[libreoffice-users] Delete Key Does Not Work in OS X

[Hal Vaughan]

I'm using LO version 3.4.0 on OS X (latest version of OS X 10.6.8)

I've switched from OOo to LO.  Under OOo, if I hit the DELETE key, it would 
delete the character in front of the cursor and the BACKSPACE key would delete 
the one behind the cursor.

Now, on LO, the BACKSPACE key works, but the DELETE key will not delete the 
next character.  I had to kill a definition for the key and it still won't 
delete the next character.

I've Googled, but not found anything helpful.

Any suggestions?


Thank you!



Hal
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[libreoffice-users] Image problems

[Twayne]

This should NOT be appearing on the moderator's desk any longer. Please 
alert me if it does.

XP SP3+, LO 3.3.3:

I thought I had tested enough to know that a long document with several 
images in it was safe to edit in LO now so today I dug into the process and 
started checking through everything. This particular chapter, 74 pages long, 
probably contans about 120 images. Mostly .jpg's. Image sizing and 
formatting was done long ago, as was the start of the original document.
   I opened the Word .doc file with LO, save it as .odt, closed Word and LO, 
then reopened the file in LO. The first think I had to do was go through an 
re-anchor all the images from character to paragraph. Some had moved a bit, 
not too badly, but images in tables were overlapping. falling out of the 
tables, etc. but it was manageable.
   Then on 47 of 74, everything went to hell on me. The images were all over 
the place and any mouse-work to try to reposition them resulted in a 
permanent scroll up or down, to the very end of the file. It became 
impossible to re-position an image in any way because the slightest hint of 
an up or down with the mouse resulted in the auto-scroll taking off on its 
own. It took several clicks to stop it prior to the end of the document and 
by that time I was many pages past the part of the document I was wanting to 
edit. It was not possible to do any further editing.
I DELETED the first 40 pages, leaving only 7 pages of the document in 
the file, and the problems did not go away. Although it doesn't run amuck 
with auto-scroll that way, images move and won't let you mouse them back 
sometimes, and in a table not until you physically also move the anchor by 
mouse to the cell you want the image in.

I can make either the .doc or .odt versions available should anyone want to 
see them. For me right now, I'm going to have to stick to Word to work on 
these files which is a big disappointment; there are several of them.
  Also please realize that these are all copyrighted material although the 
copyrights aren't in this chapter yet; they're contained in the Master 
Document which has not yet been assembled for the LO versions.

TIA,

Twayne`

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Using external addressbooks as a data source

[NoOp]

On 02/08/2011 10:20 AM, NoOp wrote:
> On 02/08/2011 06:37 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>> On 08/02/11 14:21, Luuk wrote:
>>> On 08-02-11 14:05, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
 Installed 3.3 on Ubuntu 10.04 using the Libreoffice repository.
 Going into File-Wizards-Address Data Source the ONLY thing that is
 selectable is "Other external Data Source" - there's NO option to
 select an email addressbook. The data sources pane shows Evolution - I
 don't use Evolution, I use Thunderbird.

 Surely this is a CRITICAL function that's either completely missing or
 broken?
 How do I connect to the TBird addressbook?


>>> What version of Thunderbird?
>> 
>> 3.1.7
>> 
>>> The option is also missing on my openSUSE11.1 system, which has
>>> Thunderbird 3.0.11
>>> But in my Win7 with Thunderbird 3.1.7 it is working.
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Yep - I seem to recall I've noticed that before - it's a Distro build 
>> problem.
>> 
> 
> It is. Here is the original Ubuntu bug that I filed back in 2007:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/93546
> 
> Thunderbird works in standard OOo & LibreOffice (linux 3.3.0 versions),
> however in OOo (and LO) there are still issues with using SeaMonkey
> address books, see:
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107809
> 
> Ubuntu LO 3.3.0 (Natty Alpha 11.04 - OOO330m19 Build6) is still missing
> the address books listed in 93546.
> 
> LO 3.3.0 (standard .deb installed on Ubuntu 10.10) has the same issues
> as 107809 - I reckon that they used the same code as OOo 3.3.0. But an
> LO dev is aware of the issue & hopefully working on it.

Seems to be working (partially) in LO 3.3.3 final. See:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32948

Please test (linux only) & add to the report if you can. This is IMO
quite serious & it isn't working at all in 3.4.x.




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RE: [libreoffice-users] How to save spreadsheet with frozen rows

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I've seen this too, but it doesn't seem to be reproducible.

Oh, and there it is again, gone again with a document I am maintaining on a 
project summary report.

One thing I notice: If I just restore the Frozen Pane setting and nothing else, 
when I close the document I am not invited to save changes.  So the Window 
Freeze by itself is not enough to cause the setting to be saved in the 
document.  

I made another change so that the document would Save, and it now comes back 
with the Window Freeze preserved.

