Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[sun shine]

On 31/07/13 13:20, James Knott wrote:

Urmas wrote:

Another major reason are huge bribes given to government officials to
deploy {Libre|Open}Office solutions in budget-funding institutions
worldwide.

Actually, if you care to check the facts, it's Microsoft that's been
doing that.



+1

Urmas - if you have evidence to substantiate your claim, please share. 
Otherwise, as James writes: you have LibO confused with the dirty 
tactics employed by MS.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Matching Up Text Fields

[Brian Barker]

At 21:35 31/07/2013 -0400, Don Parris wrote:
Again, I just need to figure out how to extract that bit from the 
bank's description.  Any thoughts on that?


As I mentioned, that depends on the precise possibilities in the bank 
data.  If the relevant data is always in the same columns of the 
relevant records, you can probably extract it using MID(); otherwise 
you may need to do a more complicated search through the text.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I still hear a lot of differences in even very common phrases used in different 
areas of the US.  I think it's inevitable whenever people group together in any 
way.  The media seems to average things out a bit but it's more like a trading 
language that doesn't really belong to anywhere and isn't really anyone's 
"native" language but is added to be all sorts and then made instantly bland.   
Baltimore sounds different from other places, even phrases are different.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Doug 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 1:16
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?
> 
>
>On 07/31/2013 03:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>>
>/snip/
>> 
>> In England we have a lot of different types of 'English' some of which are 
>> completely incomprehensible to an outsider living as far as 30miles away.  
>> None of my family ever understood my Gran for example, but she was always 
>> there offering cups of tea with a rock-hard scone or porridge only slightly 
>> less runny than cement (actually it was all good stuff really but don't tell 
>> her that).  In the case of cockney that was a deliberate attempt to avoid 
>> passing anything onto "the old bill" by accident.  Liverpudlian and Geordie 
>> are perhaps due to different peoples having invaded us at different times 
>> and different kingdoms all over the place or different tribes claiming 
>> different parts.  I'm sure it's much the same in any other country.
>> 
>> Regards from 
>> Tom 
>Is this still true? I am aware that it was true in the past, but I would
>have thought that with radio, TV and movies, that the local
>dialects would have mostly disappeared.  But what do I know. sitting
>here on the other side of the pond, where dialects really have pretty
>much disappeared.
>
>(55 years ago, when I was in the Air Force here, I ran into some boys
>from the backwoods of Kentucky, and they spoke a dialect that was
>reminiscent of what you read in Shakespeare. I'm pretty sure that's
>all gone, now. We get news reports with interviews of the locals from
>all over the US, and there's very little "drawl" even. Probably those
>of us in New York or Boston have more of a unique accent today. Altho
>there is a woman reading commercials on KSEY-FM, in Seymore, TX, who
>really sounds hillbilly! [KSEY is accessible by the Net, and plays
>classic country music.])
>
>I ask this OT question because I have been interested in language
>all my life, and I notice accents. And of course, if _you_ can't
>understand some folks in Merry Olde, surely I couldn't!
>
>--doug
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Matching Up Text Fields

[Don Parris]

Thanks Brian,

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

> At 18:32 31/07/2013 -0400, Don Parris wrote:
>
>> 


> All this doesn't help much until we know exactly what you need to extract
> from all this.
>
>
I hope it became more clear further down that I really just need the entity
names.




> If I have the ID in ColA and the Name in ColB (from my DB), I want to put
>> the description list (from the banks) in ColE and be able to match payee
>> names and have the ID copied to ColD.  Even if I have to create a separate
>> column for each bank's description style, that's still gotta be better than
>> trying to manually match up transaction data from my bank to what I have in
>> my DB.
>>
>> I thought about VLOOKUP, but that seems to not work at all when I try it
>> using text fields.
>>
>
>
>
> What do you have in column E - the entire record from the bank, not just
> the "entity name" you want to search for?  In that case, the first thing
> you probably have to do is to strip out just the entity name into a
> separate column: let's say column F.  How you do that depends on the
> precise possibilities in the bank data.  The next problem is that VLOOKUP()
> can retrieve values only from the right of matched cells, whereas your
> "entity ID" is currently to the left of the entity name.  Since you haven't
> mentioned column C, I'm going to take that over for this purpose.  In C1
> enter =A1 and fill this down the list of entities: you now have a copy of
> the ID list to the right of the names - where they need to be.
>
> Now in D1 enter
> =VLOOKUP(F1;B$1:C$10;2;0)
> and fill that down column D.
>
> I trust this helps.
>
> Yes, I actually set it up that way.  Playing with it a bit more, I see I
do need to strip out the entity names from the description.  Is it possible
to do that in Calc?

My function:  =VLOOKUP(F2,$A$2:$B$187,2,0)
 I see now that, if I delete the whole description, and keep just the
entity name, I get the results I want.  Again, I just need to figure out
how to extract that bit from the bank's description.  Any thoughts on that?

Regards,
Don

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Doug]

On 07/31/2013 03:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
>
/snip/
> 
> In England we have a lot of different types of 'English' some of which are 
> completely incomprehensible to an outsider living as far as 30miles away.  
> None of my family ever understood my Gran for example, but she was always 
> there offering cups of tea with a rock-hard scone or porridge only slightly 
> less runny than cement (actually it was all good stuff really but don't tell 
> her that).  In the case of cockney that was a deliberate attempt to avoid 
> passing anything onto "the old bill" by accident.  Liverpudlian and Geordie 
> are perhaps due to different peoples having invaded us at different times and 
> different kingdoms all over the place or different tribes claiming different 
> parts.  I'm sure it's much the same in any other country.
> 
> Regards from 
> Tom 
Is this still true? I am aware that it was true in the past, but I would
have thought that with radio, TV and movies, that the local
dialects would have mostly disappeared.  But what do I know. sitting
here on the other side of the pond, where dialects really have pretty
much disappeared.

(55 years ago, when I was in the Air Force here, I ran into some boys
from the backwoods of Kentucky, and they spoke a dialect that was
reminiscent of what you read in Shakespeare. I'm pretty sure that's
all gone, now. We get news reports with interviews of the locals from
all over the US, and there's very little "drawl" even. Probably those
of us in New York or Boston have more of a unique accent today. Altho
there is a woman reading commercials on KSEY-FM, in Seymore, TX, who
really sounds hillbilly! [KSEY is accessible by the Net, and plays
classic country music.])

I ask this OT question because I have been interested in language
all my life, and I notice accents. And of course, if _you_ can't
understand some folks in Merry Olde, surely I couldn't!

--doug













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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Matching Up Text Fields

[Brian Barker]

At 18:32 31/07/2013 -0400, Don Parris wrote:
I download two files from my banks that have transaction 
descriptions that look like so (the one with a * to the left is from 
Bank #2 - the rest are from Bank #1):

  PURCHASE AT MY GROCER #NNN, CHARLOTTE, NC ON 050913 FROM CARD#:
  *   MY GROCER #NNN CHARLOTTE NC
  PURCHASE AT BIG BOX , CHARLOTTE, NC ON 050413 FROM CARD#:
1113  MERCHANT PAYMENT BIG BOX A AT LOC NN BIG BOX
A PINEVILLE Charlotte NC

Notice the way two transactions at BIG BOX are referred to in two 
different ways - one includes a date, while the other does 
not.  Also, all series of "N"s & "X"s above are numbers.


All this doesn't help much until we know exactly what you need to 
extract from all this.



My database has payee names like so:
entity_id  |  entity_name
01|  My Grocer
02|  Big Box

I want to prep the bank data and create a fresh CSV file, so as to 
cull out some of the unnecessary data and create a fresh CSV file 
for importing into my back-end DB.  Ideally, I can automagically 
match the entity name from the description field to the entity name 
in my DB.  My question is (or maybe questions are):


If I have the ID in ColA and the Name in ColB (from my DB), I want 
to put the description list (from the banks) in ColE and be able to 
match payee names and have the ID copied to ColD.  Even if I have to 
create a separate column for each bank's description style, that's 
still gotta be better than trying to manually match up transaction 
data from my bank to what I have in my DB.


I thought about VLOOKUP, but that seems to not work at all when I 
try it using text fields.


So exactly what did you try - and what happened when you did?

What do you have in column E - the entire record from the bank, not 
just the "entity name" you want to search for?  In that case, the 
first thing you probably have to do is to strip out just the entity 
name into a separate column: let's say column F.  How you do that 
depends on the precise possibilities in the bank data.  The next 
problem is that VLOOKUP() can retrieve values only from the right of 
matched cells, whereas your "entity ID" is currently to the left of 
the entity name.  Since you haven't mentioned column C, I'm going to 
take that over for this purpose.  In C1 enter =A1 and fill this down 
the list of entities: you now have a copy of the ID list to the right 
of the names - where they need to be.


Now in D1 enter
=VLOOKUP(F1;B$1:C$10;2;0)
and fill that down column D.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Tom

No it's payware https://www.disktrix.com/ but well worth the $30.00, and 
only necessary for Windows.  If you do want to care again, and want a 
very good free version then Piriform's Defraggler is a great product 
http://www.piriform.com/. They've recently gone to a payware model, but 
still keep to their freeware versions, and they have three other great 
tools, CCleaner, Recuva and Speccy, also freeware or payware versions. I 
use them all in Windows (except Defraggler on my system as this is 
replaced with UD) as well as for friends and clients, and have never 
needed their payware versions. And they have never let me down, in 
trashing any systems I have used them on for the last five years.


Yep, my Ubuntu, with the pause at the login screen included and the 
fastest I can type my password, takes all of 20 seconds, shutdown about 
10 seconds. Agreed Windows still has it's place, and I have to be 
familiar with it due to my business and support of my clients. I even 
have an old PowerMac to keep up to date with my few clients using Macs.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 01/08/2013 12:25 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Is Disktrix UltimateDefrag free?  FOSS?  Lol, somehow i doubt it but i 
keep an ear out jic.


I tend to use the inbuilt Windows one.  I don't really care enough 
anymore to go beyond that.  When i did used to care i used  
PerfectDisk.  it usually has a 1 month free trial and that was usually 
enough for me.  Nowadays i just really prefer to just do a reasonably 
good job and since that is far, far ahead of the way most systems are 
set-up i just settle for that.  I've even found a tendency for ones in 
England to be set to US localisation and such.


If i want a fast system i just reboot into Gnu&Linux. Windows has 
other advantages but speed and security are not top of the list!


