Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Kieran Peckett
What I have found, is that the server doesn't send mail to people if
they're already in the To / Cc lines, and as long as both the list and the
OP get it, everyone will know that the question has been answered. For
example, you will only receive one of this message, even though the list is
in the Cc.
On 21 May 2013 22:16, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:

 Kieran Peckett wrote:

 Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we keep the
 sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all in case they haven't
 subscribed to the list (which makes sense if they're just looking for
 support and not for helping others out).


 Some of us don't like receiving duplicate messages.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Kieran Peckett
I see your point, as Y! Mail doesn't have a conversation view yet, unlike
GMail and Outlook.com. I know that on Gmail every post in the conversation
has a reply/reply-all button next to it, I'm not sure about YMail, but
doing a search might help...
On 21 May 2013 23:44, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Yes, ideally the Original Poster rather than whoever happened to post
 the last reply but it's not always easy to do that.


 Personally if i get 2 emails that look likely to be roughly the same then
 i just delete the 2nd one without really looking at it.  Unfortunately it's
 often the 2nd one (the older one) that has the better formatting.  So,
 duplicates are easy for me.
 Regards from
 Tom :)






 
  From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2013, 22:15
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users
 
 
 Kieran Peckett wrote:
  Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we keep the
  sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all in case they
 haven't
  subscribed to the list (which makes sense if they're just looking for
  support and not for helping others out).
 
 Some of us don't like receiving duplicate messages.
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Brian Barker

At 08:14 22/05/2013 +0100, Kieran Peckett wrote:
What I have found, is that the server doesn't send mail to people if 
they're already in the To / Cc lines, ...


No: that's simply untrue.  You are noticing the behaviour of Gmail, 
your e-mail provider, which ditches what it believes to be 
unnecessary duplicates.  You are by no means the first person to be 
confused by this unhelpful behaviour.  You will also note that you do 
not see copies of your own messages to the list; again, this is Gmail 
interfering, not the (general) conduct of the list server itself.


For example, you will only receive one of this message, even though 
the list is in the Cc.


I imagine you will hear that this was not so.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Re: rounding off number results in Base

2013-05-22 Thread jnrigg
 
  What I need to know first is whether this is occurring in a table 
 of the database or in a form. If the latter, you may be able to correct 
 the problem by editing the properties of the fields in the form. The 
 fields in the form also contains number formatting.

Dan, it is occurring in a table. The database has no forms.

I have been using this database for over 10 years (but previously in
OpenOffice). I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly) that a form wasn't
needed if you were comfortable entering data directly into a table. When
used in OpenOffice, the cost field always had the exact cost (two decimal
places) but when used with LibreOffice, the cost filed is rounded off to .00
cents.

I did not convert this database when I moved from OpenOffice to Libreoffice.
I just opened the old file using LibreOffice Base.

I assume you are telling me that the rounding is because I am opening and
viewing the database in table view rather than form view? If so, is
there a simple way to convert my entire database so that all info will
display as forms? Or am I mis-interpreting your message?
 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I thought we had discovered that was true last time we discussed this.  On 
Yahoo i seem to be getting something similar but that's due to weird settings.  
So, it's pretty much just GMail that has the 'clever' settings.
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 8:28
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users
 

At 08:14 22/05/2013 +0100, Kieran Peckett wrote:
What I have found, is that the server doesn't send mail to people if 
they're already in the To / Cc lines, ...

No: that's simply untrue.  You are noticing the behaviour of Gmail, 
your e-mail provider, which ditches what it believes to be 
unnecessary duplicates.  You are by no means the first person to be 
confused by this unhelpful behaviour.  You will also note that you do 
not see copies of your own messages to the list; again, this is Gmail 
interfering, not the (general) conduct of the list server itself.

For example, you will only receive one of this message, even though 
the list is in the Cc.

I imagine you will hear that this was not so.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread Tom
Hi :)
I think the Design Team's mailing list address is 
des...@global.libreoffice.org
It might be good to forwards your last email to them.  I think they can help
you set-up some space in the LibreOffice wiki for uploading test-files to.  

Also they would probably be glad to see new people join so if you or anyone
else wants to join in then please  do! :)
Regards from 
Tom :)  




chimak111 wrote
 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM, M Henri wrote:
 
 It is only when we come to the scalable apps, which are saved as
 .svg files, that we see the sizes 
 you mentioned ; under usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps, I find, just
 as you mentioned, that 
 storing libreoffice-calc.svg requires some 1.3 MB. 
*
 My question is - what would happen if the LO 
 apps were simply removed from this folder
*
  ; would that influence use of the programme in any 
 important way ?...
 
Henri   
 
 
 Hi, and thank you for confirming what I saw regarding the scalable apps...
 
 Now, I did not remove those files. Instead, I made smaller svg files, ~
 700 
*
 bytes
*
  each for base, calc, draw, impress, and writer files and ~ 450 bytes for
 the start-center-related files. I gave them the corresponding file names
 and replaced the bloated ones with the smaller ones. And, so far, I can
 still open LibreOffice just fine. So I still don't know what part those
 files play and why they're there.
 
 If you're interested, here's my replacement code for the calc svg file
 :) Obviously, it doesn't look the same but it gets the point across ;)

 
 svg width=166 height=205 xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
   
 rect ry=9 rx=9 id=svg_21 height=194 width=156 y=5.5 x=5
 stroke-width=5 stroke=#91E185 fill=#7f7f7f/
   
 path fill=#91E185 stroke-width=5 d=m83,7l76,1l0,68l-76,-69z
 id=svg_22 stroke-linejoin=round/
   
 path stroke=#999 id=svg_24
 d=m81,5.5l7,-0.5l73.5,67.5l0,7l-81,-74l0.5,0z stroke-width=5
 fill=#999/
   
 text font-weight=bold xml:space=preserve text-anchor=middle
 font-family=Monospace font-size=134 id=svg_1 y=155 x=83
 fill=#91E185
 C
 /text
 /svg

 
 To view it as an svg file, paste the code into a text editor, and save the
 file with any prefix but the 
*
 suffix must be .svg
*
 . You can then view the file with your default image viewer.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread chimak111
Tom wrote
 Hi :)
 I think the Design Team's mailing list address is 
 des...@global.libreoffice.org...