I will watch to see if it goes away later on.

I am using LibreOffice 3.3.2 x86 on Windows 7 64-bit.  I also opened the 
newly-saved document via a shared folder in LibreOffice 3.4.0 x86 on Windows 
Vista and the Windows Freeze is preserved (also in Lotus Symphony 3 fixpack2 on 
the same platform).  

What version of LibreOffice are you using?  Are you losing the setting all of 
the time?

 - Dennis

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From: Tiggy22 [mailto:john.pickford...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 13:31
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] How to save spreadsheet with frozen rows

I have frozen rows in Calc to show only the first 2 rows as headers to the
columns so that I can input current data.  When I save the spreadsheet and
then reopen, the frozen rows  (column headers)  are no longer frozen.  How
can I save the 'frozen' rows each time.
Thank you

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[libreoffice-users] How to save spreadsheet with frozen rows

[Tiggy22]

I have frozen rows in Calc to show only the first 2 rows as headers to the
columns so that I can input current data.  When I save the spreadsheet and
then reopen, the frozen rows  (column headers)  are no longer frozen.  How
can I save the 'frozen' rows each time.
Thank you

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Import Filemaker .db_ file to LibreOffice Base WITHOUT using Filemaker to export first ??

[Angus McCallum]

Good idea, Tom. 

Once and done  thanks. -A 


On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:47 PM, TomW wrote:

> On 2011-07-02 15:14, Angus McCallum wrote:
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> I have a database in Filemaker Pro .db5 format.  It was created many years 
>> ago created in Filemaker Pro 5, which was a Mac OS 9 release that doesn't 
>> run on the computers I have now.  So I cannot use Filemaker to export the 
>> old .db5 file into an intermediate format that LibreOffice Base can read.
>> 
>> Is there a way to import Filemaker files directly into LibreOffice Base?  Or 
>> some cheap, relatively painless work-around?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>>   
> 
> 
> Angus:
> 
> Found this on the FileMaker website.
> 
> It is from a pdf of an older version, but still may applicable for your needs.
> 
> "If you don’t have a previous FileMaker Pro application with which to do the 
> conversion, you can download a trial version of FileMaker Pro 6 from 
> www.filemaker.com and use it to convert files."
> 
> 
> TomW
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Import Filemaker .db_ file to LibreOffice Base WITHOUT using Filemaker to export first ??

[TomW]

On 2011-07-02 15:14, Angus McCallum wrote:

Hello All.

I have a database in Filemaker Pro .db5 format.  It was created many years ago 
created in Filemaker Pro 5, which was a Mac OS 9 release that doesn't run on 
the computers I have now.  So I cannot use Filemaker to export the old .db5 
file into an intermediate format that LibreOffice Base can read.

Is there a way to import Filemaker files directly into LibreOffice Base?  Or 
some cheap, relatively painless work-around?

Thanks,
   



Angus:

Found this on the FileMaker website.

It is from a pdf of an older version, but still may applicable for your 
needs.


"If you don’t have a previous FileMaker Pro application with which to do 
the conversion, you can download a trial version of FileMaker Pro 6 from 
www.filemaker.com and use it to convert files."



TomW




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[libreoffice-users] Import Filemaker .db_ file to LibreOffice Base WITHOUT using Filemaker to export first ??

[Angus McCallum]

Hello All. 

I have a database in Filemaker Pro .db5 format.  It was created many years ago 
created in Filemaker Pro 5, which was a Mac OS 9 release that doesn't run on 
the computers I have now.  So I cannot use Filemaker to export the old .db5 
file into an intermediate format that LibreOffice Base can read. 

Is there a way to import Filemaker files directly into LibreOffice Base?  Or 
some cheap, relatively painless work-around? 

Thanks, 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer (strace included)

[NoOp]

On 07/02/2011 06:30 AM, Eric wrote:
...
> If you can try getting a backtrace, it'll probably be useful too.
> The problem is that for a complete, human-readable backtrace you need
> LibO debug packages.
> See:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport#How_to_get_backtrace_.28on_Linux.29I'm
> ok to make a backtrace, but where can I find the 
> libreoffice*-debuginfo packages (I'm on Ubuntu 11.04)?Regards,Eric

$ sudo apt-get install libreoffice-dbg

You might also want to add the uno symbols as well:

$ sudo apt-get install ure-dbg
$ sudo apt-get install uno-libs3-dbg



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice DOES NOT open .docx files

[upscope]

Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2011-07-01, mazallen wrote:
> 
>> When I downloaded LibreOffice 3.3.3 I was led to believe that "[LibreOffice]
>> Writer easily reads Microsoft Word documents, and you can also save your
>> work in Microsoft Word format, for sending to people still locked into
>> Microsoft products" and that "/LibreOffice can also open .docx files created
>> with Microsoft Office 2007 for Windows or Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac OS
>> X/."  This is not the case: I converted a pdf file to docx (on Adobe's
>> website) but LibreOffice crashes every time I try to open it -- can anyone
>> help (or is this merely a case of false advertisement on the part of
>> LibreOffice)?  
> 
> LibreOffice *does* have support for .docx, there's no false
> advertisement here.
> 
> Although this support is not complete, this just means some features
> won't be imported/recognized. It should definitely *not* crash.
> 
> You probably hit some bug. Does it happen only with that docx? Or
> converting other pdf also generates a .docx that crashes LibO?
> 
> To find out exactly what's happening, it'd be useful to have access to a
> sample .docx file that crashes LibO. 
> 
> 
> I confirm this one opens fine in 3.3.3, does it crash there?:
> http://tinyurl.com/libo-docx-sample
> 
> 
> Also, is this the conversion service you used?
> 
> https://www.acrobat.com/exportpdf/en/convert-pdf-to-word.html
> 
> Sadly it is paid, so I can't even generate a docx just to test.
> 
I just opened this successfully on LibreOffice 3.3.3.1 on openSUSE 11.4

Russ

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The MS formats; docX, doc and rtf are no better on any of those counts.  Plus, 
since MS are so secretive about the was they mis-handle them there is no way to 
implement them the same in non-MS software.  Stuff written in older versions of 
MS get messed up when read in newer versions.  There is no way that the 
situation will ever improve since it's one of the ways MS convinces people to 
buy their newer products.  


ODF is a complete contrast.  It's not used as a marketing ploy to increase 
profits.  It is comparatively easy for people to find the specs that are being 
used  and implement it properly.  It is easy to file bug-reports and make 
complaints or feature requests or get involved with developments.  


Regards from
Tom :)





From: Roland Hughes 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 2 July, 2011 15:28:09
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

Tom tom tom tom tom

The ODF spec is non-robust.  In truth, it is much like the current EPUB
spec, pathetic.  No two platforms have the same font set, nor do they
render them the same way.  WordPerfect fixed this years ago by expanding
their format to include full font information.  They had the same
rendering engine on multiple platforms, and yes, it actually rendered
the same way, not like that pathetic thing IBM is using for Symphony
now, which only works on Windows.

Until the ODF spec includes support for embedding all fonts used in the
document, AND A SINGLE RENDERING ENGINE WHICH WORKS THE SAME ON ALL
PLATFORMS COMPLETELY DIVORCED FROM CURRENT/LOCAL PRINTER SETTINGS, it's
not portable.

During the days of DOS, most fonts were provided by printers, not the OS
or the application.  Word processors like WordPerfect had to be tightly
coupled to the printer, especially the 24-pin dot matrix printers, in
order to create documents for lawyers (still WP's primary market.)  Once
networks were introduced things got hinky, but, most word processors
still have some switch somewhere, usually more than one, which turns on
enhanced screen formatting based upon current default printer.

I haven't went and looked for these switches in Libre Office, but will
be my last Mt. Dew they are there in the code.  I've seen the physical
evidence.  When I'm writing one of my geek books
(http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com) and decided to print out a
single page/chart to keep beside me while working, I print it on the old
T65 clunker on my desk.  The capabilities of this tiny HP OfficeJet are
no where near my default Optra S 1855 tank that I use for full book
printing.  All I have to do is print one page to this T65 and Libre
Office halts for a while, then you notice the text shift on the page and
that your page count is different.  

It's just &(^)(&)(8ing lovely.

There is nothing I would rather do in life than spend days fixing page
breaks I've already fixed N times before.




On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 14:01 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> Since we have no control over how MS mishandles their implementation of MS 
> formats it would surely be better to convince people to switch to ODF formats.
> 
> People are happy to download pdfs and then click on the button to download 
> the 

> latest pdf reader from Adobe.  We could be pushing the ODF formats in the 
> same 

> way and for very similar reasons, ie that documents don't get screwed-up when 
> everyone uses ODF.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: tracey002 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 20:59:54
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support
> 
> > They do not care if the "default" format is an open standard or a 
> > proprietary format.
> > MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of 
> > the older format out of luck. 
> You are right: User A just wants to send a document to User B without an 
> hassle (and vise versa).
> 
> Which is a good reason for Libre Office to do a better job at handling 
> MS docs than MS does.
> It would be noteworthy if the folks at MS Office Applications starting 
> to get concerned about the developments at Libre Office.
> Tracey
> 
> Jay Lozier [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 16:25 +0100, Mark Stanton wrote:
> >
> > > I don't (entirely) disagree with you on the dirty trick front.
> > > But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty
> > > trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool...
> > >
> > > Mark Stanton
> > > One small step for mankind...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Part of the "dirty tricks" come from not understanding your customers'
> > needs. Most office suite users are only interested in file formats so
> > they share documents with others. In fact they would rather have on
> > "default" format. They do not care if the "default" format is an open
> > standard or a proprietary format.
> >
> > MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of 

Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Impress - play/pause videos

[Nuno J. Silva]

On 2011-07-02, Aleksey wrote:

> Is there any way to play/pause video in Impress? If add video to the
> presentation it is played automatically until the end...

