RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

If I wanted to make a text box, going to the drawing tool is not intuitive to 
me.

But I did that one too, just to see what the differences are.

 - Dennis

SUMMARY

It appears that it is LibreOffice that is losing the text when reading the DOCX 
text box.

When the same .docx is read back into LibreOffice, it has no text at all and 
even the border I added is gone.

Microsoft Office Word 2010 sees the border but not the content.  If I put 
content in on the Word 2010 side, it comes back to LO in an ODT and a DOC, but 
LO doesn't see the text in the DOCX (though it now sees the frame.)

The only odd thing about bringing the adjusted DOCX (adding the text back in) 
as an ODT from Word 2010 is that a stray empty graphic box shows up on the ODT 
page.  But the text box and its text are there too.  This is true when the 
exported ODT is read back into Word 2010 and when it is read into LibreOffice 
3.3.2.

CONCLUSION

I stand by my original analysis.  None of them have anything to be proud of, 
but the round tripping of DOCX from LibreOffice is far worse than the ODT 
round-tripped from Word 2010, although the added graphic frame is certainly 
undesirable.

The side-by-side and interchange case analysis to raise the level of 
interoperability is still required.

DETAILS

I made a text box using View | Toolbars | Drawing.  I selected "T" and drew a 
box with the modified cursor and added text to it.  Then I positioned the box 
where I wanted and use the Line dialog to put a border around the box.

I save this as an .odt file from LibreOffice 3.3.2.  It re-opens correctly.

With the ODT open in LibreOffice 3.3.2, I saved the file as a Microsoft Word 
2007 .docx.

When I reopened the file in LibreOffice 3.3.2, the page is blank.  There is 
nothing in it.

When I open the file in Microsoft Office 2010, I get the frame and the border 
and no text.

So, with the visible frame selected in Office 2010, I right click and select 
the "Add Text" option in the context menu.

I then save that as a .docx, as a .doc, and as an .odt.  Word 2010 opens the 
saved .doc and  .docx with the added-in perfectly.  It opens the .odt perfectly 
except there is a stray empty text frame in the upper left corner of the 
document.  The centered frame with text is as I saved it.  I have no idea how 
the stray graphic frame came along for the ride.

Now, using LibreOffice 3.3.2 and the three versions made from Microsoft Word 
2010, here is the result:

The docx comes into LibreOffice with the border and text frame showing, but the 
text frame is empty.  (This is better than it does with the docx it created 
itself, where everything is lost.)

The .doc comes back perfectly as saved from Microsoft Office Word 2010.

The .odt text box comes back just fine too, and the stray box is in the upper 
left corner that showed up on round-trip back into Word 2010 is also there in 
LO 3.3.2. 




-Original Message-
From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 19:34
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

On 08/12/2011 07:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> 
> -Original Message- From: NoOp [mailto:] 
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 17:23 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre
> Office
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> Open LO. Make a simple text box with some text in it. Save as an
> .docx & let us know how that works out for you.

> I'm not so sure the bug report being discussed is anything so simple,
> but I took on your little experiment.
>
>
> CONCLUSION
>
> It would seem, in this simple case, that no one has much to be proud
> of concerning interop between the different native formats.  It is
> odd that the worst case here is the DOCX output from LibreOffice read
> back into LibreOffice.  But Word 2010 doesn't round-trip to and from
> ODT a lot better (although it is a lot easier to adjust manually if
> desired).
>
> To get this right, there needs to be a more-systematic effort that
> determines what discretionary provisions are being handled
> differently and what other features at the format level would be more
> successful.
>
>
> DETAILS
>
> I started in LO 3.3.2 Writer by inserting a frame around a paragraph
> of text, then saving it as a Microsoft Office Word 2007 DOCX format.

"Text Box":
View|Toolbars|Drawing
Click on the 'T'|write something|exit the textbox
etc.


...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1 
I didn't know about the links and don't support the idea of using proprietary 
products if it's possible to avoid them.  I agree it would be great to use .odt 
but that it is more realistic to use .doc.  


You can set the default format to .Doc and similar by clicking on 
Tools - Options - +Load/Save - General
Then there are 2 drop-downs beside each other at the bottom.  With "Document 
Type" set at "Text Document" roll the other one back-up one place to "Microsoft 
Word (97/2000/Xp)".  For spreadsheets and presentations roll-back 2 places to 
avoid the "templates" options.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: NoOp 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 2:34:53
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

On 08/12/2011 03:19 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
> 
> There are considerable issue with OOXML/MOX[1] files:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=docx
> 
> Then again, Microsoft also has issues as well:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
>
>>
> 
> Your best bet is to ask users to use .doc rather than .docx (preferably
> .odt, but we all know that isn't realistic).
> 
> [1]
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_OOXML
> 
> 

Sorry, forgot to mention that there is a commercial package that does a
very nice job with .docx. Even the export to .odt included the notes
from the file that I tested:



http://www.softmaker.com/english/ofl_en.htm

You can try a working linux demo for 30 days:
http://www.softmaker.de/cgi-local/of10trial.py

I just installed (deb version) and it does a pretty nice job. Looks
quite like LO/OOo/StarOffice. Interesting that comes out of Germany -
the home of StarOffice & they've been around for quite some time. Also
interesting (albeit old - 2006) interview:

Louis Suarrez-Potts.







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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice doesn't think exporting to PDF is printing

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
You should be in control.  It's worth posting a bug-report
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
There might be an obscure setting but if there is then you can always close the 
bug-reoprt later.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Onyeibo Oku 
To: "Libre, Users" 
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 3:53:47
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice doesn't think exporting to PDF is 
printing

Why does LibreOffice print/export cell ranges that are set not-to-print/hidden 
in PDF format? I usually don't print to paper. This is inconveniencing. This 
forces me to hide the ranges on the UI manually. Should I be in control?
-
from twohot@device.mobile :)

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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice doesn't think exporting to PDF is printing

[Onyeibo Oku]

Why does LibreOffice print/export cell ranges that are set not-to-print/hidden 
in PDF format? I usually don't print to paper. This is inconveniencing. This 
forces me to hide the ranges on the UI manually. Should I be in control?
-
from twohot@device.mobile :)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[NoOp]

On 08/12/2011 07:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> 
> -Original Message- From: NoOp [mailto:] 
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 17:23 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre
> Office
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> Open LO. Make a simple text box with some text in it. Save as an
> .docx & let us know how that works out for you.

> I'm not so sure the bug report being discussed is anything so simple,
> but I took on your little experiment.
>
>
> CONCLUSION
>
> It would seem, in this simple case, that no one has much to be proud
> of concerning interop between the different native formats.  It is
> odd that the worst case here is the DOCX output from LibreOffice read
> back into LibreOffice.  But Word 2010 doesn't round-trip to and from
> ODT a lot better (although it is a lot easier to adjust manually if
> desired).
>
> To get this right, there needs to be a more-systematic effort that
> determines what discretionary provisions are being handled
> differently and what other features at the format level would be more
> successful.
>
>
> DETAILS
>
> I started in LO 3.3.2 Writer by inserting a frame around a paragraph
> of text, then saving it as a Microsoft Office Word 2007 DOCX format.

"Text Box":
View|Toolbars|Drawing
Click on the 'T'|write something|exit the textbox
etc.


...


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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[NoOp]

On 08/12/2011 06:34 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 08/12/2011 03:19 PM, NoOp wrote:
> ...
>> 
>> There are considerable issue with OOXML/MOX[1] files:
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=docx
>> 
>> Then again, Microsoft also has issues as well:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
>> 
>> 
>> Your best bet is to ask users to use .doc rather than .docx (preferably
>> .odt, but we all know that isn't realistic).
>> 
>> [1]
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_OOXML
>> 
>> 
> 
> Sorry, forgot to mention that there is a commercial package that does a
> very nice job with .docx. Even the export to .odt included the notes
> from the file that I tested:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.softmaker.com/english/ofl_en.htm
> 
> You can try a working linux demo for 30 days:
> http://www.softmaker.de/cgi-local/of10trial.py
> 
> I just installed (deb version) and it does a pretty nice job. Looks
> quite like LO/OOo/StarOffice. Interesting that comes out of Germany -
> the home of StarOffice & they've been around for quite some time. Also
> interesting (albeit old - 2006) interview:
> 
> Louis Suarrez-Potts.

Must be getting old/tired... last line was meant to read:
"comments from Louis Suarrez-Potts are interesting".



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I'm not so sure the bug report being discussed is anything so simple, but I 
took on your little experiment.


CONCLUSION

It would seem, in this simple case, that no one has much to be proud of 
concerning interop between the different native formats.  It is odd that the 
worst case here is the DOCX output from LibreOffice read back into LibreOffice. 
 But Word 2010 doesn't round-trip to and from ODT a lot better (although it is 
a lot easier to adjust manually if desired).

To get this right, there needs to be a more-systematic effort that determines 
what discretionary provisions are being handled differently and what other 
features at the format level would be more successful.  


DETAILS

I started in LO 3.3.2 Writer by inserting a frame around a paragraph of text, 
then saving it as a Microsoft Office Word 2007 DOCX format.  The text box is 
centered at the top of the page and I adjusted its width so the text "This is 
going to be a simple text box" was in two lines.  The box was vertically more 
than two lines though.  (The automatically-created initial frame was narrower 
horizontally.)