Tom, thanks for your response. I threw libreoffice design team menu icons
into a Google search and came up with several useful links which I'm
including below:
http://user-prompt.com/portfolio/libreoffice/
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/threads.html

Plus, there is:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
which I'll try at the risk of being ignored. Designers are artists and
artists aren't concerned with trivial things such as file sizes ;)



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[libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list

2013-05-22 Thread DJViking
I have a number of documents written with Bookman font. When I open these
documents the selected font shows Bookman, but it is not actually in the
drop down list of fonts. The text shown is actually terrible (some charactes
appear to be bold, while they are not).

I cannot change the font of these documents as it would cause trouble for
others. I need the plain Bookman font. Where can I get it?

There is a font called URW Bookman L, but I don't think it is the same one.
Also I found Bookman Old Style font on fontzone.net for download. I don't
know if this is the Bookman I want.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks :)
Without clicking on those links i suspect that the 2 wiki ones
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
are the important ones.  The others are probably suggestions that may not have 
reached the Design Team yet (or they may have been rough drafts that did reach 
the wiki eventually)
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 11:32
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice 
(Linux)?
 

Tom wrote
 Hi :)
 I think the Design Team's mailing list address is 
 des...@global.libreoffice.org...

Tom, thanks for your response. I threw libreoffice design team menu icons
into a Google search and came up with several useful links which I'm
including below:
http://user-prompt.com/portfolio/libreoffice/
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/threads.html

Plus, there is:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
which I'll try at the risk of being ignored. Designers are artists and
artists aren't concerned with trivial things such as file sizes ;)



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[libreoffice-users] Image wrapping

2013-05-22 Thread Darragh AB
Hi,
Whenever I try to wrap an image from the format bar, all of the options are 
greyed out apart from edit contour, and when I do edit the contour it 
immediately crashes.
Darragh   
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread M Henri Day
2013/5/22 chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com


 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM, M Henri wrote:

  It is only when we come to the scalable apps, which are saved as
  .svg files, that we see the sizes
  you mentioned ; under usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps, I find, just
 as
  you mentioned, that
  storing libreoffice-calc.svg requires some 1.3 MB. *My question is - what
  would happen if the LO
  apps were simply removed from this folder* ; would that influence use of
  the programme in any
  important way ?...

 Henri


 Hi, and thank you for confirming what I saw regarding the scalable apps...

 Now, I did not remove those files. Instead, I made smaller svg files, ~ 700
 *bytes* each for base, calc, draw, impress, and writer files and ~ 450
 bytes
 for the start-center-related files. I gave them the corresponding file
 names
 and replaced the bloated ones with the smaller ones. And, so far, I can
 still open LibreOffice just fine. So I still don't know what part those
 files play and why they're there.

 If you're interested, here's my replacement code for the calc svg file :)
 Obviously, it doesn't look the same but it gets the point across ;)


 svg width=166 height=205 xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
   rect ry=9 rx=9 id=svg_21 height=194 width=156 y=5.5 x=5
 stroke-width=5 stroke=#91E185 fill=#7f7f7f/
   path fill=#91E185 stroke-width=5 d=m83,7l76,1l0,68l-76,-69z
 id=svg_22 stroke-linejoin=round/
   path stroke=#999 id=svg_24
 d=m81,5.5l7,-0.5l73.5,67.5l0,7l-81,-74l0.5,0z stroke-width=5
 fill=#999/
   text font-weight=bold xml:space=preserve text-anchor=middle
 font-family=Monospace font-size=134 id=svg_1 y=155 x=83
 fill=#91E185C/text
 /svg


 To view it as an svg file, paste the code into a text editor, and save the
 file with any prefix but the *suffix must be .svg*. You can then view the
 file with your default image viewer.


Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
those bloatted .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
that we «still don't know what part those
files play and why they're there» -  or for that mattter, why they are so
large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
enlightenment !...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread James Knott

Kieran Peckett wrote:

For
example, you will only receive one of this message, even though the list is
in the Cc.


Actually, I received 2 copies.  One from the list and one from you. 
What's worse is I generally respond to the first one I read, which is 
usually the direct copy.  This means I am not replying to a message from 
the mail list.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 05/22/2013 07:44 AM, James Knott wrote:

Kieran Peckett wrote:

For
example, you will only receive one of this message, even though the 
list is

in the Cc.


Actually, I received 2 copies.  One from the list and one from you. 
What's worse is I generally respond to the first one I read, which is 
usually the direct copy.  This means I am not replying to a message 
from the mail list.





The two copies is why if I reply to the list, I do not add the 
poster's address in the TO, CC, etc. list.


If I have some extra info to include for the poster, like an image 
file, I will send an email directly to that person off the list.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to upgrade from (Swedish-language) LO 4.0.2.2 to 4.0.3.3 on 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04 LTS

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Lol, nicely done! :)
Thanks and regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org 
users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 20 May 2013, 20:14
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to upgrade from (Swedish-language) 
LO 4.0.2.2 to 4.0.3.3 on 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
 

2013/5/20 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk

 Hi :)
 Sometime during install it should ask if you want the new version to be
 the default app for MS formats.  Unfortunately i don't think it asks about
 ODF formats.

 There is a page in the wiki about Installing on Linux that might help to
 remove all versions and then reinstall the newer ones from the downloads
 you kept.  (You did keep the didn't you?).  I guess you can always
 re-download if you have to, or encourage a buddy too and then copy there's
 to check them.

 On Debian-family, incls Ubuntu you can remove all versions of LibreOffice
 with a command something like

 sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*

 but please try

 apt-get --help

 (with a space just before the --) to check that is not the one tht removes
 all your configurations too.  There is one apt-get 'tag' to remove all
 setting, configs and everything, and a different 'tag' to just remove the
 programs but keep the configs.  The later is usually preferable to avoid
 having to set everything up the way you like again from scratch.
 Regards from
 Tom :)


Thanks, Tom  Dan, but as I surmised, it was indeed a PPA thing and Rico
Tzschichholz came through with an update that resolved my problem just 12
hours ago. Kudos to him for his great work - next time LO is updated, I'll
attempt to exhibit a tad more patience !...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rounding off number results in Base

2013-05-22 Thread Dan Lewis

On 05/22/2013 03:34 AM, jnrigg wrote:
  
   What I need to know first is whether this is occurring in a table

of the database or in a form. If the latter, you may be able to correct
the problem by editing the properties of the fields in the form. The
fields in the form also contains number formatting.