There are custom animations to start, end and pause media (under the
"Misc Effects" tab, after clickin in "Custom Animation" on the right and
then in "Add...").

I don't know if they do what you want, but maybe that's a place worth
looking.

You probably have to select the video, then add a custom animation (so
that the "effect" is associated to the video).

Sorry for not providing detailed instructions that work. I've never
added a movie to a LibO document, and either all the files I tested now
are incompatible or I built LibO without support for embedding movies.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

[Roland Hughes]

Tom tom tom tom tom

The ODF spec is non-robust.  In truth, it is much like the current EPUB
spec, pathetic.  No two platforms have the same font set, nor do they
render them the same way.  WordPerfect fixed this years ago by expanding
their format to include full font information.  They had the same
rendering engine on multiple platforms, and yes, it actually rendered
the same way, not like that pathetic thing IBM is using for Symphony
now, which only works on Windows.

Until the ODF spec includes support for embedding all fonts used in the
document, AND A SINGLE RENDERING ENGINE WHICH WORKS THE SAME ON ALL
PLATFORMS COMPLETELY DIVORCED FROM CURRENT/LOCAL PRINTER SETTINGS, it's
not portable.

During the days of DOS, most fonts were provided by printers, not the OS
or the application.  Word processors like WordPerfect had to be tightly
coupled to the printer, especially the 24-pin dot matrix printers, in
order to create documents for lawyers (still WP's primary market.)  Once
networks were introduced things got hinky, but, most word processors
still have some switch somewhere, usually more than one, which turns on
enhanced screen formatting based upon current default printer.

I haven't went and looked for these switches in Libre Office, but will
be my last Mt. Dew they are there in the code.  I've seen the physical
evidence.  When I'm writing one of my geek books
(http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com) and decided to print out a
single page/chart to keep beside me while working, I print it on the old
T65 clunker on my desk.  The capabilities of this tiny HP OfficeJet are
no where near my default Optra S 1855 tank that I use for full book
printing.  All I have to do is print one page to this T65 and Libre
Office halts for a while, then you notice the text shift on the page and
that your page count is different.  

It's just &(^)(&)(8ing lovely.

There is nothing I would rather do in life than spend days fixing page
breaks I've already fixed N times before.




On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 14:01 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> Since we have no control over how MS mishandles their implementation of MS 
> formats it would surely be better to convince people to switch to ODF formats.
> 
> People are happy to download pdfs and then click on the button to download 
> the 
> latest pdf reader from Adobe.  We could be pushing the ODF formats in the 
> same 
> way and for very similar reasons, ie that documents don't get screwed-up when 
> everyone uses ODF.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: tracey002 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 20:59:54
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support
> 
> > They do not care if the "default" format is an open standard or a 
> > proprietary format.
> > MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of 
> > the older format out of luck. 
> You are right: User A just wants to send a document to User B without an 
> hassle (and vise versa).
> 
> Which is a good reason for Libre Office to do a better job at handling 
> MS docs than MS does.
> It would be noteworthy if the folks at MS Office Applications starting 
> to get concerned about the developments at Libre Office.
> Tracey
> 
> Jay Lozier [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 16:25 +0100, Mark Stanton wrote:
> >
> > > I don't (entirely) disagree with you on the dirty trick front.
> > > But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty
> > > trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool...
> > >
> > > Mark Stanton
> > > One small step for mankind...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Part of the "dirty tricks" come from not understanding your customers'
> > needs. Most office suite users are only interested in file formats so
> > they share documents with others. In fact they would rather have on
> > "default" format. They do not care if the "default" format is an open
> > standard or a proprietary format.
> >
> > MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of the
> > older format out of luck.
> >
> > -- 
> > Jay Lozier
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Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 01/07/2011 17:42, John Thaden a écrit :


I neglected to mention that indeed the lost document was a .doc file.
I recreated the lost document from memory so am back in business.  Is
this bug logged in bugzilla?  Should I report anything about it to
hurry along its resolution? Regards, -John



I'd emphasize on the standard ODF file format.

My constant hint is to *always* use the native file format a tool can 
manipulate, eg ODF file formats when working with LibO/OOo. Then, *when 
and only when* an export need arises under some other exotic file 
format, just Save as for that purpose.


My 2 euro-cents,
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[libreoffice-users] LO Impress - play/pause videos

[Aleksey]

Greetings, colleagues.

Is there any way to play/pause video in Impress? If add video to the 
presentation it is played automatically until the end...