The DOCX opened in Microsoft Office Word 2010 just fine, exactly as formatted 
in LO3.3.2 with the extra space at the bottom of the text box but with a 
thinner border line (looks like 0.5pt instead of 1pt).

However, when I opened it in LibreOffice 3.3.2, it produced a different, 
page-wide paragraph with a border around it.  I can find no text frame.

Because I didn't keep a copy in ODT format, I did it again, 

The LibreOffice 3.3.2 ODT Saves and Reloads just fine, just as I formatted it.  
I also see that the 1pt line is preserved and is heavier than I see in Word 
2010.  I examined the ODT Zip Package and confirmed there is a  
containing a .  In addition, it sets a minimum height of the box. 
When I open that ODT in Word 2010, it opens fine except the text box is shrunk 
vertically and the outline is not so heavy.
 
I also saved the second ODT from LO 3.3.2 in OOXML DOCX (not the Word 2007 DOCX 
flavor), just to see what difference there is, if any.

It opens back in LibreOffice 3.3.2 once-again with the frame lost and there 
being a single-line paragraph with a 1pt border around it (full page width, one 
line high).  I inspected the ODT Zip package and confirmed that LO turned the 
text frame into a paragraph with a solid border.

Word 2010 still has the centered box with the original height (blank space 
below the text) but it looks like the border is an 0.5 pt line.

For fun, I used Word 2010 to save the opened .DOCX document as a Word 97-2003 
DOC and as an ODF Text .ODT document.  Word 2010 reopens the .DOC just fine.  
On re-opening the .ODT, Word 2010 shows a drawn text frame that has been 
reduced vertically to surround the text.

On reopening the ODT from Word 2010 in LibreOffice 3.3.2, the frame is 
preserved but the border shrinks vertically to just fit the two lines of text, 
although I can see that the text box is vertically deeper than that still.  The 
border is heavier again.

When I open the DOC from Word 2010 in LibreOffice 3.3.2, the frame is preserved 
and its border is the heavier one that we started out with.  The border is 
heavier again.

 

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From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 17:23
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[ ... ]

Open LO. Make a simple text box with some text in it. Save as an .docx &
let us know how that works out for you.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[NoOp]

On 08/12/2011 03:19 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
> 
> There are considerable issue with OOXML/MOX[1] files:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=docx
> 
> Then again, Microsoft also has issues as well:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
> 
> 
> Your best bet is to ask users to use .doc rather than .docx (preferably
> .odt, but we all know that isn't realistic).
> 
> [1]
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_OOXML
> 
> 

Sorry, forgot to mention that there is a commercial package that does a
very nice job with .docx. Even the export to .odt included the notes
from the file that I tested:



http://www.softmaker.com/english/ofl_en.htm

You can try a working linux demo for 30 days:
http://www.softmaker.de/cgi-local/of10trial.py

I just installed (deb version) and it does a pretty nice job. Looks
quite like LO/OOo/StarOffice. Interesting that comes out of Germany -
the home of StarOffice & they've been around for quite some time. Also
interesting (albeit old - 2006) interview:

Louis Suarrez-Potts.







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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[NoOp]

On 08/12/2011 04:39 PM, planas wrote:
> Hi :)
> 
> On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 21:21 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: 
> 
>> Hi :)
>> Yes, it does crop up quite often but it is still a legitimate question.  
>> 
>> Ideally convert things to doc format if that is possible.  DocX is designed 
>> to 
>> be incompatible with non-MS products imo.  However the LibreOffice 3.4.2 
>> often 
>> does a better job of read/writing docXs than the 3.3.3 but having both is 
>> possible if you follow this guide
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
>> Still neither is perfect at it so trying to stick with Doc is better.
>> 
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Rob Harriman 
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:59:56
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.
>> 
>> When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is shot 
>> to 
>> pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included in the 
>> original.
>> It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
>> I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this 
>> assumption is 
>> incorrect.
>> 
>> Is there anything that I can do to address these formatting issues, or must 
>> I 
>> convert these .docx files to .doc format before reading them in LO?
>> Thanks
...
> 
> My experience with docs and xlsx documents has been those that are not
> very complex are opened in 3.4.2 very accurately and saving back works
> well. I recommend that you save and ODF copy just in case. Complex
> documents are trickier, it depends on the features used and whether
> there are macros. Macros are at best very erratic, often they do not
> translate easily into StarBasic.

I consider a simple text box not to be very complex:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34617

Open LO. Make a simple text box with some text in it. Save as an .docx &
let us know how that works out for you.


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Um, that statement makes no sense.  Public domain documents require no license. 
 They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or there's a 
quit claim on the copyright and no license applies.

Although either case would make them all right to bundle with LibreOffice, you 
still have to figure out which case you are assuming.  I would be concerned 
that whoever slapped that on there doesn't know what they are doing.  (I think 
it is odd to apply the GPL to a document, but it's not that surprising.)

 - Dennis

PS: For fun, I dug inside one of these.  They were produced with OpenOffice.org 
2.0 near the end of 2005.  Remarkable.


-Original Message-
From: Don C. Myers [mailto:donmy...@myersfarm.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 16:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

On the World Label site they have the following statement:
"These documents are XML Open Document Format (ODF), Public Domain, 
licensed under GPL. "

On 08/12/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I think those templates can be used in LibreOffice but the docs team were 
> trying
> to find someone to bring them into LibreOffice properly (assuming they are
> copy-left rather than copyright licensed).
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Don C. Myers
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 22:17:48
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels
>
> Hi,
>
> Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual developed 
> based
> on tables instead of instead of the block style that came with Open Office and
> like what Microsoft Word uses. I've used the US sizes and they work perfectly.
> It is super easy to adjust the column width by just dragging. The US sizes
> always start with the typing in the center of the label also. I'm not sure 
> where
> to find them in Libre Office, but you can download them from
> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will never go back
> to the old style of labels formats. There was a tutorial on the Internet at 
> one
> time. You may also find some help on the World Label site
>
> Don
>
> On 08/12/2011 05:04 PM, Claudio Aranha wrote:
>> Hi friends
>>
>> I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
>> dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
>> BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
>> http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt
>>
>> The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than
>> they should be, sometimes invading another label.
>>
>>
>> I'm on Debian 6 with LibreOffice 3.4.2 and paper in the printer and
>> LibreOffice is set to A4.
>>
>> Thank you

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[planas]

Hi :)

On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 21:21 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: 

> Hi :)
> Yes, it does crop up quite often but it is still a legitimate question.  
> 
> Ideally convert things to doc format if that is possible.  DocX is designed 
> to 
> be incompatible with non-MS products imo.  However the LibreOffice 3.4.2 
> often 
> does a better job of read/writing docXs than the 3.3.3 but having both is 
> possible if you follow this guide
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
> Still neither is perfect at it so trying to stick with Doc is better.
> 
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Rob Harriman 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:59:56
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office
> 
> Hi,
> Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.
> 
> When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is shot to 
> pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included in the 
> original.
> It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
> I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this assumption 
> is 
> incorrect.
> 
> Is there anything that I can do to address these formatting issues, or must I 
> convert these .docx files to .doc format before reading them in LO?
> Thanks
> 
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My experience with docs and xlsx documents has been those that are not
very complex are opened in 3.4.2 very accurately and saving back works
well. I recommend that you save and ODF copy just in case. Complex
documents are trickier, it depends on the features used and whether
there are macros. Macros are at best very erratic, often they do not
translate easily into StarBasic.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

[Don C. Myers]

Hi,

On the World Label site they have the following statement:
"These documents are XML Open Document Format (ODF), Public Domain, 
licensed under GPL. "


On 08/12/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think those templates can be used in LibreOffice but the docs team were trying
to find someone to bring them into LibreOffice properly (assuming they are
copy-left rather than copyright licensed).
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Don C. Myers
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 22:17:48
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual developed based
on tables instead of instead of the block style that came with Open Office and
like what Microsoft Word uses. I've used the US sizes and they work perfectly.
It is super easy to adjust the column width by just dragging. The US sizes
always start with the typing in the center of the label also. I'm not sure where
to find them in Libre Office, but you can download them from
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will never go back
to the old style of labels formats. There was a tutorial on the Internet at one
time. You may also find some help on the World Label site

Don

On 08/12/2011 05:04 PM, Claudio Aranha wrote:

Hi friends

I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than
they should be, sometimes invading another label.


I'm on Debian 6 with LibreOffice 3.4.2 and paper in the printer and
LibreOffice is set to A4.

Thank you


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended onMicrosoftAnswers Forums!

[Andy Brown]

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Great idea and that is certainly the way MS would like it but sadly MS Office
2010 documents often seem to go a little wrong in MS Office 2007 and
vice-versa.  Earlier versions of MS Office can't read/write the format used by
MS Office 2010 or 2007 at all without installing an extra patch.  It's not just
a case of using MS Office but of using the 'right' version too.  It helps push
people into buying the latest one and when the newer one comes out hesitate a
little before everyone else gets it too.  Smart.
Regards from
Tom :)



All the facts are pointed out as well, like the incompatibility of some 
versions of MSO.  Of course that is how they make their money, vendor 
lock-in.  Which is also covered in the replies.


