Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Enforcing Calc sheet protection

2015-04-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Säger  [2015-04-15 17:40 +0200]:
> There is a macro under "LibreOffice Macros">Tools>Misc>ProtectSheets
> which can be used together with Tools>Customize>Events>"Save Document"

Oh, I didn't even know about all these macros. I'll investigate!
Thanks.

Unfortunately, ProtectSheets doesn't seem to work on an existing
document (while it works fine on a new document). If I assign it to
the "Save Document" event, then I get an error about a missing
"property or method" Count on the line

  For i = 0 To oDocSheets.Count-1

Do you have any idea what could be going on here? While I can read
this language, I have absolutely no idea about it. When I set
a break point on the macro, it's being ignored unless I run the
macro directly. And then, the error is a different one, it seems,
namely that

  StarDesktop.CurrentFrame.Controller.Model.Sheets

5 lines above is "out of scope" and (consequently) has no property
or method "Sheets".

> A database with an input form would save you a lot of trouble, but
> this would require that you forget about spreadsheets and accept
> a more professional approach.

Oh, I am well aware that spreadsheets are hackery, but the use cases
I have (mainly budgeting in non-profits) require a high degree of
flexibility. I am not aware of any database that would be suitable
for these tasks, and creating one would require *way* more time than
scrambling along, especially since the structure of the budget (e.g.
for DebConf taking place in a different country every year) varies
considerably every year. Sure thing, I want to try to normalise this
a bit and then maybe the time for a database approach has come, but
for now, spreadsheets with locked cells are as good as it gets.

Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Editing Calc styles: returning to a default

2015-04-15 Thread martin f krafft
Hi Andreas, thanks for taking your time to respond.

also sprach Andreas Säger  [2015-04-15 17:44 +0200]:
> Not sure if I understand what you're after. The [Standard] button
> on the style editor dialog resets all attributes to the attribute
> values of the parent style.

This is better than recreating the style, so thank you for the hint.

I guess what I am really after is some sort of text-file export or
a UI allowing me to individually add and remove attributes from
a style. I imagine some tree arrangement and attributes, such as
"underline", and then I can select whether this attribute

  - is set to on   (forces underlining)
  - is set to off  (forces no underlining)
  - is not set (inherits underlining from other formatting/styles)

While this does not exist, I can make do with your solution.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc style management

2015-04-15 Thread toki kantoor


On April 15, 2015 5:44:26 AM PDT, martin f krafft wrote:

>Currently, we have 6 styles to represent all combinations, and after
>formatting the entire column A as "dates-plain" and column B as
>"percentages-plain", we need to format A1 as "dates-header", B1 as
>"percentages-header", A20 as "dates-total", and B20 as
>"percentages-total". If ever column A or B needed reformatting (e.g.
>because rows were pasted wrongly), then the manual overwriting of
>the cells in rows 1, 20 and between would need to be redone.
>
>Is there a better way to approach this? 

Maybe.

Is this semantic markup, or presentation markup, or just sommer markup?

>Can styles be somehow combined, such that cell A1 would simultaneously be a 
>"header" and
a "date" cell, given that the two styles are perpendicular and don't really 
affect each other?

What is the difference in the presentation markup between header and date?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice Writer] Table with alternative row color

2015-04-15 Thread toki kantoor


On April 15, 2015 5:10:03 AM PDT, Rafnews  wrote:

>I'm looking for a simple and automatic way how to tell to my tables in
>a writer document, to be formatted with alternative rows color
>for example even rows will be blue in the background and odd rows will 
>have a light blue as background color.

Try the Color2Rows extension, available at 
http://extensions/openoffice.org/en/project/color2rows.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Test Message

2015-04-15 Thread James Knott
On 04/14/2015 05:52 PM, James E. Lang wrote:
> Please disregard this message.

Will do.  ;-)


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc style management

2015-04-15 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 15.04.2015 um 19:28 schrieb Tom Davies:
> Hi :)
> Have you tried a dedicated spreadsheet program such as Gnumeric?  It might
> be worth a try, just for yourself at first.
> 
> It probably wont solve this specific problem but a dedicated tool sometimes
> trumps something that is combined with many other tools.  A "swiss army
> knife" is brilliant but a carving knife is better for some things sometimes
> and a proper screwdriver is better at others sometimes.
> 
> http://www.gnumeric.org/
> 
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> 


Yes, I did. Did you too?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc style management

2015-04-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Have you tried a dedicated spreadsheet program such as Gnumeric?  It might
be worth a try, just for yourself at first.

