date:20110913

Hi :)
Please post as a feature-request / wishlist item.  

I think the way to do that is opst a normal bug-report but add "[wishlist]" to 
the start of the subject-line and change one of the drop-downs (i think 
severity) to feature request.  Something like that.  This guide might help a 
bit but it tries to help gather info for a normal bug-report so a lot of it 
might not be relevant.  
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

Note that some people on the Users List are unrealistic about blocking 
communications and blocking co-operation with the world outside OepnSource but 
it's not a widely held notion so don't worry if you get some very strange 
answers here.
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: draganb 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Digital signing MS format documents
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 8:46

Hi all,
we started using LibreOffice as an alternative to MS Office in our
organization, on some of the computers. It all started well, but we've hit a
wall with digital signing. As I understand, the document must be in
OpenDocument format for the signing to work. The problem is that we will not
be able to use the LibreOffice native format in the near future and we are
stuck with the MS formats for which the signing doesn't work.

Is there any way around this? Or maybe I should post this as a feature
request?

Thanks,
Dragan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] apply style / lay out to text

2011-09-13 Thread Sigrid Carrera

Hi Jaap, 

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:14:35 +0200
"Jaap Bosman"  wrote:

> new text copied from other source is not in right lay out, want to apply   
> standard lay out to this piece of text.
> how to do that?

When you copy from another source, insert with CTRL+Shift+V instead
of only CTRL+V. There you can choose to insert as "text only". Once
you did this, you can then apply the formatting you want.

If you cannot "recopy" the text that is already copied, you could
mark this text, go to Format > Default formatting and once this is
done, you can apply again the formatting that you want. 

Hope this helps. 

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] integration of styles management between writer and impress

On 12/09/2011, Paul D. Mirowsky  wrote:
> I would far rather see "Writer" with a presentation mode than the way
> things are now.
>

Could you explain how this would work in practice please? The next
stage is to make a feature request and as such it would be prudent to
discuss within this mailing list before making the feature request via
the formal procedure (which I haven't read yet to be honest).

> Unified table handling, flow of text from "Writer" with the fancy page
> changes as an add-on to page handling.
>

I'm not sure about consistent table and text flow behaviour because
the default page size for writer is a4 portrait, whilst in impress the
slide orientation is landscape.

> In "Document" mode, everything is as is in "Writer", in "Presentation"
> mode Impress takes over, but not to the point of the better handling of
> Writers ability.
>

Personally, this would be confusing the boundary between writer and
impress modules, although perhaps a more fundamental question is
whether these modules should exist. It could be argued that writer and
impress exist merely to imitate m$o's concept of creating presentation
content. From what you are stating, impress as a module should
disappear and a new paradigm be developed of using writer to create
presentation content. So a scenario would be to open writer module in
a default 'document' mode. Perhaps from the menu bar 'view', there
would be an option to select 'presentation' mode (below where 'web
layout' now resides?), which would automatically change the view to
landscape. To view the presentation, a new dialogue window could
appear (perhaps with a window bar title 'impress presentation viewer),
which the user could maximise to full screen mode to show the
presentation.

One minor disadvantage, from a marketing point of view, is that m$
users would complain: "where's the equivalent to powerpoint?".

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Do LO installers have Java Runtime?

Hi :)
Yes, i had assumed that OpenJDK was independant of Oracle but stuff that was 
owned by Sun is generally ownd by Oracle.  OOo seems to be moving to Apache but 
that seems to be an exception to the rule.  

If you can keep java unticked then it's only certain Add-ons / Extensions, some 
wizards and sometimes Base (i think only really if you use the default back-end 
(HqSql) and even then only when you are creating the database although there 
might be a lot more java calls elsewhere in Base).  So, if you run into a 
problem with one of them not working it is probably possible to temporarily 
tick java, complete the task and then untick again.  

Regards from
Tom :)


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From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Do LO installers have Java Runtime?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 4:26

On 09/12/2011 10:12 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 09/12/2011 06:34 PM, David B Teague sr wrote:
>> On 9/12/2011 5:32 PM, Tom wrote:
> ...
>>> So, there is a huge amount i don't know about java.  If you can untick the
>>> java from your LibreOffice and have no troubles then that would be
>>> fantastic.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
> ...
>> Tom:
>> 
>> Damn. I was under the impression that OpenJDK was a free implementation
>> by someone other than Oracle. I'll untick Java in LO and see what
>> happens. I'd like to be Java free. No make that Oracle free. I dislike
>> them far more than I dislike Java.
>> 
>> I taught computer science from 1978 to 2004 and saw our department move
>> from Fortran to Pascal to C++ then take a huge step backward and go to
>> Java. I retired rather than learn Java. Lots of other good reasons to
>> retire too but that's the story I tell.
> David,
> 
> Just install the current versions of java via java.com (Win32 and Win64:
> http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp) on your system and be done with
> all of this. Note: you only need the 32bit version for LO, so you can
> skip the 64bit version if none of your 64bit applications need it.
> 
> Afterwards open LO and select Tools|Options|LibreOffice|Java|tick 'Use a
> Java runtime environment' if it is not already ticked, and then select:
> Sun Microsystems, Inc. 1.60_27|OK. It's really that simple.
> 
> Re: OpenJDK:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK
> http://openjdk.java.net/faq/
> 
> Regarding Java 1.7:
> http://java.com/en/download/faq/java7.xml
> 
> Regarding Java + LO:
> 
> 
> For certain features of the software - but not most - Java is required.
> Java is notably required for Base.
> 
> Note: it's also required for several 'Wizards' (File|Wizards).
> 
> Regarding versions other than the most recent standard versions (ala 21
> vs 26): do so *only* at your own risk. Earlier versions of java contain
> serious security risks&  those advocating that you use something else
> are... I'll not go on&  nuff said in other threads.

Well, Oracle may have OpenJDK on their site, but they did not have a Windows 
version.  I had to go to the following site to find a Windows and Mac installer 
that the openjdk.java.net did not have.

http://openscg.org/se/openjdk/index.jsp

Also, it was Java.NET, where you link was Java.COM.

So there is some issues with who's OpenJDK version you are going to use.

[quote from the WIKI page]
OpenJDK (aka Open Java Development Kit) is a free and open source 
implementation of the Java programming language.[2] It is the result of an 
effort Sun Microsystems began in 2006. The implementation is licensed under the 
GNU General Public License (GPL) with a linking exception, which exempts 
components of the Java class library from the GPL licensing terms.

OpenJDK will become the official Java SE 7 reference implementation.[3]
[unquote]

So it is open source, but it seems to be part of the Java system.  By the Way - 
When I downloaded the JRE for Windows, it was under Java SE not JRE.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

Le 13/09/11 09:46, draganb a écrit :

Hi Dragan,

> Hi all,
> we started using LibreOffice as an alternative to MS Office in our
> organization, on some of the computers. It all started well, but we've hit a
> wall with digital signing. As I understand, the document must be in
> OpenDocument format for the signing to work. The problem is that we will not
> be able to use the LibreOffice native format in the near future and we are
> stuck with the MS formats for which the signing doesn't work.
> 
> Is there any way around this? Or maybe I should post this as a feature
> request?

The problem with digitally signing someone else's document format is
that one has to know at what level the signature intervenes, i.e. is
this MSOffice specification fully documented ? If it isn't, then

1) it would probably be a fairly significant task to attempt to reverse
engineer the job so that it works with the docx/xlsx export filters ; and

2) it may not even be legal to do so under the terms of the DMCA without
approval from Microsoft.

As I know nothing about the specification for managing and implementing
digital signatures into docx/xlsx documents, I really don't know.