Andy


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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[NoOp]

On 08/12/2011 11:59 AM, Rob Harriman wrote:
> Hi,
> Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered 
> elsewhere.
> 
> When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is 
> shot to pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included 
> in the original.
> It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
> I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this 
> assumption is incorrect.
> 
> Is there anything that I can do to address these formatting issues, or 
> must I convert these .docx files to .doc format before reading them in LO?
> Thanks
> 

There are considerable issue with OOXML/MOX[1] files:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=docx

Then again, Microsoft also has issues as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML


Your best bet is to ask users to use .doc rather than .docx (preferably
.odt, but we all know that isn't realistic).

[1]
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_OOXML


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended onMicrosoftAnswers Forums!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Great idea and that is certainly the way MS would like it but sadly MS Office 
2010 documents often seem to go a little wrong in MS Office 2007 and 
vice-versa.  Earlier versions of MS Office can't read/write the format used by 
MS Office 2010 or 2007 at all without installing an extra patch.  It's not just 
a case of using MS Office but of using the 'right' version too.  It helps push 
people into buying the latest one and when the newer one comes out hesitate a 
little before everyone else gets it too.  Smart.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Andy Brown 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 22:57:07
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended 
onMicrosoftAnswers Forums!

David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "Tom Davies"
>
>> Hi :)
>> Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".
>> Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few
>> weeks ago.
>>
>> There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2
>> projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in 
both
>> again.  It's  bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so
>> it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a 
"poisoned
>> pawn".  I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF,
>> effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable.  Then IBM
>> donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.
>> OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary
>> mind-set again.
>>
>> Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have 
>taken
>> place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting
>> "Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead.  Still, it's probably best 
>>not
>> to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel
>> especially if it's not directly from MS.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>
> Many of the MS MVPs I know aren't swayed by Microsoft and suggest *best* 
>solutions that
> may not be a Microsoft solution.

As has been done on the forums that I have seen.  It has been suggested 
many times that if a person needs 100% compatibility with MSO, use MSO. 
  Plain, simple and to the point.

Andy

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended onMicrosoftAnswers Forums!

[Andy Brown]

David H. Lipman wrote:

From: "Tom Davies"


Hi :)
Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".
Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few
weeks ago.

There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2
projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in both
again.  It's  bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so
it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a "poisoned
pawn".  I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF,
effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable.  Then IBM
donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.
OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary
mind-set again.

Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have taken
place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting
"Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead.  Still, it's probably best not
to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel
especially if it's not directly from MS.
Regards from
Tom :)



Many of the MS MVPs I know aren't swayed by Microsoft and suggest *best* 
solutions that
may not be a Microsoft solution.


As has been done on the forums that I have seen.  It has been suggested 
many times that if a person needs 100% compatibility with MSO, use MSO. 
 Plain, simple and to the point.


Andy

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think those templates can be used in LibreOffice but the docs team were 
trying 
to find someone to bring them into LibreOffice properly (assuming they are 
copy-left rather than copyright licensed).
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Don C. Myers 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 22:17:48
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual developed based 
on tables instead of instead of the block style that came with Open Office and 
like what Microsoft Word uses. I've used the US sizes and they work perfectly. 
It is super easy to adjust the column width by just dragging. The US sizes 
always start with the typing in the center of the label also. I'm not sure 
where 
to find them in Libre Office, but you can download them from 
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will never go back 
to the old style of labels formats. There was a tutorial on the Internet at one 
time. You may also find some help on the World Label site

Don

On 08/12/2011 05:04 PM, Claudio Aranha wrote:
> Hi friends
> 
> I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
> dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
> BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
> http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt
> 
> The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than
> they should be, sometimes invading another label.
> 
> 
> I'm on Debian 6 with LibreOffice 3.4.2 and paper in the printer and
> LibreOffice is set to A4.
> 
> Thank you

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended onMicrosoftAnswers Forums!

[Tom Davies]

Wow! 
They sound interesting.  I am getting the impression that most people in 
OpenSource projects have a similar role although we usually have more control 
over how deeply involved we get and in which parts of the project.  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: David H. Lipman 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 20:21:53
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended 
onMicrosoftAnswers Forums!

From: "Tom Davies" 

> Hi :)
> Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".
> Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few
> weeks ago.
>
> There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2
> projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in both
> again.  It's  bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so
> it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a "poisoned
> pawn".  I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF,
> effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable.  Then IBM
> donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.
> OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary
> mind-set again.
>
> Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have 
taken
> place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting
> "Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead.  Still, it's probably best 
>not
> to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel
> especially if it's not directly from MS.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

Many of the MS MVPs I know aren't swayed by Microsoft and suggest *best* 
solutions that 

may not be a Microsoft solution.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Apache - LibreOffice connections (was Re: Libre Office being recommended on MicrosoftAnswers Forums!)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Blimey!  This is a great thread!  I think the steering-discuss list might 
appreciate the links to the Apache reports.  I might forward that bit if i 
remember tomorrow.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 21:46:03
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Apache - LibreOffice connections (was Re: Libre 
Office being recommended on MicrosoftAnswers Forums!)

I have no insight into what Microsoft folks think of the OpenOffice.org -> 
Apache license grant by Oracle.  The ones I know are aware of it. 


There is overlap among contributors at the Apache project and on LibreOffice.  
No one at Apache tells their contributors where they cannot (nor must) 
contribute. 


A little fact-checking:

1. The Oracle grant was announced on June 1.  The Apache OpenOffice.org 
incubator podling was approved at Apache on June 13.  
.

2. The transfer is not complete at this time.  The podling is working at how to 
move repositories, http://openoffice.org, etc. preceding a review of the IP 
provenance of everything.  They are also working on making sure that they have 
clear agreement on what the Oracle grant covers.

There have been two monthly status reports (scroll down to OpenOffice.org in 
the 
alphabetical list of reports):
2011 July report, 
2011 August report, 

3. While there is an announced intention to contribute some source code of IBM 
Lotus Symphony, that has not happened at this point and it probably won't until 
we're clear on (2).  An Apache ODF Toolkit podling was recently approved and 
will receive the code of the ODF Toolkit Union for starters, 
.  This is an independent 
podling at this point.  The mailing lists aren't up just yet.  


4. I didn't know, until I started working on Apache projects in June, that 
there 
is an Apache POI Top Level Project (TLP) which is producing a Java API for 
Microsoft Documents .

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:26
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended on 
MicrosoftAnswers Forums!

Hi :)
Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".  
Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few 
weeks ago.  


There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2 
projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in both 
again.  It's  bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so 
it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a "poisoned 
pawn".  I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF, 
effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable.  Then IBM 
donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.  
OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary 
mind-set again.  


Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have taken 
place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting 
"Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead.  Still, it's probably best 
not 

to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel 
especially if it's not directly from MS.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: "jebw...@gmail.com" 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:06:21
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended on 
MicrosoftAnswers Forums!

There's a good possibility the LO recommendation being due to the Gates - 
Ellison feud.  Ellison owns Oracle. Oracle owns OO.  Most know more about OO 
then they do LO.  Hence the reason for MS's LO recommendation. Then there's the 
900lb Gorilla factor:  LO is cost free.  OO looks like it's going to be a for 
$$$ item at Oracle.



On 8/12/2011 9:36 AM, David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "upscope"
> 
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2011 03:07:54 PM Stan Goodman wrote:
>>> On Friday 12 August 2011 00:22:12 planas wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:59 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> On 11/08/2011 20:43, planas wrote:
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:24 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>>> Yes it's true!
>>> I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people
>>> who've bought a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010
>>> that's expired...
>> +1
>> 
>> Where is this happening?
> here's one thread:
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-window
> s_
> install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d69
> 8d- b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0ab

[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended onMicrosoftAnswers Forums!

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Tom Davies" 

> Hi :)
> Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".
> Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few
> weeks ago.
>
> There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2
> projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in both
> again.  It's  bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so
> it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a "poisoned
> pawn".  I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF,
> effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable.  Then IBM
> donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.
> OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary
> mind-set again.
>
> Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have 
> taken
> place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting
> "Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead.  Still, it's probably best 
> not
> to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel
> especially if it's not directly from MS.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

Many of the MS MVPs I know aren't swayed by Microsoft and suggest *best* 
solutions that 
may not be a Microsoft solution.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

[Don C. Myers]

Hi,

Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual 
developed based on tables instead of instead of the block style that 
came with Open Office and like what Microsoft Word uses. I've used the 
US sizes and they work perfectly. It is super easy to adjust the column 
width by just dragging. The US sizes always start with the typing in the 
center of the label also. I'm not sure where to find them in Libre 
Office, but you can download them from 
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will never 
go back to the old style of labels formats. There was a tutorial on the 
Internet at one time. You may also find some help on the World Label site


Don

On 08/12/2011 05:04 PM, Claudio Aranha wrote:

Hi friends

I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than
they should be, sometimes invading another label.


I'm on Debian 6 with LibreOffice 3.4.2 and paper in the printer and
LibreOffice is set to A4.

Thank you


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[libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

[Claudio Aranha]

Hi friends

I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than
they should be, sometimes invading another label.


I'm on Debian 6 with LibreOffice 3.4.2 and paper in the printer and
LibreOffice is set to A4.

