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On 12/06/2012 02:25 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote:

Hi Anthony,

You could try looking here :

http://www.libreoffice.org/developers-2/


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base Form behavior.


On 12/06/2012 05:08 AM, Hank Alper wrote:

Hi Hank,

ith the same result. Is this a bug? Has anyone noticed this  type of

behavior ? Base seems to start out handling records in increments of  about
40 records until it finds the end of the file. Strange.
  Hank Alper


This is the programmed behaviour. Whether, as a UI experience, it is 
normal, is a matter of debate ;-)


The result set is cached, and the window display also caches part of the 
result set to avoid performance penalties by not having to redraw all 
elements of the window, hence the misleading information. Some work was 
done recently in 3.6/3.7/4.0 development to improve this handling, but 
it was mainly around the window refresh area from what I recall, as 
other changes to the code had caused this bit to be even slower, and not 
refresh at all, or at best take so long about it that the user got a 
blank screen :-/


So, at the moment, your best bet is probably to put in a request for 
enhancement, after having tested on LO 3.6.x to see if there's any 
difference when compared to 3.5.x.



Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Base Form behavior.

2012-12-05 Thread Hank Alper

Hi,
I've been composing an LO Base application using Mariano Casanova's
excellent tutorial (written for OO Base) as a guide and I'm pleased with
the progress I've been able to make thus far.
I have observed some strange behavior, however,when using the triangular
widgets in the navigation bar at the bottom of the forms. For example, when
I open a form which maintains tables currently containing  201 records, the
navigation bar indicates "1 of 41" records.As I click my way toward the end
of the file using the "next record widget" when I get to record 42 the
display reads "42 of 81 records". However, if I click on the widget for the
last record, the form displays the data for the last record and correctly
shows "201 of 201" records. Returning to the first record via the "start of
file widget" results in proper behavior. The navigation bar then shows "1
of 201" records and thereafter, when moving back and forth through the
records everything works properly.
I'm running LO Base 3.5 on a Windows 7 machine. I observed the same
behavior on OO Base and just downloaded LO 3,6 on another Win 7 machine
with the same result. Is this a bug? Has anyone noticed this  type of
behavior ? Base seems to start out handling records in increments of  about
40 records until it finds the end of the file. Strange.
 Hank Alper

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ubuntu Libreoffice

2012-12-05 Thread Aaron C Johnson

Hello-

Are you simply trying to install the latest release of LibreOffice or
are you just interested in compiling it?

dpkg is the debian package manager so no that command doesn't extract
it, it installs the binary to your system.

There really is no need to compile it if you are planning on using it
for normal every day use.

If you really want to compile then I would suggest you watch this video
that was just created for this purpose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gIqOOajdYQ&hd=1

On 12/05/2012 09:08 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:

Thanks! I'm guess that the "SUDO DPKG" command is meaning to extract the
files? i keep thinking there was something about a autogen.sh script (I
was reading about this somewhere on a compiling tuitorial) Doesn't LO
have such a thing?

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012, at 04:00 AM, Don Myers wrote:

Hi Anthony,

This is how I update to each new version of the Document Foundation
version of Libre Office. This is for the 64 bit version, but simply
substitute the 32 bit version for the 64 bit. This is for the latest
3.6.4.3 release:

Download LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz to the
desktop.
Right click on it and extract it to the desktop. This will give you the
folder LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US
Run the following terminal commands to install it:
1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice3.6-debian-menus_3.6.4-3_all.deb

I hope this helps you. This isn't exactly what you asked, but it does
work well for installing LibreOffice.

Don

On 12/05/2012 08:25 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:

Hey guys

I'm back after what seems like ages! anyway encountered a problem which
is probably due to inexperience but anyhow.

I was wondering if there was a simple way to compile a Tar ball version
of LO on ubuntu? I've searched all documentation but its doing my head
in!

Cheers

Anthony Easthope

antiso...@myopera.com

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ubuntu Libreoffice

2012-12-05 Thread Don Myers

You are most welcome, Anthony. I ran across this method about 4 years
ago to be able to update OpenOffice back then. Once you get past the
basics of the terminal, I'm not knowledgeable.

Don

On 12/05/2012 10:08 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012, at 04:00 AM, Don Myers wrote:

Hi Anthony,

I hope this helps you. This isn't exactly what you asked, but it does
work well for installing LibreOffice.

Don

On 12/05/2012 08:25 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:

Hey guys

I'm back after what seems like ages! anyway encountered a problem which
is probably due to inexperience but anyhow.

I was wondering if there was a simple way to compile a Tar ball version
of LO on ubuntu? I've searched all documentation but its doing my head
in!

Cheers

Anthony Easthope

antiso...@myopera.com

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ubuntu Libreoffice

2012-12-05 Thread Don Myers

Oops! I should have mentioned that I'm running Ubuntu 12.10. Also,
if you are using Unity, click on the Dash button after the install and
type Libre and then drag any of the LibreOffice components to the
launcher that you would like to have there.

Don

On 12/05/2012 10:00 PM, Don Myers wrote:

Hi Anthony,

Download LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz to the
desktop.
Right click on it and extract it to the desktop. This will give you
the folder LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US

Run the following terminal commands to install it:
1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice3.6-debian-menus_3.6.4-3_all.deb

I hope this helps you. This isn't exactly what you asked, but it does
work well for installing LibreOffice.

Don

On 12/05/2012 08:25 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:

Hey guys

I'm back after what seems like ages! anyway encountered a problem which
is probably due to inexperience but anyhow.

I was wondering if there was a simple way to compile a Tar ball version
of LO on ubuntu? I've searched all documentation but its doing my head
in!

Cheers

Anthony Easthope

antiso...@myopera.com

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ubuntu Libreoffice

2012-12-05 Thread Anthony Easthope

Thanks! I'm guess that the "SUDO DPKG" command is meaning to extract the
files? i keep thinking there was something about a autogen.sh script (I
was reading about this somewhere on a compiling tuitorial) Doesn't LO
have such a thing?

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012, at 04:00 AM, Don Myers wrote:
> Hi Anthony,
> 
> This is how I update to each new version of the Document Foundation 
> version of Libre Office. This is for the 64 bit version, but simply 
> substitute the 32 bit version for the 64 bit. This is for the latest 
> 3.6.4.3 release:
> 
> Download LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz to the
> desktop.
> Right click on it and extract it to the desktop. This will give you the 
> folder LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US
> Run the following terminal commands to install it:
> 1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
> 2. sudo dpkg -i 
> ~/Desktop/LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/*.deb
> 3. sudo dpkg -i 
> ~/Desktop/LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice3.6-debian-menus_3.6.4-3_all.deb
> 
> I hope this helps you. This isn't exactly what you asked, but it does 
> work well for installing LibreOffice.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> On 12/05/2012 08:25 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:
> > Hey guys
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm back after what seems like ages! anyway encountered a problem which
> > is probably due to inexperience but anyhow.
> >
> > I was wondering if there was a simple way to compile a Tar ball version
> > of LO on ubuntu? I've searched all documentation but its doing my head
> > in!
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
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> >
> > antiso...@myopera.com
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf import]

   Hey, you G-Men ... do you walk each morn' -
   takes me about 30-45 minutes to walk about 5 miles, care to join
me  ;-)