When you open your feature request bug report, it would be a good idea
if you could find documentation pointing to the implementation details,
since that would give any potentially interested developer a headstart.



Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] apply style / lay out to text

2011-09-13 Thread Jaap Bosman

Thank you,  I would just like also to change lay out, and the  
format>default format is not in my libreoffice.
applying the format is the problem. I did make a wishlist but report on  
this.

thanks again

Op Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:54:36 +0200 schreef Sigrid Carrera  
:



Hi Jaap,

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:14:35 +0200
"Jaap Bosman"  wrote:


new text copied from other source is not in right lay out, want to apply
standard lay out to this piece of text.
how to do that?


When you copy from another source, insert with CTRL+Shift+V instead
of only CTRL+V. There you can choose to insert as "text only". Once
you did this, you can then apply the formatting you want.

If you cannot "recopy" the text that is already copied, you could
mark this text, go to Format > Default formatting and once this is
done, you can apply again the formatting that you want.

Hope this helps.

Sigrid




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[libreoffice-users] Re: drawing file opens maths editor

Le 13/09/11 00:41, e-letter a écrit :

Hi,

Looks to me as though the import filter is broken or non-operationnel,
or alternatively the FlatXML output is incorrect. When I open the file,
it appears in Writer as XML. I get options to choose the codepage, font
and language.

Tested with 3.3.4, 3.4.2, LibO-daily 3.5 test build.

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] apply style / lay out to text

Hi :)
Could you paste a link to the bug-report/wishlist thread in here?  It might 
help people in the future if they have searched out this thread.  

Are you saying that after pasting it is difficult to select the pasted text and 
apply formatting?
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Tue, 13/9/11, Jaap Bosman  wrote:

From: Jaap Bosman 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] apply style / lay out to text
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 10:38

Thank you,  I would just like also to change lay out, and the format>default 
format is not in my libreoffice.
applying the format is the problem. I did make a wishlist but report on this.
thanks again

Op Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:54:36 +0200 schreef Sigrid Carrera 
:

> Hi Jaap,
> 
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:14:35 +0200
> "Jaap Bosman"  wrote:
> 
>> new text copied from other source is not in right lay out, want to apply
>> standard lay out to this piece of text.
>> how to do that?
> 
> When you copy from another source, insert with CTRL+Shift+V instead
> of only CTRL+V. There you can choose to insert as "text only". Once
> you did this, you can then apply the formatting you want.
> 
> If you cannot "recopy" the text that is already copied, you could
> mark this text, go to Format > Default formatting and once this is
> done, you can apply again the formatting that you want.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Sigrid
> 

vriendelijke groeten
Jaap Bosman

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Re: [libreoffice-users] apply style / lay out to text

2011-09-13 Thread Sigrid Carrera

Hello Jaap, 

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:38:14 +0200
"Jaap Bosman"  wrote:

> Thank you,  I would just like also to change lay out, and the  
> format>default format is not in my libreoffice.
> applying the format is the problem. I did make a wishlist but report on  
> this.
> thanks again

I am surprised. I run the German version of LibreOffice and
"Standardformatierung" (Default formatting) is the very first entry
under the menu entry "Format" for me.

Which component are you using? Writer? Or something else like Calc or
Impress? If you're using Writer, you can also try to insert copied
text by using CTRL+ALT+Shift+V, this pastes text automatically as
"text only", no formatting. Unfortunately, this combination doesn't
work in the other components. 

And one more question: How did you try to apply your formatting? And
what type of formatting? Paragraph format, character format or page
format? Depending on what you're trying to achieve, you have to apply
different strategies to reach that goal. 

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] copy styles in writer

2011-09-13 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

Hi :)
Hmm, the problem is that there are 2 completely opposite ideas about which 
format the pasted text should be in.  When you quote someone you want to show 
it in their format right? Lol, sadly that is the default.  There is another 
thread about this where Sigrid is saying that 
Ctrl Shift v
or in Writer 
Ctrl Shift Alt v
is the special paste you are looking for.

There is a wish-list somewhere from months ago asking if this way could be made 
the default but i don't have a link easily available.
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: James 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] copy styles in writer
To: "users@global.libreoffice.org >> users-libreoffice Mailing List" 

Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 1:57

I have two documents. docA has a paragraph style docB does NOT have.
Copying text from docA to docB should copy the style, right?
It doesn't. :-(

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Read Error for Graphics

2011-09-13 Thread Tod Hopkins

Similar, but it is not necessarily related to autosave.  I did not have 
autosave on when I first experienced it.  I turned auto-save on because of this 
problem.  I can also say that autosave does not necessarily trigger the problem 
as I've successfully edited documents that have been autosaved multiple times.

Cheers,
   tod

On Sep 11, 2011, at 2:47 PM, NoOp wrote:

> On 09/11/2011 10:46 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/09/11 04:49, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>>> Problem with Writer (v3.3.2) document including graphic images.
>>> After opening, and displaying the image correctly, at some point
>>> during editing all images are replaced with "Read Error" and a
>>> broken link icon.  Undo does not restore.  Closing and reopening
>>> does not restore.  Must revert to earlier version.  Have not been
>>> able to associate with any particular document change and it does
>>> not always happen.  Has happened on several distinct documents.
>>> Does not happen in NeoOffice 3.2.
>>> 
>>> Contributing factor may be that the original document is being
>>> accessed by Mac OS via SMB from linux based server.
> ...
>> Hi. I have had this frequently. I have disabled the autosave
>> functionality as it usually happened after an autosave. It also
>> happens between versions of LO/OO and most frequently with EPS
>> images. I find as soon as you open the document and all images are
>> showing, save it with a save as and from then it seems ok.
>> 
> 
> Perhaps it's this bug?
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33393
> [After autosave image shows read-error and will be lost on save]
> 
> 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: copy styles in writer

2011-09-13 Thread Andreas Säger


Am 13.09.2011 02:57, James wrote:

I have two documents. docA has a paragraph style docB does NOT have.
Copying text from docA to docB should copy the style, right?
It doesn't. :-(



I just tried and it does.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and ovals as polygons

2011-09-13 Thread marshals


NoOp wrote:
> 
> Is it possible for you to upload a sample somewhere? Note: unfortunately
> this list doesn't allow attachments, so perhaps upload via nabble or to
> an alternate site. Also, in order for others to test properly, please
> let us know what operating system you are using, and, how you created
> the polygons and ovals (standard draw shapes, hand crafted/line edit
> points etc).
> 

Yes, I can send the doc, but I don't know how to do it via nabble. 
Otherwise, I could email it you or maybe email a google docs link to you. 
What do you prefer/would be easiest?

This is on Win-7 64-bit.  The polygons/ovals were just standard shapes, with
standard bitmap fills (which are incorrectly printed as rectangles/polygons,
respectively, though with the correct polygon/oval outlines).

Thanks, Simon.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and ovals as polygons

On 09/13/2011 09:34 AM, marshals wrote:

NoOp wrote:

Is it possible for you to upload a sample somewhere? Note: unfortunately
this list doesn't allow attachments, so perhaps upload via nabble or to
an alternate site. Also, in order for others to test properly, please
let us know what operating system you are using, and, how you created
the polygons and ovals (standard draw shapes, hand crafted/line edit
points etc).

Yes, I can send the doc, but I don't know how to do it via nabble.
Otherwise, I could email it you or maybe email a google docs link to you.
What do you prefer/would be easiest?

This is on Win-7 64-bit. The polygons/ovals were just standard shapes, with
standard bitmap fills (which are incorrectly printed as rectangles/polygons,
respectively, though with the correct polygon/oval outlines).

Thanks, Simon.