Thank you
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.4.2 Spellcheck Not Working....

[Don C. Myers]

Works fine here: Ubuntu 11.04, LibreOffice 3.4.2
I'm running the official LibreOffice version. In past times, Ubuntu only 
updated to new versions of OpenOffice (before LibreOffice existed) when 
a new version of Ubuntu came out. This has changed since then. But to 
get the updated version, I would have to uninstall the OpenOffice 
version that came with Ubuntu, and then install the the updated version 
directly from OpenOffice version. It is quite easy to do in Linux. The 
download version from OpenOffice or LibreOffice isn't as pretty as the 
ones from Ubuntu, but I've never had any issues with anything not 
working. Once when I had the direct OpenOffice version installed, and 
then did an upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu, both their version and 
the OpenOffice version were installed at the same time. The install did 
not pick that up. That created issues with the spell checker not 
working, and the calc spreadsheet not calculating correctly in the 
Ubuntu version. I uninstalled everything related to open office, did a 
clean install of the OpenOffice version, and everything worked 
perfectly. Is it possible you have two different versions installed at 
the same time?


Don

On 08/12/2011 03:52 PM, Mark Stanton wrote:

Not working here.
LO 3.3.3, Fedora 15 (Linux)

Mark Stanton





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[libreoffice-users] Apache - LibreOffice connections (was Re: Libre Office being recommended on MicrosoftAnswers Forums!)

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I have no insight into what Microsoft folks think of the OpenOffice.org -> 
Apache license grant by Oracle.  The ones I know are aware of it. 

There is overlap among contributors at the Apache project and on LibreOffice.  
No one at Apache tells their contributors where they cannot (nor must) 
contribute. 

A little fact-checking:

 1. The Oracle grant was announced on June 1.  The Apache OpenOffice.org 
incubator podling was approved at Apache on June 13.  
.

 2. The transfer is not complete at this time.  The podling is working at how 
to move repositories, http://openoffice.org, etc. preceding a review of the IP 
provenance of everything.  They are also working on making sure that they have 
clear agreement on what the Oracle grant covers.

There have been two monthly status reports (scroll down to OpenOffice.org in 
the alphabetical list of reports):
 2011 July report, 
 2011 August report, 

 3. While there is an announced intention to contribute some source code of IBM 
Lotus Symphony, that has not happened at this point and it probably won't until 
we're clear on (2).  An Apache ODF Toolkit podling was recently approved and 
will receive the code of the ODF Toolkit Union for starters, 
.  This is an independent 
podling at this point.  The mailing lists aren't up just yet.  

 4. I didn't know, until I started working on Apache projects in June, that 
there is an Apache POI Top Level Project (TLP) which is producing a Java API 
for Microsoft Documents .

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:26
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended on 
MicrosoftAnswers Forums!

Hi :)
Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".  
Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few 
weeks ago.  


There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2 
projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in both 
again.  It's  bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so 
it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a "poisoned 
pawn".  I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF, 
effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable.  Then IBM 
donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.  
OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary 
mind-set again.  


Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have taken 
place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting 
"Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead.  Still, it's probably best 
not 
to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel 
especially if it's not directly from MS.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: "jebw...@gmail.com" 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:06:21
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended on 
MicrosoftAnswers Forums!

There's a good possibility the LO recommendation being due to the Gates - 
Ellison feud.  Ellison owns Oracle. Oracle owns OO.  Most know more about OO 
then they do LO.  Hence the reason for MS's LO recommendation. Then there's the 
900lb Gorilla factor:  LO is cost free.  OO looks like it's going to be a for 
$$$ item at Oracle.



On 8/12/2011 9:36 AM, David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "upscope"
> 
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2011 03:07:54 PM Stan Goodman wrote:
>>> On Friday 12 August 2011 00:22:12 planas wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:59 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> On 11/08/2011 20:43, planas wrote:
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:24 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>>> Yes it's true!
>>> I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people
>>> who've bought a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010
>>> that's expired...
>> +1
>> 
>> Where is this happening?
> here's one thread:
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-window
> s_
> install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d69
> 8d- b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9
> 
> By an MVP no less!
 Priceless - getting a plug from the "enemy's" camp.
>>> The logical next step is for somebody to reply to that helpful hint,
>>> and suggest that the fellow go the whole hog and dump his Win7
>>> altogether.
>> +5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
> LOL - Not quite 12 years as it came out in 2000 (Windows Millennium) and you 
>probably got
> WinME after that  ;-)
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2011/8/12 Rob Harriman :
> Hi,
> Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered
> elsewhere.
>
> When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is shot
> to pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included in the
> original.
> It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
> I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this
> assumption is incorrect.

Some people use big words for small things, that's why things like
”fully compatible” is mentioned way too often everywhere. I just
wonder what, using the same terminology, ”partly compatible” would
mean. Maybe that it recognizes the file suffix and then a dialogue
pops up telling you to it can't be opened…?

Just never use anything else than ODF and everything will be fine. You
can export to PDF without any problems in most cases, though. If
people can not read them, they can install LibreOffice or
OpenOffice.org and it won't cost them anything else than disk space
and time. They don't have to buy anything.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, it does crop up quite often but it is still a legitimate question.  

Ideally convert things to doc format if that is possible.  DocX is designed to 
be incompatible with non-MS products imo.  However the LibreOffice 3.4.2 often 
does a better job of read/writing docXs than the 3.3.3 but having both is 
possible if you follow this guide
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
Still neither is perfect at it so trying to stick with Doc is better.

Regards from
Tom :)




From: Rob Harriman 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:59:56
Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

Hi,
Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.

When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is shot to 
pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included in the original.
It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this assumption 
is 
incorrect.

Is there anything that I can do to address these formatting issues, or must I 
convert these .docx files to .doc format before reading them in LO?
Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.4.2 Spellcheck Not Working....

[Mark Stanton]

Not working here.
LO 3.3.3, Fedora 15 (Linux)

Mark Stanton



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[libreoffice-users] Re: looking for help on Base

[NoOp]

On 08/12/2011 11:41 AM, NoOp wrote:
...

> The 3.4.2 (Final)
> gives an SQL error:
> 
> A connection for the following URL was requested
> "sdbc:ado:access:PROVIDER=Microsoft.Jet.
> OLEDB.4.0;DATA
> SOURCE=C:\tempdir\Nwind.mdb".
> 
> Just to be sure, I'm unstalling 3.4.2 & reinstalling 3.3.3 on that
> virtual machine to test in the same environment.
> 
> As for linux... I'm afraid we're stuck with trying odbc. Note:
> libmbdodbc is a individual package (sudo apt-get install libmbdodbc).

LO 3.3.3 (Windows) works on the same WinXP virtual machine. So LO 3.4.2
(Windows) "Safe for production use by most users and enterprises."[1]
doesn't & has a bug.


[1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
"LibreOffice 3.4.2 Final (2011-08-01)

Safe for production use by most users and enterprises."


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[libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

[Rob Harriman]

Hi,
Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered 
elsewhere.


When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is 
shot to pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included 
in the original.

It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this 
assumption is incorrect.


Is there anything that I can do to address these formatting issues, or 
must I convert these .docx files to .doc format before reading them in LO?

Thanks

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[libreoffice-users] Re: looking for help on Base

[NoOp]

On 08/12/2011 03:03 AM, Roberto Scotti wrote:
> Il giorno sab, 06/08/2011 alle 10.25 -0700, NoOp ha scritto:
...
>> I finally managed to get Base to connect to the Access file (old Office
>> 97 Northwind example .mdb) and even list the tables in the file. However
>> when I attempt to view the table LO (and OOo) crashes with no apparent
>> crash info (i.e., LO & OOo simply dismiss). To do that I use a different
>> driver: /usr/lib/libmdbodbc.so.0 instead of /usr/lib/libmdb.so.1. So
>> it's closer than before...
>> 
>> For Roberto: my odbcints.ini entry looks like this:
>> [mdbtools]
>> Description  = MSAccess Driver
>> Driver   = /usr/lib/libmdbodbc.so.0
>> Driver64 =
>> Setup= /usr/lib/libmdbodbc.so.0
>> Setup64  =
>> UsageCount   = 1
>> 
>> and my odbc.ini entry;
>> $ cat /etc/odbc.ini
>> [Northwind]
>> Description  = Northwind Sample Database
>> Driver   = /usr/lib/libmdbodbc.so.0
>> Database = /home/gg/Documents/MyDocuments/Nwind.mdb
> 
> 
> Hello, thanks for posting back.
> I am not interested in ODBC connections.
> Since the site  http://www.libreoffice.org/features/base/   declares
> that Base
> "... provides native-support drivers for some of the most-widely
> employed multi-user database engines: MySQL, Adabas D, MS Access..."
> I expect to have a direct connection as "MDB viewer" has.
> In my /usr/lib/ folder I do not have any libmbdodbc file 
>> rs@rs-XPS-U:~$ ls /usr/lib/libmdb*
>>/usr/lib/libmdb.so.1  /usr/lib/libmdbsql.so.1
>>/usr/lib/libmdb.so.1.0.0  /usr/lib/libmdbsql.so.1.0.0
> I downloaded Nwind.mdb form 
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/access97/Nwind/97/WIN98/EN-US/Nwind.exe
> and, using "MDB viewer" [GMONE MDB 0.5.99.0.6pre1.0.20051109-7ubuntu1
> (mdbtools-gmdb)]  I can see the data in the tables, see the list of
> other objects (views, forms, reports, and macros) export the schema and
> the tables.
> 
> I would expect to have at least as much fom Base or is ti not possible?
> Many thanks again, roberto

It's possible in the Windows 3.3.3 Final version. Doesn't work in the
Windows 3.4.2 version. I tested both in WinXP on separate virtual
machines & both have options to connect to MS Access & MS Access 2007.
The 3.3.3 install
LibreOffice 3.3.3
OOO330m19 (Build:301)
tag libreoffice-3.3.3.1
connects & shows the tables to the nwind.mdb. The 3.4.2 (Final)
gives an SQL error:

A connection for the following URL was requested
"sdbc:ado:access:PROVIDER=Microsoft.Jet.
OLEDB.4.0;DATA
SOURCE=C:\tempdir\Nwind.mdb".