Best regards, Aleksey.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer (strace included)

[Eric]

Hi Nuno,Le 02/07/2011 12:13, Nuno J. Silva a écrit :On 2011-07-02, Eric 
wrote:Le 30/06/2011 01:44, planas wrote:A possible work around is to save the 
file in odt, then open and edit
it. Then save as docx or doc. Doc files are better understood and easier
to handle. Also, doc files can be opened by the current version of MS
Word. Unless the files contain Word 2007/2010 specific features, this
could work.Hi, that's what i did, unfortunately it doesn't prevent lowriter 
from crashing.


Here are 2 another strace logs :


1-http://dl.free.fr/b6M830KIY(crash right from the beginning)
2-http://dl.free.fr/ai9UYfNXm(random crash while i was working on the 
document)The one that crashed in the beggining, it looks like it was loading 
some
UNO stuff, the other two (the second you linked now and the other you
linked in an earlier message) crash after trying to load autocorrection
data (that does not exist):


,
| 2906  00:48:33.378073 
access("/home/rm/.libreoffice/3/user/autocorr/acor_.dat", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No 
such file or directory)
| 2906  00:48:33.395609 
access("/home/rm/.libreoffice/3/user/autocorr/acor_.dat", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No 
such file or directory)
| 2906  00:48:33.439753 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
`Is anyone here who can read them and understand what is the problem
(which really prevents me from working with LibreOffice) ?Maybe more 
experienced people (developers?) can tell what's wrong from
the straces.How to get their attention? :)But as straces just show system 
calls, they don't show *exactly* where
did the problem occur (or, more correctly, where did it explode).


If you can try getting a backtrace, it'll probably be useful too. The
problem is that for a complete, human-readable backtrace you need LibO
debug packages. 
See:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport#How_to_get_backtrace_.28on_Linux.29I'm
 ok to make a backtrace, but where can I find the
libreoffice*-debuginfo packages (I'm on Ubuntu 11.04)?Regards,Eric
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RE: [libreoffice-users] 3.4.1 startup issues on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

[Marc D. Demers]

Windows Seven does not put Java in the PATH by itself, you must done it 
manually. After that, LibreOffice will detect it. For my part, LibreOffice 
3.4.1 with the French Help Package run smoothly.

A+

Marc


 

> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 19:46:30 -0400
> From: mad...@ezrac.com
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 3.4.1 startup issues on Windows 7 x64 
> Ultimate
> 
> I saw some other advice about deleting the profile folder: that worked, 
> except LibreOffice is failing to detect Java 6r26 as a vaild JRE. I 
> would recommend changing the detection so it would work for any version 
> 6 or 7 binary folder.
> 
> On 7/1/2011 6:39 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> > Hmm. Now it is all ok? Don't know what changed.
> > steve
> >
> > On 2/07/11 10:34 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> >> Doesn't start on mac on first install. Looking deeper.
> >> steve
> >>
> >> On 2/07/11 8:09 AM, Michael Adams wrote:
> >>> Windows 7 x64 Ultimate; 3.3.x uninstalled; Java 6r26 installed (x86 
> >>> & x64 versions). Attempt at using 3.4.1 from that FileHippo copy 
> >>> yielded a crash when it tries to load Hungarian dictionaries. 
> >>> Attempt at using  3.4.1 from the LibreOffice.org installers today 
> >>> crashes without any notice of what the cause is. I can help test any 
> >>> solutions to this: is anyone else having this issue?
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Since we have no control over how MS mishandles their implementation of MS 
formats it would surely be better to convince people to switch to ODF formats.

People are happy to download pdfs and then click on the button to download the 
latest pdf reader from Adobe.  We could be pushing the ODF formats in the same 
way and for very similar reasons, ie that documents don't get screwed-up when 
everyone uses ODF.
Regards from
Tom :)






From: tracey002 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 20:59:54
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

> They do not care if the "default" format is an open standard or a 
> proprietary format.
> MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of 
> the older format out of luck. 
You are right: User A just wants to send a document to User B without an 
hassle (and vise versa).

Which is a good reason for Libre Office to do a better job at handling 
MS docs than MS does.
It would be noteworthy if the folks at MS Office Applications starting 
to get concerned about the developments at Libre Office.
Tracey

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> > But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty
> > trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool...
> >
> > Mark Stanton
> > One small step for mankind...
> >
> >
> >
>
> Part of the "dirty tricks" come from not understanding your customers'
> needs. Most office suite users are only interested in file formats so
> they share documents with others. In fact they would rather have on
> "default" format. They do not care if the "default" format is an open
> standard or a proprietary format.
>
> MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of the
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc: Transpose fail

[Tom Davies]

WoooHooo :)
Congrats :)
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Juan Carlos 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 20:09:02
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc: Transpose fail

I just installed LO3.4.1 and the bug is fixed! XD





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Too many variables in writer document problem

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Good.  So you have found a work-around for the short-term - mid-term.  