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> +1
> about the body image.  Women have travelled miles for just 1 sight of me.
> Unfortunately the direction is away from me not towards.
>
> "Reply to all" and then copy&paste?  List manager?
> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/
> errr i don't know about GMane.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Felmon Davis 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 9:21
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf  import]
> >
> >On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Tom Davies wrote:
> >
> >> Hi :)
> >>
> >> I think there is some default setting when you apply to these lists
> that sets it so you can't see your own posts except through Nabble or
> GMane.  So, it's not just GMail that is blocking him.
> >
> >who's the list-manager again?
> >
> >> Personally i think it's a huge benefit.  I see my own posts in people's
> replies and notice all the horrible tpyos and embarrasments that i didn't
> notice while typing.  So, i am quite glad of it.
> >
> >diff'rent strokes. I'd rather see my own posts than my own face and torso.
> >
> >> This crazy need for "Reply to" or whatever is a different story.  It's
> made it much more difficult to get through the posts and i make a lot more
> typing mistakes now too.
> >
> >it's impossible! I have to type in the correct mailing list address for
> every reply.
> >
> >> Regards from
> >> Tom :)
> >
> >apologies to Brian: I didn't see his post (it wasn't delivered for some
> reason).
> >
> >I wish I could wean myself of gmail.
> >
> >F.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> From: Brian Barker 
> >>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 3:03
> >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf
> import]
> >>>
> >>> At 15:19 04/12/2012 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:
>  I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch
> this on?
> >>>
> >>> Your problem is not with the LibreOffice list, but with your mail
> provider Gmail - which has a bug^H^H^H feature which suppresses copies
> distributed to you of your own messages to the list.
> >>>
> >>> Google says:
>  When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to,
> Gmail automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you
> time and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if someone
> responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message. If you'd
> like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or All Mail.
> >>>
> >>> It can be argued that this practice is unhelpful.
> >>>
> >>> I trust this helps.
> >>>
> >>> Brian Barker
> >>>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ubuntu Libreoffice

2012-12-05 Thread Don Myers

Hi Anthony,

Download LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz to the desktop.
Right click on it and extract it to the desktop. This will give you the
folder LibO_3.6.4.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US

I hope this helps you. This isn't exactly what you asked, but it does
work well for installing LibreOffice.

Don

On 12/05/2012 08:25 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:

Hey guys

I'm back after what seems like ages! anyway encountered a problem which
is probably due to inexperience but anyhow.

I was wondering if there was a simple way to compile a Tar ball version
of LO on ubuntu? I've searched all documentation but its doing my head
in!

Cheers

Anthony Easthope

antiso...@myopera.com

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Re: [libreoffice-users] tab behind end margin

2012-12-05 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi. I am assuming you are meaning to put the note in a frame or text 
box. (Insert>frame) or drawing tools.

You can turn the frame line off so it does not look like a box.
Steve

On 2012-12-06 15:34, anne-ology wrote:

When you set the margins, the text will wrap within that area.

Are you attempting to write notes within the margins? -
if so, then you might be able to write your note, then paste it
- as you would an image - where you wish it to be.



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:18 AM, metaphalon  wrote:

Hi

The feature list of LO 3.5 states, that it is possible to set the tab stop
behind the end margin, so the following text can continue after the tab
stop.
I tried this and, I was not able to get it to work, instead a newline is
inserted.

It would be nice, if anyone could give me a hint or tell me if additional
setting have to be made.

Best regards
Sven





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf import]

   If this is a poll, I like this feature in g-mail - and others;
   for those who wish to see all, use the 'all mail' rather than
the 'inbox'  ;-)

   If this is a poll, I still detest this list's reply feature ...
having to doctor the e-addresses is time-consuming & frustrating; and
causes errors.

   The Pole went to the poll only to find a pole; so he set out to
polish his Polish furniture ...  ;-)



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Felmon Davis  wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>  Hi :)
>>
>> I think there is some default setting when you apply to these lists that
>> sets it so you can't see your own posts except through Nabble or GMane.
>> So, it's not just GMail that is blocking him.
>>
>
> who's the list-manager again?
>
>
>  Personally i think it's a huge benefit.  I see my own posts in people's
>> replies and notice all the horrible typos and embarrassments that i didn't
>> notice while typing.  So, i am quite glad of it.
>>
>
> diff'rent strokes. I'd rather see my own posts than my own face and torso.
>
>
>  This crazy need for "Reply to" or whatever is a different story.  It's
>> made it much more difficult to get through the posts and i make a lot more
>> typing mistakes now too.
>>
>
> it's impossible! I have to type in the correct mailing list address for
> every reply.
>
>  Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>
> apologies to Brian: I didn't see his post (it wasn't delivered for some
> reason).
>
> I wish I could wean myself of gmail.
>
> F.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> From: Brian Barker 
>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 3:03
>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf
>>>  import]
>>>
>>> At 15:19 04/12/2012 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:
>>>
 I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this
 on?

>>>
>>> Your problem is not with the LibreOffice list, but with your mail
>>> provider Gmail - which has a bug^H^H^H feature which suppresses copies
>>> distributed to you of your own messages to the list.
>>>
>>> Google says:
>>>
 When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail
 automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you time
 and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if someone
 responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message. If you'd
 like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or All Mail.

>>>
>>> It can be argued that this practice is unhelpful.
>>>
>>> I trust this helps.
>>>
>>> Brian Barker
>>>
>>>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] tab behind end margin

   When you set the margins, the text will wrap within that area.

   Are you attempting to write notes within the margins? -
   if so, then you might be able to write your note, then paste it
- as you would an image - where you wish it to be.



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:18 AM, metaphalon  wrote:

Hi
>
> The feature list of LO 3.5 states, that it is possible to set the tab stop
> behind the end margin, so the following text can continue after the tab
> stop.
> I tried this and, I was not able to get it to work, instead a newline is
> inserted.
>
> It would be nice, if anyone could give me a hint or tell me if additional
> setting have to be made.
>
> Best regards
> Sven
>
>

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[libreoffice-users] Ubuntu Libreoffice

2012-12-05 Thread Anthony Easthope

Hey guys



I'm back after what seems like ages! anyway encountered a problem which
is probably due to inexperience but anyhow.

I was wondering if there was a simple way to compile a Tar ball version
of LO on ubuntu? I've searched all documentation but its doing my head
in!



Cheers



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .

2012-12-05 Thread Girvin R. Herr




Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I'm not sure what i did.  Something fairly hideous.  I think i might have used 
Gimp to make it into a Gif or Png image and then inserted that.  I'm kinda 
flailing around with Pdfs at the moment.
Regards from
Tom :)  

  

Tom,
That does sound painful! 
As a test, I was successful at Inserting a PDF as a Draw OLE object in a 
Writer document.  Here is what I did:


  1. Using the PDF importer, I opened the PDF file, which brings up Draw.
  2. While in Draw, I saved the PDF file as an ODF Draw file.
  3. I opened a new Writer document.
  4. Using Insert -> Object -> OLE Object -> LibreOffice 3.5 Drawing, I
 got a Draw window embedded in the Writer document.
  5. Double-click on the Draw object window to bring up the draw OLE.
  6. Open the ODF file saved in step #2.
  7. Click outside the Draw OLE window (anywhere in the document but
 the Draw OLE window) to get out of Draw.
  8. You should have the PDF image from step #1 now in Writer.

Note that the PDF importer does not seem to work if attempting to 
directly open the PDF file in step #6.  It seems to think it is opening 
the PDF in Writer, not the Draw OLE window.  There are many limitations 
to the Draw OLE that the Draw program itself does not have.
You may have to do some scaling or dragging the Draw window tags around 
to get the size you want.  Note that the Object properties dialog has a 
lot to do with formatting this object (right click on the Draw OLE -> 
select Object).

Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr





  


From: Girvin R. Herr 
To: Tom Davies  
Cc: Felmon Davis ; "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 23:34

Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page 
- see if this is a good format. . .



Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)
There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf "and what-not" as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele).  Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though).
  

Tom,
Actually, no.  I found it was fairly easy to do in Draw.


One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i returned it as a Pdf!  It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it had one question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest of the line empty.  I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, added a 2 column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form and then wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf.  I was really chuffed because it's the first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a complaint!
  

That was their problem, not yours.  Sounds like they are in the last century.  Unless 
they wanted the ability to change your entries without your permission.  I hope you 
didn't sign it! How did you "pull" the PDF form into Writer?!


Girvin Herr


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[libreoffice-users] Merging with Calc only

2012-12-05 Thread J. Michael Morse

I would like to handout worksheets to students with their names already 
printed on it.