Just to be sure, I'm unstalling 3.4.2 & reinstalling 3.3.3 on that
virtual machine to test in the same environment.

As for linux... I'm afraid we're stuck with trying odbc. Note:
libmbdodbc is a individual package (sudo apt-get install libmbdodbc).



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Lol, oooh, that's not fair! It would be like asking if the OS was designed to 
be 
secure from the ground-up rather than slapping a tin roof on-top of a crumbling 
structure.  This list is not meant to be a fight between fanboys of different 
OSes.  LibreOffice works on all and all are welcome.  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Johnny Rosenberg 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 18:40:11
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft 
Answers Forums!

2011/8/12 Gordon Burgess-Parker :
> On 12/08/2011 00:24, upscope wrote:
>>
>> +5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
>
> I can understand that! Win ME was worse than Vista (if that's possible!(.
> However, using both Linux and Windows 7 I can say that Win 7 is actually not
> bad.

Does that mean that it has multiple desktops and that the drive
letters are gone?


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

> (All we need to do now is to get Windows 7 users to STOP running as Admin on
> a daily basis - it really ain't necessary on Win 7)
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended on MicrosoftAnswers Forums!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".  
Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few 
weeks ago.  


There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2 
projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in both 
again.  It's  bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so 
it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a "poisoned 
pawn".  I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF, 
effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable.  Then IBM 
donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.  
OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary 
mind-set again.  


Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have taken 
place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting 
"Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead.  Still, it's probably best 
not 
to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel 
especially if it's not directly from MS.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: "jebw...@gmail.com" 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:06:21
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended on 
MicrosoftAnswers Forums!

There's a good possibility the LO recommendation being due to the Gates - 
Ellison feud.  Ellison owns Oracle. Oracle owns OO.  Most know more about OO 
then they do LO.  Hence the reason for MS's LO recommendation. Then there's the 
900lb Gorilla factor:  LO is cost free.  OO looks like it's going to be a for 
$$$ item at Oracle.



On 8/12/2011 9:36 AM, David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "upscope"
> 
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2011 03:07:54 PM Stan Goodman wrote:
>>> On Friday 12 August 2011 00:22:12 planas wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:59 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> On 11/08/2011 20:43, planas wrote:
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:24 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>>> Yes it's true!
>>> I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people
>>> who've bought a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010
>>> that's expired...
>> +1
>> 
>> Where is this happening?
> here's one thread:
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-window
> s_
> install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d69
> 8d- b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9
> 
> By an MVP no less!
 Priceless - getting a plug from the "enemy's" camp.
>>> The logical next step is for somebody to reply to that helpful hint,
>>> and suggest that the fellow go the whole hog and dump his Win7
>>> altogether.
>> +5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
> LOL - Not quite 12 years as it came out in 2000 (Windows Millennium) and you 
>probably got
> WinME after that  ;-)
> 

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Oops.  It is Most Valued Professional.  

Microsoft seems to be re-arranging the deck chairs on microsoft.com.  Here's a 
different view into the program: < http://blogs.msdn.com/b/mvpawardprogram/>.  
There's a Facebook page too [;<).

-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:59
To: 'users@global.libreoffice.org'
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft 
Answers Forums!

[The MVP page seems to have moved, so here's a text explanation]

MVP = Most Valued Player

It is an award (made annually) from Microsoft to non-Microsoft people who make 
significant contributions to the community of Microsoft product adopters.  The 
awards tend to be identified with a particular product group (e.g., Developer 
products, Office, Sharepoint, etc.)

The MVP receives free access to tools and products and early previews.  MVPs 
are also invited to periodic Microsoft MVP Summits where early releases are 
disclosed, advice is solicited from Microsoft, etc.

While MVPs tend to be expert in a Microsoft technology, that does not mean they 
are constrained in their breadth of knowledge or contribution in forums, etc.  
It is not unusual to see a recommendation about the use of non-Microsoft 
technology, or how to inter-op with non-Microsoft technology.  It is not 
commonplace either, mostly because of the focus of the forums and what forum 
users tend to have their attention on.

In the case at hand, two different MVPs responded and there were a variety of 
solutions offered, one of which was use of LibreOffice.

What I find odd is that an OEM Windows 7 computer, if recent, is more likely to 
come with Microsoft Office Starter edition.  It may well be that the user 
simply failed to register it, in that case.  I see, however, that some OEMs 
preload a trial edition (sometimes both), and this seems to confuse matters.

Most folks are probably unaware that the built-in Windows 7 WordPad application 
will open and produce ODF Text documents, and also rtf and docx, but not .doc.  
The functionality is rather limited though (more on the lines of the old 
Windows Write application).

Another way of handling the situation also mentioned on that forum is to use 
the free Web applications for Microsoft Office.  There are features that don't 
work there, but it can be handy in a pinch.

Some folks just want to help users without co-opting them into some sort of 
ideological warfare.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Gordon Burgess-Parker [mailto:gbpli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:14
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft 
Answers Forums!

On 12/08/2011 18:09, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> What is an MVP??
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/aboutmvp

:P

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The link you gave in an earlier post led to another link where MS use the word 
"Professional" rather than "Player" even tho they obviously don't pay the MVPs. 
 


MS make a lot of money from their Office Suite so it's not a huge surprise that 
they don't mention that WordPad has a lot more functionality than most people 
are aware of.  What is a surprise is that WordPad has a lot more functionality 
than it had a decade or so ago (when i last looked at it).  


MS support for ODF is the older 1.1 or 1.0 standard rather than the newer 1.2 
(Extended) that is used by default in LibreOffice and other apps.

I have found this thread very interesting and a major boost to morale.  
Thanks everyone, especially Dennis & Gordon :)
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 18:58:35
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft 
Answers Forums!

[The MVP page seems to have moved, so here's a text explanation]

MVP = Most Valued Player

It is an award (made annually) from Microsoft to non-Microsoft people who make 
significant contributions to the community of Microsoft product adopters.  The 
awards tend to be identified with a particular product group (e.g., Developer 
products, Office, Sharepoint, etc.)

The MVP receives free access to tools and products and early previews.  MVPs 
are 
also invited to periodic Microsoft MVP Summits where early releases are 
disclosed, advice is solicited from Microsoft, etc.

While MVPs tend to be expert in a Microsoft technology, that does not mean they 
are constrained in their breadth of knowledge or contribution in forums, etc.  
It is not unusual to see a recommendation about the use of non-Microsoft 
technology, or how to inter-op with non-Microsoft technology.  It is not 
commonplace either, mostly because of the focus of the forums and what forum 
users tend to have their attention on.

In the case at hand, two different MVPs responded and there were a variety of 
solutions offered, one of which was use of LibreOffice.

What I find odd is that an OEM Windows 7 computer, if recent, is more likely to 
come with Microsoft Office Starter edition.  It may well be that the user 
simply 
failed to register it, in that case.  I see, however, that some OEMs preload a 
trial edition (sometimes both), and this seems to confuse matters.

Most folks are probably unaware that the built-in Windows 7 WordPad application 
will open and produce ODF Text documents, and also rtf and docx, but not .doc.  
The functionality is rather limited though (more on the lines of the old 
Windows 
Write application).

Another way of handling the situation also mentioned on that forum is to use 
the 
free Web applications for Microsoft Office.  There are features that don't work 
there, but it can be handy in a pinch.

Some folks just want to help users without co-opting them into some sort of 
ideological warfare.

- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Gordon Burgess-Parker [mailto:gbpli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:14
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft 
Answers Forums!

On 12/08/2011 18:09, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> What is an MVP??
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/aboutmvp

:P

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended on MicrosoftAnswers Forums!

[jebw...@gmail.com]

There's a good possibility the LO recommendation being due to the Gates 
- Ellison feud.  Ellison owns Oracle. Oracle owns OO.  Most know more 
about OO then they do LO.  Hence the reason for MS's LO recommendation. 
Then there's the 900lb Gorilla factor:  LO is cost free.  OO looks like 
it's going to be a for $$$ item at Oracle.




On 8/12/2011 9:36 AM, David H. Lipman wrote:

From: "upscope"


On Thursday, August 11, 2011 03:07:54 PM Stan Goodman wrote:

On Friday 12 August 2011 00:22:12 planas wrote:

On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:59 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 11/08/2011 20:43, planas wrote:

Gordon

On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:24 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

Yes it's true!
I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people
who've bought a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010
that's expired...