For the longer-term please can you post a bug-report against LibreOffice 
separately from the OpenOffice bug-report
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
You can ignore most of the advice in there.  Just use the link to start the new 
bug-report.  


If you can upload attachments directly to the bug report that would be great 
but 
just giving the url address that you gave lower down in this thread might be 
good enough.

If you can also give a url address of the OpenOffice bug-report that might help 
the triagers and the devs.  A full url is good because people can just click on 
it to get to the right place.  


The devs do try to work through OpenOffice bug-reports but it's going to be 
increasingly difficult due to the LO code-clean-up and rapid development.  Some 
issues are going to magically disappear or become much easier to fix.  
Hopefully 
this might be one of those issues.  


I guess you have already looked at 
Tools - Options - LibreOffice - Memory
I don't think it will help but it might be worth trying.  

I'm not a dev so i don't understand most of the question.  I have cc'd this 
email back to the Users List but it would be best (imo) to contact the devs 
directly or through the bug-report
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice

Many thanks and regards from
Tom :)





From: "ssl_pop_rg.schnei...@t-online.de" 
To: Tom Davies 
Sent: Sat, 2 July, 2011 8:19:16
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Too many variables in writer document problem

Hello,

no, there´s no other answer than to reduce the number of variables
( What I actually did ). It seems to me that the problem looks like
jeoparding pointer or lack of allocated/overwritten memory space. The
program seem to loose the information what is name/reference of varibles
and their content. Therefore itdisplays their name instead of their
content.

I tried to show what happens in the screen shots - I know thats rather
difficult to understand for someone else - especially because it´s a
tricky way to use writer for such a task.
Maybe we can start discussion.

By the way - are you a LO developer?

Regards 

/RalfS


Am Freitag, den 01.07.2011, 22:45 +0100 schrieb Tom Davies:
> Hi :)
> Did you get a good answer to this in the end?  If not then it might be
> worth posting the question to the list again.  I was going to look-up
> a number but then got side-tracked with a ton of stuff elsewhere
> Many apols and regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> 
> __
> From: RGS_2012 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Sun, 19 June, 2011 6:50:59
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Too many variables in writer document
> problem
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I wrote this Bug report some Years ago against Open Office.
> Unfortunately I had not so much time ( frequent travelling ) to follow
> up. At that time I changed the document - reduced amount of variables
> -
> to make  it working.
> 
> But now I´m back again to the Problem and no way out.
> 
> Problem:
> As I already stated, I use the writer feature set/display variable
> heavily with losts of calculations referring previously set/calculated
> variables.
> After defining ( too ) many variables, writers enters a strange
> behaviour:
> 
> Instead of showing the value of the set/show variable, it shows the
> just
> the name of this partikular and all further new introduced variables.
> 
> I´ve tried to show the problem taking screen shots.
> 
> I will send these screen shots and the document together with the
> post.
> 
> A telephone contact in Germany would be nice to get, hence it`s much
> easier to explain the problem interactively. 
> 
> The basic questions - as far as i think - are:
> 
> 1. Is there a limit in the number or size of variables ?
> 2. a pointer reference problem ?  
> 
> PLEASE: don´t complain: I still use an Open Office version of the
> Debian
> distro. Be shure that the problem is still in Libre Office to. The
> version I recognized the problem is 1.xx. So it WILL be in Libre
> Office
> too.
> 
> OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 
> OOO320m19 (Build:9505)
> ooo-build 3.2.1.4, Debian package 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2
> 
> PLEASE:Don´t ask me to use Calc instead. I use Calc when it good for.
> Not for documents!
> 
> Here the relates files. 
> 
>http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/TooManyVariables_CorrectOperation_SetVariable.png
>g
> TooManyVariables_CorrectOperation_SetVariable.png 
>http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/NK_SB_11_13_2010_ForLibreOffice.odt
>t
> NK_SB_11_13_2010_ForLibreOffice.odt 
>http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_ChangeVariable.png
>g
> TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_ChangeVariable.png 
>http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3081935/TooManyVariables_WrongOperation_InsertNewVariable.png
>g
> TooManyVariables_WrongOperat

[libreoffice-users] Slide pane in Impress / LibreOffice 3.4.1

[Peter Pervers]

The new version of Impress doesn't allow me to have a slide pane with
2 or 3 slides per row anymore. (Note: I am not concerned with the
Slide Sorter, but the slide pane in the normal view.) I am using
LibreOffice 3.4.1 on Linux Mint 11.

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[libreoffice-users] Slide pane in Impress / LibreOffice 3.4.0

[Peter Pervers]

The new version of Impress doesn't show the names of slides in the
slide sorter anymore. I am using LibreOffice 3.4.1 on Linux Mint 11.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Aack! Uninstall removes file types!