I have a workbook in Calc with two spreadsheets.  The first spreadsheet 
is simply a list of names (NAMES).  The second spreadsheet is a form 
with, among other things, a name field (FORM).  I would like to print 
FORM as many times as the NAMES field contains, and of course have each 
form with each individual name on it.


I have googled this and seen many results but they all refer to using 
Writer.  Can this be done using just Calc?


Cheers.

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[libreoffice-users] Merging with Calc only

2012-12-05 Thread J. Michael Morse

I would like to handout worksheets to students with their names already 
printed on it.


I have a workbook in Calc with two spreadsheets.  The first spreadsheet 
is simply a list of names (NAMES).  The second spreadsheet is a form 
with, among other things, a name field (FORM).  I would like to print 
FORM as many times as the NAMES field contains, and of course have each 
form with each individual name on it.


I have googled this and seen many results but they all refer to using 
Writer.  Can this be done using just Calc?


Cheers.

Michael

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .

Hi :)
I'm not sure what i did.  Something fairly hideous.  I think i might have used 
Gimp to make it into a Gif or Png image and then inserted that.  I'm kinda 
flailing around with Pdfs at the moment.
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Girvin R. Herr 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: Felmon Davis ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 23:34
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide 
>page - see if this is a good format. . .
> 
>
>
>Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf "and what-not" as Amiko says in 
>> interviews on Nasa tele).  Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper 
>> Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people 
>> try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf 
>> reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded 
>> like a Pita though).    
>Tom,
>Actually, no.  I found it was fairly easy to do in Draw.
>
>> One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i 
>> returned it as a Pdf!  It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it 
>> had one question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest 
>> of the line empty.  I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, 
>> added a 2 column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form 
>> and then wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf.  I was really chuffed because 
>> it's the first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a 
>> complaint!    
>That was their problem, not yours.  Sounds like they are in the last century.  
>Unless they wanted the ability to change your entries without your 
>permission.  I hope you didn't sign it! How did you "pull" the PDF form into 
>Writer?!
>
>
>Girvin Herr
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .

2012-12-05 Thread Girvin R. Herr

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf "and what-not" as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele). Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though).

Tom,
Actually, no. I found it was fairly easy to do in Draw.

One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i returned it as a Pdf! It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it had one question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest of the line empty. I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, added a 2 column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form and then wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf. I was really chuffed because it's the first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a complaint!

That was their problem, not yours. Sounds like they are in the last
century. Unless they wanted the ability to change your entries without
your permission. I hope you didn't sign it!
How did you "pull" the PDF form into Writer?!

Girvin Herr

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Chart Range Entire Column

Le 05/12/2012 22:55, Alex Thurgood a écrit :

>>
> 
> The Base one won't help you at the moment because Charts appear to be
> partly broken in the report designer :
> 
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48056
> 

Hmm, also these :

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48251 (dup of 48056)

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53176 (dup of 48056)

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48315 (dup of 48056)


Not looking very rosy for charts at the mo when created in a report.


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Chart Range Entire Column

Le 05/12/2012 21:21, Joel Madero a écrit :

Hi Joel,

> I'll look into both solutions provided although the Base one kind of goes
> outside of the scope of what I'm looking for. This is an issue that has
> applied to a lot of spreadsheets for me and an auto update feature would be
> really useful. My spreadsheet structure is like this:
> 

The Base one won't help you at the moment because Charts appear to be
partly broken in the report designer :

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48056

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Issues Mac OS X

2012-12-05 Thread Steve Edmonds


I have OSX 10.6.8 and LO 3.5.4.2 and have not had these problems.
Did you want to try removing your LO and installing another version.
Steve

On 2012-12-06 10:18, Oogie McGuire wrote:

I have tried with both the default set by restoring to defaults which has Times 
as the main font in writer and Arial for Calc and also setting my default fonts 
to something else. I've modified preferences and also restored them to defaults

Doesn't matter what I do I still have the problem where periodically documents 
that were perfectly fine the last time I opened them, will suddenly have 
invisible fonts. When it happens the drop down menu of fonts has a blank line 
where that font name should be.

No rhyme or reason for why or when the problem crops up.

Nothing I've tried fixes the help file problem. It's always totally blank no 
matter what I do. Makes it impossible to get any help if I can't read it.


On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:


Something to try: open Wrtier with a blank document ("Untitled"). Use this key 
combination: Command+T. This opens the Styles and Formatting window. The list you see are 
the paragraphs styles. Locate Default in that list. Then Control+Click Default and select 
Modify from the context menu. Click the Font tab. This has three lists: Family, the 
Typeface, and the font sizes. See if you can change what you need here.
 If you open Calc and use these same key combinations, you should be able 
to do the same thing.
 Another key combination to use with Writer open: Command+, (Command key and 
comma). This opens Preference. Look at LibreOffice Writer -> Basic Fonts 
Western. There you can set the font that you want to use for LibreOffice and the 
font sizes for specific categories.
 If I had my choice, I would use the Styles and Formatting window for 
changing fonts and their sizes. I have been doing this on my Mac for the past 4 
years with no problems with originally OpenOffice.org and lately LibreOffice.

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/
Paonia, CO USA





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Issues Mac OS X

2012-12-05 Thread Dan Lewis

 You are using 3.5.6. Since that time, 3.5.7 was issued to fix a 
bug but I don't remember why right now. 3.5.7 might not have that 
problem. Also the newest release is 3.6.3 with 3.6.4 coming soon. 3.6.3 
might also not have this problem.
 I agree that this can be frustrating. I do seem to remember of 
your problem with help some time in the past, but I don't remember what 
the problem was. I'm not even sure how to even search for it on the 
Internet. Sorry.


--Dan

On 12/05/2012 04:18 PM, Oogie McGuire wrote:

I have tried with both the default set by restoring to defaults which has Times 
as the main font in writer and Arial for Calc and also setting my default fonts 
to something else. I've modified preferences and also restored them to defaults

Doesn't matter what I do I still have the problem where periodically documents 
that were perfectly fine the last time I opened them, will suddenly have 
invisible fonts. When it happens the drop down menu of fonts has a blank line 
where that font name should be.

No rhyme or reason for why or when the problem crops up.

Nothing I've tried fixes the help file problem. It's always totally blank no 
matter what I do. Makes it impossible to get any help if I can't read it.


On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:


Something to try: open Wrtier with a blank document ("Untitled"). Use this key 
combination: Command+T. This opens the Styles and Formatting window. The list you see are 
the paragraphs styles. Locate Default in that list. Then Control+Click Default and select 
Modify from the context menu. Click the Font tab. This has three lists: Family, the 
Typeface, and the font sizes. See if you can change what you need here.
 If you open Calc and use these same key combinations, you should be able 
to do the same thing.
 Another key combination to use with Writer open: Command+, (Command key and 
comma). This opens Preference. Look at LibreOffice Writer -> Basic Fonts 
Western. There you can set the font that you want to use for LibreOffice and the 
font sizes for specific categories.
 If I had my choice, I would use the Styles and Formatting window for 
changing fonts and their sizes. I have been doing this on my Mac for the past 4 
years with no problems with originally OpenOffice.org and lately LibreOffice.

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/
Paonia, CO USA





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Issues Mac OS X

2012-12-05 Thread Oogie McGuire

I have tried with both the default set by restoring to defaults which has Times 
as the main font in writer and Arial for Calc and also setting my default fonts 
to something else. I've modified preferences and also restored them to defaults

Doesn't matter what I do I still have the problem where periodically documents 
that were perfectly fine the last time I opened them, will suddenly have 
invisible fonts. When it happens the drop down menu of fonts has a blank line 
where that font name should be.

No rhyme or reason for why or when the problem crops up.

Nothing I've tried fixes the help file problem. It's always totally blank no 
matter what I do. Makes it impossible to get any help if I can't read it.

