experimental features Macros 
> > have been 
> > around forever.
> > Roxy
> > 
> > 
> > To enable the macro recording you need to open TOOLS >> OPTIONS and in
> > the Options select LibreOffice then General. Tick the box "Enable
> > experimental (unstable) features" and macro recording will be enabled.
> > 
> > I am not sure why this is done unless it is a security feature.
> > 
> > --

I believe some things are "experimental" because the code for
implementing them is being rewritten or updated and they may not be
considered fully stable or finished or up to quality standards or
something. So even though macros have been around forever, the mechanism
for recording them (as opposed to writing them) might still be under
development. I don't know this for sure in the case of macros, but it
seems logical to me.

--Jean




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

On 06/21/2011 12:01 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
> 
> Thanks, but these are installs from the LO site. The .debs are just fine
> & do include the thesaurus on my linux installs. It's the Windows
> install that doesn't. I mentioned that was/is odd, as that is the exact
> opposite of what Asterix is seeing & he installed from the .debs as
> well. I'm installing LO 3.4.1rc1 on WinXP now to see if there is any
> difference in that version compared to the LO 3.4.0 (Windows).
...
Follow-up to my own:
Thesaurus _is_ in LO 3.4.1rc1 that I just installed on WinXP.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

On 06/21/2011 12:15 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 06/21/2011 12:01 PM, NoOp wrote:
> ...
>> 
>> Thanks, but these are installs from the LO site. The .debs are just fine
>> & do include the thesaurus on my linux installs. It's the Windows
>> install that doesn't. I mentioned that was/is odd, as that is the exact
>> opposite of what Asterix is seeing & he installed from the .debs as
>> well. I'm installing LO 3.4.1rc1 on WinXP now to see if there is any
>> difference in that version compared to the LO 3.4.0 (Windows).
> ...
> Follow-up to my own:
> Thesaurus _is_ in LO 3.4.1rc1 that I just installed on WinXP.

And on another WinXP virtual machine:
LibreOffice 3.4.0
OOO340m1 (Build:12)
Also includes the thesaurus. So I must have done a non standard install
on the other WinXP. I'd quietly jump back into my box now... sorry for
the noise.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

From: NoOp 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 20:22:04
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool

On 06/21/2011 12:15 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 06/21/2011 12:01 PM, NoOp wrote:
> ...
>> 
>> Thanks, but these are installs from the LO site. The .debs are just fine
>> & do include the thesaurus on my linux installs. It's the Windows
>> install that doesn't. I mentioned that was/is odd, as that is the exact
>> opposite of what Asterix is seeing & he installed from the .debs as
>> well. I'm installing LO 3.4.1rc1 on WinXP now to see if there is any
>> difference in that version compared to the LO 3.4.0 (Windows).
> ...
> Follow-up to my own:
> Thesaurus _is_ in LO 3.4.1rc1 that I just installed on WinXP.

And on another WinXP virtual machine:
LibreOffice 3.4.0
OOO340m1 (Build:12)
Also includes the thesaurus. So I must have done a non standard install
on the other WinXP. I'd quietly jump back into my box now... sorry for
the noise.

Hi :)
It does seem that something strange is going on.  Even tho it's rare it's still 
a worry.  At the moment it seems that the dictionary just magically vanishes 
for 
no reason on some machines!  That really can't be the case so i was hoping that 
you were onto something there.  

Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

Hi :)
The 3.3.x series is the stable series with a years worth of support.  It's for 
corporate use and for places where re-installs and bug-fixing is not really a 
good choice.  The 3.4.x series is the testing/development branch and tends to 
have extra functionality and new features.  


A lot of OpenSource projects work this way.  With the linux kernel it's the odd 
numbers that were going to be testing/development branch.  The 2.6.xx.whatever, 
is meant to be stable.  Ubuntu is a little different in having an "LTS" release 
every 2 years with 3 years support.  Debian has a stable and separate testing 
and development branches.  SliTaz call their's a "cooking" release.  RedHat use 
a separate distro, Fedora, for testing interesting ideas.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Johnny Rosenberg 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 18:04:43
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.3.3 is ready for download

Why is there a 3.3.3 when 3.4.0 was released a while ago? Apart from
the incredible amount of bugs in 3.4.0…


Regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Tom Davies  writes:

> I think you make good points and maybe it is time to approach the devs to get 
> a 
> more rational and up-to-date set of defaults for the standard Paste?  Please 
> post this as a wish-list item or feature request and post the url into here 
> so 
> that people can support your request.
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

Thanks, I´ll look into it and see if I can make a feature request. I
guess I should make two, one about setting a default pasting style and
another one about having the text inserted where the cursor is rather
than where the mouse pointer is ...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Roxy Robinson  writes:

> And, once again, you are talking about an issue that is more OS specific than 
> it is 
> OO or LO specific.

