Re: [libreoffice-users] Changing default margins and font for a group of users

2012-01-25 Thread Jay Lozier

On 01/25/2012 01:11 AM, Carl wrote:
The user data is saved on a mapped drive on the server and the user 
profile is on the local PC as part of the user's windows profile.

Yes all these users are using different flavours of Windows
Can you push a template out over your network? I am not sure of the 
exact location of the template folder, but should be similar for all the 
Windows machines (I use Linux). I would look for LO in the Program 
folder and navigate to the template folder. You could have a problem 
with 32 and 64 bit locations.





On 24/01/2012 16:38, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 01/24/2012 03:39 AM, Carl wrote:

Hi,

I need to change the default margins and font in Libreoffice Writer 
and Calc for a group of about 100 users.

How can I do this without having to go and do it manually on every PC?

Regards

Carl Werner

Where is the user data stored? If on a server, create a new default 
template and update the appropriate file in each user folder (or 
alternately change the default template location). If locally, I do 
not have a good idea.


Also, what OS's are involved, I assume Windows.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Changing default margins and font for a group of users

2012-01-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
There is a folder called templates in the user-profile
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
but there seem to be other weird places too and i am not sure which is used and 
whether any of them are not used.  Looking in 

Tools - Options - Paths

You can see that the templates path is has a few different alternatives rather 
than just one but did not seem to include the path to the folder in the 
user-profile!

Aaaargh!!  Is it easy enough to add an extra path?
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Changing default margins and font for a group 
of users
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 25 January, 2012, 8:06

On 01/25/2012 01:11 AM, Carl wrote:
 The user data is saved on a mapped drive on the server and the user profile 
 is on the local PC as part of the user's windows profile.
 Yes all these users are using different flavours of Windows
Can you push a template out over your network? I am not sure of the exact 
location of the template folder, but should be similar for all the Windows 
machines (I use Linux). I would look for LO in the Program folder and navigate 
to the template folder. You could have a problem with 32 and 64 bit locations.

 
 
 On 24/01/2012 16:38, Jay Lozier wrote:
 On 01/24/2012 03:39 AM, Carl wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I need to change the default margins and font in Libreoffice Writer and 
 Calc for a group of about 100 users.
 How can I do this without having to go and do it manually on every PC?
 
 Regards
 
 Carl Werner
 
 Where is the user data stored? If on a server, create a new default template 
 and update the appropriate file in each user folder (or alternately change 
 the default template location). If locally, I do not have a good idea.
 
 Also, what OS's are involved, I assume Windows.
 
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: one language in the installer libre office

2012-01-25 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2012-01-24 8:05 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote:

for all would be better if it were a language and a dictionary in the
installer to be smaller, so that every time download of 200 mb, 135 mb
only. Please support me in this matter, thanks in advance.



This was discussed before back in November 2010 (when LibreOffice started
distributing the first betas)

At the time it was argued that due to the reduced number of mirrors and disk
space allocated for this project, it would be better initially to have a
single installer instead of a localized installer for each language
supported. This means that for each version you had a 200Mb installer
instead over 100 (example) localized 150Mb installers which would take 15
Gb.

The main problem is that removing all the extra languages only saves you
some 50Mb. Is this worth the trouble?


What I had suggested once before was something that would solve *both* 
problems...


It should be fairly simple for a competent programmer (which I'm not, or 
I'd contribute something myself)...


1. Break the primary installer into the main installer, and the 
different language packs (isn't this already done for the linux version? 
If so, it would only need to be done for the Windows version, which, in 
the long run, would simplify things in itself)


2. For the download page, let the auto-detect code work the same way, 
but add the ability to detect the language as well


3. Make the default suggested installer the platform and language 
version that is detected


4. Provide a way for the one downloading the software to choose a 
different primary and/or*additional* languages if desired


5. When the user clicks 'Download', a script *generates* the desired 
installer *on the fly* by simply combining the primary install package 
and the selected languages into a single install package.


I would think this would be pretty easy for windows, but maybe more 
complex for linux because of all the different package managers out there...