On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

> Something to try: open Wrtier with a blank document ("Untitled"). Use this 
> key combination: Command+T. This opens the Styles and Formatting window. The 
> list you see are the paragraphs styles. Locate Default in that list. Then 
> Control+Click Default and select Modify from the context menu. Click the Font 
> tab. This has three lists: Family, the Typeface, and the font sizes. See if 
> you can change what you need here.
> If you open Calc and use these same key combinations, you should be able 
> to do the same thing.
> Another key combination to use with Writer open: Command+, (Command key 
> and comma). This opens Preference. Look at LibreOffice Writer -> Basic Fonts 
> Western. There you can set the font that you want to use for LibreOffice and 
> the font sizes for specific categories.
> If I had my choice, I would use the Styles and Formatting window for 
> changing fonts and their sizes. I have been doing this on my Mac for the past 
> 4 years with no problems with originally OpenOffice.org and lately 
> LibreOffice.

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire 
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/  
Paonia, CO USA

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Issues Mac OS X

2012-12-05 Thread Dan Lewis


On 12/05/2012 12:23 PM, Oogie McGuire wrote:

I've searched but none of the threads I can find seem to exactly cover my 
problem and various possible fixes about verifying the fonts are installed 
correctly haven't helped.

Some fonts on my system suddenly become unavailable to LO. It happens in Calc 
and Writer.

A typical symptom is that a spreadsheet I have that has been running fine for 
years and uses say Geneva font size 10 will suddenly be unreadable. All the 
cells will be blank and the font name is blank on the font drop down list. I 
can usually get it fixed by quitting LO and re-opening but sometimes it takes 
several tries.

In writer I can get a document and it also appears blank.  again, the fonts are 
installed correctly and in all cases they work just fine under MS Office with 
no changes.

Related is that in Calc if I click the upper left blank corner to select the 
entire sheet, and change the font I cannot change the size of the font. I've 
had cases where within a single cell, due to cut past issues, I end up with 
text in 2 or more font sizes. I want to be able to just reset the entire sheet 
to my preferred font and size. I can change the font but not the size that way 
even though it appears to be working it doesn't actually change the font.

And finally no matter what I do the help file is blank when I open it up. I 
believe it's a related font issue but cannot seem to fix it.

OS X 10.6.8
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2
Build ID: e0fbe70-dcba98b-297ab39-994e618-0f858f0

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/
Paonia, CO USA
 Something to try: open Wrtier with a blank document ("Untitled"). 
Use this key combination: Command+T. This opens the Styles and 
Formatting window. The list you see are the paragraphs styles. Locate 
Default in that list. Then Control+Click Default and select Modify from 
the context menu. Click the Font tab. This has three lists: Family, the 
Typeface, and the font sizes. See if you can change what you need here.
 If you open Calc and use these same key combinations, you should 
be able to do the same thing.
 Another key combination to use with Writer open: Command+, 
(Command key and comma). This opens Preference. Look at LibreOffice 
Writer -> Basic Fonts Western. There you can set the font that you want 
to use for LibreOffice and the font sizes for specific categories.
 If I had my choice, I would use the Styles and Formatting window 
for changing fonts and their sizes. I have been doing this on my Mac for 
the past 4 years with no problems with originally OpenOffice.org and 
lately LibreOffice.


--Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column

2012-12-05 Thread Joel Madero

I'll look into both solutions provided although the Base one kind of goes
outside of the scope of what I'm looking for. This is an issue that has
applied to a lot of spreadsheets for me and an auto update feature would be
really useful. My spreadsheet structure is like this:

A|B|C
Date|Income|Expenses
YY/DD/MM||

It seems like this wouldn't be the best for a database and seems to be
perfect for a spreadsheet.


Many thanks, I will be putting this into FDO as an enhancement request, I
believe that MSO does it but not positive.


Regards,
Joel


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:

> I forgot to Reply All, I'm sorry.
> ---
> Gabriele Ponzo
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Gabriele Ponzo 
> Date: 2012/12/5
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column
> To: Joel Madero 
>
>
> What You seem to be looking for is an auto-scaling feature which I
> don't believe has been yet implemented.
>
> Scientifically is correct that if you specify a range of x rows, the
> graphic makes room for all af them, even if empty, because if they are
> in the range, their data has to be considered (even null).
>
> By the way it's an interesting point of view and could be suggested as
> a new feature to be added as an option for instance, I think, because
> it could be useful as well.
>
> What I can tell You to solve this, for the moment, is to double click
> into the graphic to go editing it, and then double click the Date's
> axis. Now You can specify in the first Tab (Scale) the Maximum Value,
> avoiding the Automatic Option. In this way it will render just the
> portion of Data You'll need.
>
> It still requires to edit the graphic, but I think it's surely better
> and faster than having to modify the Data Values Area. And I think You
> could do this once a quad, leaving not too much blank space at the end
> of the graphic.
>
> I really hope to have been useful for You and all people reading, and
> also to have aimed a good solution without forgetting other ones which
> could have been simpler.
> ---
> Gabriele Ponzo
>
>
> 2012/12/5 Joel Madero :
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I want to know if there's a way to make a chart range be an entire column
> > so that if I add data I don't have to manually alter the range. For
> > instance, every month I do expenses and the new row would be "MM/"
> then
> > there's expenses and income listed, every time I add a new entry I have
> to
> > manually update the data range which is a hassle. If I select the entire
> > column as a data range it automatically adjusts to the last row with
> data.
> > Furthermore, if I just do a range that has like 10,000 extra rows (Maybe
> > A1:A1) the chart is squished (it doesn't auto adjust according to
> logic
> > of where last cell contains data and then update when new data is
> entered).
> >
> > Many thanks as always,
> > Joel
> >
> > --
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Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column

2012-12-05 Thread Gabriele Ponzo

I forgot to Reply All, I'm sorry.
---
Gabriele Ponzo

-- Forwarded message --
From: Gabriele Ponzo 
Date: 2012/12/5
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column
To: Joel Madero 

What You seem to be looking for is an auto-scaling feature which I
don't believe has been yet implemented.

Scientifically is correct that if you specify a range of x rows, the
graphic makes room for all af them, even if empty, because if they are
in the range, their data has to be considered (even null).

By the way it's an interesting point of view and could be suggested as
a new feature to be added as an option for instance, I think, because
it could be useful as well.

What I can tell You to solve this, for the moment, is to double click
into the graphic to go editing it, and then double click the Date's
axis. Now You can specify in the first Tab (Scale) the Maximum Value,
avoiding the Automatic Option. In this way it will render just the
portion of Data You'll need.

It still requires to edit the graphic, but I think it's surely better
and faster than having to modify the Data Values Area. And I think You
could do this once a quad, leaving not too much blank space at the end
of the graphic.

I really hope to have been useful for You and all people reading, and
also to have aimed a good solution without forgetting other ones which
could have been simpler.
---
Gabriele Ponzo

2012/12/5 Joel Madero :
> Hi All,
>
> I want to know if there's a way to make a chart range be an entire column
> so that if I add data I don't have to manually alter the range. For
> instance, every month I do expenses and the new row would be "MM/" then
> there's expenses and income listed, every time I add a new entry I have to
> manually update the data range which is a hassle. If I select the entire
> column as a data range it automatically adjusts to the last row with data.
> Furthermore, if I just do a range that has like 10,000 extra rows (Maybe
> A1:A1) the chart is squished (it doesn't auto adjust according to logic
> of where last cell contains data and then update when new data is entered).
>
> Many thanks as always,
> Joel
>
> --
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column

2012-12-05 Thread Dan Lewis


On 12/05/2012 01:55 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

I want to know if there's a way to make a chart range be an entire column
so that if I add data I don't have to manually alter the range. For
instance, every month I do expenses and the new row would be "MM/" then
there's expenses and income listed, every time I add a new entry I have to
manually update the data range which is a hassle. If I select the entire
column as a data range it automatically adjusts to the last row with data.
Furthermore, if I just do a range that has like 10,000 extra rows (Maybe
A1:A1) the chart is squished (it doesn't auto adjust according to logic
of where last cell contains data and then update when new data is entered).