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How are you creating the polygons? From the shapes listed on the shape
"taskbar" which is at the bottom of the screen layout? I have "Drawing"
checked in the View>Toolbars.

I created a 6 sided poly and printed it out via Cups-PDF. It printed
just fine with 3.4.1 on 64-bit Ubuntu/Debian version. It also printed
fine with Export to PDF.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Adopting LibreOffice in Corporate Environments

2011-09-13 Thread ms777

Simon,

I would consider giving up after one day as bad management...either in
preparation or in execution of the migration. On top of that, costs for M$
products are normally quite low at universities due to academic rebates.  So
the reward to switch to OO/LO is lower.

The best strategy how OO/LO could help in reduction of migration and
acceptance problems is probably compatibility, compatibility, compatibility.
Even if compatibility means being compatibility to something stupid. Once
OO/LO has reached say 30% market share, trials to be better than M$ products
at lower compatibility might be started, but not earlier. Waiting until that
share is reached is not in the nature of the typical volunteer contributing
to OO, I am afraid.

But my problem is different. I am stuck even before migration because of the
anticipated efficiency loss, not because I am afraid of acceptance or
migration problems.

ms777

Simon Johnson-Bégin wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> ... we once agreed, last december, that it was time to implement
> Openoffice in the law library's computers.  I tough that this was a great
> choice and a good step forwarded for the open community.
> The next day after the implementation, lot of students complained about
> Openoffice, saying that it was not the same as what they were accustomed
> in the bast.  i'm sure that they did not tried it that much.  I did not
> agreed with them, butt he directors decided the next day to go back to Ms
> Office.  ...
> Simon
>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:47:34 -0700
>> From: ms...@web.de
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adopting LibreOffice in Corporate
>> Environments
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I lead a department of about 100 people in a German institution. We are
>> on
>> M$ products. From these 100 people
> ...

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and ovals as polygons

On 09/13/2011 06:34 AM, marshals wrote:
> 
> NoOp wrote:
>> 
>> Is it possible for you to upload a sample somewhere? Note: unfortunately
>> this list doesn't allow attachments, so perhaps upload via nabble or to
>> an alternate site. Also, in order for others to test properly, please
>> let us know what operating system you are using, and, how you created
>> the polygons and ovals (standard draw shapes, hand crafted/line edit
>> points etc).
>> 
> 
> Yes, I can send the doc, but I don't know how to do it via nabble. 
> Otherwise, I could email it you or maybe email a google docs link to you. 
> What do you prefer/would be easiest?

Email is fine. Or you could try:
http://www.senduit.com/
You can set the link expiration link from 30 minutes to 1 week.

[OT] Which brings up another issue: the OOo list allowed ODF
attachments. It's too bad that we can't do the same on this list. But
I'll bring that up on the discussions list later.

> 
> This is on Win-7 64-bit.  The polygons/ovals were just standard shapes, with
> standard bitmap fills (which are incorrectly printed as rectangles/polygons,
> respectively, though with the correct polygon/oval outlines).

I can test on Win7 (mine is 64bit as well, but that doesn't matter as LO
is using 32bit), WinXP, and linux. LO versions 3.3.3 and 3.4.3 (others
are easily loaded in linux), and OOo 3.2.0, 3.2.1, 3.3.0, and 3.4.0 (dev).

> 
> Thanks, Simon.

Happy to help if I can.
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[libreoffice-users] Way to remove periods from a cross-reference?

2011-09-13 Thread Steven Shelton


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I have been working on drafting some contracts, and recently discovered
the ability to insert a cross-reference to a specific line when a
paragraph is designated a "numbered list". This is huge for me, because
a large part of my time is spent proofing and correcting documents that
reference a specific provision when I add or remove a line somewhere in
the contract, thus changing the numbering.
 
However, there's a formatting issue that I haven't been able to resolve.
 
Let's say this is a paragraph in the contract:
 
> Responsibilities of the Parties
>
> The parties agree that each has rights and responsibilities that arise
from this agreement. Specific responsibilities include the following:
>
> Responsibilities of the Firm. The Firm will be responsible for:
>
> Providing the legal services set forth in this agreement in a
competent, zealous manner;
>
> Keeping Client informed of progress and developments in the case;
>
> Explaining applicable procedural actions, legal theories, and the
consequences of various courses of action as necessary to help Client
make informed choices;
>
> Providing replies to communications and answers to Client?s questions
within a reasonable time;
>
> Maintaining appropriate confidentiality of materials;
>
> Complying with recognized ethical standards (?Michigan Rules of
Professional Conduct?, ?MRPC?) in dealing with Client, other attorneys
who may participate in issues arising from the case, prosecutors,
co-defendants, the courts, and staff; and
>
> Assigning some or all of the work involved in this matter to other
professionals under the supervision of attorneys employed by the Firm,
including but not limited to paralegals, associate attorneys, and
student interns. Any work done by an attorney assigned to represent
client in any matter?regardless of whether that attorney is a regular
employee of the Firm or not?will be billed to Client at the standard
rates described herein, unless otherwise agreed in advance by Client.
>
 
I can insert a cross-reference to (for example), Paragraph 3(A)(i)(g),
but instead of subparagraphs being designated by parentheses, they are
designated by periods. I can live with that, and I understand why it's
done that way from a programming point of view . . . but there's always
a trailing period, and there never should be. For instance, the
reference to Paragraph 3(A)(i)(g) will print as "Paragraph 3.A.i.g."
when it should print as "Paragraph 3.A.i.g" in the sentence (note the
period at the end of the first example, and the lack thereof in the
second example).
 
Is there any way to get rid of that trailing period?
 
Or, is this something I should report as a bug and hope it gets fixed
(maybe something like "subparagraph dividers should be inserted before
the new subparagraph number, not after the main paragraph number")?
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and ovals as polygons

2011-09-13 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

Hi :)
You can upload to Nabble to keep the attachment with the thread.  

Click on this link to see this thread in Nabble
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Impress-3-4-prints-polygons-as-rectangles-and-ovals-as-polygons-td3329585.html
Click on "Reply" and then "More Options" and "Upload File"
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Tue, 13/9/11, NoOp  wrote:

From: NoOp 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and 
ovals as polygons
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 17:38

On 09/13/2011 06:34 AM, marshals wrote:
> 
> NoOp wrote:
>> 
>> Is it possible for you to upload a sample somewhere? Note: unfortunately
>> this list doesn't allow attachments, so perhaps upload via nabble or to
>> an alternate site. Also, in order for others to test properly, please
>> let us know what operating system you are using, and, how you created
>> the polygons and ovals (standard draw shapes, hand crafted/line edit
>> points etc).
>> 
> 
> Yes, I can send the doc, but I don't know how to do it via nabble. 
> Otherwise, I could email it you or maybe email a google docs link to you. 
> What do you prefer/would be easiest?

Email is fine. Or you could try:
http://www.senduit.com/
You can set the link expiration link from 30 minutes to 1 week.

[OT] Which brings up another issue: the OOo list allowed ODF
attachments. It's too bad that we can't do the same on this list. But
I'll bring that up on the discussions list later.

> 
> This is on Win-7 64-bit.  The polygons/ovals were just standard shapes, with
> standard bitmap fills (which are incorrectly printed as rectangles/polygons,
> respectively, though with the correct polygon/oval outlines).

I can test on Win7 (mine is 64bit as well, but that doesn't matter as LO
is using 32bit), WinXP, and linux. LO versions 3.3.3 and 3.4.3 (others
are easily loaded in linux), and OOo 3.2.0, 3.2.1, 3.3.0, and 3.4.0 (dev).

> 
> Thanks, Simon.