In which way? Can you specify a default pasting style with versions of
LO that run on Windows or MacOS? Do people using Windows or MacOS always
want to paste the way LO has made an unchangeable default and never
paste "unformatted text" or whatever other styles there are?

It doesn´t make any sense to me that the default pasting style (or
however you may call it) is unchangeable, and that doesn´t have anything
at all to do with what operating system I´m using.

> You folks that use the Linux type OS's think you are the only people
> on earth, I suppose because both your OS and OO/LO are open source
> software.

I could say the same about users of other OSs.

> Therefore, you are better than, especially us that may be using
> Windows.

Am I?

I can only speak for myself, and I don´t expect anyone to have the same
point of view I have. Nobody in this discussion has yet explained why
being able to set a default posting style would be a bad feature because
they are using a particular OS. If you think that is the case, you´re
welcome to explain it.

> I have been on other lists that are pretty much the same way.  I came
> to this list because I had 2 problems. I pretty much found the answer
> to one on my own while arguing with your folks here. The other problem
> I've encountered on my last 3 installs has been completely ignored. So
> I really don't care if you solve each other's problems or not. Quite
> often, you are comparing apples and oranges, and that is one issue I
> learned a very long time ago its best to completely ignore! What works
> in Windows, may not work, and will definitely work differently in
> Ubuntu, and vice versa. This part of the issue was just barely touched
> on by someone else in one of the first postings I saw after joining. I
> don't think I have seen another post from that person since.  So,
> goodbye!

It´s always a possibility that nobody has had the same problems you
encountered, so nobody was able to help. That a problem cannot be solved
with answeres from a mailing list happens to me as well. What do you
expect?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] *dbf files open in Calc & not Base

Hi :)
Calc is probably missing a lot of the information stored in dbf files surely?  
Relationships between tables, queries, sql statements, form, reports?

It might not be a bug but sounds well worth adding a feature request or 
wish-list item for opening dbfs in Base.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
I would just post a bug-report as normal but add "[wishlist]" into the 
subject-line.  The wiki page might have a better way of posting feature 
requests 
tho.
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)





From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sun, 19 June, 2011 0:17:17
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] *dbf files open in Calc & not Base

I don't think it is a bug.

Microsoft Excel opens (imports) *.dbf files too.

There is not much that Base opens directly.  Is there a jDBC connector for 
*.dbf 
that you could use?

Microsoft Access 2007 opens dBase III, IV, 5 I see (and it is the only one I 
have lying around that I can check).  And, much to my surprise, dBase is still 
in production, but I guess you don't want that product.

- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: John B [mailto:jo...@email2.me] 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 15:48
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] *dbf files open in Calc & not Base

Hi

The standard for many years for Database files was >> *.dbf (dBase) and 
I have many.

It is very strange that in LibreOffice this opens up in Calc and not 
Base, no matter how I try to force it.

Calc is simply not good enough to handle Database files.

This is also confirmed in the File Open lists:-  dBase(.dbf) is listed 
in Calc and it is absent from Base

Is this a bug - have I missed something ?

regards

John B

Windows XP Pro Sp3
LibreOffice 3.4


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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

2011-06-21 Thread planas

Stephan

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 10:17 +0200, Stephan Zietsman wrote:

> Stephan Zietsman wrote:
> > How did you create an icon like that?  At first I thought it should be
> > fairly easy, but when I tried, I couldn't find a way.
> 
> Never mind, I found it.  Right-click on any toolbar -> Customise
> toolbar... -> Toolbar tab -> Add... -> (Category) Edit -> (Commands)
> Paste Unformatted text -> Add -> OK
> 
> I can't find a way to assign middle mouse to it though, sorry.
> 
> Regards
> Stephan
> 

I would think using a mouse button would be OS and driver dependent. The
OS must have the correct drivers and the mouse must configured to allow
this possibly very selective use. The real problem is this use would
implemented in all software since one is reconfiguring the default
behavior of hardware not normally used for pasting. Reconfiguring the
commands on a keyboard or toolbars is much easier. Keyboards are capable
of a wide variety of key combinations and toolbars are only limited by
software design choices.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Roxy Robinson  writes:

> And, once again, you are talking about an issue that is more OS specific than 
> it is 
> OO or LO specific.

PS: What´s OS specific about the problem that when pasting with the
mouse, text is inserted where the mouse pointer happens to be rather
than where the cursor is? Is that different for diferent OSs? It doesn´t
even matter whether it´s different or not.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Hi :)
There are a lot of things that appear to work almost identically on all 
different OSes.  The OS is interesting to hear about and can sometimes help if 
drilling down into the causes or possible work-arounds.  Part of the aim of LO 
is to behave and look the same on Windows, Mac, Bsd or Gnu&Linux (presumably 
Gnu&Hurd too).  The Windows version is a little bit different from the one for 
the other platforms apparently so it's interesting to hear just how widespread 
a 
problem might be or how easy it might be to pinpoint and solve an issue.  