Many thanks as always,
Joel
 Would setting up your Calc spreadsheet as a database eliminate 
this problem? Then create the chart as a report using Base as a front 
end and HSQLDB as the back  end.
 I would be curious as to the structure of your chart (columns and 
rows) to see if I could create a report for my personal financial 
database. I might even be able to add this to chapter 4 of the Base 
Guide for others.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Issues Mac OS X

2012-12-05 Thread Steve Edmonds


Hi.
In my mac I see the font file for Geneva is .dfont. For arial (and the 
others I use) I have a .ttf. (I think I deleted the mac arial and added 
the ttf because the mac arial threw my spacing out on documents with 
arial). Don't know if it makes a difference, also tried a document in 
Geneva and it seems ok so far.

steve

On 2012-12-06 06:23, Oogie McGuire wrote:

I've searched but none of the threads I can find seem to exactly cover my 
problem and various possible fixes about verifying the fonts are installed 
correctly haven't helped.

Some fonts on my system suddenly become unavailable to LO. It happens in Calc 
and Writer.

A typical symptom is that a spreadsheet I have that has been running fine for 
years and uses say Geneva font size 10 will suddenly be unreadable. All the 
cells will be blank and the font name is blank on the font drop down list. I 
can usually get it fixed by quitting LO and re-opening but sometimes it takes 
several tries.

In writer I can get a document and it also appears blank.  again, the fonts are 
installed correctly and in all cases they work just fine under MS Office with 
no changes.

Related is that in Calc if I click the upper left blank corner to select the 
entire sheet, and change the font I cannot change the size of the font. I've 
had cases where within a single cell, due to cut past issues, I end up with 
text in 2 or more font sizes. I want to be able to just reset the entire sheet 
to my preferred font and size. I can change the font but not the size that way 
even though it appears to be working it doesn't actually change the font.

And finally no matter what I do the help file is blank when I open it up. I 
believe it's a related font issue but cannot seem to fix it.

OS X 10.6.8
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2
Build ID: e0fbe70-dcba98b-297ab39-994e618-0f858f0

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/
Paonia, CO USA





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[libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column

2012-12-05 Thread Joel Madero

Hi All,

I want to know if there's a way to make a chart range be an entire column
so that if I add data I don't have to manually alter the range. For
instance, every month I do expenses and the new row would be "MM/" then
there's expenses and income listed, every time I add a new entry I have to
manually update the data range which is a hassle. If I select the entire
column as a data range it automatically adjusts to the last row with data.
Furthermore, if I just do a range that has like 10,000 extra rows (Maybe
A1:A1) the chart is squished (it doesn't auto adjust according to logic
of where last cell contains data and then update when new data is entered).

Many thanks as always,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font Issues Mac OS X

2012-12-05 Thread Oogie McGuire

No preferences for a default font, only the option to set up a font 
substitution table. Which is empty in the way the system is installed 
initially. No Idea how to even start setting it to work. . 

I've also run the font book app and verified that all fonts are ok and there 
are no duplicates.

I have already tried deleting my user profile but that doesn't help. 

On Dec 5, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote:

> Le 05/12/2012 18:23, Oogie McGuire a écrit :
> 
> Hi Oogie,
> 
>> And finally no matter what I do the help file is blank when I open it up. I 
>> believe it's a related font issue but cannot seem to fix it. 
> 
> Which fonts is LO configured to use for the basic display of the
> application ? In Preferences, there should be something that lets you
> set the default font, and possibly a substitute font for rendering if
> the initial one isn't there ?
> 
> Failing that, I would suggest moving/deleting your LO-user profile (make
> sure LO isn't running first), and then letting LO create a new one when
> you restart, to see if that helps at all.
> 
> 
> Alex
> 

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire 
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/  
Paonia, CO USA


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font Issues Mac OS X

Le 05/12/2012 18:23, Oogie McGuire a écrit :

Hi Oogie,


> Some fonts on my system suddenly become unavailable to LO. It happens in Calc 
> and Writer.

This has been known to happen, I've seen it with Writer, but don't
recall it happening with Calc (yet), possibly because I wasn't using one
of the affected fonts in that sheet.

> 
> And finally no matter what I do the help file is blank when I open it up. I 
> believe it's a related font issue but cannot seem to fix it. 

Which fonts is LO configured to use for the basic display of the
application ? In Preferences, there should be something that lets you
set the default font, and possibly a substitute font for rendering if
the initial one isn't there ?

Failing that, I would suggest moving/deleting your LO-user profile (make
sure LO isn't running first), and then letting LO create a new one when
you restart, to see if that helps at all.


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Font Issues Mac OS X

2012-12-05 Thread Oogie McGuire

I've searched but none of the threads I can find seem to exactly cover my 
problem and various possible fixes about verifying the fonts are installed 
correctly haven't helped. 

Some fonts on my system suddenly become unavailable to LO. It happens in Calc 
and Writer.

A typical symptom is that a spreadsheet I have that has been running fine for 
years and uses say Geneva font size 10 will suddenly be unreadable. All the 
cells will be blank and the font name is blank on the font drop down list. I 
can usually get it fixed by quitting LO and re-opening but sometimes it takes 
several tries. 

In writer I can get a document and it also appears blank.  again, the fonts are 
installed correctly and in all cases they work just fine under MS Office with 
no changes. 

Related is that in Calc if I click the upper left blank corner to select the 
entire sheet, and change the font I cannot change the size of the font. I've 
had cases where within a single cell, due to cut past issues, I end up with 
text in 2 or more font sizes. I want to be able to just reset the entire sheet 
to my preferred font and size. I can change the font but not the size that way 
even though it appears to be working it doesn't actually change the font. 

And finally no matter what I do the help file is blank when I open it up. I 
believe it's a related font issue but cannot seem to fix it. 

OS X 10.6.8
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 
Build ID: e0fbe70-dcba98b-297ab39-994e618-0f858f0

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire 
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/  
Paonia, CO USA


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[OT] pun/counterpun (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...)

2012-12-05 Thread Felmon Davis


On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:


  cute, cuter, cutest ...
  you're surely t' best.

  [further comments below]



On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Felmon Davis  wrote:

On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:


   you took all my puns away ...




just doing humanity a service.



  [http://www.thepunalsorises.com/]


   I haven't any more; but ne'er fear,

  the punster will re-appear  ;-)



we are armed.



Tom Jefferson complained in 1787 about all the punning going on at the 
Consitutional convention in Philadelphia; I think he struck the right 
note when he wrote to Abigail Adams:


"The people at large view every object only as it may furnish puns and 
bon mots; and I pronounce that a good punster would disarm the whole 
nation were they ever so seriously disposed to revolt.”



  ["... to take Arms against a Sea of troubles, And by opposing end
them" yet I've punned with the best of 'em, ne'er taken yet  ;-) ]


watch out lest you be outpunned.

(btw I don't buy Pollack's theory. quote from Jefferson from 
)



[...]

I think the 'r' stands for 'remote' but I don't know; the source doesn't
need to be 'remote' though. I just backed up one older external drive I
have (was making funny noises) to another newer one.



  [funny noises, eh ... maybe it was speaking to you in its own
language  ;-) ]


yeah, only I was the one making the noises.

F.


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Felmon Davis  wrote:

On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:



   rsync  ???



  I think i are sinking fast ...

sink  vb sinks, sinking, sank ; sunk, sunken



you are probably just joshing around but 'sync' has nothing to do with
'sink'; one is germanic, the other is greek.

'syn'+'chronos' as in 'synchronize'.

sometimes the spelling of words, like the syntax of directory paths,
matters.

(and 'syntax' has nothing to do with 'sin' or 'taxes'!)

'rsync' is a great utility; I assume it's available for Windows but I
don't know but there's certainly equivalent stuff.

Felmon Davis






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rsync, dd (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...)

2012-12-05 Thread Felmon Davis


On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)

If rsync is available on Windows then it might not be so easy to 
charge people so much for apps that do back-ups.  Unless no-one knew 
about it of course. 


kind of like with LO

anyway, there are Windows versions.

