Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[VA]

I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to "hierarchical" 
Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past.


I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all.

Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: VA

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to
"hierarchical" when I reopen Writer.

Virgil



-Original Message- 
From: Dan Lewis

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by "Automatic" by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a "Hierarchical" fashion. I would 
love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't 
found a way to achieve this.


Any ideas?

I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any 
difference.


Virgil

 I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things
that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side
of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I
personally use "Applied Styles" all the time.) When I open Writer, this
pane opens showing Applied Styles.
 I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know
whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make
"Hierarchal Styles" the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to
work on Ubuntu.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[VA]

I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to 
"hierarchical" when I reopen Writer.


Virgil



-Original Message- 
From: Dan Lewis

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by "Automatic" by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a "Hierarchical" fashion. I would 
love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't 
found a way to achieve this.


Any ideas?

I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any 
difference.


Virgil

 I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things
that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side
of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I
personally use "Applied Styles" all the time.) When I open Writer, this
pane opens showing Applied Styles.
 I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know
whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make
"Hierarchal Styles" the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to
work on Ubuntu.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[Dan Lewis]

On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by "Automatic" by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a "Hierarchical" fashion. I 
would love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I 
haven't found a way to achieve this.


Any ideas?

I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes 
any difference.


Virgil
 I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things 
that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side 
of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I 
personally use "Applied Styles" all the time.) When I open Writer, this 
pane opens showing Applied Styles.
 I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know 
whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make 
"Hierarchal Styles" the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to 
work on Ubuntu.


--Dan

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fw: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Funding Wishlist

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

the wiki was only partially reachable for a few days due to high load on 
the server, but we fixed that now. If there are other bugs, please le me 
- or better: webs...@global.libreoffice.org - know.


Florian


Tom Davies wrote on 2012-11-09 20:24:

Hi :)
I thought a few of you might like to know the wiki is back up and
running.  I think the main docs page was not affected anyway.  I'm not
sure if this was part of the planned maintenance.  Florian's answer
suggests it wasn't, in which case we face a few more days disruption in
a week or few.  I suspect it's just a language issue and that it was the
planned maintenance.

Anyway i am sure i have either missed the announcement or that there
will be one in a few days.  This message was just to let you know the
wiki really does work already.
Regards from
Tom :)


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[libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[VA]

I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by "Automatic" by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a "Hierarchical" fashion. I would 
love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't 
found a way to achieve this.


Any ideas?

I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes 
any difference.


Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] missing file in libreoffice 3.6.3

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
LibreOffice should work fine without java.  Sorry i only just now found your 
1st email today.  


So, your OS is Fedora.  Does LibreOffice work well enough without the desktop 
integration packages?  I think that is the first thing to check.  Then you can 
try again with the freedesktop-menus if you haven't already got that working by 
now.  (Sorry i know you probably haven't been able to work at this today as 
it's Friday)


Regards from
Tom :)  






>
> From: abdullah Al-Ammari أبو العباس 
>To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012, 4:58
>Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] missing file in libreoffice 3.6.3
> 
>
>
>thanks tom,
>
>I install the file three time. it contains the RPMS folder with 54 items 
>(.rpm) and it runs OK
>the subfolder desktop-integration - I thought it has something to do with the 
>installing but it seems not - contains
>-freedesktop-menus
>-mandriva-menus
>-suse-menus
>the redhat-menus not there - which is for fedora dist.
>
>however, I re-install the files again, it is exactly the same as what I 
>already installed and the program still not working.
>
>I wonder if the java components have anything to do with that ( I just install 
>them lately ) 
>I'll try to uninstall it and re-install it again..
>
>
>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:05:31 +
>From: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] missing file in libreoffice 3.6.3
>To: future_m...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org
>
>Hi :) 
>Please can you try downloading again from
>https://www.libreoffice.org/download/
>
>Well, navigate from there to the right language for you.  This link is to the 
>next page, the one that lets you select which Operating System you are using.  
>https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?nodetect
>
>Are you able to try this again or have you already tried a few times or do you 
>have a download limit?  Please let us know how this goes this time or if you 
>have any trouble.
>Regards from 
>Tom :)
>
>
>        From: abdullah Al-Ammari أبو العباس 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012, 23:00
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] missing file in libreoffice 3.6.3
> 
>
>إذا كانت 
>رسائلي
>مصدر إزعاج لك سأعتبر إقرارك بذلك هو لطفاً منك ولن تصلك أياً منها بعد 
>ذلك 
>وتأكد بأنني سوف أكون 
>متفهما لاستيائك ومثمناً لصراحتك 
>لان ذلك من ابسط 
>حقوقك
>وأما إذا أعجبتك فآمل مسح كامل 
>عنواني البريدي قبل إرسالها لمن
>
>تحب 
>If my 
>messages
>are a source of discomfort to you, I will consider your declaration 
>as a
>kindness from your part, and you will never receive 
>anything
>thereafter. But make sure that I will understand your opinion and 
>value
>your frankness because it is your
>simplest rights! dear admin,
>thank you and thanks for libreoffice teams that developing this 
>program.however, I download libreoffice 3.6.3 in my fedora 17 - x64 but I 
>found one file is missing 
>libreoffice3.3-redhat-menus-3.3-1.noarch.rpm
>I tried to run libreoffice without it but it doesn't work. I follow the 
>instructor I found in you www.libreoffice.org
>
>sincerely
>Abdullah Al-AmmariStudent @ King Fahd University
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Links in a writer document