+1

Where is this happening?

here's one thread:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-window
s_
install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d69
8d- b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9

By an MVP no less!

Priceless - getting a plug from the "enemy's" camp.

The logical next step is for somebody to reply to that helpful hint,
and suggest that the fellow go the whole hog and dump his Win7
altogether.

+5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.

LOL - Not quite 12 years as it came out in 2000 (Windows Millennium) and you 
probably got
WinME after that  ;-)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[jebw...@gmail.com]

Every OS Microsoft publishes tries to remove the User from the systems 
operation side of the equation.  Personally, I take offense by their 
attempts to lock me out of folders on my own computer.  Regardless of a 
the tonnage of lipstick slapped on a pig, it's still a pig.


Windows 7 is just another attempt to push Users further away from being 
able to control their own systems.


For this reason, most all applications being selected for use now and in 
the future have Linux compatibility so the transition curve isn't a 
series of switchbacks.


In time, 2-3 years, use of XP will become untenable and a version of 
Linux used from there on.


On 8/12/2011 2:19 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 12/08/2011 00:24, upscope wrote:

+5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
I can understand that! Win ME was worse than Vista (if that's 
possible!(. However, using both Linux and Windows 7 I can say that Win 
7 is actually not bad.
(All we need to do now is to get Windows 7 users to STOP running as 
Admin on a daily basis - it really ain't necessary on Win 7)




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

[The MVP page seems to have moved, so here's a text explanation]

MVP = Most Valued Player

It is an award (made annually) from Microsoft to non-Microsoft people who make 
significant contributions to the community of Microsoft product adopters.  The 
awards tend to be identified with a particular product group (e.g., Developer 
products, Office, Sharepoint, etc.)

The MVP receives free access to tools and products and early previews.  MVPs 
are also invited to periodic Microsoft MVP Summits where early releases are 
disclosed, advice is solicited from Microsoft, etc.

While MVPs tend to be expert in a Microsoft technology, that does not mean they 
are constrained in their breadth of knowledge or contribution in forums, etc.  
It is not unusual to see a recommendation about the use of non-Microsoft 
technology, or how to inter-op with non-Microsoft technology.  It is not 
commonplace either, mostly because of the focus of the forums and what forum 
users tend to have their attention on.

In the case at hand, two different MVPs responded and there were a variety of 
solutions offered, one of which was use of LibreOffice.

What I find odd is that an OEM Windows 7 computer, if recent, is more likely to 
come with Microsoft Office Starter edition.  It may well be that the user 
simply failed to register it, in that case.  I see, however, that some OEMs 
preload a trial edition (sometimes both), and this seems to confuse matters.

Most folks are probably unaware that the built-in Windows 7 WordPad application 
will open and produce ODF Text documents, and also rtf and docx, but not .doc.  
The functionality is rather limited though (more on the lines of the old 
Windows Write application).

Another way of handling the situation also mentioned on that forum is to use 
the free Web applications for Microsoft Office.  There are features that don't 
work there, but it can be handy in a pinch.

Some folks just want to help users without co-opting them into some sort of 
ideological warfare.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Gordon Burgess-Parker [mailto:gbpli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:14
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft 
Answers Forums!

On 12/08/2011 18:09, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> What is an MVP??
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/aboutmvp

:P

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: New user to BASE

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It would be great to put all that effort into developing Base, or managing the 
project to attract a few devs into that part of the project.  It's not 
something 
a single person can do tho.  It needs a LOT of people to jump into it.  I guess 
that is why so many people work on various different single-purpose front-ends. 
 


There is no management bringing all those people together so each person ends 
up 
feeling like they are very alone.  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Alexander Thurgood 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 17:01:21
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: New user to BASE

Le 11/08/11 15:46, Wayne a écrit :

> Would you include Python in that list?
> Wayne

Sure, any programming language that allows you to build a graphically
driven frontend. AFAIK, Python can do that with tcl, wx, gtk, and no
doubt other graphical toolkits so why not ? ;-)


I actually went scouring for stuff like that the other day on
sourceforge because I need to have a frontend I can design, implement
and distribute over a network and multiple-OSes. I haven't had time to
try the various bits out yet though, most of which looks PHP-based (but
only because I have a vague understanding of PHP - my python skills are
way too low to attempt something like that at the moment, but I did give
it some thought :-))

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2011/8/12 Gordon Burgess-Parker :
> On 12/08/2011 00:24, upscope wrote:
>>
>> +5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
>
> I can understand that! Win ME was worse than Vista (if that's possible!(.
> However, using both Linux and Windows 7 I can say that Win 7 is actually not
> bad.

Does that mean that it has multiple desktops and that the drive
letters are gone?


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

> (All we need to do now is to get Windows 7 users to STOP running as Admin on
> a daily basis - it really ain't necessary on Win 7)
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks.  "Most Valuable Person" sounds like the equivalent of a fairly average 
member of the LibreOffice community.  Everyone here is a star.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Gordon Burgess-Parker 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 18:14:23
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft 
Answers Forums!

On 12/08/2011 18:09, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> What is an MVP??
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/aboutmvp

:P

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 12/08/2011 18:09, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
What is an MVP??

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/aboutmvp

:P

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
What is an MVP??  Is it Microsoft Certified something Person?
Regards from
Tom :)




From: Gordon Burgess-Parker 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 20:59:05
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft 
Answers Forums!

On 11/08/2011 20:43, planas wrote:
> Gordon
>
> On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:24 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>
>> Yes it's true!
>> I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people who've bought
>> a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010 that's expired...
>>
> +1
>
> Where is this happening?
>
here's one thread:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d698d-b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9


By an MVP no less!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I build only libreoffice-writer instead of whole office suite ?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
It's outside the scope of the users list although there is always a hope that 
Cor or Nuno or someone knows the answer to something like this.  A devs list is 
a much better place to get answers
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Nuno J. Silva 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 21:26:31
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I build only libreoffice-writer 
instead 
of whole office suite ?

On 2011-08-11, planas wrote:

> Partha,
>
> On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 18:07 +0530, Partha Chowdhury wrote: 
>
>> I have successfully build libreoffice-3.3.3.1 form source.However, I 
>> need office only to open and edit word documents and nothing else. So I 
>> want only to build the writer part and not the whole office.I have 
>> googled but have not found anything to this effect.The documentation 
>> covers only building from git and not the individual parts. So is it 
>> possible only to build a part of libreoffice instead of whole suite ?
>
> I might check out the source code,
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffices. I am not sure what you need
> from the list.

The OP asked the list if anyone knows if it is possible to compile just
a single component, instead of the entire suite.

As so far it seems noone knows here, I'd suggest the OP to post his
question to the developers list, at least there I guess more people are
used to play with the build system.

The devs list mailman page:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice

There's also #libreoffice-dev at freenode (IRC).

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended on MicrosoftAnswers Forums!

[David H. Lipman]

From: "upscope" 

> On Thursday, August 11, 2011 03:07:54 PM Stan Goodman wrote:
>> On Friday 12 August 2011 00:22:12 planas wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:59 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
 On 11/08/2011 20:43, planas wrote:
> Gordon
>
> On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:24 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>> Yes it's true!
>> I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people
>> who've bought a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010
>> that's expired...
>
> +1
>
> Where is this happening?

 here's one thread:
 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-window
 s_
 install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d69
 8d- b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9

 By an MVP no less!
>>>
>>> Priceless - getting a plug from the "enemy's" camp.
>>
>> The logical next step is for somebody to reply to that helpful hint,
>> and suggest that the fellow go the whole hog and dump his Win7
>> altogether.
> +5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.

LOL - Not quite 12 years as it came out in 2000 (Windows Millennium) and you 
probably got 
WinME after that  ;-)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.4.2 Spellcheck Not Working....

[Dave Sergeant]

On 12 Aug 2011 at 11:38, nicholasdono...@netscape.net wrote:

> Any progress on this issue?  I've installed it on 4 different systems,
> with different operating systems
>  and have the sme issue, spell-check does not work. 
> 

Spell check working fine here, LO3.4.2 Windows XP SP3, English (UK).

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.4.2 Spellcheck Not Working....

[webmaster for Kracked Press Productions]

On 08/12/2011 11:38 AM, nicholasdono...@netscape.net wrote:

Any progress on this issue?  I've installed it on 4 different systems, with 
different operating systems
  and have the sme issue, spell-check does not work.

Any chance of a patch?


Which version for LibreOffice?  3.3.3, 3.3.4, 3.4.1, 3.4.2, 3.4.3?




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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.4.2 Spellcheck Not Working....

[nicholasdonovan]

Any progress on this issue?  I've installed it on 4 different systems, with 
different operating systems
 and have the sme issue, spell-check does not work. 

Any chance of a patch?

 

 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc will not save file after sheet deleted [FOLLOW-UP]

[jorge]

Hi

I don't know what will be happening. But I think that if in other
computer or program LO 3.3.2 you don't have problem to use the
file, ...the file ins't corrupted and newer LO neither.

I think that Vista or the OpenOffice 3.1.0 would lose something as
program by whatever way and / or the computer where you have it
installed has something fisical bad.