Dan, it is occurring in a table. The database has no forms.

I have been using this database for over 10 years (but previously in
OpenOffice). I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly) that a form wasn't
needed if you were comfortable entering data directly into a table. When
used in OpenOffice, the cost field always had the exact cost (two decimal
places) but when used with LibreOffice, the cost filed is rounded off to .00
cents.

I did not convert this database when I moved from OpenOffice to Libreoffice.
I just opened the old file using LibreOffice Base.

I assume you are telling me that the rounding is because I am opening and
viewing the database in table view rather than form view? If so, is
there a simple way to convert my entire database so that all info will
display as forms? Or am I mis-interpreting your message?
  
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of what happened nor why it happened.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Wolfgang Keller
 Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we keep
 the sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all 

No.

 in case they haven't subscribed to the list (which makes sense if
 they're just looking for support and not for helping others out).

A mailinglist allowing messages from non-subscribers is imho
mis-configured.
 
 The reason I am asking this is because sometimes I see people
 replying to just the users list,

That's the correct way to do it. No dis-courtesy copies. Never.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Having learned correct use of email and usenet 20 years ago.

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: Wolfgang Keller [felip...@gmx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:42 AM
 Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we keep
 the sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all

No.

 in case they haven't subscribed to the list (which makes sense if
 they're just looking for support and not for helping others out).

A mailinglist allowing messages from non-subscribers is imho
mis-configured.

That is correct! Anything else would be a recipe for spam--non-subscribed users 
are be moderated through if the message merits--often with a personal note 
back from the moderator on how to subscribe.

 The reason I am asking this is because sometimes I see people
 replying to just the users list,

That's the correct way to do it. No dis-courtesy copies. Never.

+1
By replying directly to user, you are implying that you are taking response 
off list--please do so if that is your intent, i.e. to criticize or guide 
so as not to embarrass other subscribers don't need or want to see that. 
Otherwise the netiquette is to address discussion for the list to read--and 
keep response civil.

So, use the respond to all option of your email reader of choice, it SHOULD 
pick up the mail list address.  Delete the other direct addresses.  And 
finally TRIM away any of the extra crud in the message.  Leave just enough for 
the message to stand on its own, but not be distracting either to read--or when 
viewed in context in a News group reader or a web archive like Nabble.

Stuart

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread chimak111
M Henri Day wrote
 ...
 Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
 those bloatted .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
 that we «still don't know what part those
 files play and why they're there» -  or for that mattter, why they are so
 large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
 enlightenment !...
 
 Henri
 ...

Hi Henri, I've also posted here:
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05867.html
That mailing list seems more appropriate. Let us hope someone answers :)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread M Henri Day
2013/5/22 chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com

 M Henri Day wrote
  ...
  Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
  those bloatted .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
  that we «still don't know what part those
  files play and why they're there» -  or for that mattter, why they are so
  large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
  enlightenment !...
 
  Henri
  ...

 Hi Henri, I've also posted here:
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05867.html
 That mailing list seems more appropriate. Let us hope someone answers :)


In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that interested
parties can see the reply ?...

Henri

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Kieran Peckett
Thanks everyone for your help, and for being understanding of why I asked
this, and for explaining that all non-subscribed users get moderated
automatically. I just assumed that it was like Google Groups, which does
have this functionality, and which saves duplicate emails being needlessly
sent.

By the way - most people will see the users@ address as a support email,
rather than a mailing list. Most people would ask the question Why should
I subscribe?, because they don't want un-needed e-mail, as they are only
interested in their question, rather than others' questions, which, in case
you were, wondering, is why I asked this question.

Once again, thanks for all the help,

Kieran
On 22 May 2013 15:14, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote:

 From: Wolfgang Keller [felip...@gmx.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:42 AM
  Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we keep
  the sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all
 
 No.
 
  in case they haven't subscribed to the list (which makes sense if
  they're just looking for support and not for helping others out).
 
 A mailinglist allowing messages from non-subscribers is imho
 mis-configured.

 That is correct! Anything else would be a recipe for spam--non-subscribed
 users are be moderated through if the message merits--often with a
 personal note back from the moderator on how to subscribe.

  The reason I am asking this is because sometimes I see people
  replying to just the users list,
 
 That's the correct way to do it. No dis-courtesy copies. Never.

 +1
 By replying directly to user, you are implying that you are taking
 response off list--please do so if that is your intent, i.e. to criticize
 or guide so as not to embarrass other subscribers don't need or want to
 see that. Otherwise the netiquette is to address discussion for the list to
 read--and keep response civil.

 So, use the respond to all option of your email reader of choice, it
 SHOULD pick up the mail list address.  Delete the other direct addresses.
  And finally TRIM away any of the extra crud in the message.  Leave just
 enough for the message to stand on its own, but not be distracting either
 to read--or when viewed in context in a News group reader or a web archive
 like Nabble.

 Stuart

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ask.LibreOffice.org and Bugzilla Twitter accounts

2013-05-22 Thread Zeki Bildirici
Hi,

I want you to inform about some minor updates:

- I've moved the external service for Ask site to dlvr.it because of
detailed statistics
- I've added FIXED bugs to Bugzilla stream. I've selected Bug Status=
Resolved, Resouliton=Fixed criteria, if i should add more criteria
please notify me. So this was the fix of fdo#50096
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50096)

Well, also i checked dlvr.it statistics for Bugzilla account, despite
of having only 24 followers at the moment- we had good number of
clicks(276), we have 2,2 click ratio per link. Which means a streamed
bugs report on bugzilla has seen by 2,2 people. Which is a good number
and it is additional traffic. The geographical distribution seems good
too.If we can increase the number of followers more traffic and
interest will be provided. For last 24 hours, 73 clicks, 24 posts
which means 24 new bug is opened, ratio is ~3.0 per click)

Also i tried to check the statistics for Ask site but twitterfeed has
limited statistics, nearly %80 of questions has clicks, some has more
than one. Which is also good for the moment which we have 44
followers.