Anyway, that is what *I* would do if I were King... ;)

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[libreoffice-users] Mysterious spacing problem

2012-01-25 Thread Séamas Ó Brógáin
Libre Office (3.3.4) on GNU/Linux (Ubuntu 11.10) creates faulty spacing
with some characters. Letter combinations that have the same width as
the equivalent ligature (for example fl as two separate letters v. the
f-l ligature) are spaced differently. It is possible to open a font in
Fontforge and confirm the spacing of the characters; it is also possible
to open a test file in another application (e.g. Abi Word) to confirm
that the spacing is the same. Only Libre Office changes it.

Does anyone know why this happens?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: one language in the installer libre office

2012-01-25 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2012-01-24 1:46 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

HI :)
Ahhh, it would be great if Windows had an official package manager
that could look after all the apps, not just the MS ones and could make
sure everything on the system got updated instead of just patches for
Window's own security flaws. Something that could help people pick and
choose the packages that got installed for a program so that you could
tell it what to install and then walk away with no need to hand-hold it
answering questions all the way through and with each program having
it's own different 'style'. Hmm, but then it would look a lot less like
Windows and might even be a little safer which would be a nightmare for
all those antivirus companies.
Regards from
Tom :)


It would also be nice if Linux would migrate to a universal one size 
fits all package manager that did everything on your wish list for a 
windows package manager.


Tom, please keep your stupid anti-microsoft rants to yourself.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot delete certain blocks of text with grey background (Readonly content cannot be changed...)

2012-01-25 Thread Jason Heeris
On Wed 25 Jan 2012 12:16:51 WST, Jay Lozier wrote:
 Often the grayed out areas are fields such as date, page number, etc.
 I am not sure why you can not delete them, have you saved the file as
 *.odt and then try editing.

Yep, tried that — same problems.

 Fields can be updated, using ToolsUpdateFields (F9).

Tried this too, still nothing.

Are there other conditions under which sections of a document can 
become read only? Perhaps the fields thing is a red herring.

— Jason

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Bug report - pasting from Notepad to Calc

2012-01-25 Thread Andreas Säger

You did not specify the text delimiter.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: one language in the installer libre office

2012-01-25 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 01/25/2012 07:42 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2012-01-24 1:46 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

HI :)
Ahhh, it would be great if Windows had an official package manager
that could look after all the apps, not just the MS ones and could make
sure everything on the system got updated instead of just patches for
Window's own security flaws. Something that could help people pick and
choose the packages that got installed for a program so that you could
tell it what to install and then walk away with no need to hand-hold it
answering questions all the way through and with each program having
it's own different 'style'. Hmm, but then it would look a lot less like
Windows and might even be a little safer which would be a nightmare for
all those antivirus companies.
Regards from
Tom :)


It would also be nice if Linux would migrate to a universal one size 
fits all package manager that did everything on your wish list for a 
windows package manager.


Tom, please keep your stupid anti-microsoft rants to yourself.

There are a lot of issues that MS has to deal with that make it easier 
to use and install certain software packages.  Linux may have new and 
different ways of doing things that what people have done for years with 
MS desktops, but it does not mean that one is better than the other.  
Each has its good points and its bad points.  Now with MS going the way 
with its desktop interface with Win 8, like Ubuntu did going from GNOME 
2.x to Unity, there will be much to deal with then.  For now, most 
people prefer Windows over Linux for its ease of use.  Win 8 will change 
that opinion for many users.


So yes, the installer for MS Windows would be much better if it was 
broken down to installer file and language/help pack files, like Linux 
is currently doing.


NO, Windows is not better than Linux and Linux is not better than 
Windows, as it currently stands.  We all have our own opinions which is 
the better one, but it does not need to be discusses on this list.


The real issue is the way LO treats the different platforms with one not 
needing language packs while the other one does.  That should not be.  
It should be the same with all the platforms, download the installer 
file and download the language and help packs that are needed beyond the 
basic English ones in the install file.  If you do it for Linux and Mac, 
you should do the same for Windows.  It is only fair, is it not?


Also, with the reworking of parts of LO so it would work properly with 
Unity, the developers will/may need to do the same with Win 8's tablet 
style of interface on their Win 8 desktops and laptops.  Some articles 
are stating that people may move over to Linux [with not Unity style of 
desktop environment] once Win 8 comes out.  So we will need to help 
these Windows users with their needs, and not rant and rave about how 
bad Windows is/was.  We need to help them move over to LO from MSO and 
help anyone who moved from Windows to Linux with their issues and needs 
with dealing with LO in the Linux desktop environments.


