Re: [libreoffice-users] Pasting Foreign Language

2013-12-26 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Jerry,

Jerry Rémy schrieb:

Dear LibreOffice Team,

I would like to receive a liberating solution from the team related
to non-English languages. As I pasted an external source written in
French into Libre Office I get an unusual result:


Tu Útais en ╔den, le jardin de Dieu; Tu Útais couvert de toute espÞce
de pierres prÚcieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De
chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'Úmeraude,
et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes fl¹tes Útaient Ó ton service, PrÚparÚs
pour le jour o¨ tu fus crÚÚ.

Original Text:


Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce
de pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De
chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude,
et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés
pour le jour où tu fus créé.



As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with
capitalized letters or some other symbol. Please help! Thank you for
your prompt understanding and response to the matter at hand.



This kind of errors are typical for a wrong encoding. Please tell us 
into which part of LibreOffice you try to paste the text. The ways to 
correct the encoding are different.


Which operating system do you use? Which application has generated the text?

Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] spell checker

2013-12-26 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Try this and let us know what happens.

Open one of the ones it doesn't work for and go to

Tools - Options - Language Settings - Writing Aids

and have a look in the top 2 boxes to make sure the settings look
sensible,  The main one is top of the top box, make sure the spell
checker is ticked.

It might be interesting to compare what is different about the ones
the spell-checker does work for,  Not just in the settings but also is
it certain formats, such as maybe some MS Word documents don't work
but it seems like native ODF ones do?
Regards from
Tom :)






On 26 December 2013 00:12, Amanda Sloan amanda.sl...@vodafone.co.nz wrote:

 Hello

 I have Windows 8 and Libre office 4.1.  I am needing the spellchecker to
 work.  It does on some things and not on others.

 Can you help please, because otherwise its excellent.

 Thanks
 --
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Pasting Foreign Language

2013-12-26 Thread Urmas

Jerry Rémy:

As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with capitalized 
letters or some other symbol.


It can happen when you paste the text from a badly made PDF file; in that 
case there's no easy solution except search-and-replace. 




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cooperation in the implementation of LibreOffice

2013-12-26 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
No worries!  It was good to hear from you and also good to get a
chuckle on a day which is otherwise quite depressing or annoying for a
lot of people.  Plus, i had been taking the initial post wy too
seriously before you pointed out 'the obvious'.

Then, to cheer myself up further, i looked for BolgenOS.  Apparently
the story has moved on.

It started years ago with a Russian school-kid forking Ubuntu and
replacing all the logos with his own one, allegedly including for 3rd
party apps such as Firefox (although i can't quite believe that bit
and you'll see why).  When he presented it to his IT Tutor as all his
own work (which i also have trouble believing but lets not mess-up
the story!) the tutor really believed the kid had really knocked
Microsquish for six.  The national news covered the story with a
mini-documentary about how this kid had apparently knocked-up
something that rivalled MS Windows and further exaggerated it that
he'd done it over a couple weeks holiday, or maybe just a weekend!
Then the national school board 'looked into it' and got so excited
about it that they were allegedly keen to roll it out across all
schools across the nation after first test-driving it in a few
districts.

Apparently BolgenOS continues but now admits to being a fork and has
put the relevant logos back.  There are some claims that the community
has reached around 10 million people but having looked at the site i
find that hard to believe.  The main thing is that it seems to still
be supported and has followers.


When my mum went to college she was set an assignment to write a short
ditty for music classes.  Suddenly a short refrain popped into her
head that she couldn't recognise it from anywhere so she wrote it down
quickly and handed it in and got a B + for it.  Later the teacher
played it and my mum was shocked to hear it was Beethoven's 5th, well
maybe not that one as it's the number 1 most easily recognisable piece
and even says it's own name over and over again in the music, but
something along those lines.  My mum went a bit red but none of the
other music students recognised it and neither did the teacher!!!  The
bit i find most amusing is that the music teacher thought Beethoven
(or whoever) was only worthy of a B+.