If you have twitter accounts, please follow the streams -whichever
gets your interest and will to contribute

LibreOffice Bugzilla:
https://twitter.com/LibreOfficeBugs

Ask.LibreOffice.org:
https://twitter.com/AskLibreOffice

(Personally following this feeds increased my interest on both sites,
answered some questions and wanted to answer more but i have a very
limited time for the moment)

Also posting about this accounts on TDF
planet(http://planet.documentfoundation.org/) may help to promote this
twitter accounts.

I will be posting to Google+ page and Facebook Page to get more
followers and (weeks) later i may write a blog post about how to
contribute LibreOffice by doing simple QA jobs in bugzilla and just
simply answering others questions in ask site including this accounts.

Your individual promoting of this accounts will be very appreciated indeed :)

Well, for the moment i am very optimistic about the gain from this
accounts. May be the first excitement may be worse, but we will see in
numbers in next month and following months.

Sorry for multiple-list-disturbance but this issue is related with all.

Best regards and keep being awesome for LibreOffice!
Zeki

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Dave Liesse

On 5/22/2013 07:13, V Stuart Foote wrote:
So, use the respond to all option of your email reader of choice, it 
SHOULD pick up the mail list address. Delete the other direct 
addresses. And finally TRIM away any of the extra crud in the message. 
Leave just enough for the message to stand on its own, but not be 
distracting either to read--or when viewed in context in a News group 
reader or a web archive like Nabble. Stuart 


That's one of the nice things about Thunderbird: I have a Reply List 
button that replaces Reply All when a message comes from what I 
consider to be a properly-behaved list server.  I also have the option 
to reply just to the original author of a message.  If the list server 
has the list as the Reply-To address, then Reply goes to the list 
and Reply All creates the duplicate message to the original poster.


Dave


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
That is another huge argument we have had on this (and some of the other) 
mailing lists quite a few times; although none in the last couple of years.  
Mailing lists are very unfamiliar to most people and are often seen as being 
very geeky.  

The Ask LO bot was meant to become the main way that people would access our 
user support.  Also there is an unofficial forum, which grew out of one of the 
arguments and was meant to evolve into being the official forum within a few 
weeks.  Things went a little sideways (as they do) because by the time the rest 
of the project worked out that a forum would be pretty neat (a couple of years 
later) the owner had invested too much time and effort to give it up easily and 
the rest of the project decided they didn't want it anyway.  A new official 
forum is very very nearly ready.  Just looking for moderators and final tweaks. 
 

So, although people might see users@... as the place to go for user support 
there are other options and we are about to be given the one that people are 
most familiar with.  

On the moderators list we have discussed ways of minimising fragmentation 
with perhaps having some common room where all the various moderators and 
such could chat but we eventually decided that keeping them separate would 
probably be in everyone's best interest.  Perhaps one will gain a reputation 
for being better at one thing (such as this list is fairly awesome at macros 
and Base (although pointing people to OOo forums is also a good idea with 
Base)) while other systems gain reputation in other areas.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com
To: 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 17:33
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users
 

Thanks everyone for your help, and for being understanding of why I asked
this, and for explaining that all non-subscribed users get moderated
automatically. I just assumed that it was like Google Groups, which does
have this functionality, and which saves duplicate emails being needlessly
sent.

By the way - most people will see the users@ address as a support email,
rather than a mailing list. Most people would ask the question Why should
I subscribe?, because they don't want un-needed e-mail, as they are only
interested in their question, rather than others' questions, which, in case
you were, wondering, is why I asked this question.

Once again, thanks for all the help,

Kieran
On 22 May 2013 15:14, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote:

 From: Wolfgang Keller [felip...@gmx.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:42 AM
  Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we keep
  the sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all
 
 No.
 
  in case they haven't subscribed to the list (which makes sense if
  they're just looking for support and not for helping others out).
 
 A mailinglist allowing messages from non-subscribers is imho
 mis-configured.

 That is correct! Anything else would be a recipe for spam--non-subscribed
 users are be moderated through if the message merits--often with a
 personal note back from the moderator on how to subscribe.

  The reason I am asking this is because sometimes I see people
  replying to just the users list,
 
 That's the correct way to do it. No dis-courtesy copies. Never.

 +1
 By replying directly to user, you are implying that you are taking
 response off list--please do so if that is your intent, i.e. to criticize
 or guide so as not to embarrass other subscribers don't need or want to
 see that. Otherwise the netiquette is to address discussion for the list to
 read--and keep response civil.

 So, use the respond to all option of your email reader of choice, it
 SHOULD pick up the mail list address.  Delete the other direct addresses.
  And finally TRIM away any of the extra crud in the message.  Leave just
 enough for the message to stand on its own, but not be distracting either
 to read--or when viewed in context in a News group reader or a web archive
 like Nabble.

 Stuart

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[libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question

2013-05-22 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 22/05/13 10:25, McBride a écrit :

 My question was Can libre office read pages/appleworks/clarissworks?
 Thanks. Turquoisegrece

The short answer : No. Never could and probably never will unless
someone decides to develop the corresponding filters.

Clarisworks and Appleworks used binary formats AFAIK.
Pages uses some kind of XML markup and an embedded PDF, but there's
nothing to read that with in LO.


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: rounding off number results in Base

2013-05-22 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 22/05/13 09:34, jnrigg a écrit :

Hi,

 Dan, it is occurring in a table. The database has no forms.
 
 I have been using this database for over 10 years (but previously in
 OpenOffice). I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly) that a form wasn't
 needed if you were comfortable entering data directly into a table. When
 used in OpenOffice, the cost field always had the exact cost (two decimal
 places) but when used with LibreOffice, the cost filed is rounded off to .00
 cents.
 