I use Ubuntu for my desktop since early 2010.  I still use Windows for 
some systems though.  I like the way Linux has everything you may need 
for software packages without needing to pay all that blood-money for 
doing your needed work.  They should charge for their work, but not 
prices that seen to be made to suck as much blood-money as possible from 
its users.  Now Linux has issues with drivers for the most up-to-date 
devices, since volunteers have to buy the devices and write the drivers 
for them, instead of the device developers writing one for Linux.  
Although there are other issues that make Linux not the best for many 
users, it is still a vital platform of many.  Each has its good and bad 
issues.  Neither it a perfect platform.  So let us stop the my 
platform is better than yours issues here.  It is hard enough for LO 
users to get the Windows people to use a free package like LO over 
paying for MSO on their Windows systems.  There is where we need to 
target Windows users, not their use of Windows over Linux platforms.  We 
need to get users to switch to LO, not try to convince them to switch to 
Linux.  This is the real need.  This is what we need to keep our 
energies focused on.  LO is free and is just as good, or better, than 
MSO.  We need to prove it to its users.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot delete certain blocks of text with grey background (Readonly content cannot be changed...)

2012-01-25 Thread Jay Lozier

On 01/25/2012 07:49 AM, Jason Heeris wrote:

On Wed 25 Jan 2012 12:16:51 WST, Jay Lozier wrote:

Often the grayed out areas are fields such as date, page number, etc.
I am not sure why you can not delete them, have you saved the file as
*.odt and then try editing.

Yep, tried that — same problems.


Fields can be updated, using ToolsUpdateFields (F9).

Tried this too, still nothing.

Are there other conditions under which sections of a document can
become read only? Perhaps the fields thing is a red herring.

— Jason

.docx is a type of compressed archive which can be opened using 
zip-utility. You cna get to the raw xml file.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot delete certain blocks of text with grey background (Readonly content cannot be changed...)

2012-01-25 Thread Cor Nouws

Jason Heeris wrote (25-01-12 13:49)


Are there other conditions under which sections of a document can
become read only?


Yes, you can see the options in the dialog Edit  Section (with the 
cursor in the section).



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[libreoffice-users] what is the alternative of countifs function in libreoffice?

2012-01-25 Thread soumalya ray
hi,
is there any alternative for countifs function in libreoffice (not
countif)?
say,in one column gender of the participants are written (male/female).in
next column height of the participant is written.now i want to count how
many females have height  =1.55 metre.how to do it in libreoffice?
in ms office 2010,there is this function- countifs(criterion range
1,criterion 1,criterion range 2,criterion 2) which could do this.could not
find anything like this in libreoffice.is there any alternative?
thanks in advance,
regards,

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[libreoffice-users] Display changes in sidebar as in MS Word

2012-01-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
I am reviewing some MS Word documents and we are using the Track
Changes feature. The feature works surprisingly well between LO 3.4
and MS Word. However, LO shows the deleted text inline, whereas MS
Word shows the deleted text in a sidebar similar to how comments are
displayed. The MS way is preferred as it preserves document
formatting, and the documents in question are in fact destined for
printing so the formatting on the page is critical. Is there any way
to coerce LO to show the deleted text in the sidebar?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Display changes in sidebar as in MS Word

2012-01-25 Thread Beth Lesko
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am reviewing some MS Word documents and we are using the Track
 Changes feature. The feature works surprisingly well between LO 3.4
 and MS Word. However, LO shows the deleted text inline, whereas MS
 Word shows the deleted text in a sidebar similar to how comments are
 displayed. The MS way is preferred as it preserves document
 formatting, and the documents in question are in fact destined for
 printing so the formatting on the page is critical. Is there any way
 to coerce LO to show the deleted text in the sidebar?

 Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what is the alternative of countifs function in libreoffice?

2012-01-25 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

Am 25.01.2012 17:16, schrieb soumalya ray:

 say,in one column gender of the participants are written (male/female).in
 next column height of the participant is written.now i want to count how
 many females have height  =1.55 metre.