Obviously a LOT of people were upset about the BolgenOS story but for
me the most upsetting part was that
1.  an IT Tutor had no idea about non-MS OSes.  Even if he/she was a
more generic science teacher i'd have hoped for a little less
ignorance!  That national news put the work into filming a
mini-documentary but failed to do any kind of research into trying to
find similar examples is no surprise.  There ARE a lot of good journos
out there but sensationalism seems more profitable most of the time.
2.  That the school-boards might flee back to MS to avoid the
embarrassment rather than latch onto the stronger OSes that have
better support-structures.


Of course the Russian and other space-programmes are largely built on
unix and unix-based platforms, certainly for their commandcontrol
critical systems.  Amusingly on the space station they occasionally
have to send up someone to fix all the astronaughts/cosmonaughts
laptops and free them from viruses, malware etc.  Apparently at least
once all the laptops went down due to malware.  However none of the
commandcontrol systems have needed as much as a reboot in all the
decades they have been up there.  There was some talk of the laptops
going over to Linux too but i dunno if it ever happened.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 26 December 2013 05:57, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 10:53:28PM +, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I don't think it's good policy to be rude to trolls.  One of the
 things they are aiming for is to make the list seem unfriendly and
 then be able to quote those examples out-of-context.

 As I said at the top of my reply, I seldom reply to FUD but I had time on my 
 hands
 and was bored. Beside, sometimes I just like to declare open season on
 trolls.

  ..snip.

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: [libreoffice-users] help

2013-12-26 Thread Christophe Strobbe
Hi,

Am So, 22.12.2013, 04:49 schrieb tk:


 Christophe Strobbe wrote:
Probably, the only way to make odt2braille accessible is rewriting it
 entirely in C++ in order to embed it into OpenOffice and LibreOffice
 instead of installing it as an extension. So far, no one has offered to
 do this.

 The real issue is that one can not select the writing system from within
 LibO.
 Do that, and ODT2name-your-A11Y-writing-system is instantly irrelevant,and
 thus obsolete.

I don't see the relevance of the writing system to the
accessibility-related limitations of the extensions API. Can you elaborate
on that?

The writing system is typically set at the OS level.

(Setting the language of a document or of part of a document to a
non-Western language is tricky in LibreOffice and OpenOffice, but that was
not what the original question was about.)

Best regards,

Christophe


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Trying to get possible bug info

2013-12-26 Thread Robin
On 25 December 2013 21:25, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi :)
 Sounds like you are looking for advanced debugging information
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport/Debug_Information
 but that is beyond the scope of average users so most people are
 better off just working through the kind of stuff you have already
 been doing and other things from on this page
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport
 (note the link to the advanced page is at the bottom).  Errr, the
 advanced page is beyond me so hopefully you can figure it out or Jay
 or someone can help with it.
 Good luck and regards from
 Tom :)



 Thanks for the info.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Trying to get possible bug info

2013-12-26 Thread Robin
On 25 December 2013 20:39, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Does your spreadsheet have a large number of calculations and referrals
 that periodically take a long time to run?


Thanks for the reply. Spreadsheet is simple but over 4 years old. There is
just a daily entry, calculation of cost of entry, monthly totals. There are
7 sheets covering different periods of time since 2009.


 Also, can you post the spreadsheet to Nabble? Please do not post anything
 proprietary or private.

 I'll consider doing that.

Thanks


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[libreoffice-users] How to Stop Automatic Capitalization?

2013-12-26 Thread Jonathan Levi
Can someone please explain to me how I change LO's insistence on capitalizing 
words following a period, even if I don't want it? (i.e., Yest. evening is 
replaced by Yest. Evening.)

TIA, Jonathan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to Stop Automatic Capitalization?

2013-12-26 Thread John Meyer

On 12/26/2013 7:33 AM, Jonathan Levi wrote:

Can someone please explain to me how I change LO's insistence on capitalizing words following a 
period, even if I don't want it? (i.e., Yest. evening is replaced by Yest. 
Evening.)