Eskimos have a lot of words for snow and ice because they see a lot of 
it all.  Windows has a lot of words for different security issues 
because it suffers from tons of different things.  [shrugs]  I still 
use Windows quite a bit though because when you know a thing's flaws 
it's usually easier to cope.  Like going round to see a cat owner who 
insists their cat is always free of fleas, you just know you are going 
to get bitten so you just deal with it.

Regards from
Tom :)





*From:* Andrew Brown 
*To:* Tom Davies 
*Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 23:01
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

Hi Tom

Ah Ok, I see, this is the same methodology I'm using. I generally
turn off the swap file for a badly defragged drive, including any
hibernation files etc if active or used on a laptop, then defrag
(Disktrix UltimateDefrag, possibly the best I've used to date).
After a good clean-up I then set the pagefile and any hibernation
files if necessary.

With UD's FragProtect, this only has to be done every few months,
and they are one of the few defraggers that can defrag and place
the MFT at the beginning of the drive along with the folders
entries, ahead of any data. But this has to be done with a reboot
and MS pre-install mode (UD does it all automatically) to complete
this task. And I've benched my drives on all of my systems, it
certainly makes for very fast boot and shutdown times, and better
stability.

Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 10:52 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> wrt Virtual Memory/pagefile.sys/Swap on Windows the trick seems
to be to set it as a fixed value.
>
> Find
> "System Properties" - Advanced tab - Performance (top 3rd)
Settings - Performance Settings - Advanced tab here too - Virtual
Memory (bottom section) Change
> There will be about 3 pop-ups open around now.
>
> Use the radio buttons there to change to a "Custom size".  This
really needs to be greater than Ram but not more than 2xRam (else
it gets confused and may even reduce performance while tripping
over it's own shoelaces).  It has to be greater than Ram because
when hibernating (perhaps sleeping too?) the contents of Ram gets
written to Virtual Memory.  But giving it too much just confuses
space just confuses things so just under 2xRam is good but over
that might get annoying.  Make sure the same number is in both the
top and bottom boxes.  Often there is a recommendation for how
much to set it too and it's usually not a bad idea to follow that
advice.  I've only seen it give a crazy suggestion once or twice
out of hundreds of machines.
>
> Ok, now it gets a bit fiddly.  You have to click on the "Set"
button before clicking on "Ok" otherwise it forgets and you have
to re-type the numbers again. Then you click "Ok" on each of the
pop-ups in turn. Again if you don't it's not harmful, just
annoying because it forge

[libreoffice-users] Calc - Matching Up Text Fields

[Don Parris]

Hi all,

I download two files from my banks that have transaction descriptions that
look like so (the one with a * to the left is from Bank #2 - the rest are
from Bank #1):
  PURCHASE AT MY GROCER #NNN, CHARLOTTE, NC ON 050913 FROM CARD#:
  *   MY GROCER #NNN CHARLOTTE NC
  PURCHASE AT BIG BOX , CHARLOTTE, NC ON 050413 FROM CARD#:
1113  MERCHANT PAYMENT BIG BOX A AT LOC NN BIG BOX
A PINEVILLE Charlotte NC

Notice the way two transactions at BIG BOX are referred to in two different
ways - one includes a date, while the other does not.  Also, all series of
"N"s & "X"s above are numbers.

My database has payee names like so:
entity_id  |  entity_name
01|  My Grocer
02|  Big Box

I want to prep the bank data and create a fresh CSV file, so as to cull out
some of the unnecessary data and create a fresh CSV file for importing into
my back-end DB.  Ideally, I can automagically match the entity name from
the description field to the entity name in my DB.  My question is (or
maybe questions are):

If I have the ID in ColA and the Name in ColB (from my DB), I want to put
the description list (from the banks) in ColE and be able to match payee
names and have the ID copied to ColD.  Even if I have to create a separate
column for each bank's description style, that's still gotta be better than
trying to manually match up transaction data from my bank to what I have in
my DB.

I thought about VLOOKUP, but that seems to not work at all when I try it
using text fields.  I can make that work in another project where I have
barcodes.  In that case, the barcodes make a solid primary key field to
work with.  In this case, I have no such animal - and need to match the
text fields in order to get that PK.  So perhaps VLOOKUP is not the best
way.  Is there another function that will let me do this, and how does it
work?

Thanks!
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Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
http://dcparris.net/

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Is Disktrix UltimateDefrag free?  FOSS?  Lol, somehow i doubt it but i keep an 
ear out jic.  

I tend to use the inbuilt Windows one.  I don't really care enough anymore to 
go beyond that.  When i did used to care i used  PerfectDisk.  it usually has a 
1 month free trial and that was usually enough for me.  Nowadays i just really 
prefer to just do a reasonably good job and since that is far, far ahead of the 
way most systems are set-up i just settle for that.  I've even found a tendency 
for ones in England to be set to US localisation and such.  

If i want a fast system i just reboot into Gnu&Linux.  Windows has other 
advantages but speed and security are not top of the list!  

Eskimos have a lot of words for snow and ice because they see a lot of it all.  
Windows has a lot of words for different security issues because it suffers 
from tons of different things.  [shrugs]  I still use Windows quite a bit 
though because when you know a thing's flaws it's usually easier to cope.  Like 
going round to see a cat owner who insists their cat is always free of fleas, 
you just know you are going to get bitten so you just deal with it.   
Regards from 
Tom :)  







>
> From: Andrew Brown 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 23:01
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
> 
>
>Hi Tom
>
>Ah Ok, I see, this is the same methodology I'm using. I generally turn off the 
>swap file for a badly defragged drive, including any hibernation files etc if 
>active or used on a laptop, then defrag (Disktrix UltimateDefrag, possibly the 
>best I've used to date). After a good clean-up I then set the pagefile and any 
>hibernation files if necessary.
>
>With UD's FragProtect, this only has to be done every few months, and they are 
>one of the few defraggers that can defrag and place the MFT at the beginning 
>of the drive along with the folders entries, ahead of any data. But this has 
>to be done with a reboot and MS pre-install mode (UD does it all 
>automatically) to complete this task. And I've benched my drives on all of my 
>systems, it certainly makes for very fast boot and shutdown times, and better 
>stability.
>
>Regards
>
>Andrew Brown
>
>On 31/07/2013 10:52 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> wrt Virtual Memory/pagefile.sys/Swap on Windows the trick seems to be to set 
>> it as a fixed value.
>> 
>> Find
>> "System Properties" - Advanced tab - Performance (top 3rd) Settings - 
>> Performance Settings - Advanced tab here too - Virtual Memory (bottom 
>> section) Change
>> There will be about 3 pop-ups open around now.
>> 
>> Use the radio buttons there to change to a "Custom size".  This really needs 
>> to be greater than Ram but not more than 2xRam (else it gets confused and 
>> may even reduce performance while tripping over it's own shoelaces).  It has 
>> to be greater than Ram because when hibernating (perhaps sleeping too?) the 
>> contents of Ram gets written to Virtual Memory.  But giving it too much just 
>> confuses space just confuses things so just under 2xRam is good but over 
>> that might get annoying.  Make sure the same number is in both the top and 
>> bottom boxes.  Often there is a recommendation for how much to set it too 
>> and it's usually not a bad idea to follow that advice.  I've only seen it 
>> give a crazy suggestion once or twice out of hundreds of machines.
>> 
>> Ok, now it gets a bit fiddly.  You have to click on the "Set" button before 
>> clicking on "Ok" otherwise it forgets and you have to re-type the numbers 
>> again.  Then you click "Ok" on each of the pop-ups in turn.  Again if you 
>> don't it's not harmful, just annoying because it forgets.
>> 
>> 
>> Of course if you have already been using your machine for a while then 
>> Virtual Memory is already quite fragmented so this will only 'stop' it 
>> getting worse.  It wont improve things. Also when i say 'stop' it will 
>> continue to suffer normal system rot and there are other factors such as 
>> registry fragmentation that will continue.  So, it fixes just 1 problem out 
>> of many.
>> 
>> When trying to resurrect an ancient and much used machine i would initially 
>> set Virtual Memory to 0.  Then defrag quite a lot and then plonk a fairly 
>> huge file onto the system.  Then reset the Virtual Memory to a respectable 
>> size and get rid of the huge file.  In theory i hoped that would force all 
>> the Virtual Memory file to be contiguous and out of the way.
>> 
>> 
>> Gnu&Linux does NOT SUFFER from fragmentation until the drive is something 
>> like 96% full, not sure of the exact figure but definitely over 90% (it's 
>> always that extra just 1 episode/movie of Star Trek).  Files might well be 
>> fragmented much lower than that despite the elegant way that files are 
>> carefully placed in Ext2,3,4 with plenty of room all around them to allow 
>> them to grow.  There is a limit to how much that policy can really work of 
>

[libreoffice-users] Re: Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer

[Screwbottle]

Likewise for this post follwoing after the post with the first screenshots.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Tom

Ah Ok, I see, this is the same methodology I'm using. I generally turn 
off the swap file for a badly defragged drive, including any hibernation 
files etc if active or used on a laptop, then defrag (Disktrix 
UltimateDefrag, possibly the best I've used to date). After a good 
clean-up I then set the pagefile and any hibernation files if necessary.


With UD's FragProtect, this only has to be done every few months, and 
they are one of the few defraggers that can defrag and place the MFT at 
the beginning of the drive along with the folders entries, ahead of any 
data. But this has to be done with a reboot and MS pre-install mode (UD 
does it all automatically) to complete this task. And I've benched my 
drives on all of my systems, it certainly makes for very fast boot and 
shutdown times, and better stability.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 10:52 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
wrt Virtual Memory/pagefile.sys/Swap on Windows the trick seems to be 
to set it as a fixed value.


Find
"System Properties" - Advanced tab - Performance (top 3rd) Settings - 
Performance Settings - Advanced tab here too - Virtual Memory (bottom 
section) Change

There will be about 3 pop-ups open around now.

Use the radio buttons there to change to a "Custom size".  This really 
needs to be greater than Ram but not more than 2xRam (else it gets 
confused and may even reduce performance while tripping over it's own 
shoelaces).  It has to be greater than Ram because when hibernating 
(perhaps sleeping too?) the contents of Ram gets written to Virtual 
Memory.  But giving it too much just confuses space just confuses 
things so just under 2xRam is good but over that might get annoying.  
Make sure the same number is in both the top and bottom boxes.  Often 
there is a recommendation for how much to set it too and it's usually 
not a bad idea to follow that advice.  I've only seen it give a crazy 
suggestion once or twice out of hundreds of machines.