I tried a back-up utility that looked great until i used it to 
restore a bootable Windows and found the Windows boot-loader was 
completely lost because things were not in exactly the right place. 


in my experience Windows7 puts some kind of 'metadata' file at some 
exact location in the middle or towards the end of the 'boot' 
partition; it screws up if it doesn't find it exactly where it expects 
it. thus one has to be cautious about resizing a Windows partition 
with non-Windows software.


Someone suggested using dd but to grep it through some archiving 
tool.  I did fix the Windows restored drive but by installing 
Grub2.  Grub2 survived the back-up and restore process but it felt 
like i was cheating because the whole purpose was to restore the 
machine to exactly the way it arrived from the store. 


I'm going to ask about grepping a dd through an archiving tool on 
http://www.linuxquestions.org

to see if they can give me a good idea of how to actually write the command. 


it's easier just to google it (I always forget the syntax); lot of 
useful pages but perhaps this is a start 
.


the thing about dd is that it is _exact_ so suppose you have 30g on a 
100g partition; dd will copy all 110g including 'empty' space. this 
also means you cannot restore to a partition that is smaller than 
100g.


this is good for that Windows 7 issue since everything is exactly in 
place. I'd be more inclined to shrink that partition using Windows, 
thus avoiding the metadata problem, and then back up, etc.



Regards from
Tom :) 


F.



From: Felmon Davis 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 19:23

Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...

On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:


       rsync  ???

       I think i are sinking fast ...

sink  vb sinks, sinking, sank ; sunk, sunken


you are probably just joshing around but 'sync' has nothing to do with 'sink'; 
one is germanic, the other is greek.

'syn'+'chronos' as in 'synchronize'.

sometimes the spelling of words, like the syntax of directory paths, matters.

(and 'syntax' has nothing to do with 'sin' or 'taxes'!)

'rsync' is a great utility; I assume it's available for Windows but I don't 
know but there's certainly equivalent stuff.

F.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...

   dd greps the grub  ;-)

   and just as I thought it was safe to go back in the water  ;-)



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> If rsync is available on Windows then it might not be so easy to charge
> people so much for apps that do back-ups.  Unless no-one knew about it of
> course.
>
> I tried a back-up utility that looked great until i used it to restore a
> bootable Windows and found the Windows boot-loader was completely lost
> because things were not in exactly the right place.  Someone suggested
> using dd but to grep it through some archiving tool.  I did fix the Windows
> restored drive but by installing Grub2.  Grub2 survived the back-up and
> restore process but it felt like i was cheating because the whole purpose
> was to restore the machine to exactly the way it arrived from the store.
>
> I'm going to ask about grepping a dd through an archiving tool on
> http://www.linuxquestions.org
> to see if they can give me a good idea of how to actually write the
> command.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Felmon Davis 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 19:23
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...
> >
> >On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:
> >
> >>   rsync  ???
> >>
> >>   I think i are sinking fast ...
> >>
> >> sink  vb sinks, sinking, sank ; sunk, sunken
> >
> >you are probably just joshing around but 'sync' has nothing to do with
> 'sink'; one is germanic, the other is greek.
> >
> >'syn'+'chronos' as in 'synchronize'.
> >
> >sometimes the spelling of words, like the syntax of directory paths,
> matters.
> >
> >(and 'syntax' has nothing to do with 'sin' or 'taxes'!)
> >
> >'rsync' is a great utility; I assume it's available for Windows but I
> don't know but there's certainly equivalent stuff.
> >
> >F.
> >
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...

   Ok, I've placed rsync on my todo list ... will 'search' and learn
more re. this aspect of these 'glorified typewriters'.

   Thank you to both you helpful souls!



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> grsync has a nice pretty gui front-end but uses
> rsync
> to do the work, of course.  Rsync works from the command-line and has more
> options but GRsync is easier for point&click users like me.
>
> One advantage is that it keeps permissions intact whereas copy&paste or
> drag&drop tend to twist things so that the current user can read/write.
> Not something you want with system files.
>
> I was just making the point that LO's User Profile is happy to let the
> user mess around with it quite a lot.  Evolution's gets really grumbly
> about it and you soemtimes have to export your stuff from inside the
> program, then upgrade, then open the new versions and import.  VERY
> different from the friendliness of LO's user profile.
>
>
> Btw thanks for the warning about hard-drive noises.  My new machine at
> work has started making occasional noises but it's so intermittent i was
> ignoring them.  Good idea to back-up now right!?!  I used to know someone
> that would always leave it until it made horrible grinding noises but then
> he kept losing data.  I'm really glad i am not living in a hot, sandy,
> windy desert anymore!
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>   --
> *From:* anne-ology 
> *To:* Felmon 
> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 2:29
>
> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...
>
>   cute, cuter, cutest ...
>   you're surely t' best.
>
>   [further comments below]
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Felmon Davis  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:
> >
> >you took all my puns away ...
> >>
> >
> > just doing humanity a service.
>
>
>   [http://www.thepunalsorises.com/]
>
> >
> >
> >I haven't any more; but ne'er fear,
> >>  the punster will re-appear  ;-)
> >>
> >
> > we are armed.
>
>
>   ["... to take Arms against a Sea of troubles, And by opposing end
> them" yet I've punned with the best of 'em, ne'er taken yet  ;-) ]
>
> >
> >
> >And, by the way, I really haven't learned what rsync is - I guess
> I
> >> could 'search' and learn  ;-)
> >>
> >
> > it's a utility for transferring files, especially backing them up. so I
> do
> > a frequent backup of certain directories I have on a server to my home
> > computer. rsync is fast and will only make copies of stuff that's not
> > already at the destination (if you set it to work that way).
> >
> > I think the 'r' stands for 'remote' but I don't know; the source doesn't
> > need to be 'remote' though. I just backed up one older external drive I
> > have (was making funny noises) to another newer one.
> >
>
>   [funny noises, eh ... maybe it was speaking to you in its own
> language  ;-) ]
>
>
> >
> > F.
>
>
>   Oh, yes, Thanks for this information!
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Felmon Davis  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>rsync  ???
> >>>
> 
>   I think i are sinking fast ...
> 
>  sink  vb sinks, sinking, sank ; sunk, sunken
> 
> 
> >>> you are probably just joshing around but 'sync' has nothing to do with
> >>> 'sink'; one is germanic, the other is greek.
> >>>
> >>> 'syn'+'chronos' as in 'synchronize'.
> >>>
> >>> sometimes the spelling of words, like the syntax of directory paths,
> >>> matters.
> >>>
> >>> (and 'syntax' has nothing to do with 'sin' or 'taxes'!)
> >>>
> >>> 'rsync' is a great utility; I assume it's available for Windows but I
> >>> don't know but there's certainly equivalent stuff.
> >>>
> >>> Felmon Davis
> >>>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Writer/Draw] How to insert fields into graphic?

2012-12-05 Thread gordom


W dniu 2012-12-05 14:33, gordom pisze:

W dniu 2012-12-04 18:18, Regina Henschel pisze:

Thank you Regina very much for the answer. I hope I understood
correctly. Here is what I did (please correct me if I did something wrong):

I simply paste a print screen to my test document and drew few
rectangles in front of it. Then I inserted frames (side by side, one
rectangle – one frame, the print screen's kept in the background).
Inside of each frame a "Number Range" was inserted (according to your
post: Insert > Fields > Other... > Tab "Variables" and so on). In the
end I put references to these numbers in my text.

Everything seems to work fine till I delete any of "number range"
frames. In response to this, fields with numbers (in front of print
screen) together with their references in the text are being updated
(expected).
The problem occurs however with a reference to the deleted frame itself.
It's being swapped with the very next following number. In other words,
because this fragment of text was referred to no longer existing frame,
the number of the very next frame is taken over (i.e it refers to the
wrong frame from now on). I'd rather expect this reference in the text
to be deleted also (as the frame consisting number range was deleted).
Is there any way to control this behaviour?
Kind regards,

gordom



Additional info to my previous post.
After deleting a field consisting number range, I tried to update fields 
by pressing F9. It seemed not working (it didn't fix a "phantom" 
reference in text). But now I noticed that closing document and opening 
it again and pressing F9 helps. Really weird...


gordom

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[libreoffice-users] Re: built-in help - how to activate it

2012-12-05 Thread Werner F. Bruhin


Hi Graham,

Finally got it after about 3 de/install cycles.