It probably wont solve this specific problem but a dedicated tool sometimes
trumps something that is combined with many other tools.  A "swiss army
knife" is brilliant but a carving knife is better for some things sometimes
and a proper screwdriver is better at others sometimes.

http://www.gnumeric.org/

Regards from
Tom :)



On 15 April 2015 at 16:56, Andreas Säger  wrote:

> Am 15.04.2015 um 14:44 schrieb martin f krafft:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > we're working with pretty complex spreadsheets in a project and I've
> > been pushing for the strict adherence to styles (rather than direct
> > formatting). But I am approaching levels of complexity that make it
> > really hard for everyone, and I would love to hear some advice on
> > what I am doing wrong or how our approach could be improved.
> >
>
> Don't be too picky. Concentrate on the cells that need constant editing.
> There is nothing wrong when you apply some hard attributes to fixed
> (protected) content.
>
> > Say you have a simple table with row 1 being a "header" row, row 20
> > a "results" row, and "plain" rows between, column A holding "dates"
> > and column B "percentages".
> >
>
> Blending data, appearance and calculation is the major weak point of all
> spreadsheet tools. Spreadsheets are quick and dirty tools. Quick and
> dirty tools are expert tools and never "fool proof" by any means. All
> the meticulousness invested by millions of "Excel experts" is a waste of
> time. A single copy and paste or the unforeseen error of an untrained
> user may override everything.
>
> > Currently, we have 6 styles to represent all combinations, and after
> > formatting the entire column A as "dates-plain" and column B as
> > "percentages-plain", we need to format A1 as "dates-header", B1 as
> > "percentages-header", A20 as "dates-total", and B20 as
> > "percentages-total". If ever column A or B needed reformatting (e.g.
> > because rows were pasted wrongly), then the manual overwriting of
> > the cells in rows 1, 20 and between would need to be redone.
> >
> > Is there a better way to approach this? Can styles be somehow
> > combined, such that cell A1 would simultaneously be a "header" and
> > a "date" cell, given that the two styles are perpendicular and
> > don't really affect each other?
> >
>
> ... and if you include borders, you have percentages-plain-left,
> percentages-plain-upper. percentages-plain-lower, percentages-plain-right
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles and formatting

2015-04-15 Thread Thomas Blasejewicz

On 2015/04/15 23:14, Brian Barker wrote:

At 19:39 15/04/2015 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
The other day I bought a new computer running Windows 8.1 and 
installed LibreOffice 4.4.2.2. I BELIEVE it did work as usual. Today 
I started a new job/document and wanted to apply my custom style. 
However, the "style and formatting" menu DOES NOT appear any more.


See the release notes for version 4.4, 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4#Sidebar_changes :
'Also, the Sidebar now combines the functionalities of the old 
"Gallery" and "Styles & Formatting" floating panels, removing a lot of 
UI redundancy.'


Click on the Styles and Formatting button in the sidebar (at the right 
of the window) or on the menu button at the top of the sidebar menu 
and select Styles and Formatting.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker



Thank you.
After playing around with it a bit I found, that if you "undock" that thing,
F11 will display the menu again.

Quite a difficult birth.
Thomas

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[libreoffice-users] Re: styles and formatting

2015-04-15 Thread Piet van Oostrum
Andreas Sa"ger wrote:

 > The stylist is accessible through the side bar only. Don't ask me why.
 > 

On Mac OS X there still is Format -> Styles and Formatting (Cmd-T).
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc style management

2015-04-15 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 15.04.2015 um 14:44 schrieb martin f krafft:
> Dear all,
> 
> we're working with pretty complex spreadsheets in a project and I've
> been pushing for the strict adherence to styles (rather than direct
> formatting). But I am approaching levels of complexity that make it
> really hard for everyone, and I would love to hear some advice on
> what I am doing wrong or how our approach could be improved.
> 

Don't be too picky. Concentrate on the cells that need constant editing.
There is nothing wrong when you apply some hard attributes to fixed
(protected) content.

> Say you have a simple table with row 1 being a "header" row, row 20
> a "results" row, and "plain" rows between, column A holding "dates"
> and column B "percentages".
> 

Blending data, appearance and calculation is the major weak point of all
spreadsheet tools. Spreadsheets are quick and dirty tools. Quick and
dirty tools are expert tools and never "fool proof" by any means. All
the meticulousness invested by millions of "Excel experts" is a waste of
time. A single copy and paste or the unforeseen error of an untrained
user may override everything.