TIA, Jonathan

Tools-Autocorrect Options-Options-Uncheck Capitalize first letter of 
every sentence.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to Stop Automatic Capitalization?

2013-12-26 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 26 December 2013 08:45, John Meyer johnme...@pueblocomputing.com wrote:
 On 12/26/2013 7:33 AM, Jonathan Levi wrote:

 Can someone please explain to me how I change LO's insistence on
 capitalizing words following a period, even if I don't want it? (i.e.,
 Yest. evening is replaced by Yest. Evening.)

 TIA, Jonathan

 Tools-Autocorrect Options-Options-Uncheck Capitalize first letter of
 every sentence.

Alternately, Tools-AutoCorrect Options-Exceptions -- and choose
which words/abbreviations should NOT trigger a capital letter on the
next word.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to Stop Automatic Capitalization?

2013-12-26 Thread Gabriel Risterucci
2013/12/26 T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.com

 On 26 December 2013 08:45, John Meyer johnme...@pueblocomputing.com
 wrote:
  On 12/26/2013 7:33 AM, Jonathan Levi wrote:
 
  Can someone please explain to me how I change LO's insistence on
  capitalizing words following a period, even if I don't want it? (i.e.,
  Yest. evening is replaced by Yest. Evening.)
 
  TIA, Jonathan
 
  Tools-Autocorrect Options-Options-Uncheck Capitalize first letter of
  every sentence.

 Alternately, Tools-AutoCorrect Options-Exceptions -- and choose
 which words/abbreviations should NOT trigger a capital letter on the
 next word.


Also, you can Ctrl+Z autocorrect, right after it capitalize the letter.​​
It works for (almost?) all autocorrect (changing -- to ̶, -- to arrows,
etc.)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Platform Support

2013-12-26 Thread julien2412
Hello,

LO on Android is experimental for the moment.
You'll find more information here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_on_Android

Julien



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Trying to get possible bug info

2013-12-26 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
We all get all messages to the list so you can respond to more than 1
person in a single post.  If you are specifically talking to just one
person in 1 paragraph and then another in the next you could use @
signs, for example

@Tom blah, blah

@Jay blah de blah

@Everyone blah


I don't know why we don't do that sort of thing on this mailing list
but i've seen it a lot in other projects.  I gather that gwibber or
twitter or something uses something similar for their main addresses
so it might get confusing for some people.  Maybe that's why i haven't
seen it here much.  Until my recent move to GMail i would only see 1
message at a time so i would reply to each individual one.  It's
taking me a looong while to get used to the much more sophisticated
approach of threaded mailings but its' helped me cut down on traffic
quite a lot!


Since you are running into problems with the old spreadsheet might it
be worth considering
1.  starting a fresh new one and then
2.  copypaste or import by Csv only the data you really need access
to most often and
3.  keeping the old file as an archive to refer to.

I found that when moving from 3.3.x branch to 3.4, and again from
somewhere around 3.4.x to the next ones, sometimes weird little
hitches happened that were smoothed out by starting afresh.  Maybe
it's because so many forks of LibreOffice merged at around that time
because i've not found similar issues with any upgrades since then.
Of course it could have been just my imagination or unfamiliarity with
LibreOffice because i hadn't used it much before the forking.

With Excel i found that spreadsheets over around 5 sheets tended to
become a but unwieldy (people couldn't cope with the tabs disappearing
under the scroll-bar or having the scroll-bar so short) so i would
either break them up (the spreadsheets, not the people) or convert
them to databases depending on which seemed more appropriate and/or
easier.

So there are 2 good(ish) and probably many other good reasons for
breaking up the spreadsheet but doubtless there are many good reasons
to keep all your data together!  So it's just a suggestion that might
well not be possible.
Regards from
Tom :)








On 26 December 2013 14:31, Robin rc.rattusrat...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 25 December 2013 20:39, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Does your spreadsheet have a large number of calculations and referrals
 that periodically take a long time to run?