[Zak McKracken]

Am 01.07.2011, 14:06 Uhr, schrieb Andreas Säger :


Hi,

If this is a real problem, you must never install more than one program  
for the same type of file.


I think you misunderstood the problem here.
My windows at least has a list of applications that are, for example able  
to handle pngs. Image editors, viewers, also browsers. One of them is the  
standard for opening pngs, the others are listed under "open with...". Now  
if I uninstall the first program in that list, I should be able to expect  
that windows will still have the list of other programs that can deal with  
pngs, and not completely forgets what a png is. If LO actually deletes the  
list for all its registered file types, this is clearly a bug and should  
be filed as one.

If it were intentional, it would clearly qualify as antisocial behaviour.

 Zak


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[libreoffice-users] Re: prevent line breaks between parentheses and formula object

[Zak McKracken]

Am 01.07.2011, 15:17 Uhr, schrieb Brian Barker :

An obvious workaround may be to include any such parentheses in the  
formula itself.


Not quite, I'm afraid. Because in the parentheses, I have some regular  
text behind the formula, and a non-closed parenthesis in a formula object  
messes it up. Also, I'm using different fonts in formulae and regular  
text, so that would be visible.
Anyway, I did find a solution by using a protected space and scaling the  
width down to 1% or something.


Thanks nonetheless,

   Zak


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[libreoffice-users] Re: prevent linebreaks between parentheses and formula object

[Zak McKracken]

Am 01.07.2011, 10:18 Uhr, schrieb Karl-Heinz Bellgardt  
:



This already had been a point of discussion in the OOo mailing list
some time ago. I am not sure whether it ended up in a bug report.


I thought so too, but could not find it. I'm reading this via news reader,  
and a search did not give me any results.
I just looked up the bug list on freedesktop.org, and did not find  
anything that seemed related.

... maybe I'm just bad at searching?


I can insert a protected space before the formula, and that does prevent
the line break, but it also looks weird.


As a workaround you can make that space very tiny, e.g. 1pt.


Oh, good idea, and it works, too! Although LibreOffice will not make it  
smaller than 2pt. If I enter anything smaller, it still becomes 2pt. This  
is visible in the final output, but could be OK for my purposes.



Inspired by this, I just found an even better method: insert a regular  
protected space, select and then "Format -> character" and on the  
"position" tab "scale width" to  1%.
"make invisible" does not work by the way (I had tried that before), as  
then the space will dissappear, and so will the line break prevention.


Thanks!
  Zak


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer (strace included)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Is it possible to find a bug-report about this issue and upload the straces to 
there?  That might help  developers to see the strace.  There are few devs on 
the Users List.
Regards from
Tom :)






From: Nuno J. Silva 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 2 July, 2011 11:13:02
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer 
(strace included)

On 2011-07-02, Eric wrote:

> Le 30/06/2011 01:44, planas wrote:
>
>> A possible work around is to save the file in odt, then open and edit
>> it. Then save as docx or doc. Doc files are better understood and easier
>> to handle. Also, doc files can be opened by the current version of MS
>> Word. Unless the files contain Word 2007/2010 specific features, this
>> could work.
>>
> Hi, that's what i did, unfortunately it doesn't prevent lowriter from 
crashing.
>
> Here are 2 another strace logs :
>
> 1- http://dl.free.fr/b6M830KIY (crash right from the beginning)
> 2- http://dl.free.fr/ai9UYfNXm (random crash while i was working on the 
>document)

The one that crashed in the beggining, it looks like it was loading some
UNO stuff, the other two (the second you linked now and the other you
linked in an earlier message) crash after trying to load autocorrection
data (that does not exist):

,
| 2906  00:48:33.378073 
access("/home/rm/.libreoffice/3/user/autocorr/acor_.dat", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No 
such file or directory)
| 2906  00:48:33.395609 
access("/home/rm/.libreoffice/3/user/autocorr/acor_.dat", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No 
such file or directory)
| 2906  00:48:33.439753 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
`

> Is anyone here who can read them and understand what is the problem
> (which really prevents me from working with LibreOffice) ?

Maybe more experienced people (developers?) can tell what's wrong from
the straces.

But as straces just show system calls, they don't show *exactly* where
did the problem occur (or, more correctly, where did it explode).