> Currently, we have 6 styles to represent all combinations, and after
> formatting the entire column A as "dates-plain" and column B as
> "percentages-plain", we need to format A1 as "dates-header", B1 as
> "percentages-header", A20 as "dates-total", and B20 as
> "percentages-total". If ever column A or B needed reformatting (e.g.
> because rows were pasted wrongly), then the manual overwriting of
> the cells in rows 1, 20 and between would need to be redone.
> 
> Is there a better way to approach this? Can styles be somehow
> combined, such that cell A1 would simultaneously be a "header" and
> a "date" cell, given that the two styles are perpendicular and
> don't really affect each other?
> 

... and if you include borders, you have percentages-plain-left,
percentages-plain-upper. percentages-plain-lower, percentages-plain-right



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Enforcing Calc sheet protection

2015-04-15 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 15.04.2015 um 14:32 schrieb martin f krafft:
> Dear all,
> 
> we've been pretty strict about locking our Calc sheets, turning cell
> protection on by default and selectively unlocking those cells that
> are meant to be edited.
> 
> Every now and then, some protected cells have to be changed.
> Currently, the mode of operation is to unlock the sheet, edit, and
> then lock the sheet again, before saving.
> 
> Unfortunately, that second-to-last step is often forgotten,
> resulting in us committing a version of a document with unlocked
> sheets.
> 
> Is there a better way to approach this? Is there maybe a trick how
> to automatically protect all sheets on save, or to just temporarily
> unlock them?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Hi,

There is a macro under "LibreOffice Macros">Tools>Misc>ProtectSheets
which can be used together with Tools>Customize>Events>"Save Document"

A database with an input form would save you a lot of trouble, but this
would require that you forget about spreadsheets and accept a more
professional approach.

Greetings,
Andreas


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Editing Calc styles: returning to a default

2015-04-15 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 15.04.2015 um 14:34 schrieb martin f krafft:
> Dear list,
> 
> we work with styles extensively. Occasionally, someone will make
> a mistake and e.g. apply "bold face" to a style. The problem is that
> it seems Calc irrevocably remembers this. We can now deselect "bold
> face", but then the style will incorporate "not bold", whereas
> before it simply made no statement about "bold face" and hence could
> be combined with direct formatting.
> 
> Is there a way to return a style to defaults, or put differently,
> can a style definition be reduced somehow to just the attributes
> that I want to control?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Hi,

Not sure if I understand what you're after. The [Standard] button on the
style editor dialog resets all attributes to the attribute values of the
parent style.

Hope this helps,
Andreas


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[libreoffice-users] Re: [LibreOffice Writer] Table with alternative row color

2015-04-15 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 15.04.2015 um 14:10 schrieb Rafnews:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for a simple and automatic way how to tell to my tables in a
> writer document, to be formatted with alternative rows color
> for example even rows will be blue in the background and odd rows will
> have a light blue as background color.
> 
> I did not find any easy way to do it.
> Is there someone who has already solved this topic ?
> thx


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[libreoffice-users] Re: styles and formatting

2015-04-15 Thread ger
Am 15.04.2015 um 12:39 schrieb Thomas Blasejewicz:
> Good evening
> The other day I bought a new computer running Windows 8.1 and installed
> LibreOffice 4.4.2.2
> I BELIEVE it did work as usual.
> Today I started a new job/document and wanted to apply my custom style.
> 
> However, the "style and formatting" menu DOES NOT appear any more.
> Neither F11, clicking on "Format > style and formatting" nor clicking
> the little icon at the left top of the page works.
> (customize -> reset F11 did not help either)
> 
> What has happened here and is there a way to get the menu back?
> Thank you.
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 

Hi Thomas,

The stylist is accessible through the side bar only. Don't ask me why.

Greetings,
Andreas



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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles and formatting

2015-04-15 Thread Brian Barker

At 19:39 15/04/2015 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
The other day I bought a new computer running Windows 8.1 and 
installed LibreOffice 4.4.2.2. I BELIEVE it did work as usual. Today 
I started a new job/document and wanted to apply my custom style. 
However, the "style and formatting" menu DOES NOT appear any more.