Sounds like a bug to me. It shouldn't be rounding off decimal values if
they are defined as such in your field definition. However, the values
displayed in the Table data entry mode are subject to formatting code
and the problem might lie in something that has changed with this code
in LO. Which version of LO are you using ?


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The linked-to thread seems to only have 1 post?  It links to a Nabble thread 
that also only has 1 post.  

I think there is a bit of confusion here.  Whichever system you use to make 
posts they all go into the same back-end.  Then whichever front-end people use 
they all get to see all those messages that are stored in the backend.  This 
means you can view the list and post to the list using Nabble as the front-end 
but people using GMane or normal emails also get to see all those posts (and 
are able to respond using their front-end).  

This whole back-end - front-end thing really confuses a lot of people.  It's 
one of the main blockers that prevents people from realising just how much 
easier it would be to use Base instead of Calc (or Access instead of Excel (if 
you don't mind the vendor lock-in)) for all sorts of things.  Ideally people 
would use Base instead of Excel, obviously, but that is 2 hurdles to cross.  
Just lately i got into Ssh'ing and that uses the term server, vs client to 
mean much the same thing
server ~ back-end
client ~ front-end
Of course it's not quite that simple but it helped me understand it.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com
To: chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 17:09
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice 
(Linux)?
 

2013/5/22 chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com

 M Henri Day wrote
  ...
  Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
  those bloated .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
  that we «still don't know what part those
  files play and why they're there» -  or for that mattter, why they are so
  large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
  enlightenment !...
 
  Henri
  ...

 Hi Henri, I've also posted here:
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05867.html
 That mailing list seems more appropriate. Let us hope someone answers :)


In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that interested
parties can see the reply ?...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi,

chimak111 schrieb:

I installed LibreOffice Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID:
4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) direct from
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ on Lubuntu 13.04. While I have no
issues with it [I]per se[/I], I think it has installed some svg files in
/usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps that are really horrible.

These svg files are several hundred kB in size and one,
libreoffice4.0-calc.svg, is 1.3 MB.


Is that the exact filename? I do not find it with 
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org


Is it possible, that this file is no original LibreOffice file, but has 
been added by your distro?


Kind regards
Regina

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[libreoffice-users] Save As behavior

2013-05-22 Thread Carl Paulsen
I'm working with a large, multi-sheet spreadsheet from which I need to 
generate numerous .csv files for use with another application, and when 
I save that way, the document is converted to .csv and the .ods file is 
closed (well, the .ods is no longer open...). But...while the .csv file 
is still open, it has multiple sheets in which I can work.  If I work in 
more than one sheet and then save and close (without choosing to Save 
As), I lose all info except the current sheet. This has happened to me 
on more than one occasion.  I know I can Save As again to .ods format, 
but why would it let me work in a .csv file as if it were a multi-sheet 
.ods file?  I know this is how Excel works too, but I think it's wrong.


What I'd like to see happen is to have the .ods file remain open and a 
SINGLE SHEET .csv file (what I just saved) open as well.  That way I 
would have both files in which to work, I couldn't make a mistake with 
edits to the file AND I'd save many minutes throughout the day not 
having to re-open .ods files.  I easily waste 1/2 hour to an hour a day 
working on this file because of this behavior.


I wonder if there is a setting that controls what happens when I use 
Save As - anyone know of this?


At some point I may post a feature request, but wonder if others would 
like to see such behavior or know why it wouldn't work.


Thanks.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It might be worth putting forwards as a major project for next year's Google 
Summer of Code.  The topics for this year have been selected  already.  Last 
year someone wrote filters to import Visio formats and was keen to extend the 
filters to cope with other versions of MS Office.  

A work-around might be to run LibreOffice alongside those other Office Suites 
and copypaste letters/documents/books as and when but only as and when needed. 
 Large scale migrations might be worth leaving until a proper filter is 
written.  

Normally people just  post such things as a bug-report but use the drop-downs 
to make it a feature request or Enhancement request.  Some other projects 
use the term Wish-list item.  THat's really the best 1st step.  Maybe look 
into GSoC some other time.  

There is also some excellent thing for people or organisations to promise to 
pay a certain amount if their favourite bit of coding gets done.  If enough 
people have gone for the same thing it can increase the chances of a dev 
getting interested and completing the work.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 18:50
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question
 

Le 22/05/13 10:25, McBride a écrit :

 My question was Can libre office read pages/appleworks/clarissworks?
 Thanks. Turquoisegrece

The short answer : No. Never could and probably never will unless
someone decides to develop the corresponding filters.

Clarisworks and Appleworks used binary formats AFAIK.
Pages uses some kind of XML markup and an embedded PDF, but there's
nothing to read that with in LO.


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save As behavior

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Csv is not an ISO standard and does sometimes get implemented slightly 
differently in some apps.  The standard approach is for a Csv to be a single 
sheet per file.  When working on a document LO works as though it is native 
format NOT whichever format you happen to keep saving it in.  So when you are 
working on spreadsheets LO treats them as Ods NOT csv.  

Generally even when using other formats it is best to keep saving a copy in Ods 
and treat that as your original.  Then use Save As .. when you need a 
different format.  Ideally the other apps might be able to read Ods too.  Many 
can and often use it as their default format too and would be happier with that 
than Csv.  They might only use Csv because they assume other people might not 
be able to read Ods.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 19:24
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Save As behavior
 

I'm working with a large, multi-sheet spreadsheet from which I need to 
generate numerous .csv files for use with another application, and when 
I save that way, the document is converted to .csv and the .ods file is 
closed (well, the .ods is no longer open...). But...while the .csv file 
is still open, it has multiple sheets in which I can work.  If I work in 
more than one sheet and then save and close (without choosing to Save 
As), I lose all info except the current sheet. This has happened to me 
on more than one occasion.  I know I can Save As again to .ods format, 
but why would it let me work in a .csv file as if it were a multi-sheet 
.ods file?  I know this is how Excel works too, but I think it's wrong.

What I'd like to see happen is to have the .ods file remain open and a 
SINGLE SHEET .csv file (what I just saved) open as well.  That way I 
would have both files in which to work, I couldn't make a mistake with 
edits to the file AND I'd save many minutes throughout the day not 
having to re-open .ods files.  I easily waste 1/2 hour to an hour a day 
working on this file because of this behavior.