Happy to help if I can.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Way to remove periods from a cross-reference?

2011-09-13 Thread Steven Shelton


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Crap. My message didn't format correctly, which makes it virtually
indecipherable given the context. Let me take another crack at this and
try to explain it more clearly.
 
Here's my problem. Let's assume this is a paragraph in a contract:
>
> 3. Responsibilities of the Parties
>
> A. The parties agree that each has rights and responsibilities that arise
> from this agreement. Specific responsibilities include the following:
>
> i. Responsibilities of the Firm. The Firm will be responsible for:
>
> a. Providing the legal services set forth in this agreement in a
> competent, zealous manner;
>
> b. Keeping Client informed of progress and developments in the case;
>
> c. Explaining applicable procedural actions, legal theories, and the
> consequences of various courses of action as necessary to help Client
> make informed choices;
>
> d. Providing replies to communications and answers to Client?s questions
> within a reasonable time;
>
> e. Maintaining appropriate confidentiality of materials;
>
> f. Complying with recognized ethical standards (?Michigan Rules of
> Professional Conduct?, ?MRPC?) in dealing with Client, other attorneys
> who may participate in issues arising from the case, prosecutors,
> co-defendants, the courts, and staff; and
>
> g. Assigning some or all of the work involved in this matter to other
> professionals under the supervision of attorneys employed by the Firm,
> including but not limited to paralegals, associate attorneys, and
> student interns. Any work done by an attorney assigned to represent
> client in any matter?regardless of whether that attorney is a regular
> employee of the Firm or not?will be billed to Client at the standard
> rates described herein, unless otherwise agreed in advance by Client.
 
 
I might want to insert a cross-reference to (for example), Paragraph
3(A)(i)(g), with a sentence that might read "Client will have the
opportunity to speak in advance to any person who will be assigned work
on his case, as described in Paragraph 3.A.i.g, to the extent that this
is reasonable."
 
However,  there's always a trailing period when you enter the
crossreference, so the sentence would end up reading "Client will have
the opportunity to speak in advance to any person who will be assigned
work on his case, as described in Paragraph 3.A.i.g., to the extent that
this is reasonable."
 
Note the period at the end of the reference in the second example, which
is improper.
 
Is there any way to get rid of that trailing period?
 
 
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[libreoffice-users] Digest Format

2011-09-13 Thread Michael Reich

The format of the LibreOffice digest mail list is driving me crazy.   It 
doesn't seem to be threaded (grouping like messages together) at all and 
it's a huge annoyance to lumber through the topics to see what's in the 
digest.   The old OOO digest was/is much better organized.   Is there a 
way for me to get my digest in a more organized format?


On 9/11/11 1:00 PM, users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:

Topics (messages 10953 through 10982):

[libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request
  10953 - "=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcmVhcyBTw6RnZXI=?=" 

[libreoffice-users] Anyone else having trouble with the OOo templates site?
  10954 - Anthony Papillion 

[libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
  10955 - Anthony Papillion 

[libreoffice-users] Anyone else having trouble with the OOo templates site?
  10956 - Tom Davies 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Tools -> options -> General -> Paths problem.
  10957 - John Williams 

[libreoffice-users] 72 hours plus
  10958 - "David H. Lipman" 

[libreoffice-users] Spreadsheet 'selection list'
  10959 - Jim Croxall 

[libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
  10960 - soumalya ray 

[libreoffice-users] Spreadsheet 'selection list'
  10961 - soumalya ray 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10962 - Tinkerer 
  10976 - Tinkerer 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10963 - Spencer Graves 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Tools -> options -> General -> Paths problem.
  10964 - Tom Davies 

[libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
  10965 - Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10966 - Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 

[libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
  10967 - Dotan Cohen 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10968 - Spencer Graves 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10969 - soumalya ray 

[libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
  10970 - nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva)

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10971 - Johnny Rosenberg 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10972 - nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva)

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10973 - Spencer Graves 

[libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request
  10974 - "Dennis E. Hamilton" 

[libreoffice-users] annoying restore window
  10975 - Guy Voets 

[libreoffice-users] Read Error for Graphics
  10977 - Steve Edmonds 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret 
formats?
  10978 - Spencer Graves 

[libreoffice-users] annoying restore window
  10979 - Tom Davies 

[libreoffice-users] Re: annoying restore window
  10980 - Tinkerer 

[libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
  10981 - jorge 

[libreoffice-users] Spreadsheet 'selection list'
  10982 - Brian Barker 
  


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[libreoffice-users] Digest Format

2011-09-13 Thread Michael Reich

Now this digest has grouped some messages on a topic together, yet 
others with the same subject are not grouped.  Is the problem the way 
users are posting messages?   It seems like a small thing, but it's 
driving me nuts.


On 9/12/11 users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:

 Topics (messages 11013 through 11042):

 [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 secret formats?
  11013 - Tom Davies 
  11015 - NoOp 
  11019 - NoOp 
  11022 - NoOp 
  11034 - NoOp 
  11037 - Andreas Säger 
  11038 - "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_S=E4ger?="
 
  11039 - Tom 

 [libreoffice-users] Help w Spreadsheet function?
  11014 - JeepNut 

 [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 secret formats?
  11016 - Spencer Graves 

 [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 secret formats?
  11017 - Spencer Graves 

 [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should
 LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
  11018 - "Dennis E. Hamilton" 
  


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and ovals as polygons



The server resources would be much higher if there was attachments allowed.

Actually, the last time I was using OOo and on their list, they did not 
allow attachments, even .odt ones, on it.  When did it change?  I have 
been off the list since later spring.


For me, I rarely used the Nabble system, so I did not know about the 
attachments.  Maybe I might go there when I need to have an attachment 
instead of uploading it onto one of my domains so the LO list answers 
would have my image/document/etc. "attached".


Never heard of senduit.com.  I may look into it some time.  How large is 
the file size restrictions [some do not state the actual limit which is 
lower than stated], if you know off hand.  My hosting company does not 
state that I cannot have file sizes above 300-400 MB.  The actual figure 
is unknown since I was working with CD and DVD ISO sizes when it was 
rejected due to size limitations.



On 09/13/2011 12:51 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
You can upload to Nabble to keep the attachment with the thread. 


Click on this link to see this thread in Nabble
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Impress-3-4-prints-polygons-as-rectangles-and-ovals-as-polygons-td3329585.html
Click on "Reply" and then "More Options" and "Upload File"
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Tue, 13/9/11, NoOp  wrote:

From: NoOp
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and 
ovals as polygons
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 17:38

On 09/13/2011 06:34 AM, marshals wrote:

NoOp wrote:

Is it possible for you to upload a sample somewhere? Note: unfortunately
this list doesn't allow attachments, so perhaps upload via nabble or to
an alternate site. Also, in order for others to test properly, please
let us know what operating system you are using, and, how you created
the polygons and ovals (standard draw shapes, hand crafted/line edit
points etc).


Yes, I can send the doc, but I don't know how to do it via nabble.
Otherwise, I could email it you or maybe email a google docs link to you.
What do you prefer/would be easiest?

Email is fine. Or you could try:
http://www.senduit.com/
You can set the link expiration link from 30 minutes to 1 week.

[OT] Which brings up another issue: the OOo list allowed ODF
attachments. It's too bad that we can't do the same on this list. But
I'll bring that up on the discussions list later.


This is on Win-7 64-bit.  The polygons/ovals were just standard shapes, with
standard bitmap fills (which are incorrectly printed as rectangles/polygons,
respectively, though with the correct polygon/oval outlines).