I suggest you a probe (If you have some free time):

Why not install again OpenOffice 3.1.0 in other computer and try to use
the file? (With and without new Vista installation)

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez

___

El vie, 12-08-2011 a las 16:04 +1000, Simon Cropper escribió:
> *** Jorge, as I respond to your email I find out a range of things of 
> note, as I try and support or refute my ideas. It is enlightening to 
> read the entire post but you can just as easily jump to >>HERE<< ***
> 
> Sorry Jorge,
> 
> I suppose it is confusing.
> 
> The problem is the corruption due to the insertion of the image is not 
> immediately obvious. Then as the file becomes more progressively more 
> corrupt.
> 
> The sequence was like this
> 1. Cut-and-paste data
> 2. Reinsert images and objects
> 3. Other stuff...
> 4. Issue with comments noted
> 
> What surprised me was after recreating a clean file for use I then ended 
> up with an error popping up. No comments were found anywhere.
> 
> So I stripped the file back to the individual components -- data, 
> format, images, etc. Adding each one separately then testing extensively.
> 
> On adding the images I noted some funny stuff happening to the file 
> size. as I saved, re-saved, deleted sheets, re-saved, etc... I noticed 
> that the file showed more problems rendering images (images disappeared 
> as well as references to files disappeared). Soon afterwards the file 
> had problems saving after deletion of the sheet.
> 
> So I presume that the images caused the corruption of the structure, the 
> problem progressively got worse, then the comments field tipped the 
> scale and caused the error in saving after the deletion of the sheet. 
> anyway that seems as plausible as any explanation I have seen already.
> 
> As stated I am unable to reproduce these errors on new files. despite 
> trying repeatedly for hours.
> 
> As stated previously I was able to shake the problem by 
> cutting-and-pasting the data into the spreadsheet. This included 
> everything images and all. I could not trigger the error despite hours 
> of testing. Consequently I posted the 'solution' to this thread.
> 
> After several hours of adding and deleting data, the problem reappeared.
> 
> As stated I then recreated the file including data-formula-format, minus 
> other objects then progressively built up the file until it mimicked the 
> original. Each step I tested, retested and checked yet again. In the end 
> I noted things got 'wonky' after insertion of the images-artwork. this 
> did not particularly make sense to me but I persisted in splitting the 
> objects being inserted in the document until I could identify the 
> culprit. This eventually identified a single image (originally a GIF 
> that was converted to a PNG). Add this image to the sheet and 
> progressively problems appear. If I recreate a PNG file using GIMP and 
> insert this I can't get the problems to appear. This is using the same 
> file, data and files - side by side. Very confusing.
> 
> There is only two conclusions
> (a) that the file is corrupt, something corrupted it and at present the 
> first thing I notice a problem occurring after it is inserted is this 
> image.
> (b) that LO accesses and manipulated the file incorrectly. In other 
> words their is a bug in the code.
> 
> As I am not inclined to post a file with all my financial details on the 
> Internet, and I have no other versions of LO around to test the second 
> theory I am in a quantry.
> 
>  >>HERE<<<
> 
> Well... As it turns out I have an old version of OpenOffice 3.1.0 
> OOO310m11 (Build: 9399) lying around on an old Windows Vista laptop I 
> was unaware about.
> 
> Exact same file (except for one computer is accessing the local drive 
> and the other a SAMBA network drive)...
> - LO baulks with the error "blah blah unable to write"
> - OO does not! Wh?
> 
> Alright I am on Ununtu. I opened a copy of the file via nautilus from a 
> local drive mounted using fstab - the error occurs. If I use nautilus to 
> locate and access the same samba share the windows machine used - the 
> error occurs.
> 
> Somehow I am relieved.
> 
> OK, I test using another machine ubuntu-ubuntu using LO 3.3.2, both via 
> a NFS mount and Samba share. Both sheet deletions and saved worked on 
> the exact same file that my machine baulks with - that is the error did 
> not occur.
> 
> I am bloody confused! The problem is "computer specific and file 
> specific". As part of the entire exercise I completely uninstalled every 
> LO related package and reinstalled them with all the d

Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc will not save file after sheet deleted [FOLLOW-UP]

[Bill Gradwohl]

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On 08/11/2011 09:52 PM, Simon Cropper wrote:
> 
>cat content.xml | sed -e 's/>/>\n/g' > content_with_linebreaks.xml
> 

Thats potentially dangerous, as you could have embedded greater than
signs in your data.

Use XML Copy Editor (http://xml-copy-editor.sourceforge.net/) to pretty
print and work on the pretty print copy.

Or

Use xmllint to pretty print a version via :
xmllint --format content.xml >content.xml.pp

Better still canonicalize the xml and then pretty print it if you want
to use any diff routines to highlight changes between versions.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_XML

xmllint --c14n content.xml|xmllint --format - >
content.xml.cannonicalized.pp

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Works import

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
All good :)  Sounds like the problem can be pin-pointed to fairly specific 
releases, such as the newer ones that a lot of people are using.  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Dave Sergeant 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 13:26:13
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Works import

On 12 Aug 2011 at 12:49, Tom Davies wrote:

> Annoyingly (& not your fault) the url is not clickable but it is better
> practice to copy&paste a url into a web-browser for security reasons. 
> Adding an attachment was smart but it opened fine for me in Ubuntu 10.04
> using LibreOffice 3.3.2.  

It is clickable in my email copy (Pegasus Mail)...

It is known to work correctly in LO3.3 series and seems to have 
appeared in v3.4. Somebody has just commented that it works also in GO-
OO 3.3.

> 
> So, the report is far better than most people's.  The devs might ask for
> further detail when they get time to go through the report, as that is a
> standard thing for them to do.  It's better than having an excessively
> long report full of irrelevant details.  Even tho LibreOffice has a ton
> of devs it could be a few weeks before they get around to it.  

Thanks. Will wait for the response. Looking over some other bug reports 
it seems it may take a little while... 
> 
> Congrats and nicely done.
> 
> Can you install the LibreOffice 3.3.3 alongside your current version of
> LibreOffice just to see if that has more success opening the file or are
> you already using the 3.3.x branch?  

Since others have shown it works in v3.3 I will leave it at that.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS Works import

[Dave Sergeant]

On 12 Aug 2011 at 12:49, Tom Davies wrote:

> Annoyingly (& not your fault) the url is not clickable but it is better
> practice to copy&paste a url into a web-browser for security reasons. 
> Adding an attachment was smart but it opened fine for me in Ubuntu 10.04
> using LibreOffice 3.3.2.  

It is clickable in my email copy (Pegasus Mail)...

It is known to work correctly in LO3.3 series and seems to have 
appeared in v3.4. Somebody has just commented that it works also in GO-
OO 3.3.
 
> 
> So, the report is far better than most people's.  The devs might ask for
> further detail when they get time to go through the report, as that is a
> standard thing for them to do.  It's better than having an excessively
> long report full of irrelevant details.  Even tho LibreOffice has a ton
> of devs it could be a few weeks before they get around to it.  

Thanks. Will wait for the response. Looking over some other bug reports 
it seems it may take a little while... 
> 
> Congrats and nicely done.
> 
> Can you install the LibreOffice 3.3.3 alongside your current version of
> LibreOffice just to see if that has more success opening the file or are
> you already using the 3.3.x branch?  

Since others have shown it works in v3.3 I will leave it at that.

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Date Format in Writer

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
Unambiguous is best.  It is just really nice to know there are ISO standards 
that happen to fit my slightly mad preferences  ;)
Regards from
Tom :)





From: nvrk 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 6:16:34
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Date Format in Writer

FWIW -  I prefer mmmdd or ddmmm where the 'm' is alphabetic; -
unambiguous!
nvsoar

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:

> On Thursday 11 August 2011 22:40:04 planas wrote:
> > Johnny
> >
> > On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 12:36 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> > > 2011/8/11 Tom Davies :
> > > > Hi :)
> > > > Ahhah, great.  I prefer dashes - because after reading too much
> > > > for too long my eyes get a bit muddled when people use / and
> > > > dots still seem to confuse obscure Windows systems sometimes.  I
> > > > was told that the / was the European Standard but if - are used
> > > > in one other country then that helps me argue the case with my
> > > > boss.
> > >
> > > I though that ”/” was the US standard… Here (Sweden) we follow the
> > > ISO8601, except for time. Seems like we use dots instead of colons.
> >
> > "/" with mm/dd/ is the normal US standard (sometimes mm.dd.
> > because "/" is mis interpreted in file names). Most Americans who
> > have dealt with international trade are comfortable with either US
> > or ISO styles and for dates.
> >
> > > Wish we and the rest of the world could just adapt the ISO 8601.
> > > There is a reason for why it was created… And personally I use it
> > > all the time. And of course every ”dygn” (sorry, there is no
> > > English translation for that word - yet…) is 24 hours, so why that
> > > silly 12 hour thing? If all analogue watches were made 24 hours,
> > > you could very easily also use it as a compass, at least when you
> > > can see the sun (if the hour hand point to the sun, then 24, or
> > > rather 0, will point to north, 6 to east, 12 to south and 18 to
> > > west). How can it be easier than that?
> >
> > When I was in elementary school we were taught a 12 hour cycle with
> > AM and PM to determine if it was morning or afternoon/evening. The
> > US military, I believe, uses the 24 hour clock because 0900 is
> > always in the morning while evening equivalent 2100 is always in the
> > evening/night, much less likely to be misunderstood.
> >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Johnny Rosenberg
> > > ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
> > > 2011-08-11 12:36:51
> > >
> > > > Regards from
> > > > Tom :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: Johnny Rosenberg 
> > > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 11:18:39
> > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Date Format in Writer
> > > >
> > > > 2011/8/11  :
> > > >> To avoid confusion between the mm.dd. and the dd.mm.
> > > >> date formats can
> > > >>
> > > >>we have the less ambiguous
> > > >>
> > > >> "International"
> > > >
> > > > It IS international, it's ISO 8601 (and also Swedish standard,
> > > > lucky me… ;P)! Except that there should be dashes, not dots:
> > > > -mm-dd.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > >
> > > > Johnny Rosenberg
> > > > ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
> > > >
> > > >> .mm.dd format included as an option (default?) in the fields
> > > >> for Writer?
> > > >>
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> mixed envirenment and trying to juggle mm/dd/ and dd/mm/. I
> wonder how many schedules or appointments have been missed, how much
> money lost, because of misinterpreting 8/11/2011 as a 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Source RPM