[Dan Lewis]

On 11/09/2012 09:41 AM, paulwhitehurst wrote:

Tom:

Thanks.  That's what I tried.

My idea for the form was to allow the user to fill in data in a Writer table
cell.  Then, inside the spreadsheet I wanted to insert a DDE link to the
cell in a Writer table.  The spreadsheet would do the calculations for the
form and generate the result.  Ideally I could also link the output of the
spreadsheet back to a cell in the Writer table.

The problem with doing it this way is that the the spreadsheet doesn't
refresh when I enter data in the Writer table cell.  I tried creating the
OLE object as a new Calc file, but it doesn't  refresh.  I tried creating
the OLE object from an existing Calc file.  I got some of the cells in the
existing Calc file to refresh pretty well, but it didn't refresh the OLE
object embedded in the Writer document.  In any event, I would prefer not
having two files.  I would like to distribute this form.  I expect potential
users would be unfamiliar with LO.  I expect it would be to hard for them to
use it because both the files would need to be in the same directory and all
the links between the files made to work.

I can send you a draft of the form I'm working on to see if you might have
some suggestions.

Paul Whitehurst
 The Writer Guide contains  Chapter 15, "Using Forms in Writer". 
This sound like what you want to accomplish. The entire Guide or this 
chapter can be downloaded from

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Links in a writer document

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It sounds like you need to use Base for this.  Base is best as a decent 
database front-end and then have it reading/writing the data securely in a 
decent back-end such as, well it depends on roughly how much data you think you 
are going to generate.  MySql/MariaDb and Postgresql are very hefty and 
probably far larger than you will need.  

There is some documentation about using Base
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
but it's a bit of a work-in-progress.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: paulwhitehurst 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012, 14:41
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Links in a writer document
> 
>Tom:
>
>Thanks.  That's what I tried.
>
>My idea for the form was to allow the user to fill in data in a Writer table
>cell.  Then, inside the spreadsheet I wanted to insert a DDE link to the
>cell in a Writer table.  The spreadsheet would do the calculations for the
>form and generate the result.  Ideally I could also link the output of the
>spreadsheet back to a cell in the Writer table.
>
>The problem with doing it this way is that the the spreadsheet doesn't
>refresh when I enter data in the Writer table cell.  I tried creating the
>OLE object as a new Calc file, but it doesn't  refresh.  I tried creating
>the OLE object from an existing Calc file.  I got some of the cells in the
>existing Calc file to refresh pretty well, but it didn't refresh the OLE
>object embedded in the Writer document.  In any event, I would prefer not
>having two files.  I would like to distribute this form.  I expect potential
>users would be unfamiliar with LO.  I expect it would be to hard for them to
>use it because both the files would need to be in the same directory and all
>the links between the files made to work.
>
>I can send you a draft of the form I'm working on to see if you might have
>some suggestions.
>
>Paul Whitehurst
>
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Links in a writer document

[paulwhitehurst]

Tom:

Thanks.  That's what I tried.

My idea for the form was to allow the user to fill in data in a Writer table
cell.  Then, inside the spreadsheet I wanted to insert a DDE link to the
cell in a Writer table.  The spreadsheet would do the calculations for the
form and generate the result.  Ideally I could also link the output of the
spreadsheet back to a cell in the Writer table.