Ok, now it gets a bit fiddly.  You have to click on the "Set" button 
before clicking on "Ok" otherwise it forgets and you have to re-type 
the numbers again.  Then you click "Ok" on each of the pop-ups in 
turn.  Again if you don't it's not harmful, just annoying because it 
forgets.



Of course if you have already been using your machine for a while then 
Virtual Memory is already quite fragmented so this will only 'stop' it 
getting worse.  It wont improve things. Also when i say 'stop' it will 
continue to suffer normal system rot and there are other factors such 
as registry fragmentation that will continue.  So, it fixes just 1 
problem out of many.


When trying to resurrect an ancient and much used machine i would 
initially set Virtual Memory to 0.  Then defrag quite a lot and then 
plonk a fairly huge file onto the system.  Then reset the Virtual 
Memory to a respectable size and get rid of the huge file.  In theory 
i hoped that would force all the Virtual Memory file to be contiguous 
and out of the way.



Gnu&Linux does NOT SUFFER from fragmentation until the drive is 
something like 96% full, not sure of the exact figure but definitely 
over 90% (it's always that extra just 1 episode/movie of Star Trek).  
Files might well be fragmented much lower than that despite the 
elegant way that files are carefully placed in Ext2,3,4 with plenty of 
room all around them to allow them to grow.  There is a limit to how 
much that policy can really work of course.  However even when files 
are fragmented there seems to be a better system for tracking where 
all the bits are so the read/write head can anticipate and plan ahead 
a bit better.


So what i find odd is that despite that Gnu&Linux doesn't use a Swap 
file by default!  One of the main rules in Gnu&Linux is that for any 
'rule' there is always at least 1 version or distro or something that 
deliberately breaks that rule but in the case of Swap i haven't found 
one yet.  They all seem to follow it!  They all seem to use a separate 
Swap partition or don't use Swap at all.



In Windows, which can't cope with fragmented files and couldn't (until 
fairly recently) defrag system files people insist on setting Virtual 
Memory to fragment as quickly as possible. Sometimes they set it to 
have a fixed lower amount and only vary the top-off but that still 
means the file gets read and re-written elsewhere and fragmented.


Normally by default it's set to keep changing size according to how 
much of it is needed.  That sounds good in theory.  When you need more 
memory it just expands to fill up more hard-drive space when you need 
less it releases some of it.  You can get Gnu&Linux to use a swap-file 
just the same instead (or as well as) having a separate fixed swap 
partition.  Unfortunately Windows file-systems such as the various 
Fats (vFat, Fat32 etc) and Ntfs are carefully designed to make sure 
files fragment quite quickly and end up with bits scattered all over 
the place.


Say you have file A that is 20

Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Kracked_P_P

You have me all quizzy now about it too. I own a Brother MFC-J6510DW 
large format multifunction printer, quite a process to set it up in 
Ubuntu (like you from 10.04 to present 13.04) and this box was ticked by 
default in LO's settings. I will experiment with it unticked and see if 
it affects my printer.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 09:33 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


When I had the issue with the duplexing on one printer, it seemed that 
everyone who was "helping" must have been on Windows, since they did 
not know what I was talking about with the "extra" dialog check box.  
Why it is listed in the Linux [Ubuntu 10.04LTS and 12.04LTS for me 
back then] and not in the Windows installs, I was never given a good 
answer.  I was told that "it was just needed for Linux and not for 
Windows".  Then the fact that for some printers the check box needed 
to be checked, while other did not, tended to make the issue a little 
worse to figure out.



On 07/31/2013 06:21 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

Hi Kracked_P_P

OK, you are correct in that there is an extra dialogue box for the 
Linux version of LO, in my case LO 4.0.4.2 running under Ubuntu 
130.04 Raring Ringtail. See the screenshots below now from Linux. If 
others want to see this then I will make an entry on Nabble.




The print settings seem the same except for the extra tick box to do 
"PDF as Standard Print Job Format"




Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 09:56 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

HI Kracked_P_P

As to my statement, here is a screenshot of the Windows version of 
LO 4.0.4.3. indicating the option to check "Use LiberOffice 
dialogues" under "General". I'll look under my Linux (dual boot) to 
see what you are referring to. You should see these screenshot, but 
it will be stripped when forwarded onto the global mail.




Nothing under the "Print"  section



Regards

On 30/07/2013 04:26 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


Last time I checked, Windows version did not have the --- "Use 
LibreOffice dialogs" in the "Print dialogs" section.


I do not think the Print dialogs would be, or should be, listed 
under open/save dialogs section.  That would not make sense. Are 
you saying the "print dialogs" check box is actually listed in that 
section of the "General" dialog box?


Well, I have not installed 4.1 yet, but the "Print dialogs" option 
was shown on the DEB 64-bit version [Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 
installed] and not on the Windows version [Win7 professional and 
home premium installed]


When I was having all my issues with my printer[s] not duplexing 
correctly, it seemed that most of the people who tried to help were 
Windows users.  None of the even suggested the "print dialog" 
check/uncheck option.  After a few weeks, I just started 
experimenting and found that checking the "print dialogs" option 
would make the Epson Artisan 810 printer duplex correctly.  The HP 
Laserjet 2300dn duplexing worked either way.  Now that I have a 
Cannon MG6220 to replace the Epson, I have not unchecked that box 
to see if the duplexing still worked.




On 07/30/2013 03:05 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

Hi Kracked_P_P

One correction, your last statement, the option to check "Use 
LiberOffice dialogues" is available for Windows users under the 
same "Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General". In this part of 
the "General" settings it's under the heading "Open/Save dialogues".


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 30/07/2013 02:11 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit 
LibO-4.1. is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest 
issue is trying to print specific pages within a Writer 
document: the print dialog box does not allow editing the 
specific pages text box. In order to make this work - i.e. to 
select the pages I wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and re-opened it, 
then it worked.


Anybody else experienced this?

I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 
(password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned 
here) which don't really inspire confidence as these are 
features that have been preserved since the OOo days ... so not 
at all sure why they don't work as expected with the 4.1 release.


Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined 
to roll back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point.


Cheers



I do not use Mint due to printer issues.  The biggest one 
wasthatit would not recognizeor even find it on my network my 
main network color printer that Ubuntu has not problems 
finding/using. But it would see it via a USB cable.  I had other 
printer/driver issues for it to print "properly" on the other 
printers on my network.


You are running 32-bit Mint 14?  Mate or Cinnamon desktop?
You removed the previously installed version of LO, correct?

Did you have any problems with 4.0.4 printing page selections?

In Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General
have you checked "Use LibreOff

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Jomali

Agreed iOS and OSX are built from portions of BSD, as well as NextStep 
(OpenStep, once Apple bought out the Next company), but it also does not 
play a major role in mainframes and servers, but I concede it did for a 
long time dominate the tablet market, and raised the desktop and laptop 
computer level to take  a slice of the pie away from MS.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 05:02 PM, jomali wrote:

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Andrew Brown  wrote:


And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of
Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined market
share.

http://www.statista.com/**topics/823/microsoft/chart/**
799/market-share-of-selected-**windows-operating-systems/

And it shows what you know of Linux. FACT, it along with various flavours
of Unix, power the known global Internet servers, Observatories,
MET/weather offices, Space exploration, the Mars machines, the majority of
military machines/equipment, medical equipment, and lo and behold a good
number of desktop, laptops around the world, and the no.1 O/S for mobile -
Android, followed shortly by Firefox O/S and Ubuntu Touch.


You might also include iOS, which is a stripped-down version of OSX, a
flavor of BSD.


You like many, incorrectly and simply refer to the desktop/laptop use of
an O/S, yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long.

Good Day

Andrew Brown


On 31/07/2013 10:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:


Again, you troll with no supply of facts. My response was out by 2%
WOW!!! but this article includes tablets and Windows RT

http://www.winbeta.org/news/**windows-8-and-windows-rt-**
account-45-global-tablet-**market-share-q2-2013

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 04:45 AM, Urmas wrote:


Just know that they are taking a knock, what with Windows 8 only
migrating into less than 2% of the world market of their existing XP and
Windows 7 base

Windows 8 already has a market share of Windows XP and Vista combined on
newer hardware (It's about 9 times of Linux marketshare, btw.).





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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
wrt Virtual Memory/pagefile.sys/Swap on Windows the trick seems to be to set it 
as a fixed value.  

Find 
"System Properties" - Advanced tab - Performance (top 3rd) Settings - 
Performance Settings - Advanced tab here too - Virtual Memory (bottom section) 
Change 
There will be about 3 pop-ups open around now.  

Use the radio buttons there to change to a "Custom size".  This really needs to 
be greater than Ram but not more than 2xRam (else it gets confused and may even 
reduce performance while tripping over it's own shoelaces).  It has to be 
greater than Ram because when hibernating (perhaps sleeping too?) the contents 
of Ram gets written to Virtual Memory.  But giving it too much just confuses 
space just confuses things so just under 2xRam is good but  over that might get 
annoying.  Make sure the same number is in both the top and bottom boxes.  
Often there is a recommendation for how much to set it too and it's usually not 
a bad idea to follow that advice.  I've only seen it give a crazy suggestion 
once or twice out of hundreds of machines.  

Ok, now it gets a bit fiddly.  You have to click on the "Set" button before 
clicking on "Ok" otherwise it forgets and you have to re-type the numbers 
again.  Then you click "Ok" on each of the pop-ups in turn.  Again if you don't 
it's not harmful, just annoying because it forgets.  


Of course if you have already been using your machine for a while then Virtual 
Memory is already quite fragmented so this will only 'stop' it getting worse.  
It wont improve things.  Also when i say 'stop' it will continue to suffer 
normal system rot and there are other factors such as registry fragmentation 
that will continue.  So, it fixes just 1 problem out of many.  

When trying to resurrect an ancient and much used machine i would initially set 
Virtual Memory to 0.  Then defrag quite a lot and then plonk a fairly huge file 
onto the system.  Then reset the Virtual Memory to a respectable size and get 
rid of the huge file.  In theory i hoped that would force all the Virtual 
Memory file to be contiguous and out of the way.  