I can test on Win7 (mine is 64bit as well, but that doesn't matter as LO
is using 32bit), WinXP, and linux. LO versions 3.3.3 and 3.4.3 (others
are easily loaded in linux), and OOo 3.2.0, 3.2.1, 3.3.0, and 3.4.0 (dev).


Thanks, Simon.

Happy to help if I can.
...





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format

2011-09-13 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions



Email list usually are not thread based, unless your client combines 
emails with the same subject into thread-like groupings.  I think Nabble 
does some threading though, but I do not use Nabble often.


Yes, I have seen many lists/forums that are threaded, some good and some 
bad.


You are talking about "digest" lists.  What are your reasons for using 
the digest list?  I personally do not use one, so I do not know what the 
issues you have.


On 09/13/2011 12:57 PM, Michael Reich wrote:
Now this digest has grouped some messages on a topic together, yet 
others with the same subject are not grouped.  Is the problem the way 
users are posting messages?   It seems like a small thing, but it's 
driving me nuts.


On 9/12/11 users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:

 Topics (messages 11013 through 11042):

 [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 secret formats?
  11013 - Tom Davies 
  11015 - NoOp 
  11019 - NoOp 
  11022 - NoOp 
  11034 - NoOp 
  11037 - Andreas Säger 
  11038 - "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_S=E4ger?="

  11039 - Tom 

 [libreoffice-users] Help w Spreadsheet function?
  11014 - JeepNut 

 [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 secret formats?
  11016 - Spencer Graves 

 [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 secret formats?
  11017 - Spencer Graves 

 [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should
 LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
  11018 - "Dennis E. Hamilton" 





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Re: [libreoffice-users] copy styles in writer

2011-09-13 Thread Paul D. Mirowsky


I highly suggest looking at


   Template Changer
   

by André Schnabel 
4.2
Average: 4.2 (15 votes)

This extension will add two new items to the File - Templates menu that 
allows to assign a new template to documents. All styles and formatting 
will be loaded from that template and the documents will behave as it 
was created using that template.


It's a great tool.


On 9/12/2011 8:57 PM, James wrote:

I have two documents. docA has a paragraph style docB does NOT have.
Copying text from docA to docB should copy the style, right?
It doesn't. :-(



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format

2011-09-13 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 01:33:20PM -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press 
Productions wrote:
> 
> Email list usually are not thread based, unless your client combines
> emails with the same subject into thread-like groupings.  I think
> Nabble does some threading though, but I do not use Nabble often.
> 
> Yes, I have seen many lists/forums that are threaded, some good and
> some bad.

Does the above sentence contradict the previous one?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and ovals as polygons

2011-09-13 Thread marshals

Duh it was so easy!  OK, hopefully attached below is the doc that my daughter
had created.  She first created slides 1-5 and found that slide 5 printed
incorrectly, as I described above.  I then helped create slide 6 to see if
that solved the problem, but didn't.  At that point I tried 3.4.2 (bad) and
then 3.3.4 (good).

The polygons came from "Basic shapes" and the oval from "Ellipse".  We also
used "Flowcharts", though I can't remember if they print incorrectly too.  I
still have 3.3.4 installed, but I can "upgrade" to 3.4.3 if that would help.

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n441/german_and_history_homework.odp
german_and_history_homework.odp 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format

Hi :)
I think the Nabble interface might be better than the digest for this 
particular case
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/nabble-mailing-list-interface/
It is threaded and you can get an overview of the threads written to in the 
last week or however long.  (including resurrected threads).  It's not 
"everyone's cuppa tea" but i like it and i increasingly find it useful.  
Regards from
Tom :)

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 wrote:

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 18:33


Email list usually are not thread based, unless your client combines emails 
with the same subject into thread-like groupings.  I think Nabble does some 
threading though, but I do not use Nabble often.

Yes, I have seen many lists/forums that are threaded, some good and some bad.

You are talking about "digest" lists.  What are your reasons for using the 
digest list?  I personally do not use one, so I do not know what the issues you 
have.

On 09/13/2011 12:57 PM, Michael Reich wrote:
> Now this digest has grouped some messages on a topic together, yet others 
> with the same subject are not grouped.  Is the problem the way users are 
> posting messages?   It seems like a small thing, but it's driving me nuts.
> 
> On 9/12/11 users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:
>>  Topics (messages 11013 through 11042):
>> 
>>  [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
>>  secret formats?
>>       11013 - Tom Davies 
>>       11015 - NoOp 
>>       11019 - NoOp 
>>       11022 - NoOp 
>>       11034 - NoOp 
>>       11037 - Andreas Säger 
>>       11038 - "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_S=E4ger?="
>> 
>>       11039 - Tom 
>> 
>>  [libreoffice-users] Help w Spreadsheet function?
>>       11014 - JeepNut 
>> 
>>  [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
>>  secret formats?
>>       11016 - Spencer Graves 
>> 
>>  [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
>>  secret formats?
>>       11017 - Spencer Graves 
>> 
>>  [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should
>>  LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
>>       11018 - "Dennis E. Hamilton" 
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format

Hi :)
Nearly but not quite.  "Many" implies a lot but does not mean a majority.  It 
could be that 99% of mailing lists don't thread but the remaining 1% might be 
100 which still easily qualifies as "many".  

I like the troll counting system in Terry Pratchett books.  It's a bit like 
binary but never quite reaches 10 eg  1, 2, many, lots.
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Robert Holtzman 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 19:08

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 01:33:20PM -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press 
Productions wrote:
> 
> Email list usually are not thread based, unless your client combines
> emails with the same subject into thread-like groupings.  I think
> Nabble does some threading though, but I do not use Nabble often.
> 
> Yes, I have seen many lists/forums that are threaded, some good and
> some bad.

Does the above sentence contradict the previous one?

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[libreoffice-users] Base Help

2011-09-13 Thread Boyd Tong

I am using Libre Office 3.3.3, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.3-1ubuntu2. I am new 
to Base and have created a database containing  reports derived from 
queries. When I create a report using legal size with landscape, page 
one is correct but page two always prints letter-landscape size. I am 
looking for help with this problem.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and ovals as polygons

On 09/13/2011 11:23 AM, marshals wrote:
> Duh it was so easy!  OK, hopefully attached below is the doc that my daughter
> had created.  She first created slides 1-5 and found that slide 5 printed
> incorrectly, as I described above.  I then helped create slide 6 to see if
> that solved the problem, but didn't.  At that point I tried 3.4.2 (bad) and
> then 3.3.4 (good).
> 
> The polygons came from "Basic shapes" and the oval from "Ellipse".  We also
> used "Flowcharts", though I can't remember if they print incorrectly too.  I
> still have 3.3.4 installed, but I can "upgrade" to 3.4.3 if that would help.
> 
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n441/german_and_history_homework.odp
> german_and_history_homework.odp 
...
Thanks Tom for the Nabble upload info.

I only printed page 5 from LO 3.4.3 Win7 to an Epson Workforce 635; the
results were not pretty. I then exported as a PDF and that looked fine.
So I then printed to PDFCreator and the results of that PDF look nearly
the same as when printed to the printer.

Screenshot of page 5 with PDFCreator is here:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/screenshotgermanandhist.png/

Scanned image of print (Win7 LO 3.4.3) is here:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/germanprint.png/
[I printed in Black & White to save ink]

I then printed the same (page 5) from LO 3.4.3 linux to the same printer
& that printed properly. Exporting to PDF was fine, as was printing to
cups-pdf.

I'll uninstall 3.4.3 & reinstall 3.4.3 on Win7 & see if the results are
different.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Way to remove periods from a cross-reference?