Regards from
Tom :)

From: lee 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 22:44:09
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Roxy Robinson  writes:

> And, once again, you are talking about an issue that is more OS specific than 
>it is 
>
> OO or LO specific.

PS: What´s OS specific about the problem that when pasting with the
mouse, text is inserted where the mouse pointer happens to be rather
than where the cursor is? Is that different for diferent OSs? It doesn´t
even matter whether it´s different or not.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

2011-06-21 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

Hi :)
You probably have other ideas about completely different issues that would be 
worth posting.  It is good to split things that might be able to be handled 
separately.  Some of the easier things can be done as an exercise by people 
learning how to program for LibreOffice.  It's up to the devs what they choose 
to work on but giving them some good ideas to work with can help them even if 
they don't work on some things straight-away.

I find that the keyboard combinations such as Ctrl V pastes where the cursor is 
but mouse clicks do it where the mouse is.  That doesn't really help if there 
is 
no key combination of course!  

Regards from
Tom :)

From: lee 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 21 June, 2011 22:13:40
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] default type and setting for pasting

Tom Davies  writes:

> I think you make good points and maybe it is time to approach the devs to get 
> a 
>
> more rational and up-to-date set of defaults for the standard Paste?  Please 
> post this as a wish-list item or feature request and post the url into here 
> so 

> that people can support your request.
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

Thanks, I´ll look into it and see if I can make a feature request. I
guess I should make two, one about setting a default pasting style and
another one about having the text inserted where the cursor is rather
than where the mouse pointer is ...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux synonem and language tool


On 06/21/2011 03:22 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 06/21/2011 12:15 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 06/21/2011 12:01 PM, NoOp wrote:
...

Thanks, but these are installs from the LO site. The .debs are just fine
&  do include the thesaurus on my linux installs. It's the Windows
install that doesn't. I mentioned that was/is odd, as that is the exact
opposite of what Asterix is seeing&  he installed from the .debs as
well. I'm installing LO 3.4.1rc1 on WinXP now to see if there is any
difference in that version compared to the LO 3.4.0 (Windows).

...
Follow-up to my own:
Thesaurus _is_ in LO 3.4.1rc1 that I just installed on WinXP.

And on another WinXP virtual machine:
LibreOffice 3.4.0
OOO340m1 (Build:12)
Also includes the thesaurus. So I must have done a non standard install
on the other WinXP. I'd quietly jump back into my box now... sorry for
the noise.
Yes, I see the OOo Thesaurus listed on my Ubuntu version for the LO site 
.debs.


OK I just checked 3.3.3 on my Vista laptop.  It also had the thesaurus 
under Tools>Language.


For both systems, I went from 3.3.2 to 3.3.3 and never installed 3.4.0 
or OOo after the computer was wiped and the OS was reinstalled.  So I 
have in on Windows, but the other person does not.


I do know that on my Ubuntu system I have

English spelling and hyphenation dictionary, and thesaurus dated 2010.03-16
Australian . .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
. . . . dated 2008.12.15
Canadian . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
. . . showing version 2.0.0


plus a few other English [several countries] dictionaries and lists 
[names, chemistry, medical, etc.] that have no thesaurus included.
I do not know if any of the three thesaurus listings have the OOo 
Thesaurus as part of it, but one of them, or all three could.


I also have;
Language Tool 1.2 [1.3 crashes],
Lightproof (en_US) 0.1 [this grammar checker will not stay checked],
Linguist 1.5,
Pagination 1.3.10,
Writer's Extras,
and Writer's Tools,
among other extensions I have added to my Ubuntu version. I have at 
least 100 .oxt extension [other than dictionaries] in my private list on 
my desktop's drive but I do not really know any more I should include 
for writing aids.


I would love to have one that would check the text and for the words 
that have several spelling [Aunt, ant, too, to, two, etc.] the system 
would let me know and ask which one I really meant to use.


Also it would be wonderful to have the spelling word option list add a 
very brief dictionary/thesaurus description to the words listed so you 
could make the right choice for words you are not sure which option is 
the correct one you need.


I wish the thesaurus was not buried several menus deep and have a 
toolbar button like the spellchecker does.  It would be more convenient 
to use that way.


[Was "convenient" the right word I wanted from the list offered in 
Thunderbird's spell checking system?  I had to enter it into LO and use 
its thesaurus option to see it meant "handy" so it was the right word.  
Be nice not to need the extra thesaurus lookup to find out.]