Gnu&Linux does NOT SUFFER from fragmentation until the drive is something like 
96% full, not sure of the exact figure but definitely over 90% (it's always 
that extra just 1 episode/movie of Star Trek).  Files might well be fragmented 
much lower than that despite the elegant way that files are carefully placed in 
Ext2,3,4 with plenty of room all around them to allow them to grow.  There is a 
limit to how much that policy can really work of course.  However even when 
files are fragmented there seems to be a better system for tracking where all 
the bits are so the read/write head can anticipate and plan ahead a bit better. 
 

So what i find odd is that despite that Gnu&Linux doesn't use a Swap file by 
default!  One of the main rules in Gnu&Linux is that for any 'rule' there is 
always at least 1 version or distro or something that deliberately breaks that 
rule but in the case of Swap i haven't found one yet.  They all seem to follow 
it!  They all seem to use a separate Swap partition or don't use Swap at all.  


In Windows, which can't cope with fragmented files and couldn't (until fairly 
recently) defrag system files people insist on setting Virtual Memory to 
fragment as quickly as possible.  Sometimes they set it to have a fixed lower 
amount and only vary the top-off but that still means the file gets read and 
re-written elsewhere and fragmented.  

Normally by default it's set to keep changing size according to how much of it 
is needed.  That sounds good in theory.  When you need more memory it just 
expands to fill up more hard-drive space when you need less it releases some of 
it.  You can get Gnu&Linux to use a swap-file just the same instead (or as well 
as) having a separate fixed swap partition.  Unfortunately Windows file-systems 
such as the various Fats (vFat, Fat32 etc) and Ntfs are carefully designed to 
make sure files fragment quite quickly and end up with bits scattered all over 
the place.  

Say you have file A that is 20units long and the next file B is 10.  Then you 
delete A and write a file C that is 30 units.  Now you have 20units of C 
followed by 10 units of B followed by the remaining 10 of C.  If you now delete 
B and copy A back then you get 20 of C, followed by 10 of A followed by the 10 
remaining of C and then the last 10 of A.  So when you try reading a file the 
read/write head lurches around the drive trying to find the various shopped up 
parts of the file.  If that file is a frequently accessed system file such as 
Virtual Memory then it can significantly reduce performance.  

In Gnu&Linux it is reckoned that you can significantly increase performance by 
putting your system files, particularly your log files, on a different 
hard-drive from your data.  i mean a proper hard-drive not just a different 
partition on the same physical device.  The main reason for putting your dat

Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It seems to be for a fairly specific area of Italy.  I'm not even sure if the 
dialect has a separate name.  

In England we have a lot of different types of 'English' some of which are 
completely incomprehensible to an outsider living as far as 30miles away.  None 
of my family ever understood my Gran for example, but she was always there 
offering cups of tea with a rock-hard scone or porridge only slightly less 
runny than cement (actually it was all good stuff really but don't tell her 
that).  In the case of cockney that was a deliberate attempt to avoid passing 
anything onto "the old bill" by accident.  Liverpudlian and Geordie are perhaps 
due to different peoples having invaded us at different times and different 
kingdoms all over the place or different tribes claiming different parts.  I'm 
sure it's much the same in any other country.

Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 20:27
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?
> 
>
>On 07/31/2013 06:24 AM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:
>> On 07/31/2013 10:07 AM, Sergio Martino wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect
>>> and he asked for my help.
>>>
>>> First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It
>>> works.
>>
>> Can you help me to do this, is there any tutorial or something? How to 
>> build aff and dic so it can be tested?
>>
>> Kruno
>>
>
>I have made variations on the en_US dictionaries, but I used existing 
>.aff files.  I never have found any references to creating one.  Never 
>really found one for the .dic file and the .oxt file[s] as well.
>
>So I experimented wit the .dic and .oxt files till I got them to work 
>correctly.
>
>You never listed whatthe local dialect of what language you were 
>creating the .oxt dictionary for, or at least I have not seen it listed.
>
>I am a little behind the "game" right now, but I tried to make a list of 
>all of the different .oxt language files [dictionaries, thesaurus, etc.] 
>on my dictionary page listing.
>
>http://libreoffice-na.us/English-4.0-installs/dictionary.html
>
>I hope to have some time in the next month to check for updates to the 
>listed files.  As I update the files, I try to remember to listthe last 
>change of the word list or the thesaurus files. With 180 +/- listings, 
>it can take a lot of time to work on finding the updates.  But hopefully 
>I will be able to take time in August to do some of them.
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

When I had the issue with the duplexing on one printer, it seemed that 
everyone who was "helping" must have been on Windows, since they did not 
know what I was talking about with the "extra" dialog check box.  Why it 
is listed in the Linux [Ubuntu 10.04LTS and 12.04LTS for me back then] 
and not in the Windows installs, I was never given a good answer.  I was 
told that "it was just needed for Linux and not for Windows".  Then the 
fact that for some printers the check box needed to be checked, while 
other did not, tended to make the issue a little worse to figure out.



On 07/31/2013 06:21 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

Hi Kracked_P_P

OK, you are correct in that there is an extra dialogue box for the 
Linux version of LO, in my case LO 4.0.4.2 running under Ubuntu 130.04 
Raring Ringtail. See the screenshots below now from Linux. If others 
want to see this then I will make an entry on Nabble.




The print settings seem the same except for the extra tick box to do 
"PDF as Standard Print Job Format"




Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 09:56 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

HI Kracked_P_P

As to my statement, here is a screenshot of the Windows version of LO 
4.0.4.3. indicating the option to check "Use LiberOffice dialogues" 
under "General". I'll look under my Linux (dual boot) to see what you 
are referring to. You should see these screenshot, but it will be 
stripped when forwarded onto the global mail.




Nothing under the "Print"  section



Regards

On 30/07/2013 04:26 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


Last time I checked, Windows version did not have the --- "Use 
LibreOffice dialogs" in the "Print dialogs" section.


I do not think the Print dialogs would be, or should be, listed 
under open/save dialogs section.  That would not make sense. Are you 
saying the "print dialogs" check box is actually listed in that 
section of the "General" dialog box?


Well, I have not installed 4.1 yet, but the "Print dialogs" option 
was shown on the DEB 64-bit version [Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 
installed] and not on the Windows version [Win7 professional and 
home premium installed]


When I was having all my issues with my printer[s] not duplexing 
correctly, it seemed that most of the people who tried to help were 
Windows users.  None of the even suggested the "print dialog" 
check/uncheck option.  After a few weeks, I just started 
experimenting and found that checking the "print dialogs" option 
would make the Epson Artisan 810 printer duplex correctly.  The HP 
Laserjet 2300dn duplexing worked either way.  Now that I have a 
Cannon MG6220 to replace the Epson, I have not unchecked that box to 
see if the duplexing still worked.




On 07/30/2013 03:05 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

Hi Kracked_P_P

One correction, your last statement, the option to check "Use 
LiberOffice dialogues" is available for Windows users under the 
same "Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General". In this part of the 
"General" settings it's under the heading "Open/Save dialogues".


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 30/07/2013 02:11 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit 
LibO-4.1. is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue 
is trying to print specific pages within a Writer document: the 
print dialog box does not allow editing the specific pages text 
box. In order to make this work - i.e. to select the pages I 
wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and re-opened it, then it worked.


Anybody else experienced this?

I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 
(password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned 
here) which don't really inspire confidence as these are features 
that have been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all 
sure why they don't work as expected with the 4.1 release.


Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to 
roll back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point.


Cheers



I do not use Mint due to printer issues.  The biggest one 
wasthatit would not recognizeor even find it on my network my main 
network color printer that Ubuntu has not problems finding/using. 
But it would see it via a USB cable.  I had other printer/driver 
issues for it to print "properly" on the other printers on my 
network.


You are running 32-bit Mint 14?  Mate or Cinnamon desktop?
You removed the previously installed version of LO, correct?

Did you have any problems with 4.0.4 printing page selections?

In Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General
have you checked "Use LibreOffice dialogs" in the "Print dialogs" 
section?


Check it if not.  If already checked [which I used for Ubuntu 
12.04LTS] then un-check it.  See if that changes anything. This 
option does not show up with the Windows users, so they would not 
know this.  I had to check it to get one of my printers to duplex 
properly.  I am told others need to have it unchecked for their 
printer[s].



















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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 07/31/2013 06:24 AM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:

On 07/31/2013 10:07 AM, Sergio Martino wrote:

Hi,

a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect
and he asked for my help.

First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It
works.


Can you help me to do this, is there any tutorial or something? How to 
build aff and dic so it can be tested?


Kruno



I have made variations on the en_US dictionaries, but I used existing 
.aff files.  I never have found any references to creating one.  Never 
really found one for the .dic file and the .oxt file[s] as well.


So I experimented wit the .dic and .oxt files till I got them to work 
correctly.


You never listed whatthe local dialect of what language you were 
creating the .oxt dictionary for, or at least I have not seen it listed.


I am a little behind the "game" right now, but I tried to make a list of 
all of the different .oxt language files [dictionaries, thesaurus, etc.] 
on my dictionary page listing.


http://libreoffice-na.us/English-4.0-installs/dictionary.html

I hope to have some time in the next month to check for updates to the 
listed files.  As I update the files, I try to remember to listthe last 
change of the word list or the thesaurus files. With 180 +/- listings, 
it can take a lot of time to work on finding the updates.  But hopefully 
I will be able to take time in August to do some of them.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks all!! :D

A very informative thread and i feel i have learned quite a lot from this.  It 
was a tad off-topic to start with so thanks for helping me out anyway.  I like 
this list quite a lot these days.  It's almost like a family, complete with all 
the arguments and everything ;)  

Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Tanstaafl 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 13:14
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World
> 
>
>On 2013-07-31 3:20 AM, Andrew Brown  wrote:
>> Not what I am referring to, I think you have misunderstood my content.
>> Agreed and I know the headers (or should I say mail body code)
>
>I assure you I have a very good understanding of this, and 'mail body 
>code' is certainly *not* another way of saying 'email headers'.
>
>> What I am referring to is that the header information is hidden by
>> default, but one can reveal this hidden info to trace where the mail
>> has come from or going to. It's used by security officers like myself
>> and online Service Providers to trace emails, spam, malicious content
>> etc.
>
>Been there/done that many times.
>
>> if you ever launch a complaint to your SP over spam mail received, they
>> ask you to send a copy of the email with "All" headers revealed. In
>> Thunderbird this is a relatively easy thing to do, just two clicks, as I
>> explained to Tom in my email. In MS Outlook a bit more involved "Email
>> opened in new window - expand Tags toolbar lower right (you will also
>> see "Follow up" and "Mark as unread" option there) - Options - Internet
>> headers.
>
>Or, you can just do as I *always* have done - and what every lawyer or 
>'security officer' I have ever worked with requests - and forward the 
>email in question *as an attachment* - which *always* includes the full 
>headers.
>
>Forwarding in-line (as you are discussing), the headers that are 
>included in the mail body text are way too easily modified (either 
>accidental or by intent), and should *never* be relied on by a 'security 
>officer' tasked with investigating such things.
>
>> What I was simply replying to Tom, was how to reveal the headers to see
>> if the email was spam. And no if your headers are in their normal
>> state/setting, hidden by default, they are never revealed in any emails
>> sent, that is the body text of the sender. Only if you leave the option
>> to reveal the headers on, will the sent emails show all of the code and
>> make the email look like garbage.
>
>And again, this is only true when replying, and when forwarding 
>*in-line*. When forwarding as an attachment, the full headers are 
>*always* included.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Using a listeners in a basic macro

[Jim Byrnes]

On 07/28/2013 05:26 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
Hi Fernand,

Your reply went straight to my email inbox so I a reposting it here to 
keep the thread alive.