On 09/13/2011 09:53 AM, Steven Shelton wrote:
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>  
> Crap. My message didn't format correctly, which makes it virtually
> indecipherable given the context. Let me take another crack at this and
> try to explain it more clearly.
>  
> Here's my problem. Let's assume this is a paragraph in a contract:
...
>  
> I might want to insert a cross-reference to (for example), Paragraph
> 3(A)(i)(g), with a sentence that might read "Client will have the
> opportunity to speak in advance to any person who will be assigned work
> on his case, as described in Paragraph 3.A.i.g, to the extent that this
> is reasonable."
>  
> However,  there's always a trailing period when you enter the
> crossreference, so the sentence would end up reading "Client will have
> the opportunity to speak in advance to any person who will be assigned
> work on his case, as described in Paragraph 3.A.i.g., to the extent that
> this is reasonable."
>  
> Note the period at the end of the reference in the second example, which
> is improper.
>  
> Is there any way to get rid of that trailing period?

Steven, can you not just format Numbers & Bullets to: 1) remove the
period, or 2) use (A)(i)(g) instead?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digital signing MS format documents

On 13/09/2011, draganb  wrote:
> Hi all,
> we started using LibreOffice as an alternative to MS Office in our
> organization, on some of the computers. It all started well, but we've hit a
> wall with digital signing. As I understand, the document must be in
> OpenDocument format for the signing to work. The problem is that we will not
> be able to use the LibreOffice native format in the near future and we are
> stuck with the MS formats for which the signing doesn't work.
>

Firstly, I shall assume your organisation has legal installations of
m$. Correct me if wrong, but there may be a legal implication as a
result of using digital signatures, so why would you want to use LO
generate a digital signature for a proprietary format not owned by LO?
This may be a legal problem for LO assuming a digital signature is
supposed to authenticate the user, content and the software used to
create that content and so it is entirely appropriate for LO to
provide digital signatures only for the native odf.

Are you really "stuck" or just unwilling to explain to your clients
that you are using LO and the benefits derived from using LO?

Of course, the main benefit is supposed to be the advantages of odf...

> Is there any way around this? Or maybe I should post this as a feature
> request?
>

Well, m$ users will vote for this because of the short-term
convenience, but it would be a very bad consequence for LO. See
previous posts for the reasons.

You need to perform a cost benefit analysis for your use of LO;
otherwise, revert to m$.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format

2011-09-13 Thread Michael Reich

I subscribe to digest versions on lists which generate a fairly large 
number of messages.   It just cuts down on the total volume of messages 
coming ot my inbox.  A lot of the individual messages are not of 
interest to me, and when the digest is 'threaded,' it makes it a lot 
faster to skip to the topics I am interested in.   As it is, messages on 
a variety of topics get interspersed with each other making it very 
tedious to wade through. 

I don't think it's all controlled by the mail client; some of it must be 
controlled by the mail list.  I suspect part of the problem is the way 
messages get posted.   I've seen on other lists that if people reply to 
a message, but change the substance, the messages get threaded "wrong."  
I know the OOO list is much more readable (for me).  That could change 
as it migrates to an Apache list.

On 9/13/11 users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:

 Subject:
 Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format
 From:
 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
 Date:
 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:33:20 -0400
 To:
 users@global.libreoffice.org

 Email list usually are not thread based, unless your client combines
 emails with the same subject into thread-like groupings.  I think
 Nabble does some threading though, but I do not use Nabble often.

 Yes, I have seen many lists/forums that are threaded, some good and
 some bad.

 You are talking about "digest" lists.  What are your reasons for
 using the digest list?  I personally do not use one, so I do not know
 what the issues you have.

 On 09/13/2011 12:57 PM, Michael Reich wrote:
 > Now this digest has grouped some messages on a topic together, yet
 others with the same subject are not grouped.  Is the problem the way
 users are posting messages?   It seems like a small thing, but it's
 driving me nuts.
 >
 > On 9/12/11 users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:
 >>  Topics (messages 11013 through 11042):
 >>
 >>  [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 >>  secret formats?
 >>   11013 - Tom Davies 
 >>   11015 - NoOp 
 >>   11019 - NoOp 
 >>   11022 - NoOp 
 >>   11034 - NoOp 
 >>   11037 - Andreas Säger 
 >>   11038 - "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_S=E4ger?="
 >> 
 >>   11039 - Tom 
 >>
 >>  [libreoffice-users] Help w Spreadsheet function?
 >>   11014 - JeepNut 
 >>
 >>  [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 >>  secret formats?
 >>   11016 - Spencer Graves 
 >>
 >>  [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft
 >>  secret formats?
 >>   11017 - Spencer Graves 
 >>
 >>  [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should
 >>  LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
 >>   11018 - "Dennis E. Hamilton" 
 >

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format

On 13/09/2011, Michael Reich  wrote:
> The format of the LibreOffice digest mail list is driving me crazy.   It
> doesn't seem to be threaded (grouping like messages together) at all and
> it's a huge annoyance to lumber through the topics to see what's in the
> digest.   The old OOO digest was/is much better organized.   Is there a
> way for me to get my digest in a more organized format?
>

Viewing this digest via the gmail web interface, you should note that
all messages are viewed "inline" and not as attachments, which is the
standard expected behaviour stated by one of the LO programmers.
Messages seem to be organised via date. To reply to messages from
digest mode, the recommended method is to use the reply address
syntax: users+get-[messagenumber]@... to receive an individual message
of interest. This allows the thread to be maintained for specific
messages that you write replies, whilst the advantage of digest mode
(i.e. a single message) is retained separately.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format

On 13/09/2011, Michael Reich  wrote:
> Now this digest has grouped some messages on a topic together, yet
> others with the same subject are not grouped.  Is the problem the way
> users are posting messages?

Unlike other mailing list managers (e.g. mailman) you cannot reply to
messages directly in the digest mode by copying the original message
subject and retain the message thread.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: drawing file opens maths editor

On 13/09/2011, Alexander Thurgood  wrote:
> Le 13/09/11 00:41, e-letter a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> Looks to me as though the import filter is broken or non-operationnel,
> or alternatively the FlatXML output is incorrect. When I open the file,
> it appears in Writer as XML. I get options to choose the codepage, font
> and language.

Cannot remember exactly, but you may need to repeat the installation
process in order to activate the necessary xlst filters necessary for
flat xml odf. This is probably why fodf files are opened in writer as
raw xml.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress 3.4 prints polygons as rectangles and ovals as polygons

On 09/13/2011 12:33 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 09/13/2011 11:23 AM, marshals wrote:
>> Duh it was so easy!  OK, hopefully attached below is the doc that my daughter
>> had created.  She first created slides 1-5 and found that slide 5 printed
>> incorrectly, as I described above.  I then helped create slide 6 to see if
>> that solved the problem, but didn't.  At that point I tried 3.4.2 (bad) and
>> then 3.3.4 (good).
>> 
>> The polygons came from "Basic shapes" and the oval from "Ellipse".  We also
>> used "Flowcharts", though I can't remember if they print incorrectly too.  I
>> still have 3.3.4 installed, but I can "upgrade" to 3.4.3 if that would help.
>> 
>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n441/german_and_history_homework.odp
>> german_and_history_homework.odp 
> ...
> Thanks Tom for the Nabble upload info.
> 
> I only printed page 5 from LO 3.4.3 Win7 to an Epson Workforce 635; the
> results were not pretty. I then exported as a PDF and that looked fine.
> So I then printed to PDFCreator and the results of that PDF look nearly
> the same as when printed to the printer.
> 
> Screenshot of page 5 with PDFCreator is here:
> 
> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/screenshotgermanandhist.png/
> 
> Scanned image of print (Win7 LO 3.4.3) is here:
> 
> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/germanprint.png/
> [I printed in Black & White to save ink]
> 
> I then printed the same (page 5) from LO 3.4.3 linux to the same printer
> & that printed properly. Exporting to PDF was fine, as was printing to
> cups-pdf.
> 
> I'll uninstall 3.4.3 & reinstall 3.4.3 on Win7 & see if the results are
> different.