During the installation I have to select English and French, just 
English isn't good enough:(.


After that I can select English in the language settings and then the 
built-in help is working.


Thanks for getting me going
Werner


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Writer/Draw] How to insert fields into graphic?

2012-12-05 Thread gordom


W dniu 2012-12-04 18:18, Regina Henschel pisze:


Do not use the Caption wizard, but set the field manually.



My goal is to get something like that:

__printscreen__
   |   |
   |  || 1 |
   |  ||   |
   | _ |
   || ||
   || | 2  |
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If your pictures are inside a frame, you can only use a "Number Range",
if you will reference them later on using the number. Another kind of
reference will not work. When you do not use the "Caption"-feature, then
you insert a "Number Range" by Insert > Fields > Other... > Tab
"Variables". Choose "Number Range" left, and "Illustration" in the
middle. Insert. Close.

To insert the reference in you text use Insert > Fields > Other... > Tab
"Cross References". There you find "Illustration" left, and in the
middle the number you want to refer to. Choose "Numbering" from the
bottom list.



Thank you Regina very much for the answer. I hope I understood 
correctly. Here is what I did (please correct me if I did something wrong):


I simply paste a print screen to my test document and drew few 
rectangles in front of it. Then I inserted frames (side by side, one 
rectangle – one frame, the print screen's kept in the background). 
Inside of each frame a "Number Range" was inserted (according to your 
post: Insert > Fields > Other... > Tab "Variables" and so on). In the 
end I put references to these numbers in my text.


Everything seems to work fine till I delete any of "number range" 
frames. In response to this, fields with numbers (in front of print 
screen) together with their references in the text are being updated 
(expected).
The problem occurs however with a reference to the deleted frame itself. 
It's being swapped with the very next following number. In other words, 
because this fragment of text was referred to no longer existing frame, 
the number of the very next frame is taken over (i.e it refers to the 
wrong frame from now on). I'd rather expect this reference in the text 
to be deleted also (as the frame consisting number range was deleted). 
Is there any way to control this behaviour?

Kind regards,

gordom

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[libreoffice-users] Re: built-in help - how to activate it

2012-12-05 Thread Werner F. Bruhin


On 05/12/2012 11:09, Graham Luffrum wrote:

Werner,

I also have LO 3.6.3 (under Windows 7) which I set up using the installer
and help files for English UK, but unlike you I have English UK as one of
the possibilities for the "User interface".  (If I change the User
interface to English US I get the problem you are encountering.)  I know
it's a pain, but I suggest that you remove LO from your computer and also
delete the LO user profile.  To do the latter see

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile

Then reinstall LO making sure that both files are English UK and that you
do so in the right order, i.e. the Help file last.

Thanks for the hint, but no luck.

Now I only have French in the language selection

I am just downloading the US one to see if changes, but I suspect that 
the Main Installer just doesn't care what I want and picks up the 
language from some windows setting.


Maybe there is some installer switch I have to set, or ..

Werner


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Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...

Hi :)
If rsync is available on Windows then it might not be so easy to charge people 
so much for apps that do back-ups.  Unless no-one knew about it of course.  

I tried a back-up utility that looked great until i used it to restore a 
bootable Windows and found the Windows boot-loader was completely lost because 
things were not in exactly the right place.  Someone suggested using dd but to 
grep it through some archiving tool.  I did fix the Windows restored drive but 
by installing Grub2.  Grub2 survived the back-up and restore process but it 
felt like i was cheating because the whole purpose was to restore the machine 
to exactly the way it arrived from the store.  

I'm going to ask about grepping a dd through an archiving tool on 
http://www.linuxquestions.org
to see if they can give me a good idea of how to actually write the command.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Felmon Davis 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 19:23
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...
> 
>On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:
>
>>       rsync  ???
>> 
>>       I think i are sinking fast ...
>> 
>> sink  vb sinks, sinking, sank ; sunk, sunken
>
>you are probably just joshing around but 'sync' has nothing to do with 'sink'; 
>one is germanic, the other is greek.
>
>'syn'+'chronos' as in 'synchronize'.
>
>sometimes the spelling of words, like the syntax of directory paths, matters.
>
>(and 'syntax' has nothing to do with 'sin' or 'taxes'!)
>
>'rsync' is a great utility; I assume it's available for Windows but I don't 
>know but there's certainly equivalent stuff.
>
>F.
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [3.5.3.2/Writer] Split screen in half horizontally?

2012-12-05 Thread Gilles

I agree. I also miss being able to split a document horizontally in two
halves. It's very useful when going through a big document.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: built-in help - how to activate it

2012-12-05 Thread Graham Luffrum

Werner,

I also have LO 3.6.3 (under Windows 7) which I set up using the installer
and help files for English UK, but unlike you I have English UK as one of
the possibilities for the "User interface".  (If I change the User
interface to English US I get the problem you are encountering.)  I know
it's a pain, but I suggest that you remove LO from your computer and also
delete the LO user profile.  To do the latter see

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile

Then reinstall LO making sure that both files are English UK and that you
do so in the right order, i.e. the Help file last.

G.


On 4 December 2012 11:20, Werner F. Bruhin  wrote:

> On 04/12/2012 08:25, Graham Luffrum wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I had the same problem.  If I remember right you need to make sure that
>> the
>> languages set up in Tools - Options - Language settings - Languages match
>> the language of the Help file that you installed.
>>
> Tried this but..
>
> I got the installer: Windows, version 3.6.3, English (GB) and the
> corresponding built-in help.
>
> In the "User interface" setting I can only select "English USA" or "French
> France", not that my Windows version is a French one.
>
> Any other tips, or do I have to install a "English USA" version to get
> "close" to what I like to have.
>
> Werner
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf import]

2012-12-05 Thread Brian Barker


At 09:00 05/12/2012 +, Tom Davies wrote:

At 03:03 05/12/2012 +, Brian Barker wrote:

At 15:19 04/12/2012 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:

I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on?


Your problem is not with the LibreOffice list, but with your mail 
provider Gmail - which has a bug^H^H^H feature which suppresses 
copies distributed to you of your own messages to the list.


Google says:
When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to, 
Gmail automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to 
save you time and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your 
inbox if someone responds to it or if there is an error delivering 
the message. If you'd like to view your message, you can find it 
in Sent Mail or All Mail.


It can be argued that this practice is unhelpful.


I think there is some default setting when you apply to these lists 
that sets it so you can't see your own posts except through Nabble or GMane.


Then you think wrongly - unless you explicitly subscribe to the 
"nomail" version of the list (and that is no default; indeed, it is 
not even mentioned at the web site).



So, it's not just GMail that is blocking him.


I fear it is.

Personally I think it's a huge benefit.  I see my own posts in 
people's replies and notice all the horrible tpyos and 
embarrassments that I didn't notice while typing.  So, i am quite glad of it.


This makes no sense.  If (as would be sensible) you are concerned to 
be aware of the appearance of your own messages as distributed by the 
list, you would deprecate Gmail's practice, not applaud it.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf import]

Hi :)
+1 
about the body image.  Women have travelled miles for just 1 sight of me.  
Unfortunately the direction is away from me not towards.  

"Reply to all" and then copy&paste?  List manager? 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/
errr i don't know about GMane.  