Is there a concise list or table that shows what listeners are available
to use in a calc sheet? Or maybe a way to generate one?

Thanks,  Jim





 Jim ,

i hope you know how to use xray , who can tell you what listeners are 
available for a sheet, and once you createted the listener, what methods 
are available.



I installed xray and it is working but I am not seeing the output I 
expected.  Either I am not using it correctly or my expectations are 
wrong.  I have tried running it manually and from a macro.  The code 
below is an example of a listener I found on the web.


Sub Main
rem added by me
GlobalScope.BasicLibraries.loadLibrary("XrayTool")
xray thisComponent

End Sub

global Calc1 as Object
global oListner as Object
Sub AddListners
   Calc1 = thisComponent.sheets(0).GetCellRangeByName("A2:Z20")
   oListner = CreateUnoListener( "Sheet1_", 
"com.sun.star.util.XModifyListener" )

   Calc1.AddModifyListener(oListner)
End Sub

Sub Sheet1_Modified(oEvent)
dim ocell,osheet
on error resume next
oCell = thisComponent.currentSelection
 IF oCell.string="ok" then
msgbox oCell.string
  end if
End Sub

Sub Sheet1_Disposing()
End Sub

Here is some output from xray:

   _ Events watched by this Listener _
disposing  com.sun.star.lang.XEventListener


modified  com.sun.star.util.XModifyListener

   _ Methods using this Listener as a parameter _( nothing to 
display )


Shouldn't something be displayed?

Regards,  Jim




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[jomali]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Andrew Brown  wrote:

> And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of
> Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined market
> share.
>
> http://www.statista.com/**topics/823/microsoft/chart/**
> 799/market-share-of-selected-**windows-operating-systems/
>
> And it shows what you know of Linux. FACT, it along with various flavours
> of Unix, power the known global Internet servers, Observatories,
> MET/weather offices, Space exploration, the Mars machines, the majority of
> military machines/equipment, medical equipment, and lo and behold a good
> number of desktop, laptops around the world, and the no.1 O/S for mobile -
> Android, followed shortly by Firefox O/S and Ubuntu Touch.
>
You might also include iOS, which is a stripped-down version of OSX, a
flavor of BSD.

>
> You like many, incorrectly and simply refer to the desktop/laptop use of
> an O/S, yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long.
>
> Good Day
>
> Andrew Brown
>
>
> On 31/07/2013 10:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:
>
>> Again, you troll with no supply of facts. My response was out by 2%
>> WOW!!! but this article includes tablets and Windows RT
>>
>> http://www.winbeta.org/news/**windows-8-and-windows-rt-**
>> account-45-global-tablet-**market-share-q2-2013
>>
>> Andrew Brown
>>
>> On 31/07/2013 04:45 AM, Urmas wrote:
>>
>>> Just know that they are taking a knock, what with Windows 8 only
>>> migrating into less than 2% of the world market of their existing XP and
>>> Windows 7 base
>>>
>>> Windows 8 already has a market share of Windows XP and Vista combined on
>>> newer hardware (It's about 9 times of Linux marketshare, btw.).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[James Knott]

Andrew Brown wrote:
> yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long.

Of course one also has to look at why MS dominates.  The reasons include
strong arming and extortion.  MS has long been an unethical company,
going back to when Bill Gates and Paul Allen developed a BASIC
interpreter for the Altair 8800 computer.  MITS, the company that
produced the Altair hired Bill Gates and Paul Allen to create the
interpreter.  They developed it on the Harvard computers, in violation
of policy that those computer not be used for commercial purposes. 
Then, after BG saw the commercial potential for BASIC, claimed he owned
the software MITS had paid for.  Then in the DOS/early Windows days, MS
required computer manufacturers to pay for a licence on every computer
sold, regardless whether it shipped with DOS/Windows.  There was also a
test in Windows to see if it was running on DR-DOS and would then throw
up a bogus error message.  Then there was the issue of Windows API,
where MS apps ran better than competitor's, because MS used hidden API
that were not available to competitors.  Or how they told WordPerfect
about the new Windows API, but changed them just before Windows 95
(IIRC) was released.  Or how MS refused to licence Windows 95 to IBM,
unless IBM stopped promoting OS/2 (there's also the incident where MS
misappropriated IBM's money for OS/2 development to Windows).  Or how
they claimed in court the Internet Explorer couldn't be removed because
it was part of the operating system.  It wasn't at the time, but soon
became so, opening up all sorts of security problems is in the process. 
More recently, with site licences, MS requires all computers to be
licensed, even if they can't run the software.  The list of MS unethical
behaviour is a long one.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[James Knott]

Tom Davies wrote:
> Netbooks died off for 1 reason only.  That was because people wanted Windows 
> on them

Actually, there was a bit of MS strong arming manufacturers as well.  I
have an Asus Eee PC, which I loaned to a friend.  She loves it, even
though her computer experience had previously been only on Windows. 
Look at the efforts MS is taking to keep other operating systems off
newer systems with UEFI requiring signatures provided only by MS.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World

[Brian Barker]

At 09:20 31/07/2013 +0200, Andrew Brown wrote:

On 30/07/2013 12:48 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:

On 2013-07-30 5:16 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:
Remember to return your headers to "normal" otherwise every 
subsequent email will be sent out with all headers exposed in the 
email, generally looking like garbage.


Eh? All headers are *always* present in *all* emails *everyone* sends.

I think you're talking about the fact that inline replies/forwards 
will show all of these headers in the QUOTED text (which is true), 
and since most people blindly top-post, quoting the entire message 
they are replying to/forwarding without snipping/trimming and 
generally never even consider the implications of this, then yes, 
the quoted text in *those* people's messages will end up looking 
like 'garbage'...


Not what I am referring to, I think you have misunderstood my content.


Er, could it be that you misunderstand?

What I was simply replying to Tom, was how to reveal the headers to 
see if the email was spam. And no if your headers are in their 
normal state/setting, hidden by default, they are never revealed in 
any emails sent, that is the body text of the sender. Only if you 
leave the option to reveal the headers on, will the sent emails show 
all of the code and make the email look like garbage.


You are talking about "emails sent" and "sent emails" without 
qualification, so you clearly mean *all* sent messages.  And you 
clearly think that display choices that you make in your mail client 
can cause the headers of messages you send somehow to travel with 
their headers inherently displayed.  That can't be so - can it? - or 
you wouldn't be able to make the choices you do with your received messages.


As the previous correspondent said, this setting in your mail client 
does not influence the headers of sent messages in any way.  It may 
be, of course, that the current state of display in your mail client 
will affect what text is included in the body of any message prepared 
by you as a reply or forward of a received message.  But that is 
somewhat irrelevant: as a courteous e-mail user, you would edit any 
such imported text to include only what you specifically needed to 
send, wouldn't you?  The new message you are preparing will have its 
own headers when it is sent (and accumulated as it progresses to its 
destination); how these are displayed or suppressed in the 
recipient's mail client is under their control, not yours.


In any case, the material included in the body (not headers) of any 
reply or forward would surely be governed by your display setting at 
the time the message was prepared, not when it was sent.


But this is all rather off-topic ...

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[James Knott]

Urmas wrote:
> Another major reason are huge bribes given to government officials to
> deploy {Libre|Open}Office solutions in budget-funding institutions
> worldwide.

Actually, if you care to check the facts, it's Microsoft that's been
doing that.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[James Knott]

Urmas wrote:
> So the open document standards were
> born and ratified and accpeted by the majority of the world that counts.
>
> Microsoft is using an open standard format called OpenXML. Stop
> pushing your vendor-locked ODF crap here please.
You may want to read up a bit on OpenXML and how it was rammed through
ISO and also how Microsoft themselves don't follow it.  The way it
became a "standard" was an absolute farce that crippled an ISO committee
that's also supposed to handle other stuff.  Are you aware OpenXML
perpetuates that  year 1900 Excel bug and makes it standard?  Did you
know about all the non-disclosed binary blobs that are part of OpenXML? 
Now tell me again who's pushing "vendor-locked crap".


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http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20080719233709726

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Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-07-31 3:20 AM, Andrew Brown  wrote:

Not what I am referring to, I think you have misunderstood my content.
Agreed and I know the headers (or should I say mail body code)


I assure you I have a very good understanding of this, and 'mail body 
code' is certainly *not* another way of saying 'email headers'.



What I am referring to is that the header information is hidden by
default, but one can reveal this hidden info to trace where the mail
has come from or going to. It's used by security officers like myself
and online Service Providers to trace emails, spam, malicious content
etc.


Been there/done that many times.


if you ever launch a complaint to your SP over spam mail received, they
ask you to send a copy of the email with "All" headers revealed. In
Thunderbird this is a relatively easy thing to do, just two clicks, as I
explained to Tom in my email. In MS Outlook a bit more involved "Email
opened in new window - expand Tags toolbar lower right (you will also
see "Follow up" and "Mark as unread" option there) - Options - Internet
headers.


Or, you can just do as I *always* have done - and what every lawyer or 
'security officer' I have ever worked with requests - and forward the 
email in question *as an attachment* - which *always* includes the full 
headers.