Sorry, meant: I'll reinstall 3.3.4 on Win7.

Did that & page 5 prints just fine. Scanned print image is here:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/german334.png/

So I reckon that you've a valid bug report issue... and we can all skip the:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/

LibreOffice 3.4.3 Final (2011-08-31)

*Safe for production use by most users and enterprises.*

bit...




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Re: [libreoffice-users] integration of styles management between writer and impress

2011-09-13 Thread Paul D. Mirowsky




On 9/13/2011 5:16 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 12/09/2011, Paul D. Mirowsky  wrote:

I would far rather see "Writer" with a presentation mode than the way
things are now.


Could you explain how this would work in practice please? The next
stage is to make a feature request and as such it would be prudent to
discuss within this mailing list before making the feature request via
the formal procedure (which I haven't read yet to be honest).

The basis of any document (object) is its end function.
To that end, when creating a document to print, it follows its nature in 
'Writer'. It is the tools overlap that is important.


Tools like menu items and icons are specific to writing a print document.
Assumptions like page position, size and direction are defaulted to 
center, A4 and portrait.
This is all stored and read in this way, basically because you clicked 
on one icon or menu item over another, initiating the preset design.


If you clicked on another icon to create a document, say "Presentation", 
the defaults change, text sizes increase.  Definitions of objects start 
to have layers.  Tables are increased in size and borders become heavy.  
It is the default inherent.  So far, these are overlapping functions 
with differing defaults as the document is opened.


The main differences are in "page" and "object over time" handling. When 
is a "slide" different than a "page"?  When its dimensions are changed 
and gives reference to the word "slide". But a slide is not a slide anymore.
Slides used to be like print documents, static.  We now have movement in 
time.  Presentations are now objects with time functions. Do I need a 
table that updates automatically from a Calc sheet that spins into 
center when I hit next page in a presentation?  Maybe.


The things missing from 'Writer' that remove it from being a 
'presentation' manager are additional functions and views and not much 
else.  I know this mean one huge program, but it does reduce redundancy. 
Not having to know two ways of handling a table is removed.



Unified table handling, flow of text from "Writer" with the fancy page
changes as an add-on to page handling.


I'm not sure about consistent table and text flow behaviour because
the default page size for writer is a4 portrait, whilst in impress the
slide orientation is landscape.


In "Document" mode, everything is as is in "Writer", in "Presentation"
mode Impress takes over, but not to the point of the better handling of
Writers ability.


Personally, this would be confusing the boundary between writer and
impress modules, although perhaps a more fundamental question is
whether these modules should exist.

If font size is universal, it is learn once, use forever.

  It could be argued that writer and
impress exist merely to imitate m$o's concept of creating presentation
content.

Correct

   From what you are stating, impress as a module should
disappear and a new paradigm be developed of using writer to create
presentation content. So a scenario would be to open writer module in
a default 'document' mode.
A different icon and defaults setting allow the mind to settle in to its 
work. Its just making the decision

a littler earlier on than getting the program open and changing modes.

 Perhaps from the menu bar 'view', there
would be an option to select 'presentation' mode (below where 'web
layout' now resides?), which would automatically change the view to
landscape. To view the presentation, a new dialogue window could
appear (perhaps with a window bar title 'impress presentation viewer),
which the user could maximise to full screen mode to show the
presentation.

I think you've got it.


One minor disadvantage, from a marketing point of view, is that m$
users would complain: "where's the equivalent to powerpoint?".
Not if you give them a button to push that says "Impress; a Powerpoint 
equivalent".
Gobe Software created an unified office package for BeOS called GOBE 
Productive.  I used it and I liked it. Tables did real math, but looked 
nice.  In fact, ahead of its time, but if people aren't ready to eat 
healthy, they will continue to eat junk. This is at a time when MS ruled 
the world by file format. Much love to LibreOffice.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base Help

2011-09-13 Thread planas

Boyd,

On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 11:59 -0700, Boyd Tong wrote: 

> I am using Libre Office 3.3.3, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.3-1ubuntu2. I am new 
> to Base and have created a database containing  reports derived from 
> queries. When I create a report using legal size with landscape, page 
> one is correct but page two always prints letter-landscape size. I am 
> looking for help with this problem.
> 

I assume you used the design view for generating the reports not the
wizard?

When I did a test of the wizard, it decided to use US Letter with
Landscape. I assume you want Legal and portrait.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base Help

Hi :)
The wizards are one of the broken parts of Base.  
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: planas 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Base Help
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 22:58

Boyd,

On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 11:59 -0700, Boyd Tong wrote: 

> I am using Libre Office 3.3.3, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.3-1ubuntu2. I am new 
> to Base and have created a database containing  reports derived from 
> queries. When I create a report using legal size with landscape, page 
> one is correct but page two always prints letter-landscape size. I am 
> looking for help with this problem.
> 

I assume you used the design view for generating the reports not the
wizard?

When I did a test of the wizard, it decided to use US Letter with
Landscape. I assume you want Legal and portrait.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Way to remove periods from a cross-reference?

2011-09-13 Thread Steven Shelton

On 9/13/2011 3:57 PM, NoOp wrote:
> Steven, can you not just format Numbers & Bullets to: 1) remove the
> period, or 2) use (A)(i)(g) instead? 

Interesting. Are the periods being pulled from the Numbers and Bullets
settings? That hadn't occurred to me. I'll have to look at that!



Steven Shelton

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adopting LibreOffice in Corporate Environments

2011-09-13 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

Hi :)
I still think it's best to have both MS Office and LibreOffice installed on 
machines during the migration process.  An "overnight" change is likely to 
cause problems.  

Step 1 is to keep MS Office as the default while rolling out LO across the 
company.  Some re-training of a few people at a time.  Show how to access the 
one that is not default, how to access help and documentation etc.  Maybe a few 
months before moving to step 2.
Step 2 is to make LibreOffice the default but keep MS Office accessible.  Don't 
actually get rid of MS Office but just stop buying it in.  

Something like that is much less likely to fail.  
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Tue, 13/9/11, ms777  wrote:

From: ms777 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adopting LibreOffice in Corporate Environments
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 17:26

Simon,

I would consider giving up after one day as bad management...either in
preparation or in execution of the migration. On top of that, costs for M$
products are normally quite low at universities due to academic rebates.  So
the reward to switch to OO/LO is lower.

The best strategy how OO/LO could help in reduction of migration and
acceptance problems is probably compatibility, compatibility, compatibility.
Even if compatibility means being compatibility to something stupid. Once
OO/LO has reached say 30% market share, trials to be better than M$ products
at lower compatibility might be started, but not earlier. Waiting until that
share is reached is not in the nature of the typical volunteer contributing
to OO, I am afraid.

But my problem is different. I am stuck even before migration because of the
anticipated efficiency loss, not because I am afraid of acceptance or
migration problems.

ms777

Simon Johnson-Bégin wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> ... we once agreed, last december, that it was time to implement
> Openoffice in the law library's computers.  I tough that this was a great
> choice and a good step forwarded for the open community.
> The next day after the implementation, lot of students complained about
> Openoffice, saying that it was not the same as what they were accustomed
> in the bast.  i'm sure that they did not tried it that much.  I did not
> agreed with them, butt he directors decided the next day to go back to Ms
> Office.  ...
> Simon
>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:47:34 -0700
>> From: ms...@web.de
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adopting LibreOffice in Corporate
>> Environments
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I lead a department of about 100 people in a German institution. We are
>> on
>> M$ products. From these 100 people
> ...