The problem with doing it this way is that the the spreadsheet doesn't
refresh when I enter data in the Writer table cell.  I tried creating the
OLE object as a new Calc file, but it doesn't  refresh.  I tried creating
the OLE object from an existing Calc file.  I got some of the cells in the
existing Calc file to refresh pretty well, but it didn't refresh the OLE
object embedded in the Writer document.  In any event, I would prefer not
having two files.  I would like to distribute this form.  I expect potential
users would be unfamiliar with LO.  I expect it would be to hard for them to
use it because both the files would need to be in the same directory and all
the links between the files made to work.

I can send you a draft of the form I'm working on to see if you might have
some suggestions.

Paul Whitehurst




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: locked in other OS

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The file-server runs on Debian.  My network admin tried explaining 
file-permissions but it went right over my head.  It's nice to have the link so 
i can try re-reading it until i understand it.  

I do see hidden files but no ~lock file.  

So, i think you are onto something with the permissions even though other 
programs don't seem to have the same problem.  Although if Word or other MSO 
stuff does i wouldn't have noticed of course.  I might test that later.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Steve Edmonds 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012, 22:20
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: locked in other OS
> 
>Hi.
>Is it a windows file server or a linux file server.
>Lock files are hidden, you need to turn on show hidden files to see them.
>steve
>
>On 2012-11-09 10:30, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Ahh, thanks.  I'm not sure why it doesn't happen with other programs but i 
>> think you are onto the answer there.  I'll read your link later.
>> Thanks and regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> 
>>> From: Luuk 
>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012, 20:13
>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: locked in other OS
>>>
>>> On 07-11-2012 12:57, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)

 When i save a file onto my company's network and then reopen it (still in 
 Ubuntu) it all works fine.  When my boss opens the file in Windows an 
 error-message pops-up saying that he can only open a copy or in Read-Only 
 mode.  It's closed on my machine but his one claims it's still open.  Then 
 my boss changes the name, edits the document, saves and closes.  Then when 
 i open the new version of the document it tells me i can only open in Read 
 Only (or a copy)!


 It does have a slight advantage in that it forces my boss to effectively 
 make backups and i am gradually encouraging a standard versioning system 
 other than
 filename-draft.doc
 filename-final.doc
 filename-FINAL.doc
 filename-revised.doc
 filename-final.doc
 in roughly random order and sometimes without the filename part so folders 
 end up full of documents that could be about anything.  Draft does not 
 always come first and may even be the final and revised might be a revised 
 draft or just be a draft.  Hence frequent shouts of "so which one am i 
 supposed to open?".  It's slow going but at least we seem to make 
 occasional steps forwards.

 So, i am not sure i really want to fix the problem but it's one of the 
 excuses some of my colleagues use to revert to inferior products instead 
 of going with LO.

 Regards from
 Tom :)

>>> Make sure permissions are set correctly.
>>>
>>> If i create a document on my shared drive (a linux system) from my
>>> Windows computer, its created like this:
>>>
>>> (from the command-prompt on linux:)
>>> luuk@opensuse:~/tmp> ls -l test.odt
>>> -rwxr--r-- 1 luuk users 8949 Nov  8 20:53 test.odt
>>>
>>> You, of course, notice the '-rwxr--r--' ath the start?
>>> The first 'rws' means the owner ('luuk') can read and write
>>> The second 'r--' means the group ('users') can read
>>> The third 'r--' meand the world can read
>>>
>>> If your boss opens, and saves under a different name, the owner of this
>>> new file will be your boss  ;)
>>>
>>> Learn about unix rights, and your problems will solve itself.
>>> ( read:
>>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-set-permissions-to-samba-shares.html
>>> )
>>>
>>>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Links in a writer document

[Tom]

Hi :)
Something like this?

calcINwriter.odt
  

If it works then you see an outlined but apparently empty box.  When you
double-click inside the box you see like a calc spreadsheet.  If you put
stuff into those cells then when you click outside the box (back in the
normal Writer area) then you see whatever you typed into those cells.  

I'm not sure if that is how you are supposed to do it but the modules/apps
of LO are meant to operate together in a very much more tightly integrated
way than most rivals.  Most rivals treat the different apps/modules (Writer,
Calc, Impress etc) as different apps that standalone.  StarOffice took a
different approach.  