I wonder if there is a setting that controls what happens when I use 
Save As - anyone know of this?

At some point I may post a feature request, but wonder if others would 
like to see such behavior or know why it wouldn't work.

Thanks.
-- 

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[libreoffice-users] Missing text styles in Writer

2013-05-22 Thread warnerwhite
I am running LO 4 in Ubuntu 13.04. I have used LO and OOO for years, but
suddenly my text styles have disappeared. RTF files that contain Text Body
lines, for example, just show a blank. The only text that appears are
Headings.

I tried AbiWord and the same thing happens there, only worse, just some
smears.

The files are ok. I can open them and see the Text Body lines from Windows
with LO and Word. And in another of my machines running Ubuntu I can open
them successfully, with full text--just not in my main machine.

Weird.

Seems like something in Ubuntu that LO depends on, but I don't know enough
about the innards to find it.

I recently had a lot of trouble getting LO to recognize my additional
fonts--in fact, I failed. I've always been able to do  that before. The
texts I've been testing with are in Arial.

I was having this trouble with LO 4.02; so I upgraded to 4.04. Same problem.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save As behavior

2013-05-22 Thread Carl Paulsen
Thanks, Tom.  I'm rapidly moving data into and out of Salesforce, which 
ONLY handles .csv files.  Of course, I try to Save As an .ods file, but 
even that doesn't prevent me from making mistakes.  The fact that 
multiple tabs are available makes it easy to make mistakes when moving 
frequently between .ods and .csv file types.  An example would be after 
having saved to .csv, I realize there are more data transformations I 
need to make.  Some of them rely on other sheets where lookup data 
resides.  It's easy to make a mistake and continue to work in the .csv, 
then save.  If I do so and close the file, I may have saved the wrong 
sheet, or may lose changes made in other sheets, etc.  Especially when I 
have to work feverishly on this data for 5-8 hours a day (for 2 weeks now!).


At the very least, I'd be happy if LO saved the .csv to the HD in the 
background and left the .ods file open to work on.  I seem to recall 
Excel used to work that way many years ago.  For a while I worked as if 
the .csv were .ods, then throughout the day, occasionally saved as 
.ods.  So long as the file remained open, there wasn't a problem.  But 
too many times I either crashed or forgot which file was open and made a 
mistake resulting in too much lost data.


I do think this issue cold be handled better, and would be ideal if the 
user could choose how LO worked with Save As.  But again, maybe there's 
a reason I don't know about that forces it to work the way it does.


--

Carl Paulsen





On 5/22/13 2:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Csv is not an ISO standard and does sometimes get implemented slightly 
differently in some apps.  The standard approach is for a Csv to be a 
single sheet per file.  When working on a document LO works as though 
it is native format NOT whichever format you happen to keep saving 
it in.  So when you are working on spreadsheets LO treats them as Ods 
NOT csv.


Generally even when using other formats it is best to keep saving a 
copy in Ods and treat that as your original.  Then use Save As .. 
when you need a different format.  Ideally the other apps might be 
able to read Ods too.  Many can and often use it as their default 
format too and would be happier with that than Csv.  They might only 
use Csv because they assume other people might not be able to read Ods.

Regards from
Tom :)



*From:* Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net
*To:* users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 19:24
*Subject:* [libreoffice-users] Save As behavior

I'm working with a large, multi-sheet spreadsheet from which I
need to
generate numerous .csv files for use with another application, and
when
I save that way, the document is converted to .csv and the .ods
file is
closed (well, the .ods is no longer open...). But...while the .csv
file
is still open, it has multiple sheets in which I can work.  If I
work in
more than one sheet and then save and close (without choosing to
Save
As), I lose all info except the current sheet. This has happened
to me
on more than one occasion.  I know I can Save As again to .ods
format,
but why would it let me work in a .csv file as if it were a
multi-sheet
.ods file?  I know this is how Excel works too, but I think it's
wrong.

What I'd like to see happen is to have the .ods file remain open
and a
SINGLE SHEET .csv file (what I just saved) open as well.  That way I
would have both files in which to work, I couldn't make a mistake
with
edits to the file AND I'd save many minutes throughout the day not
having to re-open .ods files.  I easily waste 1/2 hour to an hour
a day
working on this file because of this behavior.

I wonder if there is a setting that controls what happens when I use
Save As - anyone know of this?

At some point I may post a feature request, but wonder if others
would
like to see such behavior or know why it wouldn't work.

Thanks.
-- 


Carl Paulsen


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook

On 22/05/13 19:13, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

chimak111 schrieb:

I installed LibreOffice Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID:
4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) direct from
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ on Lubuntu 13.04. While I have no
issues with it [I]per se[/I], I think it has installed some svg files in
/usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps that are really horrible.

These svg files are several hundred kB in size and one,
libreoffice4.0-calc.svg, is 1.3 MB.


Is that the exact filename? I do not find it with
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org

Is it possible, that this file is no original LibreOffice file, but has
been added by your distro?


Hello Regina,

I confirm that the file in question is present with a vanilla 
installation of 4.0.3. I never rely on modified versions from my 
distribution, but always install the stock version from LibreOffice.org


Peter HB

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save As behavior

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The limiting factor is the format.  Csv is very limited.  

It can't cope with formulas so anything you enter as a formula (such as look up 
value in certain position on another sheet, or add this load of values together 
from these other places) all gets reduced down to set figures.  

As an Ods you could have one or a couple of sheets with all the formulas doing 
a lot of the work that you currently have to do manually.  Then just adjust the 
input sheets and save your formula sheets as new Csvs.  

Could you send me the data off-list and a couple of examples of the Csvs you 
create from them?  


For backing up in Ods you might try

Tools - Options - Load/Save - General 

and tick the boxes in the Save section Always create a back-up copy and 
Save autorecovery information every and change the stop-watch time to 
something more reasonable.  Choosing these options sometimes makes photos and 
images disappear from documents but it's very rare and not an issue for these 
Csvs as Csv can't contain images anyway.  