Forwarding in-line (as you are discussing), the headers that are 
included in the mail body text are way too easily modified (either 
accidental or by intent), and should *never* be relied on by a 'security 
officer' tasked with investigating such things.



What I was simply replying to Tom, was how to reveal the headers to see
if the email was spam. And no if your headers are in their normal
state/setting, hidden by default, they are never revealed in any emails
sent, that is the body text of the sender. Only if you leave the option
to reveal the headers on, will the sent emails show all of the code and
make the email look like garbage.


And again, this is only true when replying, and when forwarding 
*in-line*. When forwarding as an attachment, the full headers are 
*always* included.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Automatic Backup in LibreOffice Base

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 30/07/13 17:26, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi,

I could be mistaken, but automatic backup doesn't work for Base
documents, and to be honest, I don't think it ever did (or at least not
properly).


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I have to disagree.  Amit does have some good points even if some minor details 
are not entirely accurate.  


It's a subject we often argue about here.  Yes we do need to follow MS's lead 
and keep working at greater and greater compatibility with their formats and 
their ways of doing things.  That is why we do invest a LOT of time and 
resources into doing exactly that.  Amit is right.  

However their format does keep changing around a bit between one release of 
their program and the next.  It's unpredictable despite the name of their 
format staying the same and despite them having acquired the ISO stamp of 
approval for the name of their ever-changing format.  So they make 1 small 
tweak here or there and keep everyone busy trying to guess where the change is 
and how to read it now.  


The main problem is that if we always follow MSO's lead then they will always 
be in the lead.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  







>
> From: Andrew Brown 
>To: Amit Choudhary  
>Cc: Tom Davies ; la10...@iperbole.bologna.it; 
>users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 11:36
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
> 
>
>Amit
>
>Your knowledge of the document standards is limited by your reply here. 
>This issue of the document standards and naming convention was covered 
>by a world body of multinationals and the preservation of all things in 
>human digital text etc. This was to allow anyone, alien or earthly, 
>thousands of years from now, to decode and read and modify the history 
>in the digital world of mankind. So the open document standards were 
>born and ratified and accepted by the majority of the world that counts. 
>MS did not agree and tried to introduce their own so-called opens 
>standard with the .xml base, i.e.x docx, xlsx, and so forth.
>
>But it has not been accepted by the world bodies, even though the MS 
>document standard does survive. As you will now notice MSO 2007 
>(partially), MSO 2010 and 2013 all can reads and write in the ODS 
>standard used by OOo, AOO and LO. MS had no choice but to fit in and 
>follow suit, so it's not the other way around that we and all other s 
>outside of the use of MSO, must fit in. The ODS standard is here to 
>stayt and will dominate over time, no matter what the masses say and 
>want. It's about education that we all have choices and many efficient 
>and useful alternatives in the digital world.
>
>Regards
>
>Andrew Brown
>
>On 27/07/2013 12:46 PM, Amit Choudhary wrote:
>> If we have to beat Microsoft then we need to focus only on what Microsoft
>> provides and not on .odt format, etc. We cannot beat Microsoft by
>> introducing a new format and expecting customers to use new formats (I use
>> Microsoft formats only and whatever other formats is suported by Microsoft).
>>
>> We need to beat Microsoft at its own game by doing what they are doing in
>> office suite. A new format is not going to change the game but being
>> totally compatible and stable with the formats that Micorosoft supports
>> (xls, xlsx, doc, docx, save as pdf, text, etc.) is going to change the game.
>>
>> Amit
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Amit Choudhary <
>> contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer
>>> science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, Juniper
>>> networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and
>>> Microsoft for one reason or other.
>>>
>>> This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by
>>> now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary
>>> software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc.
>>>
>>> We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite.
>>>
>>> The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can
>>> be done by increasing the QA cycle period.
>>>
>>> I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management.
>>> And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even if
>>> I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc.
>>>
>>> This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work
>>> doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for
>>> innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end,
>>> the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things
>>> properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill
>>> the product.
>>>
>>> THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS
>>> FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND
>>> HENCE THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM.
>>>
>>> I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something
>>> every month then it becomes a headache to me.
>>>
>>> RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD.
>>>
>>> THE B

[libreoffice-users] Re: Libreoffice doesn't open some .docx

[darkarcanis]

> Hmm, maybe your Calibri font file is corrupted? I have Calibri font on 
> my system, wrote a new file using the font, closed and opened.

No, file isn't corrupted, this font work normally under Windows and in
kwrite for example. This bug isn't related to LO official build, it is only
for Archlinux and only for LO ver.4.0.4 (downgrade to 4.0.3 solves the
problem). Here are links to bugtracker and official forum:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/35892
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=165528
Thank you for your trouble. If I look more closely at the problem, this
topic wouldn't be necessary.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Urmas]

Can you help me to do this, is there any tutorial or something? How to
build aff and dic so it can be tested?

This one is a good start: http://linux.die.net/man/4/hunspell

To test it with LO, download some dictionary extension, rename it, throw 
away unneeded files and  make corresponding changes in description.xml and 
Dictionaries.xcu




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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Urmas]

https://bugs.freedesktop.org

Product: LibreOffice
Component: Linguistic
Severity: enhancement



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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Krunoslav Šebetić]

On 07/31/2013 10:07 AM, Sergio Martino wrote:

Hi,

a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect
and he asked for my help.

First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It
works.


Can you help me to do this, is there any tutorial or something? How to 
build aff and dic so it can be tested?


Kruno

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Kracked_P_P

OK, you are correct in that there is an extra dialogue box for the Linux 
version of LO, in my case LO 4.0.4.2 running under Ubuntu 130.04 Raring 
Ringtail. See the screenshots below now from Linux. If others want to 
see this then I will make an entry on Nabble.




The print settings seem the same except for the extra tick box to do 
"PDF as Standard Print Job Format"




Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 09:56 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

HI Kracked_P_P

As to my statement, here is a screenshot of the Windows version of LO 
4.0.4.3. indicating the option to check "Use LiberOffice dialogues" 
under "General". I'll look under my Linux (dual boot) to see what you 
are referring to. You should see these screenshot, but it will be 
stripped when forwarded onto the global mail.




Nothing under the "Print"  section



Regards

On 30/07/2013 04:26 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


Last time I checked, Windows version did not have the --- "Use 
LibreOffice dialogs" in the "Print dialogs" section.


I do not think the Print dialogs would be, or should be, listed under 
open/save dialogs section.  That would not make sense. Are you saying 
the "print dialogs" check box is actually listed in that section of 
the "General" dialog box?


Well, I have not installed 4.1 yet, but the "Print dialogs" option 
was shown on the DEB 64-bit version [Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 
installed] and not on the Windows version [Win7 professional and home 
premium installed]


When I was having all my issues with my printer[s] not duplexing 
correctly, it seemed that most of the people who tried to help were 
Windows users.  None of the even suggested the "print dialog" 
check/uncheck option.  After a few weeks, I just started 
experimenting and found that checking the "print dialogs" option 
would make the Epson Artisan 810 printer duplex correctly.  The HP 
Laserjet 2300dn duplexing worked either way.  Now that I have a 
Cannon MG6220 to replace the Epson, I have not unchecked that box to 
see if the duplexing still worked.




On 07/30/2013 03:05 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

Hi Kracked_P_P

One correction, your last statement, the option to check "Use 
LiberOffice dialogues" is available for Windows users under the same 
"Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General". In this part of the 
"General" settings it's under the heading "Open/Save dialogues".


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 30/07/2013 02:11 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit 
LibO-4.1. is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue 
is trying to print specific pages within a Writer document: the 
print dialog box does not allow editing the specific pages text 
box. In order to make this work - i.e. to select the pages I 
wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and re-opened it, then it worked.


Anybody else experienced this?

I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 
(password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned 
here) which don't really inspire confidence as these are features 
that have been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all sure 
why they don't work as expected with the 4.1 release.


Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to 
roll back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point.


Cheers



I do not use Mint due to printer issues.  The biggest one wasthatit 
would not recognizeor even find it on my network my main network 
color printer that Ubuntu has not problems finding/using. But it 
would see it via a USB cable.  I had other printer/driver issues 
for it to print "properly" on the other printers on my network.


You are running 32-bit Mint 14?  Mate or Cinnamon desktop?
You removed the previously installed version of LO, correct?

Did you have any problems with 4.0.4 printing page selections?

In Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General
have you checked "Use LibreOffice dialogs" in the "Print dialogs" 
section?


Check it if not.  If already checked [which I used for Ubuntu 
12.04LTS] then un-check it.  See if that changes anything. This 
option does not show up with the Windows users, so they would not 
know this.  I had to check it to get one of my printers to duplex 
properly.  I am told others need to have it unchecked for their 
printer[s].
















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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Tom

Yep, and these mobile devices are in the majority of using Android 
today, a Linux distro, having outpaced even the successful Apple 
pad/tablet with iOS on them. And as I covered, Firefox O/S for mobiles 
is here and next year Ubuntu Touch which is being designed to run 
alongside Android if one so wishes.


If you look at the web advertising of the Ubuntu device known as the 
Ubuntu Edge, it is, if it lives up to it's sales pitch, going to be the 
most powerful mobile device on the market, running both Ubuntu desktop 
O/S, Ubuntu Touch and Android. Cannonical are hoping that it will be so 
powerful as to replace many desktops, by simply plugging in a screen, 
keyboard and mouse, see the video in the supplied URL. Plus if you have 
the money, you can buy one now, as I have already done with the $775 
choice, right side of page. I would have liked to have gone for the 
$10,000 option but whew!! that's a bit steep for my pocket.


http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge--35

Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 11:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think Windows will continue to dominate the desktops and full 
laptops, maybe even down to notebooks.


Netbooks died off for 1 reason only.  That was because people wanted 
Windows on them and then found that the machines ran ridiculously 
slowly.  Any version of Gnu&Linux, even Ubuntu, made the machines 
really fast and seemingly powerful.  People weren't ready for 
non-Windows back then.  However they were a good ice-breaker.  Now 
people are happy with even smaller and less powerful devices.


So, while Windows dominates the desktops we keep hearing that the "age 
of the desktop is over" and it's already being reported that comparing 
the amount of time people spend on desktops compared to using 
hand-helds has already tipped in favour of the hand-helds and other 
mobile devices.