If you can try getting a backtrace, it'll probably be useful too. The
problem is that for a complete, human-readable backtrace you need LibO
debug packages. See:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport#How_to_get_backtrace_.28on_Linux.29

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer (strace included)

[Nuno J. Silva]

On 2011-07-02, Eric wrote:

> Le 30/06/2011 01:44, planas wrote:
>
>> A possible work around is to save the file in odt, then open and edit
>> it. Then save as docx or doc. Doc files are better understood and easier
>> to handle. Also, doc files can be opened by the current version of MS
>> Word. Unless the files contain Word 2007/2010 specific features, this
>> could work.
>>
> Hi, that's what i did, unfortunately it doesn't prevent lowriter from 
> crashing.
>
> Here are 2 another strace logs :
>
> 1- http://dl.free.fr/b6M830KIY (crash right from the beginning)
> 2- http://dl.free.fr/ai9UYfNXm (random crash while i was working on the 
> document)

The one that crashed in the beggining, it looks like it was loading some
UNO stuff, the other two (the second you linked now and the other you
linked in an earlier message) crash after trying to load autocorrection
data (that does not exist):

,
| 2906  00:48:33.378073 
access("/home/rm/.libreoffice/3/user/autocorr/acor_.dat", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No 
such file or directory)
| 2906  00:48:33.395609 
access("/home/rm/.libreoffice/3/user/autocorr/acor_.dat", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No 
such file or directory)
| 2906  00:48:33.439753 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
`

> Is anyone here who can read them and understand what is the problem
> (which really prevents me from working with LibreOffice) ?

Maybe more experienced people (developers?) can tell what's wrong from
the straces.

But as straces just show system calls, they don't show *exactly* where
did the problem occur (or, more correctly, where did it explode).

If you can try getting a backtrace, it'll probably be useful too. The
problem is that for a complete, human-readable backtrace you need LibO
debug packages. See:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport#How_to_get_backtrace_.28on_Linux.29

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress, Master Slides and Custom Animations

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Nuno,

Nuno J. Silva wrote (02-07-11 11:44)

On 2011-06-30, Cor Nouws wrote:

This makes me happy (although I'd like something easier, at least now I
know a way to do it).


Agree that it is not easy to find. But glad you now know where it is :-)


But the OP wants to do this for *all* slides.


Yes, I noticed and acknowledged.


Tried here, same thing, effects aren't inherited -- or probably just the
ones associated with text?


No, there are quite some parts in the Impress UI/handling that are not 
finished, IMO.
Also the handling of styles, numbering in master pages asks some special 
user skills ;-)

And there are more wishes.


SO if you want to apply the same effect very often, 'just' copy either
a frame or a slide ...


Heh, that's exactly what master pages should avoid, ain't it? :-)


Fully agree. And maybe it is not so difficult to implement too. (But not 
so difficult multiplied by a hundred times easily count up for a few 
year :-) )



Rule of thumb: Never assume stuff is done in the same way as in the
other "office suite" you use.



+1

Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress, Master Slides and Custom Animations

[Nuno J. Silva]

On 2011-06-30, Cor Nouws wrote:

> tpe wrote (30-06-11 08:56)
>
>> [...] But, I have to add transition between each text Outlines and
>> each page. It's very easy to add page transition effects. But, so far I have
>> not managed to add automatic custom effect in text transitions (with click).
>> For example, let's say that I have in page the following format:
>>
>>  Text 1
>>  Text 2
>>  Text 3
>>
>> I want to present the elements as
>> Text 1, then I click the mouse, Text 2 click the mount Text 3 etc.
>
> - make sure either the text frame is selected or one of the lines has
> the cursor;
> - at the bottom right of the screen, select Custom Animation
> - add one to your needs
> now there is a window bottom right, listing your outline and the effect
> - right click on the line and choose Effect options
> - in that window on the tab Tex animation, you can set the desired effect
> (and much more)
> There are also other paths to this effect/goal.

This is something I really wanted to find out what to do. 

As I usually use LaTeX+Beamer to make slideshows, I'm used to just write
\pause and having it work™. Last time I used Impress I couldn't find the
way to do this (just in case someone is going to award the prize for
dirtiest hack: I ended up copying the slide several times and deleting
the text that should be hidden).

Just doing what you pointed still makes all paragraphs appear at the
same time (I picked effect "appear"), but if in "Text Animation" I
choose "Group text: By 1st level paragraphs", now in the effect window I
get a "subeffect" for each paragraph, and, for each of these, picking
"Start on click" in the context menu does the trick.

This makes me happy (although I'd like something easier, at least now I
know a way to do it). But the OP wants to do this for *all* slides.


>> I tried the same on LO 3.3:
>> Edit the Slide Master, modified the fonts etc. Then, I tried to add a custom
>> animation in each element
>> But with no success.
>
> Indeed, I can set it, but it does not have effect on the slides with
> the master pages.

Tried here, same thing, effects aren't inherited -- or probably just the
ones associated with text?

> SO if you want to apply the same effect very often, 'just' copy either
> a frame or a slide ...

Heh, that's exactly what master pages should avoid, ain't it? :-)

>> So, is it possible to do that in LO?
>
> As explained: yes, but in a different manner.

Rule of thumb: Never assume stuff is done in the same way as in the
other "office suite" you use.

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