I hope something there helps!
Regards from 
Tom :)  







 From: Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 20:57
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Save As behavior
 

Thanks, Tom.  I'm rapidly moving data into and out of Salesforce, which 
ONLY handles .csv files.  Of course, I try to Save As an .ods file, but 
even that doesn't prevent me from making mistakes.  The fact that 
multiple tabs are available makes it easy to make mistakes when moving 
frequently between .ods and .csv file types.  An example would be after 
having saved to .csv, I realize there are more data transformations I 
need to make.  Some of them rely on other sheets where lookup data 
resides.  It's easy to make a mistake and continue to work in the .csv, 
then save.  If I do so and close the file, I may have saved the wrong 
sheet, or may lose changes made in other sheets, etc.  Especially when I 
have to work feverishly on this data for 5-8 hours a day (for 2 weeks now!).

At the very least, I'd be happy if LO saved the .csv to the HD in the 
background and left the .ods file open to work on.  I seem to recall 
Excel used to work that way many years ago.  For a while I worked as if 
the .csv were .ods, then throughout the day, occasionally saved as 
.ods.  So long as the file remained open, there wasn't a problem.  But 
too many times I either crashed or forgot which file was open and made a 
mistake resulting in too much lost data.

I do think this issue cold be handled better, and would be ideal if the 
user could choose how LO worked with Save As.  But again, maybe there's 
a reason I don't know about that forces it to work the way it does.

-- 

Carl Paulsen





On 5/22/13 2:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Csv is not an ISO standard and does sometimes get implemented slightly 
 differently in some apps.  The standard approach is for a Csv to be a 
 single sheet per file.  When working on a document LO works as though 
 it is native format NOT whichever format you happen to keep saving 
 it in.  So when you are working on spreadsheets LO treats them as Ods 
 NOT csv.

 Generally even when using other formats it is best to keep saving a 
 copy in Ods and treat that as your original.  Then use Save As .. 
 when you need a different format.  Ideally the other apps might be 
 able to read Ods too.  Many can and often use it as their default 
 format too and would be happier with that than Csv.  They might only 
 use Csv because they assume other people might not be able to read Ods.
 Regards from
 Tom :)


     
     *From:* Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net
     *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org
     *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 19:24
     *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] Save As behavior

     I'm working with a large, multi-sheet spreadsheet from which I
     need to
     generate numerous .csv files for use with another application, and
     when
     I save that way, the document is converted to .csv and the .ods
     file is
     closed (well, the .ods is no longer open...). But...while the .csv
     file
     is still open, it has multiple sheets in which I can work.  If I
     work in
     more than one sheet and then save and close (without choosing to
     Save
     As), I lose all info except the current sheet. This has happened
     to me
     on more than one occasion.  I know I can Save As again to .ods
     format,
     but why would it let me work in a .csv file as if it were a
     multi-sheet
     .ods file?  I know this is how Excel works too, but I think it's
     wrong.

     What I'd like to see happen is to have the .ods file remain open
     and a
     SINGLE SHEET .csv file (what I just saved) open as well.  That way I
     would have both files in which to work, I 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing text styles in Writer

2013-05-22 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 2013-05-23 07:03, warnerwhite wrote:

I am running LO 4 in Ubuntu 13.04. I have used LO and OOO for years, but
suddenly my text styles have disappeared. RTF files that contain Text Body
lines, for example, just show a blank. The only text that appears are
Headings.

I tried AbiWord and the same thing happens there, only worse, just some
smears.

The files are ok. I can open them and see the Text Body lines from Windows
with LO and Word. And in another of my machines running Ubuntu I can open
them successfully, with full text--just not in my main machine.

Weird.

Seems like something in Ubuntu that LO depends on, but I don't know enough
about the innards to find it.

I recently had a lot of trouble getting LO to recognize my additional
fonts--in fact, I failed. I've always been able to do  that before. The
texts I've been testing with are in Arial.

I was having this trouble with LO 4.02; so I upgraded to 4.04. Same problem.


Hi.
Were you having this problem before LO4. I read in this list the LO4 
drops compatibility for some document formats but don't know if RTF were 
a part of that.

Steve.


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[libreoffice-users] Named range behaviour

2013-05-22 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi.
A have a spreadsheet with lots of sheets (dare we call it a workbook or 
is it a calcbook). I created a whole lot of named ranges on a sheet 
named steelcosts i.e. $steelcosts.$A$162:$C$177.
I then reorganised my sheet order and the named ranges changed and now 
point to the wrong sheets. The range $steelcosts.$A$162:$C$177 was 
changed to 'salesprices'.$A$162:$C$177.


I am still on LO3.6, not sure if this is fixed in 4

I don't know how easy this is to check. I just created a new file with 4 
sheets, named the sheets, defined some ranges and moved the sheet order, 
all the defined ranges stayed.


I went back to my original file, added some ranges on sheets near the 
end of the list of sheets. Moved the sheets from the end to about the 
middle and ranges I had just defined stayed on the right sheet but 
ranges I had defined on the second sheet moved to the first sheet.


Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Image wrapping

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
What happens if you right-click on the image and choose Picture (or image 
or whatever)?  

Have you tried renaming your User Profile yet?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Darragh AB darragh_ab...@hotmail.co.uk
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 11:23
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Image wrapping
 

Hi,
Whenever I try to wrap an image from the format bar, all of the options are 
greyed out apart from edit contour, and when I do edit the contour it 
immediately crashes.
Darragh                           
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Is it possible to get a copy of the font from the other people you work with?  
On Windows Xp the fonts are in 
C:/Windows/Fonts
I think.  They might be in 
C:/Windows/System32/Fonts
If someone can pass you the font then in GnuLinux i think you just 
double-click on the font file.  In Windows Xp you have to drop the font into 
the right folder (one of the 2 i linked to above), then in the pop-up box click 
on the Install button.  

Hopefully Tim @ Kracked Press might have a better answer for you because that's 
the best i can do.
Apols and regards from 
Tom :)  







 From: DJViking sverre@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 11:32
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list
 

I have a number of documents written with Bookman font. When I open these
documents the selected font shows Bookman, but it is not actually in the
drop down list of fonts. The text shown is actually terrible (some charactes
appear to be bold, while they are not).