Use DataPilot. (Chosse: Data → DataPilot → Start). Your problem is
exactly what it was invented for.

Here is the LibreOffice manual:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/5/52/0308CG3-DataPilot.pdf

:-)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: what is the alternative of countifs function in libreoffice?

2012-01-25 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 25.01.2012 18:26, Stefan Weigel wrote:

Hi,

Am 25.01.2012 17:16, schrieb soumalya ray:


say,in one column gender of the participants are written (male/female).in
next column height of the participant is written.now i want to count how
many females have height=1.55 metre.




+1 for the data pilot.

For single values you may try SUMPRODUCT(condition1;condition2;...)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer always selects PDF instead of Postscript

2012-01-25 Thread Don C. Myers

Hi,

Here is more information about this issue:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=94173

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15938/libre-office-change-printer-language-type-from-pdf-to-postscript

http://www.google.com/#hl=ensugexp=pfwlcp=25gs_id=2qxhr=tq=cups+printer+language+pdfpf=poutput=searchsclient=psy-abpbx=1oq=cups+printer+language+pdfaq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=gs_upl=bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osbfp=ed6966981cf4427abiw=1680bih=942

Don

On 01/24/2012 12:30 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:05:19 -0500
webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com
dijo:


I am sorry you are not getting any help.  I wonder it it is an
isolated issue for Fedora 16.  If people have not see this happen
before, it is hard to figure out what is causing it.

So is there any issues with printing/exporting the file to PDF then
printing it out to your printer?   Do your file require Postscript
printing instead of HP default printer language?

Exporting to PDF and then printing with Okular, Evince, Adobe Reader,
or other PDF viewers works fine. But that is more work than just
clicking the Print button, or even wading through the Print dialog box
tabs and menus to change the default behavior.

The problem is that there is a new PDF setting in the print dialog
box. It used to be on OOo that the default was to use whatever print
options were set according to the driver you selected in CUPS
(Postscript, Gutenprint, PCL, etc.). Now you have to go into General
tab  Properties  Device  tab  Printer language type  where it
gives you the options:

*PDF
Postscript - level from driver
Postscript - level 1
Postscript - level 2
Postscript - level 3

And it is set to PDF by default. And the PDF option is broken - it does
not use the font metrics built into the font, so characters print as
though the font were a monospaced font. A word like limit comes out
looking a bit like l i mi t (except that the second i is actually
smashed into the m). Otherwise the printing is fine. And it uses the
font metrics correctly if I manually select Postscript - level from
driver, or Postscript level 1 or 2. It's just that the option is buried
several clicks deep in the Print dialog box and I keep forgetting to
change it from the default PDF. Also, it does this with all fonts.

I don't know why there is a PDF option in the Device tab, because
only a handful of very expensive late model high end printers actually
have the new Adobe PDF print engine built in. I'm talking printers
costing $5,000 and up.

If I write the document with Abiword, Kword, or any other word
processor, it prints fine just by clicking the Print button.

I wish I could post screen shots of the Device tab in the Print dialog
box so you could see exactly what I am talking about. Even better would
be if I could add screen shots of the Print dialog box from OOo where
this problem did not exist. But OOo is not currently installed on my
computer, having switched to Libreoffice after upgrading from Fedora 14
to Fedora 16.

I just need to find a setting to change the default from PDF to
Postscript - level from driver or Postscript - level 2. It would be
OK if Libreoffice would just remember the setting from last time I
printed, but with each new document it has to be set again. If it's
hard coded I'm probably going to have to uninstall Libreoffice and go
back to OOo because I'm tired of wasting time, paper and toner every
time I forget to change it.



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[libreoffice-users] Mouseover box for menue options

2012-01-25 Thread Ealadin31
Hi I was wondering what or how to change the gray background color to see the
fonts better. The fonts are black but the background is dark gray and i
cannot see the menu item information. Can someone let me know what this
process is to change it.

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[libreoffice-users] Reading *.pages in LibreOffice?

2012-01-25 Thread Spencer Graves
  Does anyone know how to read a *.pages file created on a Mac 
using LibreOffice?



  PagesConverter0.6 available from Sourceforge will extract the 
text but apparently not the graphics.