[nux]

n...@li.nux.ro writes:


Hello,

Anyone knows where the source rpm that generates the RPM binaries are?
I'm very interested in seeing how LO gets built as I currently have some 
dependency problems on Centos6.


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I'm answering myself so we have a record of this:

"they [the rpms] don't come from a src.rpm. Those ones come via "epm" 
easy-package-manager or something which is able to make

debs/rpms/solaris packages etc."

Thanks Caolan on irc.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Works import

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Looks good to me.  It's not too long and gets to the point quickly.  

Annoyingly (& not your fault) the url is not clickable but it is better 
practice 
to copy&paste a url into a web-browser for security reasons.  Adding an 
attachment was smart but it opened fine for me in Ubuntu 10.04 using 
LibreOffice 
3.3.2.  


So, the report is far better than most people's.  The devs might ask for 
further 
detail when they get time to go through the report, as that is a standard thing 
for them to do.  It's better than having an excessively long report full of 
irrelevant details.  Even tho LibreOffice has a ton of devs it could be a few 
weeks before they get around to it.  


Congrats and nicely done.

Can you install the LibreOffice 3.3.3 alongside your current version of 
LibreOffice just to see if that has more success opening the file or are you 
already using the 3.3.x branch?  

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Dave Sergeant 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 9:10:12
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Works import

On 11 Aug 2011 at 17:55, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

> I can confirm your described display of these files on Mac OSX with
> LibreOffice 3.4.2, but as far as I knew, WPS import was never perfect
> anyway.
> 
> FWIW, in LO 3.3.2, the files display differently, with cad7593009
> opening and showing bold and italic formatting. However, the other two
> files do not appear to show paragraph indents, bold or italic either in
> LO 3.3.2, so I would say that the import feature is less than perfect,
> and that something between 3.3.x and 3.4.x now prevents opening of
> certain content stored within WPS files. You'd best open a bug report.
> 

Filed as bug 40032 (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40032)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: looking for help on Base

[Roberto Scotti]

Il giorno sab, 06/08/2011 alle 10.25 -0700, NoOp ha scritto:
> On 08/06/2011 04:31 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
> >>
> >> It appears to still have issues. I'm getting this error:
> >>
> >>
> >> [unixODBC][Driver Manager]Driver's SQLAllocHandle on SQL_HANDLE_HENV failed
> >>
> >> I'll post back when I get it figured out.
> 
> > 
> > Since many years I have never read some write-up where somebody managed 
> > to access mdb under Linux nor Mac.
> > There used to be a read-only driver from an open source project back in 
> > 2005/06. After many months of hard work they gave up further development 
> > when their write access revealed some tendency to destroy the connected 
> > database. Read-only would be just fine for most people, but I can not 
> > even find that version anymore.
> > The Windows drivers are made by Microsoft. Even if they could compile 
> > the same thing for Linux easily, they would never do so.
> > I use to recommend the excellent tools provided by MS Access to export 
> > data, query definitions, doc reports, macros and all sorts of meta 
> > information.
> > The mdb tools are good enough to export usable CSV. Then you can copy 
> > tables from a CSV connected Base document into a database connected Base 
> > document. Like always, mind the locale setting in respect to the decimal 
> > separator and date formats used in the csv.
> > Greetings,
> > Andreas
> > 
> > 
> 
> I finally managed to get Base to connect to the Access file (old Office
> 97 Northwind example .mdb) and even list the tables in the file. However
> when I attempt to view the table LO (and OOo) crashes with no apparent
> crash info (i.e., LO & OOo simply dismiss). To do that I use a different
> driver: /usr/lib/libmdbodbc.so.0 instead of /usr/lib/libmdb.so.1. So
> it's closer than before...
> 
> For Roberto: my odbcints.ini entry looks like this:
> [mdbtools]
> Description   = MSAccess Driver
> Driver= /usr/lib/libmdbodbc.so.0
> Driver64  =
> Setup = /usr/lib/libmdbodbc.so.0
> Setup64   =
> UsageCount= 1
> 
> and my odbc.ini entry;
> $ cat /etc/odbc.ini
> [Northwind]
> Description   = Northwind Sample Database
> Driver= /usr/lib/libmdbodbc.so.0
> Database  = /home/gg/Documents/MyDocuments/Nwind.mdb


Hello, thanks for posting back.
I am not interested in ODBC connections.
Since the site  http://www.libreoffice.org/features/base/   declares
that Base
"... provides native-support drivers for some of the most-widely
employed multi-user database engines: MySQL, Adabas D, MS Access..."
I expect to have a direct connection as "MDB viewer" has.
In my /usr/lib/ folder I do not have any libmbdodbc file 
> rs@rs-XPS-U:~$ ls /usr/lib/libmdb*
>/usr/lib/libmdb.so.1  /usr/lib/libmdbsql.so.1
>/usr/lib/libmdb.so.1.0.0  /usr/lib/libmdbsql.so.1.0.0
I downloaded Nwind.mdb form 
http://download.microsoft.com/download/access97/Nwind/97/WIN98/EN-US/Nwind.exe
and, using "MDB viewer" [GMONE MDB 0.5.99.0.6pre1.0.20051109-7ubuntu1
(mdbtools-gmdb)]  I can see the data in the tables, see the list of
other objects (views, forms, reports, and macros) export the schema and
the tables.

I would expect to have at least as much fom Base or is ti not possible?
Many thanks again, roberto





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[libreoffice-users] Source RPM

[nux]

Hello,

Anyone knows where the source rpm that generates the RPM binaries are?
I'm very interested in seeing how LO gets built as I currently have some 
dependency problems on Centos6.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS Works import

[Dave Sergeant]

On 11 Aug 2011 at 17:55, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

> I can confirm your described display of these files on Mac OSX with
> LibreOffice 3.4.2, but as far as I knew, WPS import was never perfect
> anyway.
> 
> FWIW, in LO 3.3.2, the files display differently, with cad7593009
> opening and showing bold and italic formatting. However, the other two
> files do not appear to show paragraph indents, bold or italic either in
> LO 3.3.2, so I would say that the import feature is less than perfect,
> and that something between 3.3.x and 3.4.x now prevents opening of
> certain content stored within WPS files. You'd best open a bug report.
> 

Filed as bug 40032 (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40032)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 12/08/2011 00:24, upscope wrote:

+5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
I can understand that! Win ME was worse than Vista (if that's 
possible!(. However, using both Linux and Windows 7 I can say that Win 7 
is actually not bad.
(All we need to do now is to get Windows 7 users to STOP running as 
Admin on a daily basis - it really ain't necessary on Win 7)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Macro not active when the document start

[toto]

Thank you everyone, it solved i'm using new module to execute the 
function, when I open the document. Eventhough I hadn't try it with 
another computer. Yes, I change the variable to double, I think there is 
no different with currency.


On 08/12/2011 03:02 AM, planas wrote:

On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 11:17 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:

   

Am 10.08.2011 09:23, toto wrote:
 

I'm using macro's function and it doesn't start when the document start.
It would start if I change the value of the variabel at the function.
The code is to change numeric value to string. If I execute the code:
ubah(123) the result is "seratus dua puluh tiga". Any idea how to make
the function executed when I open the document?

The code is:

Public Function ubah(x as currency) as String
   

Currency is not a valid type to be used in a spreadsheet.
  From the Basic perspective all spreadsheet values are doubles or
string, errors are Null, empty cells are empty strings. There are no
"date values" in particular.
 

Subtle little gotcha, use dates/time and currencies in the spreadsheet but the 
value must be converted to a valid Basic data type.

   

This function works as expected:
Function DOUBLE(n as Double)
   DOUBLE = n *2
End Function

This function returns a text value.
Function DOUBLE_CURR(n as Currency)
   DOUBLE_CURR = n *2
End Function

I can not reproduce the recalculation problem, though.
Both versions of the above functions recalculate when I load the
document or when I modify A1 with auto-cacluation enabled.
A1 =PI()
=DOUBLE(A1) =>  6.2832 (number)
=DOUBLE_CURR(A1) =>  6.2832 (text)


 



   



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