 Thanks for the reply. Spreadsheet is simple but over 4 years old. There is
 just a daily entry, calculation of cost of entry, monthly totals. There are
 7 sheets covering different periods of time since 2009.


 Also, can you post the spreadsheet to Nabble? Please do not post anything
 proprietary or private.

 I'll consider doing that.

 Thanks


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pasting Foreign Language

2013-12-26 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
His OS is Linux Mint 16  (Debian family, just as Ubuntu is so they use
the same commands fwiw)  but i didn't think to ask about any of the
other things.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 26 December 2013 12:20, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:
 Hi Jerry,

 Jerry Rémy schrieb:

 Dear LibreOffice Team,

 I would like to receive a liberating solution from the team related
 to non-English languages. As I pasted an external source written in
 French into Libre Office I get an unusual result:


 Tu Útais en ╔den, le jardin de Dieu; Tu Útais couvert de toute espÞce
 de pierres prÚcieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De
 chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'Úmeraude,
 et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes fl¹tes Útaient Ó ton service, PrÚparÚs
 pour le jour o¨ tu fus crÚÚ.

 Original Text:


 Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce
 de pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De
 chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude,
 et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés
 pour le jour où tu fus créé.



 As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with
 capitalized letters or some other symbol. Please help! Thank you for
 your prompt understanding and response to the matter at hand.


 This kind of errors are typical for a wrong encoding. Please tell us into
 which part of LibreOffice you try to paste the text. The ways to correct the
 encoding are different.

 Which operating system do you use? Which application has generated the text?

 Kind regards
 Regina


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pasting Foreign Language

2013-12-26 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
From a quick off-list chat it seems the fault is some weird clash with
the 3rd party application that is being copied from.  Apparently if
the text is first pasted into GEdit or some other intermediary app
(such as email client) and then pasted into LibreOffice it all works
fine.  So i would hazard a guess that there is some weird formatting
marks or tags involved.

So, to dodge needing another 3rd party app and to get it down to a
single step maybe try
Ctrl Shift v
rather than just
Ctrl v
to paste and then select paste as unformatted text.  The shift key
makes the paste into Paste Special which is prolly in the menus
somewhere but it's usually easier to use the keyboard combination.
Actually a LOT of times when i paste into LibreOffice i use the
unformatted text option, particularly when copying from documents in
MS formats because otherwise all sorts of weird nasties seem to come
along for the ride.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 26 December 2013 06:09, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
 On 12/25/2013 06:37 PM, Jerry Rémy wrote:

 Dear LibreOffice Team,

  I would like to receive a liberating solution from the team
 related to non-English languages. As I pasted an external source written in
 French into Libre Office I get an unusual result:


 Tu Útais en ╔den, le jardin de Dieu; Tu Útais couvert de toute
 espÞce de pierres prÚcieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant,
 De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle,
 d'Úmeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes fl¹tes Útaient Ó ton
 service, PrÚparÚs pour le jour o¨ tu fus crÚÚ.

 Original Text:


 Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce de
 pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe,
 d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude, et d'or; Tes
 tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés pour le jour où tu
 fus créé.



 As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with capitalized
 letters or some other symbol. Please help! Thank you for your prompt
 understanding and response to the matter at hand.

 I just took the original text that you posted above and pasted it into
 LibreOffice. It came up the first time in typewriter font, with all the
 accents.
 Then I highlighted that and set the font to Times New Roman, and it came up
 in TNR, with all the accents.

 I suspect that you are not using a font that has the accented characters in
 it. Try changing the font. Or see if you can download the Microsoft TrueType
 fonts--
 I'm pretty sure they have all the common accents available. This was copied
 back from LO, when it used the typewriter font.


 Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce de
 pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe,
 d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle,

  d'émeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service,
 Préparés pour le jour où tu fus créé.

 And this was copied back after I turned it into Times New Roman:


 Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce de
 pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe,
 d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude, et d'or; Tes
 tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés pour le jour où tu
 fus créé.