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[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

On 06/18/2011 02:52 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
> Hi ..,
> 
> aqualung wrote (18-06-11 06:12)
>> It would be nice to have the option of keeping OOo, for the odd case when
>> something that works in it is broken in LibreOffice, or when you need OOo
>> installed in order to provide help to another user who has OOo but not LibO.
> 
> I think that is a fair idea.
> 
>> The way to do this, I guess, would be to add an option in LibO's
>> installation, e.g.:
> 
> Thanks for your text. Too me, it looks good, though I am not interested 
> myself at all, since I use parallel installation all the time ;-)
> Could be handy for you too: 
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

This is the issue that I brought up in December on the LO dev list:

[Change executable/sh names]
Here we are on 3.4.rc1 and no further down the line.
You'll need to expand some of the posts in that thread to see that I
actually tested by changing the executables names & that works. Sample:

So the issue *still* remains that LO uses OOo .exe names. Does the same
in Linux as well:
$ ls /opt/libreoffice3.4/program
about.png oosplash.bin  services.rdb  soffice.bin  unopkg.bin
bootstraprc   pythonsetuprc   sofficercversionrc
fundamentalrc redirectrcshell spadmin
intro.png sbase simpress  swriter
kdefilepicker scalc smath unoinfo
libnpsoplugin.so  sdraw soffice   unopkg

When will LO stand on their own and change these?

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[libreoffice-users][windows] default type and setting for pasting

2011-06-21 Thread John B


Dear Roxy (if you are still there)


I hope this helps:-

on my System

I downloaded  MS's Optical Intellimouse program and installed (I have an 
MS intellimouse).


I am now able to select the default options for the middle button - I 
selected "paste (ctrl+v)"


To paste formatted text as copied, just press the wheel

To paste as unformatted text, I press the shift key and then the middle 
button (the wheel), up comes the special paste window box.


in Word chose "unformatted text" and in Calc untick all, excluding  text 
& numbers then press OK.


Now wherever the cursor is or cell selected,  it deposits the text at 
that point (not where the mouse is) in the format as indicated in the 
sheets default settings at the top of the page i.e. if the settings say 
[arial] [6]  - that's how the text is pasted at the cursor or in the cell.


It seems that it could be a mouse problem?

regards

John B
ms xp pro sp3
LO 3.4.0


On 21/06/2011 16:04, Roxy Robinson wrote:

Even with that, there´s still the problem that the text would be
inserted where the mouse pointer happens to be rather than where the
cursor is. Any idea how to fix that?



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[libreoffice-users] Base: invisible subform - what to do?

It's obvious that when initially creating a form you have the option of 
adding a subform, but what about later?


Where I come from (MSAcess) a subform is a control that goes on a main 
form. It is linked to a table that is linked to the main table. There is 
a subform control icon that can be clicked to cause the subform control 
to appear on the main form. Some properties twiddling and you're in 
business. Simple, obvious, and it works. In LO, things are considerably 
different, it appears.


I have a main form and I now want to add a subform to it. After two 
hours of frustration, I have managed to create a subform. This whole 
topic is given a minimal, rather confused treatment in the LO Help 
document, and none whatsoever in "Getting Started with LibreOffice 3.3". 
It seems that creating the subform is enough. Regrettably, I actually 
want to SEE and USE it. I cannot find any help on that part, and it 
isn't happening automatically.


In the LO Help document (F1), looking in the index under "subforms, 
description", then clicking Display, takes you to an article on Data 
(huh?). Well into the article, we're reading about master and slave 
fields. THEN, we come to "What is a subform?" This is nuts. Why take 
this up now, after having written about it for paragraphs? I don't see 
how this mess could have gotten through editing.


Well into this paragraph, I read "The user of your document will not see 
that a form has subforms. The user only sees a document in which data is 
entered or where existing data is displayed." This is more than nuts. 
Why have a subform then make it totally obscure? I can see this 
happening if your data source is a query which displays a one to one 
master-slave relationship, but what do we do with one-to-many relationships?


The remainder of this paragraph makes sense only if we are considering a 
one-to-one master-slave relationship. What do we do with multiple 
"slaves" (man, this terminology is grating on me... I want to free those 
slaves)?


What I NEED is a control that looks like a spreadsheet - multiple 
records (if they exist), with multiple fields. It will be linked to the 
main table, fields form which are already on my form. I can find NO way 
to create this, yet it as to has to be possible. This sort of thing is 
done all the time.


More specifically, since my main form's Form Navigator clearly SHOWS the 
subform, and I can display its properties (and thus verify that it's 
properly linked to its source table AND the main table, what I need to 
know is how to attach it to a control that I can SEE on the main form - 
and it need to be a "grid" control (capable of showing multiple records, 
all linked to the current main table record).


I'm absolutely baffled as to why this basic operation is so obscure with 
LO (or if it's not, why I cannot see how to do it!!). Main table - 
detail forms are basic, are then not?


Any help offered will be much appreciated.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: invisible subform - what to do?