I cannot change the font of these documents as it would cause trouble for
others. I need the plain Bookman font. Where can I get it?

There is a font called URW Bookman L, but I don't think it is the same one.
Also I found Bookman Old Style font on fontzone.net for download. I don't
know if this is the Bookman I want.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] no answers to my question

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think McBrides subscription didn't work completely properly.  I don't know 
why.  The moderators team have to accept message in order for them to reach the 
list but even then they seem to go into my Junk/Spam box :(
Apols and regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: McBride dc...@xtra.co.nz
To: Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com 
Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 9:25
Subject: [libreoffice-users] no answers to my question
 

Just subscribed a few days ago and not received any answers yet.  
Subscription must have worked as I do receive those emails.
I did not know what the flag (or smthg) was and just put anything such  
as (base? one that was listed and meant absolutely nothing to me).
My question was Can libre office read pages/appleworks/clarissworks?  
Thanks. Turquoisegrece
On May 22, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote:

 I see your point, as Y! Mail doesn't have a conversation view yet,  
 unlike
 GMail and Outlook.com. I know that on Gmail every post in the  
 conversation
 has a reply/reply-all button next to it, I'm not sure about YMail, but
 doing a search might help...
 On 21 May 2013 23:44, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Yes, ideally the Original Poster rather than whoever happened to  
 post
 the last reply but it's not always easy to do that.


 Personally if i get 2 emails that look likely to be roughly the  
 same then
 i just delete the 2nd one without really looking at it.  
 Unfortunately it's
 often the 2nd one (the older one) that has the better formatting.  
 So,
 duplicates are easy for me.
 Regards from
 Tom :)






 
 From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2013, 22:15
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users


 Kieran Peckett wrote:
 Just a quick question - when on this list (users), shouldn't we  
 keep the
 sender's email in the To / Cc list when we reply-all in case they
 haven't
 subscribed to the list (which makes sense if they're just looking  
 for
 support and not for helping others out).

 Some of us don't like receiving duplicate messages.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list

2013-05-22 Thread Warner C White
I have the font files. I just can't get them to install.


Warner White
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Burlington VT 05401
802-863-0182
www.warnerwhite.org

On May 22, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Is it possible to get a copy of the font from the other people you work with? 
  On Windows Xp the fonts are in 
 C:/Windows/Fonts
 I think.  They might be in 
 C:/Windows/System32/Fonts
 If someone can pass you the font then in GnuLinux i think you just 
 double-click on the font file.  In Windows Xp you have to drop the font into 
 the right folder (one of the 2 i linked to above), then in the pop-up box 
 click on the Install button.  
 
 Hopefully Tim @ Kracked Press might have a better answer for you because 
 that's the best i can do.
 Apols and regards from 
 Tom :)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: DJViking sverre@gmail.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 11:32
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list
 
 
 I have a number of documents written with Bookman font. When I open these
 documents the selected font shows Bookman, but it is not actually in the
 drop down list of fonts. The text shown is actually terrible (some charactes
 appear to be bold, while they are not).
 
 I cannot change the font of these documents as it would cause trouble for
 others. I need the plain Bookman font. Where can I get it?
 
 There is a font called URW Bookman L, but I don't think it is the same one.
 Also I found Bookman Old Style font on fontzone.net for download. I don't
 know if this is the Bookman I want.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] [SOLVED] assign templates in Calc

2013-05-22 Thread Thomas Blasejewicz

Thank you!
Yes, that works.
Thomas
(2013/05/22 14:52), Brian Barker wrote:

At 23:02 21/05/2013 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
I know you can create templates in Writer and then assign them to 
other documents, using an extension. Now I tried to do the same thing 
in Calc. Does not seem to work.  Is there a way of copying styles 
from one Calc document to another?


Yes.
o Open both documents.
o Go to File | Templates  | Organize... .
o Select Documents from the drop-down menus at the foot of both panels.
o Double-click the source document to show the Styles icon.
o Double-click its Styles icon to show the styles included in the 
source document.
o Hold down Ctrl and drag the required style to the destination 
document, most easily in the other panel (though you can drag within 
the same panel).


Note that you need to use Ctrl+drag: simple dragging moves the style 
instead of copying it (if, as above, the source document is open at 
the time).  If you prefer, you can avoid this danger by leaving the 
source document closed and using the File... button in the Template 
Management panel to browse to and add the file to the list.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list

2013-05-22 Thread Doug

On 05/22/2013 08:30 PM, Warner C White wrote:

I have the font files. I just can't get them to install.


Warner White
12 Harbor Watch Road
Burlington VT 05401
802-863-0182
www.warnerwhite.org
I think there should be  a fonts directory on your system. Just put the 
fonts in there with the rest, and then they should

be available to any program that uses fonts.

--doug

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread chimak111
M Henri Day wrote
 In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that
 interested
 parties can see the reply ?...
 
 Henri

Hi, I got an answer from Christian Lohmaier in that other thread. His reply
is here: 
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05868.html
You should be able to access that link from your browser without any
problem. But just to be safe, I will forward his answer to you :) 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread V Stuart Foote
chimak111 wrote
 
 M Henri Day wrote
 In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that
 interested
 parties can see the reply ?...
 
 Henri
 Hi, I got an answer from Christian Lohmaier in that other thread. His
 reply is here: 
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05868.html
 You should be able to access that link from your browser without any
 problem. But just to be safe, I will forward his answer to you :)

Actually,  both threads are available for review in full at Nabble.

This from the Users mail list at--
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And the other response from the Design mail lists at--
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[libreoffice-users] Base to Heroku PostgreSQL requires SSL=true

2013-05-22 Thread Richard Broermsa Jr.

Hello,

As the subject line describes I'm trying to connect to Heroku PostgreSQL 
via JDBC and ODBC.


However, the required connection string using JDBC yields the following 
error message:


SQL Status: 08006

SSL error: sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building 
failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: 
unable to find valid certification path to requested target



Connecting via ODBC works.  However, for some reason, only the public 
schema shows.  Other schema are not listed.


Any thoughts?

Regards,
Richard Broersma Jr.


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