  If the extension is changed to .zip, then a standard Windows 
unzip will work to make several other files available, including *.jpg, 
*.xml, and *.pdf -- but the image quality of the *.pdf version is often 
too low to be useful.



  Thanks,
  Spencer Graves


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Add pdf as page in document

2012-01-25 Thread upscope
Thanks I'll look for them


On Wednesday, January 25, 2012 01:38:48 PM Steve Edmonds wrote:
 On 24/01/12 6:37 PM, upscope wrote:
  On Monday, January 23, 2012 09:32:29 PM Jeff Prater wrote:
  Your best bet would be to convert your newsletter to a PDF
  first.
  Then, insert the form into the PDF using PDF authoring software
  like Adobe Acrobat. That's what I would do.
  
  This will not work. First I use Linux, Second I cannot afford
  Adobe
  Acrobat which to the best of my knowledge does not have a Linux
  version. I can create pdf's from LibreOffice and Scribus. I have
  not had time to try this in Scribus, it is supposed to import
  pdf's, but latest update gives error on trying to open pdf. Need
  to report bug.
  
  Thanks for your reply anyway.
  
  In order to get bulletin out I just recreated the whole document
  as a pdf form in LibreOffice and then save whol bulletin as pdf.
  Alot of extra work.
 
 Hi. pdfsplit and pdfjoin for linux would allow you to insert a page in
 a pdf.
 steve
 
  -
  Jeff Prater
  
  On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM, upscopeupsc...@nwi.net  wrote:
  Is there a way to put a pdf form into a page of a newletter? I
  know you can create one, but this form was sent to me to be
  included in the newsletter so people can fill it in and then
  print it for mailing.
  
   From writer:
  CODE:
  ---
  
file--open and selected the document and file type as
.pdf.
  
  /CODE:
  -
  It opens the pdf in draw instead of the select document page
  in
  writer. I know I save it as an image and insert it but then
  the
  users will not beable to use it.
  
  Thanks for any ideas.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Add pdf as page in document

2012-01-25 Thread jorge
Hi:

There are some programs to manage .pdf format documents,... like
PDF-Shuffler, PDF Chain and others that you can find for it. If you you
use Ubuntu, Open Suse or similar flavors of GNU/Linux you can find those
programs in the Install Program repositories.

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez
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El lun, 23-01-2012 a las 21:37 -0800, upscope escribió:
 On Monday, January 23, 2012 09:32:29 PM Jeff Prater wrote:
  Your best bet would be to convert your newsletter to a PDF first.
  Then, insert the form into the PDF using PDF authoring software like
  Adobe Acrobat. That's what I would do.
 This will not work. First I use Linux, Second I cannot afford Adobe 
 Acrobat which to the best of my knowledge does not have a Linux version. 
 I can create pdf's from LibreOffice and Scribus. I have not had time to 
 try this in Scribus, it is supposed to import pdf's, but latest update 
 gives error on trying to open pdf. Need to report bug.
 
 Thanks for your reply anyway. 
 
 In order to get bulletin out I just recreated the whole document as a 
 pdf form in LibreOffice and then save whol bulletin as pdf. Alot of 
 extra work.
  
  -
  Jeff Prater
  
  On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM, upscope upsc...@nwi.net wrote:
   Is there a way to put a pdf form into a page of a newletter? I
   know you can create one, but this form was sent to me to be
   included in the newsletter so people can fill it in and then
   print it for mailing. 
   From writer:
   CODE:
   ---
   
file--open and selected the document and file type as .pdf.
   
   /CODE:
   -
   It opens the pdf in draw instead of the select document page in
   writer. I know I save it as an image and insert it but then the
   users will not beable to use it.
   
   Thanks for any ideas.
   --
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: one language in the installer libre office

2012-01-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
If something is really easy to implement in one OS but difficult or impossible 
in another then  i think that it would be dumb to hold it back in the one and 
criticise the devs for not implementing it in the other.  If we play to the 
weaknesses of all the OSes to ensure that LO appears the same on all OSes then 
it's going to be pretty bad in all.  