Regards from
Tom :)




*From:* Andrew Brown 
*To:* Urmas 
*Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 9:37
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your
claims of
Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined
market share.


http://www.statista.com/topics/823/microsoft/chart/799/market-share-of-selected-windows-operating-systems/

And it shows what you know of Linux. FACT, it along with various
flavours of Unix, power the known global Internet servers,
Observatories, MET/weather offices, Space exploration, the Mars
machines, the majority of military machines/equipment, medical
equipment, and lo and behold a good number of desktop, laptops around
the world, and the no.1 O/S for mobile - Android, followed shortly by
Firefox O/S and Ubuntu Touch.

You like many, incorrectly and simply refer to the desktop/laptop
use of
an O/S, yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long.

Good Day

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 10:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:
> Again, you troll with no supply of facts. My response was out by 2%
> WOW!!! but this article includes tablets and Windows RT
>
>

http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-8-and-windows-rt-account-45-global-tablet-market-share-q2-2013

>
>
> Andrew Brown
>
> On 31/07/2013 04:45 AM, Urmas wrote:
>> Just know that they are taking a knock, what with Windows 8 only
>> migrating into less than 2% of the world market of their
existing XP and
>> Windows 7 base
>>
>> Windows 8 already has a market share of Windows XP and Vista
combined
>> on newer hardware (It's about 9 times of Linux marketshare, btw.).
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Sergio

Ok, went back to look at this to try and help further, as I was able to 
load my countries two of the 11 languages I wanted to use, this way.


In "Tools - Options - Language settings - Languages" in the section 
"Language of" and field "Locale setting" can you see your created 
language/dialect you are wanting to use. And then further down under the 
section "Default languages for documents" and field "Western" or "Asian" 
or "CTL", can you see your created language/dialect there.


Likewise under "Tools - Options - Language settings - Writing aids", in 
the "User-defined dictionaries", you can click on the "New" radio button 
and add the name you gave the dictionary, then in the next drop-down 
menu "language" see if you can again locate your created language/dialect".


Hope this helps you to get further. If not then I would follow Tom's 
proposal in his reply.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 11:25 AM, Sergio Martino wrote:

Dear Andrew,

maybe I am missing something.

In "Tools - Options - Language settings - Languages" I can set the
defaults but I am only able to choose among the existing languages.

In "Tools - Options - Language settings - Writing Aids" I can set the
user-defined dictionaries (which add/subtract to/from an existing
languages) but again can not add a language.

Sergio


On 31/07/2013 10:47, Andrew Brown wrote:

Hi Sergio

Have you tried to add it under "Tools - Options - Language settings" and
then the sub-options of "Languages" and "Writing aids". This might guide
you to get the language into your workspace.

Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 10:07 AM, Sergio Martino wrote:

Hi,

a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect
and he asked for my help.

First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It
works.

Next I was able to construct an oxt which install correctly. However the
new language do not appear in the list of the installed ones so I was
not able to use it for checking the open document.

As a quick hack, I chose an existing language, replaced the aff and dic
file and installed it. It works.

So the step I am missing to accomplish my task, it  is how to "register"
a new language in order to be seen in the combo box in the spelling
checker dialog.

Can someone help me with instruction or a pointer to a guide?

TIA

Sergio Martino








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think Windows will continue to dominate the desktops and full laptops, maybe 
even down to notebooks.  

Netbooks died off for 1 reason only.  That was because people wanted Windows on 
them and then found that the machines ran ridiculously slowly.  Any version of 
Gnu&Linux, even Ubuntu, made the machines really fast and seemingly powerful.  
People weren't ready for non-Windows back then.  However they were a good 
ice-breaker.  Now people are happy with even smaller and less powerful devices. 
 

So, while Windows dominates the desktops we keep hearing that the "age of the 
desktop is over" and it's already being reported that comparing the amount of 
time people spend on desktops compared to using hand-helds has already tipped 
in favour of the hand-helds and other mobile devices.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






>
> From: Andrew Brown 
>To: Urmas  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 9:37
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3
> 
>
>And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of 
>Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined 
>market share.
>
>http://www.statista.com/topics/823/microsoft/chart/799/market-share-of-selected-windows-operating-systems/
>
>And it shows what you know of Linux. FACT, it along with various 
>flavours of Unix, power the known global Internet servers, 
>Observatories, MET/weather offices, Space exploration, the Mars 
>machines, the majority of military machines/equipment, medical 
>equipment, and lo and behold a good number of desktop, laptops around 
>the world, and the no.1 O/S for mobile - Android, followed shortly by 
>Firefox O/S and Ubuntu Touch.
>
>You like many, incorrectly and simply refer to the desktop/laptop use of 
>an O/S, yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long.
>
>Good Day
>
>Andrew Brown
>
>On 31/07/2013 10:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:
>> Again, you troll with no supply of facts. My response was out by 2% 
>> WOW!!! but this article includes tablets and Windows RT
>>
>> http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-8-and-windows-rt-account-45-global-tablet-market-share-q2-2013
>>  
>>
>>
>> Andrew Brown
>>
>> On 31/07/2013 04:45 AM, Urmas wrote:
>>> Just know that they are taking a knock, what with Windows 8 only
>>> migrating into less than 2% of the world market of their existing XP and
>>> Windows 7 base
>>>
>>> Windows 8 already has a market share of Windows XP and Vista combined 
>>> on newer hardware (It's about 9 times of Linux marketshare, btw.).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
1.  Have you been in contact with the translators mailing list?  The one 
international one brings together people with a lot of skills from most of the 
various languages on offer.  They might be able to help with this sort of thing.

2.  Which language?

3.  Congrats on an amazing amount of good work so far! :D  Nicely done! :))

Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Sergio Martino 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 9:07
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for  new language?
> 
>
>Hi,
>
>a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect
>and he asked for my help.
>
>First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It
>works.
>
>Next I was able to construct an oxt which install correctly. However the
>new language do not appear in the list of the installed ones so I was
>not able to use it for checking the open document.
>
>As a quick hack, I chose an existing language, replaced the aff and dic
>file and installed it. It works.
>
>So the step I am missing to accomplish my task, it  is how to "register"
>a new language in order to be seen in the combo box in the spelling
>checker dialog.
>
>Can someone help me with instruction or a pointer to a guide?
>
>TIA
>
>Sergio Martino
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Sergio

Have you tried to add it under "Tools - Options - Language settings" and 
then the sub-options of "Languages" and "Writing aids". This might guide 
you to get the language into your workspace.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 10:07 AM, Sergio Martino wrote:

Hi,

a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect
and he asked for my help.

First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It
works.

Next I was able to construct an oxt which install correctly. However the
new language do not appear in the list of the installed ones so I was
not able to use it for checking the open document.

As a quick hack, I chose an existing language, replaced the aff and dic
file and installed it. It works.

So the step I am missing to accomplish my task, it  is how to "register"
a new language in order to be seen in the combo box in the spelling
checker dialog.

Can someone help me with instruction or a pointer to a guide?

TIA

Sergio Martino




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[Andrew Brown]

And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of 
Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined 
market share.


http://www.statista.com/topics/823/microsoft/chart/799/market-share-of-selected-windows-operating-systems/

And it shows what you know of Linux. FACT, it along with various 
flavours of Unix, power the known global Internet servers, 
Observatories, MET/weather offices, Space exploration, the Mars 
machines, the majority of military machines/equipment, medical 
equipment, and lo and behold a good number of desktop, laptops around 
the world, and the no.1 O/S for mobile - Android, followed shortly by 
Firefox O/S and Ubuntu Touch.


You like many, incorrectly and simply refer to the desktop/laptop use of 
an O/S, yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long.


Good Day

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 10:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:
Again, you troll with no supply of facts. My response was out by 2% 
WOW!!! but this article includes tablets and Windows RT


http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-8-and-windows-rt-account-45-global-tablet-market-share-q2-2013 



Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 04:45 AM, Urmas wrote:

Just know that they are taking a knock, what with Windows 8 only
migrating into less than 2% of the world market of their existing XP and
Windows 7 base

Windows 8 already has a market share of Windows XP and Vista combined 
on newer hardware (It's about 9 times of Linux marketshare, btw.).









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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Urmas]

So the step I am missing to accomplish my task, it  is how to "register"
a new language in order to be seen in the combo box in the spelling
checker dialog.

Unlike Microsoft Office, it cannot be done. The code changes must be made.
So you will have to stick to dummy language names.

If that is a real language, you can submit a bug to add it.


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[libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?

[Sergio Martino]

Hi,

a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect
and he asked for my help.

First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It
works.

Next I was able to construct an oxt which install correctly. However the
new language do not appear in the list of the installed ones so I was
not able to use it for checking the open document.

As a quick hack, I chose an existing language, replaced the aff and dic
file and installed it. It works.

So the step I am missing to accomplish my task, it  is how to "register"
a new language in order to be seen in the combo box in the spelling
checker dialog.

Can someone help me with instruction or a pointer to a guide?

TIA

Sergio Martino

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[Andrew Brown]

Again, you troll with no supply of facts. My response was out by 2% 
WOW!!! but this article includes tablets and Windows RT


http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-8-and-windows-rt-account-45-global-tablet-market-share-q2-2013

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 04:45 AM, Urmas wrote:

Just know that they are taking a knock, what with Windows 8 only
migrating into less than 2% of the world market of their existing XP and
Windows 7 base

Windows 8 already has a market share of Windows XP and Vista combined 
on newer hardware (It's about 9 times of Linux marketshare, btw.).







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3

[Andrew Brown]

Urmas

Of which it has never been fully ratified and accepted as an open 
document standard, the argument still proceeds today over the MS open 
standards.