Regards from
Tom :)






>
> From: Felmon Davis 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 9:21
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf  import]
> 
>On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> 
>> I think there is some default setting when you apply to these lists that 
>> sets it so you can't see your own posts except through Nabble or GMane.  So, 
>> it's not just GMail that is blocking him. 
>
>who's the list-manager again?
>
>> Personally i think it's a huge benefit.  I see my own posts in people's 
>> replies and notice all the horrible tpyos and embarrasments that i didn't 
>> notice while typing.  So, i am quite glad of it. 
>
>diff'rent strokes. I'd rather see my own posts than my own face and torso.
>
>> This crazy need for "Reply to" or whatever is a different story.  It's made 
>> it much more difficult to get through the posts and i make a lot more typing 
>> mistakes now too. 
>
>it's impossible! I have to type in the correct mailing list address for every 
>reply.
>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :) 
>
>apologies to Brian: I didn't see his post (it wasn't delivered for some 
>reason).
>
>I wish I could wean myself of gmail.
>
>F.
>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Brian Barker 
>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 3:03
>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf  import]
>>> 
>>> At 15:19 04/12/2012 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:
 I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on?
>>> 
>>> Your problem is not with the LibreOffice list, but with your mail provider 
>>> Gmail - which has a bug^H^H^H feature which suppresses copies distributed 
>>> to you of your own messages to the list.
>>> 
>>> Google says:
 When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail 
 automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you time 
 and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if someone 
 responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message. If you'd 
 like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or All Mail.
>>> 
>>> It can be argued that this practice is unhelpful.
>>> 
>>> I trust this helps.
>>> 
>>> Brian Barker
>>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .

Hi :)
There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf "and what-not" as Amiko says in 
interviews on Nasa tele).  Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf 
reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to 
make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or 
use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita 
though).  

One company sent me a Pdf form to fill in and then complained that i returned 
it as a Pdf!  It had been a bit ilke a multiple choice in that it had one 
question per line but instead of the choices it just left the rest of the line 
empty.  I pulled the form into Writer, set it as the background, added a 2 
column table on top and adjusted the row's widths to fit the form and then 
wrote on my layer and saved as Pdf.  I was really chuffed because it's the 
first time i had managed anything like it with Pdfs but then got a complaint!  

I eventually saw the funny side of the hypocrasy but it took a cuppa tea or 
two.  I think i wrote back suggesting the form would be easier for people to 
fill in if they had 2 copies with the 2nd one being the original Doc format.  







>
> From: Felmon Davis 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 20:19
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide 
>page - see if this is a good format. . .
> 
>On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> Tom Davies wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> 
>> 
>>> Although a lot of programs can now write Pdfs they seldom allow you to edit 
>>> the text as freely as you would edit an Odt or Doc.  They do sometimes 
>>> allow you to crop and rotate pages and do some fairly rough work like that. 
>> 
>> 
>> In the last 6 months or so, I had the task of completing two PDF forms that 
>> organizations sent me to fill out.  I decided to try the LO PDF import and 
>> use LO to fill out the forms.  In both cases, PDF import created a Draw file 
>> of pages conforming to each page of the PDF file.  With the first PDF form, 
>> I was not able to modify any text or objects in the form.  It was if the 
>> original format was a picture.  However, I was able to add text boxes over 
>> the "picture" and get the form filled out.  With the second PDF form, I was 
>> not only able to add text boxes as before, but I was also able to edit the 
>> original form text!  What was different between the two PDFs?  I haven't a 
>> clue.
>> So, it looks like PDF file editability in LO Draw depends on the particular 
>> PDF you are trying to edit.
>> Girvin Herr
>
>some pdfs are nothing really but image files with some other code 
>'identifying' them as 'pdf'.
>
>I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on?
>
>F.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf import]

2012-12-05 Thread Felmon Davis


On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)

I think there is some default setting when you apply to these lists 
that sets it so you can't see your own posts except through Nabble 
or GMane.  So, it's not just GMail that is blocking him. 


who's the list-manager again?

Personally i think it's a huge benefit.  I see my own posts in 
people's replies and notice all the horrible tpyos and embarrasments 
that i didn't notice while typing.  So, i am quite glad of it. 


diff'rent strokes. I'd rather see my own posts than my own face and 
torso.


This crazy need for "Reply to" or whatever is a different story.  
It's made it much more difficult to get through the posts and i make 
a lot more typing mistakes now too. 


it's impossible! I have to type in the correct mailing list address 
for every reply.



Regards from
Tom :) 


apologies to Brian: I didn't see his post (it wasn't delivered for 
some reason).


I wish I could wean myself of gmail.

F.









From: Brian Barker 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 3:03
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf  import]

At 15:19 04/12/2012 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:

I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on?


Your problem is not with the LibreOffice list, but with your mail provider 
Gmail - which has a bug^H^H^H feature which suppresses copies distributed to 
you of your own messages to the list.

Google says:

When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail 
automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you time and 
prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if someone responds to 
it or if there is an error delivering the message. If you'd like to view your 
message, you can find it in Sent Mail or All Mail.


It can be argued that this practice is unhelpful.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] tab behind end margin

2012-12-05 Thread metaphalon

Hi

The feature list of LO 3.5 states, that it is possible to set the tab stop
behind the end margin, so the following text can continue after the tab
stop.
I tried this and, I was not able to get it to work, instead a newline is
inserted.

It would be nice, if anyone could give me a hint or tell me if additional
setting have to be made.

Best regards
Sven



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Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...

Hi :)
grsync has a nice pretty gui front-end but uses 
rsync
to do the work, of course.  Rsync works from the command-line and has more 
options but GRsync is easier for point&click users like me.  

One advantage is that it keeps permissions intact whereas copy&paste or 
drag&drop tend to twist things so that the current user can read/write.  Not 
something you want with system files.  

I was just making the point that LO's User Profile is happy to let the user 
mess around with it quite a lot.  Evolution's gets really grumbly about it and 
you soemtimes have to export your stuff from inside the program, then upgrade, 
then open the new versions and import.  VERY different from the friendliness of 
LO's user profile.  


Btw thanks for the warning about hard-drive noises.  My new machine at work has 
started making occasional noises but it's so intermittent i was ignoring them.  
Good idea to back-up now right!?!  I used to know someone that would always 
leave it until it made horrible grinding noises but then he kept losing data.  
I'm really glad i am not living in a hot, sandy, windy desert anymore!  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: anne-ology 
>To: Felmon  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 2:29
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] query re. LO crashing ...
> 
>       cute, cuter, cutest ...
>       you're surely t' best.
>
>       [further comments below]
>
>
>
>On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Felmon Davis  wrote:
>
>On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:
>>
>>        you took all my puns away ...
>>>
>>
>> just doing humanity a service.
>
>
>       [http://www.thepunalsorises.com/]
>
>>
>>
>>            I haven't any more; but ne'er fear,
>>>           the punster will re-appear  ;-)
>>>
>>
>> we are armed.
>
>
>       ["... to take Arms against a Sea of troubles, And by opposing end
>them" yet I've punned with the best of 'em, ne'er taken yet  ;-) ]
>
>>
>>
>>        And, by the way, I really haven't learned what rsync is - I guess I
>>> could 'search' and learn  ;-)
>>>
>>
>> it's a utility for transferring files, especially backing them up. so I do
>> a frequent backup of certain directories I have on a server to my home
>> computer. rsync is fast and will only make copies of stuff that's not
>> already at the destination (if you set it to work that way).
>>
>> I think the 'r' stands for 'remote' but I don't know; the source doesn't
>> need to be 'remote' though. I just backed up one older external drive I
>> have (was making funny noises) to another newer one.
>>
>
>       [funny noises, eh ... maybe it was speaking to you in its own
>language  ;-) ]
>
>
>>
>> F.
>
>
>       Oh, yes, Thanks for this information!
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Felmon Davis  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2012, anne-ology wrote:
>>>

        rsync  ???

>
>       I think i are sinking fast ...
>
> sink  vb sinks, sinking, sank ; sunk, sunken
>
>
 you are probably just joshing around but 'sync' has nothing to do with
 'sink'; one is germanic, the other is greek.

 'syn'+'chronos' as in 'synchronize'.

 sometimes the spelling of words, like the syntax of directory paths,
 matters.

 (and 'syntax' has nothing to do with 'sin' or 'taxes'!)

 'rsync' is a great utility; I assume it's available for Windows but I
 don't know but there's certainly equivalent stuff.

 Felmon Davis


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Losing own messages [was Re: Pdf import]