I'm not sure if my way is what you are looking for so here is a link to
documentation
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
Hopefully someone will soon write in with more accurate ideas that help you
better than my quick 2 minute fumbling around.  

Regards from
Tom :)   



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Re: [libreoffice-users] missing file in libreoffice 3.6.3

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
It depends on which Operating System you are using.  Are you using Redhat?  
Something else in the Redhat family such as Scientific-Linux, CentOS or 
something?  Please let us know which Operating System you are using so we can 
help with the desktop integration.  


You don't really "need" the desktop integration packages.  In 'western' 
countries people use the word "need" far too much when they really mean "it 
might be quite nice" or "you might like".  Of course the term "western 
countries" is quite dumb considering that we all live on the same rotating ball 
and everywhere is eventually west of anywhere.  


Desktop integration is mostly about making LibreOffice look prettier.  At most 
it might include some improved context menus that you get when you right-click 
on files before opening them.  You don't really need them.  


So the 4 questions i have are 
1.  Have you been able to download LO from the official website?
2.  Have you been able to install the official version of LO, (apart from the 
desktop integration)?  

3.  Does LO seem to work?  
4.  Which OS are you using?


Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Michael Wu 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012, 6:27
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] missing file in libreoffice 3.6.3
> 
>Please use the "freedesktop" file instead.
>
>Regards from
>
>Michael
>
>abdullah Al-Ammari أبو العباس 提到:
>>
>> sorry for sending this again but I missed one thing in that one
>> referring to the installation instructor @ libreoffice.org
>> "The above command(s) does the first part of the installation process.
>>  To complete the process, you also need to install the desktop 
>> integration packages.
>> To do this, change directory to the desktop-integration directory that is 
>> within the RPMS directory, by entering the following command at the command 
>> line of a terminal window:
>>
>> cd desktop-integration
>> Now run the installation command again:
>> If you have a Fedora system, execute this command:
>>
>> su -c 'yum install libreoffice3.3-redhat-menus-3.3-1.noarch.rpm'"
>> the file redhat-menus (bold and italic one) seems to be really important and 
>> its not available on that linkmy system running (x86_x64), and I'm running 
>> the English version
>> I tried to find this file on the internet but I couldn't
>>
>> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:05:31 +
>> From: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] missing file in libreoffice 3.6.3
>> To: future_m...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org
>>
>> Hi :) 
>> Please can you try downloading again from
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/download/ 
>>
>> Well, navigate from there to the right language for you.  This link is to 
>> the next page, the one that lets you select which Operating System you are 
>> using.  
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?nodetect 
>>
>> Are you able to try this again or have you already tried a few times or do 
>> you have a download limit?  Please let us know how this goes this time or if 
>> you have any trouble.
>> Regards from 
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>         From: abdullah Al-Ammari أبو العباس 
>>  To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>>  Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012, 23:00
>>  Subject: [libreoffice-users] missing file in libreoffice 3.6.3
>>    
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>  
>> إذا كانت 
>> رسائلي
>> مصدر إزعاج لك سأعتبر إقرارك بذلك هو لطفاً منك ولن تصلك أياً منها بعد 
>> ذلك 
>> وتأكد بأنني سوف أكون 
>> متفهما لاستيائك ومثمناً لصراحتك 
>> لان ذلك من ابسط 
>> حقوقك
>> وأما إذا أعجبتك فآمل مسح كامل 
>> عنواني البريدي قبل إرسالها لمن
>>  
>> تحب 
>> If my 
>> messages
>> are a source of discomfort to you, I will consider your declaration 
>> as a
>> kindness from your part, and you will never receive 
>> anything
>> thereafter. But make sure that I will understand your opinion and 
>> value
>> your frankness because it is your
>> simplest rights! dear admin,
>> thank you and thanks for libreoffice teams that developing this 
>> program.however, I download libreoffice 3.6.3 in my fedora 17 - x64 but I 
>> found one file is missing 
>> libreoffice3.3-redhat-menus-3.3-1.noarch.rpm
>> I tried to run libreoffice without it but it doesn't work. I follow the 
>> instructor I found in you www.libreoffice.org
>>
>> sincerely
>> Abdullah Al-AmmariStudent @ King Fahd University
>>                            
>
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