I wasn't having a rant although i realise that you could choose to read it that 
way.  
Regards from
Tom :)


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On 01/25/2012 07:42 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
 On 2012-01-24 1:46 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 HI :)
 Ahhh, it would be great if Windows had an official package manager
 that could look after all the apps, not just the MS ones and could make
 sure everything on the system got updated instead of just patches for
 Window's own security flaws. Something that could help people pick and
 choose the packages that got installed for a program so that you could
 tell it what to install and then walk away with no need to hand-hold it
 answering questions all the way through and with each program having
 it's own different 'style'. Hmm, but then it would look a lot less like
 Windows and might even be a little safer which would be a nightmare for
 all those antivirus companies.
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 It would also be nice if Linux would migrate to a universal one size fits all 
 package manager that did everything on your wish list for a windows package 
 manager.
 
 Tom, please keep your stupid anti-microsoft rants to yourself.
 
There are a lot of issues that MS has to deal with that make it easier to use 
and install certain software packages.  Linux may have new and different ways 
of doing things that what people have done for years with MS desktops, but it 
does not mean that one is better than the other.  Each has its good points and 
its bad points.  Now with MS going the way with its desktop interface with Win 
8, like Ubuntu did going from GNOME 2.x to Unity, there will be much to deal 
with then.  For now, most people prefer Windows over Linux for its ease of 
use.  Win 8 will change that opinion for many users.

So yes, the installer for MS Windows would be much better if it was broken down 
to installer file and language/help pack files, like Linux is currently doing.

NO, Windows is not better than Linux and Linux is not better than Windows, as 
it currently stands.  We all have our own opinions which is the better one, but 
it does not need to be discusses on this list.

The real issue is the way LO treats the different platforms with one not 
needing language packs while the other one does.  That should not be.  It 
should be the same with all the platforms, download the installer file and 
download the language and help packs that are needed beyond the basic English 
ones in the install file.  If you do it for Linux and Mac, you should do the 
same for Windows.  It is only fair, is it not?

Also, with the reworking of parts of LO so it would work properly with Unity, 
the developers will/may need to do the same with Win 8's tablet style of 
interface on their Win 8 desktops and laptops.  Some articles are stating that 
people may move over to Linux [with not Unity style of desktop environment] 
once Win 8 comes out.  So we will need to help these Windows users with their 
needs, and not rant and rave about how bad Windows is/was.  We need to help 
them move over to LO from MSO and help anyone who moved from Windows to Linux 
with their issues and needs with dealing with LO in the Linux desktop 
environments.

I use Ubuntu for my desktop since early 2010.  I still use Windows for some 
systems though.  I like the way Linux has everything you may need for software 
packages without needing to pay all that blood-money for doing your needed 
work.  They should charge for their work, but not prices that seen to be made 
to suck as much blood-money as possible from its users.  Now Linux has issues 
with drivers for the most up-to-date devices, since volunteers have to buy the 
devices and write the drivers for them, instead of the device developers 
writing one for Linux.  Although there are other issues that make Linux not the 
best for many users, it is still a vital platform of many.  Each has its good 
and bad issues.  Neither it a perfect platform.  So let us stop the my 
platform is better than yours issues here.  It is hard enough for LO users to 
get the Windows people to use a free package like LO over paying for MSO on 
their Windows systems.  There is
 where we need to target Windows users, not their use of Windows over Linux 
platforms.  We need to get users to switch to LO, not try to convince 

[libreoffice-users] I am really disappointed about libreOffice

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Wunner
Dear libreoffice developers,

I have used openOffice for years. And since you have released libreOffice, I 
use this in openSUSE 12.1 too.

But now I am really disappointed about your software. LibreOffice crashed in my 
previous version while trying to do table calculation (typing the = sign caused 
the error).

In LibreOffice 3.4.2 000340m1 (Build:1206) I got this error message: terminate 
called after throwing an instance of 
'com::sun::star::loader::CannotActivateFactoryException'

In my opinion this blooper should not happen with your about 10 years 
openSource in office suite development!
And I seriously think about to use only openOffice in future.
Community openSource software means also to check the software before releasing.

I am a german sofware developer in the last year of the apprenticeship. I love 
openSource and I am going to join a few openSource projects as soon as I got 
the skills for doing that. C++ is not teached in my school, which is required 
in the most openSource software.


Yours sincerely

Thomas Wunner
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