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[libreoffice-users] poor default config path

2011-09-13 Thread Matthew Monaco


Why is the default config located at ~/.config/.libreoffice?

I appreciate it being under .config so as not to add to the clutter of my home 
directory, but is the "." necessary? It's already in .config!


~/.config/libreoffice would do just fine.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress: Problems with slides imported from Powerpoint

2011-09-13 Thread mlevison

Tom - thanks in the end Powerpoint export to ODP worked well in saving the
notes, however all the diagrams were messed up. Further problems:
- I would correct the diagram in one file and drag it to another. Both
instances of LibreOffice crashed.
- Bonus the file would be corrupted.

In the end copy and paste was the way to move images.

I'm still grumpy about LibreOffice and its current quality.

Cheers
Mark

On Friday, September 9, 2011, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive]
wrote:

> Hi :)
> There might be a faster route.  Can you use PowerPoint to "Save As ..." the
> older MS format, ppt?  The option is something like "MS PowerPoint
> (98/Xp/2000)".  There might be an option to save as odp (=OpenDocument
> Presentation) but that uses the older 1.0/1.1 format which  strips out all
> the notes, apparently, so avoid it.
>
> The older MS format, ppt, should open fine in Impress and hopefully you can
> then save in the newer odp format.  You can probably do that straight from a
> command-line without even opening the presentations so you could get through
> a LOT of presentations very fast at that point.
>
> Sadly Impress does have a lot of problems.  Apparently devs are working at
> it but it's not there yet.  There are other OpenSource, or at least free
> (with a little f) programs, that are good for presentations.
>
> Good luck and regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, mlevison <[hidden 
> email]>
> wrote:
>
> From: mlevison <[hidden 
> email]>
>
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Impress: Problems with slides imported from
> Powerpoint
> To: [hidden email] 
> Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 20:41
>
> I have a large body of slides originally created in Powerpoint. Recently I
> was asked my a client to move them to LibreOffice. At this stage I'm having
>
> a frustrating experience:
>
> - Import done by opening pptx files in Impress 3.3.x
> - When I opened the files I noticed the notes didn't come across
> - When I tried to add the notes I couldn't edit the notes field
> - When I run the presentation on a project I can see my original notes
>
> Is this is a common problem. I'm at the point of just asking my client to
> pay for MS office licenses because it will be cheaper than the time I'm
> spending on this.
>
> Please help restore my faith.
> Mark Levison
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digest Format


On 09/13/2011 02:08 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 01:33:20PM -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press 
Productions wrote:

Email list usually are not thread based, unless your client combines
emails with the same subject into thread-like groupings.  I think
Nabble does some threading though, but I do not use Nabble often.

Yes, I have seen many lists/forums that are threaded, some good and
some bad.

Does the above sentence contradict the previous one?


Browser based lists/forums, not email based lists.

Nabble is browser based, while I use the email based list for LO.

I do not remember ever seeing a email based list that worked, and a good 
threading/grouping system for any of the email clients I have used.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-13 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


On 09/13/2011 03:57 PM, e-letter wrote:

On 13/09/2011, draganb  wrote:

Hi all,
we started using LibreOffice as an alternative to MS Office in our
organization, on some of the computers. It all started well, but we've hit a
wall with digital signing. As I understand, the document must be in
OpenDocument format for the signing to work. The problem is that we will not
be able to use the LibreOffice native format in the near future and we are
stuck with the MS formats for which the signing doesn't work.


Firstly, I shall assume your organisation has legal installations of
m$. Correct me if wrong, but there may be a legal implication as a
result of using digital signatures, so why would you want to use LO
generate a digital signature for a proprietary format not owned by LO?
This may be a legal problem for LO assuming a digital signature is
supposed to authenticate the user, content and the software used to
create that content and so it is entirely appropriate for LO to
provide digital signatures only for the native odf.

Are you really "stuck" or just unwilling to explain to your clients
that you are using LO and the benefits derived from using LO?

Of course, the main benefit is supposed to be the advantages of odf...


Is there any way around this? Or maybe I should post this as a feature
request?


Well, m$ users will vote for this because of the short-term
convenience, but it would be a very bad consequence for LO. See
previous posts for the reasons.

You need to perform a cost benefit analysis for your use of LO;
otherwise, revert to m$.

Maybe the company wants to have some way to make sure that their 
document show that they come from their office, and not someone doing 
some creative editing and claiming that it came from them.  Digital 
Signing is not just for MS to determine if you have a legal copy of 
their products.  There are digital sigs for emails and web sites.  I 
have received some documents that must have a digital sig or it is not 
legal.


How many businesses really would risk problems with pirated copies of 
Office or XP/Vista/Win7?  Most would not.


To be honest, if LibreOffice is to be a replacement in the business 
offices, it must be able to handle the file formats, digital sigs, and 
any other thing that a normal user [not power user] would use MS Office 
for.  That is the market LO was designed for.  If LO does not do these 
things, then business users will not be able to switch over to LO and 
still be able to do their normal office work and/or support their 
clients that do use them.  If people see that LO does everything they do 
now with MSO [including the file formats] AND it is free to get and 
upgrade, then there is not reason to keep using MSO.  If they have 
clients that use .docx and .xltx files and LO did not support them, then 
these businesses would not be able to switch to LO and keep their 
clients happy.  And NO, do not ask [or require] the clients to switch to 
LO, like one thread stated we should do.  You could easily loose those 
clients for asking.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] apply style / lay out to text

2011-09-13 Thread Jaap Bosman


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40822 is the link
It is difficult to apply format to a selected text

Op Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:49:55 +0200 schreef Tom Davies  
:



Hi :)
Could you paste a link to the bug-report/wishlist thread in here?  It  
might help people in the future if they have searched out this thread. 


Are you saying that after pasting it is difficult to select the pasted  
text and apply formatting?

Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Tue, 13/9/11, Jaap Bosman  wrote:

From: Jaap Bosman 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] apply style / lay out to text
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 10:38

Thank you,  I would just like also to change lay out, and the  
format>default format is not in my libreoffice.
applying the format is the problem. I did make a wishlist but report on  
this.

thanks again

Op Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:54:36 +0200 schreef Sigrid Carrera  
:



Hi Jaap,

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:14:35 +0200
"Jaap Bosman"  wrote:





When you copy from another source, insert with CTRL+Shift+V instead
of only CTRL+V. There you can choose to insert as "text only". Once
you did this, you can then apply the formatting you want.

If you cannot "recopy" the text that is already copied, you could
mark this text, go to Format > Default formatting and once this is
done, you can apply again the formatting that you want.

Hope this helps.

Sigrid



vriendelijke groeten
Jaap Bosman





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

Le 13/09/11 20:59, Boyd Tong a écrit :

Hi Boyd,

> I am using Libre Office 3.3.3, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.3-1ubuntu2. I am new
> to Base and have created a database containing  reports derived from
> queries. When I create a report using legal size with landscape, page
> one is correct but page two always prints letter-landscape size. I am
> looking for help with this problem.
> 


This is a problem with the default page setting mechanism on multiple
pages generated by the wizards. There is at least one bug report for
this already (can't remember the number right now), as it also affects
printing envelopes.

One possible workaround is to manually reset the page settings of your
document by right mouse button clicking on the second page and resetting
the page format to the one you want instead of the one it assigned
automatically during the wizard process (if that is at all possible with
reports made with the Oracle Report Builder extension).


Alex


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