-


   Standardization process

Main article: Standardization of Office Open XML 



Microsoft submitted initial material to Ecma International 
 Technical Committee 
TC45, where it was standardized to become ECMA-376, approved in December 
2006.^[13] 


This standard was then fast-tracked in the Joint Technical Committee 1 
 of ISO and IEC. After initially 
failing to pass 
, 
an amended version of the format received the necessary votes for 
approval as an ISO/IEC Standard as the result of a JTC 1 
 fast tracking 
standardization process that concluded in April 2008.^[14] 
 
The resulting four part International Standard (designated ISO/IEC 
29500:2008) was published in November 2008^[15] 
 and can be 
downloaded from the ITTF 
.^[16] 
 A 
technically equivalent set of texts is published by Ecma as /ECMA-376 
Office Open XML File Formats --- 2nd edition/ (December 2008); they can 
be downloaded from their web site.^[17] 



The ISO standardization of Office Open XML was controversial and 
embittered,^[18] 
 
with much discussion both about the specification and about the 
standardization process.^[19] 
 According to 
/InfoWorld /:


   OOXML was opposed by many on grounds it was unneeded, as software
   makers could use OpenDocument Format
    (ODF), a less
   complicated office software format that was already an international
   standard.^[18]
   


   --- InfoWorld

The same /InfoWorld / article 
reported that IBM  (which supports the 
ODF  format) threatened to leave 
standards bodies that it said allow dominant corporations like Microsoft 
to wield undue influence. The article further says that Microsoft was 
accused of co-opting the standardization process by leaning on countries 
to ensure that it got enough votes at the ISO for Office Open XML to 
pass; although it does not specify exactly who accused Microsoft.^[18] 
 



Richard Stallman  of the 
Free Software Foundation 
 has stated that 
"Microsoft offers a gratis patent license for OOXML on terms which do 
not allow free  
implementations."^[20] 



---

Please validate your knowledge pool before labelling others as quote 
"pushing your vendor-locked ODF crap here please." unquote.


Have a good day

Andrew Brown

On 31/07/2013 04:29 AM, Urmas wrote:

"Andrew Brown":

So the open document standards were
born and ratified and accpeted by the majority of the world that counts.

Microsoft is using an open standard format called OpenXML. Stop 
pushing your vendor-locked ODF crap here please.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer

[Andrew Brown]

HI Kracked_P_P

As to my statement, here is a screenshot of the Windows version of LO 
4.0.4.3. indicating the option to check "Use LiberOffice dialogues" 
under "General". I'll look under my Linux (dual boot) to see what you 
are referring to. You should see these screenshot, but it will be 
stripped when forwarded onto the global mail.




Nothing under the "Print"  section



Regards

On 30/07/2013 04:26 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


Last time I checked, Windows version did not have the --- "Use 
LibreOffice dialogs" in the "Print dialogs" section.


I do not think the Print dialogs would be, or should be, listed under 
open/save dialogs section.  That would not make sense.   Are you 
saying the "print dialogs" check box is actually listed in that 
section of the "General" dialog box?


Well, I have not installed 4.1 yet, but the "Print dialogs" option was 
shown on the DEB 64-bit version [Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 installed] and 
not on the Windows version [Win7 professional and home premium installed]


When I was having all my issues with my printer[s] not duplexing 
correctly, it seemed that most of the people who tried to help were 
Windows users.  None of the even suggested the "print dialog" 
check/uncheck option.  After a few weeks, I just started experimenting 
and found that checking the "print dialogs" option would make the 
Epson Artisan 810 printer duplex correctly.  The HP Laserjet 2300dn 
duplexing worked either way.  Now that I have a Cannon MG6220 to 
replace the Epson, I have not unchecked that box to see if the 
duplexing still worked.




On 07/30/2013 03:05 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:

Hi Kracked_P_P

One correction, your last statement, the option to check "Use 
LiberOffice dialogues" is available for Windows users under the same 
"Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General". In this part of the 
"General" settings it's under the heading "Open/Save dialogues".


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 30/07/2013 02:11 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit 
LibO-4.1. is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue 
is trying to print specific pages within a Writer document: the 
print dialog box does not allow editing the specific pages text 
box. In order to make this work - i.e. to select the pages I wanted 
- I closed LibO4.1. and re-opened it, then it worked.


Anybody else experienced this?

I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 
(password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned 
here) which don't really inspire confidence as these are features 
that have been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all sure 
why they don't work as expected with the 4.1 release.


Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to 
roll back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point.


Cheers



I do not use Mint due to printer issues.  The biggest one wasthatit 
would not recognizeor even find it on my network my main network 
color printer that Ubuntu has not problems finding/using. But it 
would see it via a USB cable.  I had other printer/driver issues for 
it to print "properly" on the other printers on my network.


You are running 32-bit Mint 14?  Mate or Cinnamon desktop?
You removed the previously installed version of LO, correct?

Did you have any problems with 4.0.4 printing page selections?

In Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General
have you checked "Use LibreOffice dialogs" in the "Print dialogs" 
section?


Check it if not.  If already checked [which I used for Ubuntu 
12.04LTS] then un-check it.  See if that changes anything. This 
option does not show up with the Windows users, so they would not 
know this.  I had to check it to get one of my printers to duplex 
properly.  I am told others need to have it unchecked for their 
printer[s].













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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Tom

Interesting post. Agree, sometimes these software wars becomes irksome, 
as my late mother and father used to say and raised us with this motto 
"how do you know you don't like it if you have not tried it". This was 
from our young years with foodstuffs that traditionally many young 
children don't / have never tried, up to the real things in life. But I 
am in a similiar vein in what MS charge for their O/S and Office suites 
when they are riddled with known and unknown bugs.


At least I have always tried to keep an open mind, and thankfully was 
raised on other O/S's (not necessarily desktop/workstation friendly) and 
systems pre-dating MS. I cut my teeth on IBM VAX, Pick, LISP, FORTRAN, 
COBOL, AT&T and SCO Unix, CP/M, BASIC and Xerox GEM, before the 
adventure into IBM and MS systems with the very first and crude DOS, and 
then Apple O/S starting some 36 years ago.


I can with experience say I have tried them all, and why my entire 
business and home office is OSS and FOSS, even to desktop. I give my 
staff the choice of MS or FOSS, thankfully they all eventually migrate 
to FOSS, which allows me to plow the monies recovered from ongoing and 
unnecessary licensing fees into better, faster and more up to date 
hardware. Even to the level of my servers.


To end off, the major difference I have between MS software and FOSS, 
and you covered briefly in your reply, is that when one discovers a bug, 
or has a problem, one can get a solution or have it fixed promptly 
without waiting for a major release or service pack, unlike proprietory 
and closed code. This is the same for malware, it takes so long for the 
commercial software to produce a fix and prevention compared to it 
almost being a non-entity in FOSS.


I would be intrigued and grateful, if you could email me privately, your 
tweaks you do for the virtual memory slowdown of it's fragmentation (by 
the way MS refers to it as the pagefile). And that's another feather in 
FOSS's cap, one never has fragmentation or needs to defragment it, 
unlike MS. I might know or remember them, but it's not coming to memory 
as I type this.


Regards

On 30/07/2013 03:27 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think disdain is possibly closer than hatred.  I think bioth are quite far 
away from the reality though.  I think it's simply that people would rather 
develop tools that are more robust and less susceptible   to malware and 
slow-downs.


I think once you start using OpenSource tools you begin to realise that MS seem to have 
deliberately built-in vulnerabilities and their slow-downs.  FOSS doesn't seem to suffer 
anything like as much, although a bit of "system rot" is inevitable in almost 
any system.

I'm just installing Win7 on a handfull of machines and am able to make a couple of tweaks 
that prevent their "Virtual Memory" from getting so heavily fragmented.  In 
previous versions of their OS i have found it significantly reduces the slow-downs if you can 
do this early on.  On Win7 it takes an extra couple of clicks but it's still really easy.  I 
always wonder why the default is to set it to fragment as quickly as possible.  It's only 
with Win7 that their de-fragger tool can defrag system files such as the Virtual Memory (err 
that is Swap to Gnu&Linux geeks lol).

Regards from
Tom :)








From: Virgil Arrington 
To: Amit Choudhary ; 
users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 20:30
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3


I certainly hope the primary motive for FOSS such as LO is not a disdain for
MS. I personally don't care how much money MS makes. I hope the LO
developers are motivated by a desire to produce a great product that can be
used worldwide. Hatred usually doesn't provide a very effective motive for
productive action.

Virgil

-Original Message-
From: Amit Choudhary
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:47 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Amit Choudhary
 wrote:



On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Brown  wrote:

Hi Amit

I understand where you are coming from, and the good news is, in your
favour, that MS in both it's O/S and office suite are losing market share
in a big way. Here's an article from Ubuntu founder and my countryman
Mark Shuttelworth on his take on MS and Ubuntu. I like his statement that
the no.1 bug in Linux has now been

  fixed/closed, in that MS no longer

dominates majority market share.


But the numbers don't lie. I checked MS revenues and profits on
finance.yahoo.com and it doesn't look like MS is losing market share. MS
losing share might be an illusion.


Period Ending   Jun 30, 2012
Jun 30, 2011   Jun 30, 2010

Net Income Applicable To Common Shares $16,978,000   $23,150,000
   $18,760,000  (All numbers in thousands)

Regards,
Amit

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Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World

[Andrew Brown]

Hi Tanstaafl

Not what I am referring to, I think you have misunderstood my content. 
Agreed and I know the headers (or should I say mail body code) are 
always present with the emails. What I am referring to is that the 
header information is hidden by default, but one can reveal this hidden 
info to trace where the mail has come from or going to. It's used by 
security officers like myself and online Service Providers to trace 
emails, spam, malicious content etc.


if you ever launch a complaint to your SP over spam mail received, they 
ask you to send a copy of the email with "All" headers revealed. In 
Thunderbird this is a relatively easy thing to do, just two clicks, as I 
explained to Tom in my email. In MS Outlook a bit more involved "Email 
opened in new window - expand Tags toolbar lower right (you will also 
see "Follow up" and "Mark as unread" option there) - Options - Internet 
headers.


What I was simply replying to Tom, was how to reveal the headers to see 
if the email was spam. And no if your headers are in their normal 
state/setting, hidden by default, they are never revealed in any emails 
sent, that is the body text of the sender. Only if you leave the option 
to reveal the headers on, will the sent emails show all of the code and 
make the email look like garbage.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 30/07/2013 12:48 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2013-07-30 5:16 AM, Andrew Brown  wrote:

Remember to return your headers to "normal" otherwise every subsequent
email will be sent out with all headers exposed in the email, generally
loking like garbage.


Eh? All headers are *always* present in *all* emails *everyone* sends.

I think you're talking about the fact that inline replies/forwards 
will show all of these headers in the QUOTED text (which is true), and 
since most people blindly top-post, quoting the entire message they 
are replying to/forwarding without snipping/trimming and generally 
never even consider the implications of this, then yes, the quoted 
text in *those* people's messages will end up looking like 'garbage'...





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