 I don't know if the example will survive email, but it is in Times New Roman
 here, in my Thunderbird email ready to send.

 --doug



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cooperation in the implementation of LibreOffice

2013-12-26 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:11:30PM +, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 No worries!  It was good to hear from you and also good to get a
 chuckle on a day which is otherwise quite depressing or annoying for a
 lot of people.  Plus, i had been taking the initial post wy too
 seriously before you pointed out 'the obvious'.

No problem. Actually, I like to see stuff like this occasionally. It
breaks up the monotony.

   ...snip..
 
 
 Obviously a LOT of people were upset about the BolgenOS story but for
 me the most upsetting part was that
 1.  an IT Tutor had no idea about non-MS OSes.  Even if he/she was a
 more generic science teacher i'd have hoped for a little less
 ignorance!  

That's common in the school systems. There's a story circulating about a
principal who reamed some kid for using linux, telling him that that's a
hacker's OS. Yeah, it makes me livid too.

   ...snip...

Take care.

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[libreoffice-users] rounding problem with Base

2013-12-26 Thread Ivan Sergio Borgonovo
I've a rounding or maybe display format problem with base.

I'm making computations with NUMERIC(30, 2)

I've a query (let's name it query1) that do some computation on numeric
columns something like:

SELECT
SUM(c1 * c2 / c3) as s1
, SUM(c4 * c5 / c6) as s2
  FROM table1
  GROUP BY c0;

This query actually returns several rows that have the precision I need.

Then I've  query as:

SELECT SUM(s1 * s1) as ss1 from query1;

SELECT SUM(s2) as ss2 from query1;

And they return result in scientific notation with just 2 decimal
visible 6,23E+015

When I try to do further computations with ss1 and ss2 I get 0 with NO
decimal digits.

When I import query1 in localc and do the sum and squaring and
further computation there I can get the precision I need.

Thanks

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[libreoffice-users] LO Bug report

2013-12-26 Thread Tim Lloyd

Hi All,

I came across this one on the bugzilla. I can confirm what David 
reports. I opened the doc in word and I could see the contents (that is, 
an index). Open in LO (portable or 4.1.4.2 under Fedora) and you can 
only see the first 2 lines.


I went back to word, saved the docx as .doc to see whether that made a 
difference in LO. Nope.


Any ideas? I am sure I have seen instances before of indexes 
disappearing when transferred from word to LO. I notice his doc only 
shows the index even when viewed in word - assuming that is intentional.


Cheers

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73002



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Re: [libreoffice-users] rounding problem with Base

2013-12-26 Thread Ivan Sergio Borgonovo
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 21:41:48 +0100
Ivan Sergio Borgonovo m...@webthatworks.it wrote:

 I've a rounding or maybe display format problem with base.
 
 I'm making computations with NUMERIC(30, 2)
 
 I've a query (let's name it query1) that do some computation on
 numeric columns something like:
 
 SELECT
 SUM(c1 * c2 / c3) as s1
 , SUM(c4 * c5 / c6) as s2
   FROM table1
   GROUP BY c0;
 
 This query actually returns several rows that have the precision I
 need.
 
 Then I've  query as:
 
 SELECT SUM(s1 * s1) as ss1 from query1;
 
 SELECT SUM(s2) as ss2 from query1;
 
 And they return result in scientific notation with just 2 decimal
 visible 6,23E+015
 
 When I try to do further computations with ss1 and ss2 I get 0 with NO
 decimal digits.
 
 When I import query1 in localc and do the sum and squaring and
 further computation there I can get the precision I need.

I've been playing around with column definition, increasing decimal
point in numerics and nothing changed.
I couldn't see the number of decimals increase in any step of my
computation.

It seems related to:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/rounding-off-number-results-in-Base-td4056773.html

that's pretty an old problem and I couldn't find any workaround.

This looks pretty critical

I'm running:
Version: 4.1.4.2
Build ID: 410m0(Build:2)
in sid



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