See the release notes for version 4.4, 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4#Sidebar_changes :
'Also, the Sidebar now combines the functionalities of the old 
"Gallery" and "Styles & Formatting" floating panels, removing a lot 
of UI redundancy.'


Click on the Styles and Formatting button in the sidebar (at the 
right of the window) or on the menu button at the top of the sidebar 
menu and select Styles and Formatting.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Editing Calc styles: returning to a default

2015-04-15 Thread martin f krafft
Dear list,

we work with styles extensively. Occasionally, someone will make
a mistake and e.g. apply "bold face" to a style. The problem is that
it seems Calc irrevocably remembers this. We can now deselect "bold
face", but then the style will incorporate "not bold", whereas
before it simply made no statement about "bold face" and hence could
be combined with direct formatting.

Is there a way to return a style to defaults, or put differently,
can a style definition be reduced somehow to just the attributes
that I want to control?

Thanks,

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[libreoffice-users] Calc style management

2015-04-15 Thread martin f krafft
Dear all,

we're working with pretty complex spreadsheets in a project and I've
been pushing for the strict adherence to styles (rather than direct
formatting). But I am approaching levels of complexity that make it
really hard for everyone, and I would love to hear some advice on
what I am doing wrong or how our approach could be improved.

Say you have a simple table with row 1 being a "header" row, row 20
a "results" row, and "plain" rows between, column A holding "dates"
and column B "percentages".

Currently, we have 6 styles to represent all combinations, and after
formatting the entire column A as "dates-plain" and column B as
"percentages-plain", we need to format A1 as "dates-header", B1 as
"percentages-header", A20 as "dates-total", and B20 as
"percentages-total". If ever column A or B needed reformatting (e.g.
because rows were pasted wrongly), then the manual overwriting of
the cells in rows 1, 20 and between would need to be redone.

Is there a better way to approach this? Can styles be somehow
combined, such that cell A1 would simultaneously be a "header" and
a "date" cell, given that the two styles are perpendicular and
don't really affect each other?

Thanks for any insights!

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[libreoffice-users] Enforcing Calc sheet protection

2015-04-15 Thread martin f krafft
Dear all,

we've been pretty strict about locking our Calc sheets, turning cell
protection on by default and selectively unlocking those cells that
are meant to be edited.

Every now and then, some protected cells have to be changed.
Currently, the mode of operation is to unlock the sheet, edit, and
then lock the sheet again, before saving.

Unfortunately, that second-to-last step is often forgotten,
resulting in us committing a version of a document with unlocked
sheets.

Is there a better way to approach this? Is there maybe a trick how
to automatically protect all sheets on save, or to just temporarily
unlock them?

Thanks,

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[libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice Writer] Table with alternative row color

2015-04-15 Thread Rafnews

Hi,

I'm looking for a simple and automatic way how to tell to my tables in a 
writer document, to be formatted with alternative rows color
for example even rows will be blue in the background and odd rows will 
have a light blue as background color.


I did not find any easy way to do it.
Is there someone who has already solved this topic ?
thx
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[libreoffice-users] styles and formatting

2015-04-15 Thread Thomas Blasejewicz
Good evening
The other day I bought a new computer running Windows 8.1 and installed
LibreOffice 4.4.2.2
I BELIEVE it did work as usual.
Today I started a new job/document and wanted to apply my custom style.

However, the "style and formatting" menu DOES NOT appear any more.
Neither F11, clicking on "Format > style and formatting" nor clicking
the little icon at the left top of the page works.
(customize -> reset F11 did not help either)

What has happened here and is there a way to get the menu back?
Thank you.
Thomas




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Issues with Libre fresh version 4.4.2

2015-04-15 Thread Tim Lloyd

Hi,

it seems this problem is not new. Have a look at this link

http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/3281/installation-results-in-errors-1335-the-cabinet-file-libreoffice1cab-required-for-this-installation-is-corrupt-and-cannot-be-used-and-2350/

Cheers

On 15/04/15 16:30, Reema Gupta wrote:

Hi,

I have been trying to download version 4.4.2, however, I am repeatedly
getting an error message which says* " Error 1335: The cabinet file
'libreoffice.1.cab' is corrupt and cannot be used. This could indicate a
network error, an error reading from the CD-ROm or a problem with the
package.'*

I have tried to download the package again but everytime I am getting the
same error. Attaching screenshot here for reference. Can you pls advise.

Thanks!


Warm Regards,
Reema




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