[libreoffice-users] Re: Installation version chaos

[Andreas Säger]

Am 17.04.2015 um 06:58 schrieb Tom Cloyd:
> I'm running Kubuntu Linux - latest version, fully updated.
> 
> I just downloaded "LibreOffice_4.4.2_Linux_x86_deb.tar.gz" and its
> associated helpfile. I removed all other *.tar.gz files from my software
> download archive.
> 
> I removed my previous LO installation: sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
> 
> I unpacked each *.tar.gz file and installed it from its respective "DEBS"
> directory: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
> 
> I launched my supposed new LO version.
> 
> As always with a new install, I immediately check "Help > About..." to
> verify the install, and I get this:
> 
> Version: 4.3.5.2
> Build ID: 3a87456aaa6a95c63eea1c1b3201acedf0751bd5
> 
> Since that's the version I started with, prior to this upgrade attempt, I'm
> a bit surprised.
> 
> That little "download available" icon is in the upper right corner of the
> LO window, as well.
> 
> Perhaps there's a problem up in the mothership?
> 
> Tom
> 
> 

Hi Tom,
Open a terminal and launch /opt/LibreOffice4.4./program/soffice
Watch any output on the terminal.

Oh, and don't forget to stop any "quick starter" instance of some
LibreOffice installation, particularly while running an installation. I
use to disable this useless anti-feature alltogether
(menu:Tools>Options>Memory>"Systray Quickstart").

Greetings,
Andreas Säger



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[libreoffice-users] Installation version chaos

[Tom Cloyd]

I'm running Kubuntu Linux - latest version, fully updated.

I just downloaded "LibreOffice_4.4.2_Linux_x86_deb.tar.gz" and its
associated helpfile. I removed all other *.tar.gz files from my software
download archive.

I removed my previous LO installation: sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*

I unpacked each *.tar.gz file and installed it from its respective "DEBS"
directory: sudo dpkg -i *.deb

I launched my supposed new LO version.

As always with a new install, I immediately check "Help > About..." to
verify the install, and I get this:

Version: 4.3.5.2
Build ID: 3a87456aaa6a95c63eea1c1b3201acedf0751bd5

Since that's the version I started with, prior to this upgrade attempt, I'm
a bit surprised.

That little "download available" icon is in the upper right corner of the
LO window, as well.

Perhaps there's a problem up in the mothership?

Tom


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font versus Character Substitution

[toki kantoor]

On April 16, 2015 4:44:11 AM PDT, Gary Collins wote:

>transcriptions from ancient language scripts. 

If those languages are not listed in >Settings >Fonts >CTL, or >Settings >Fonts 
>Western, as appropriate, LibO will not handle them correctly.  It will 
randomly substitute your correct glyph from your correct font, with some 
strange glyph from who knows where.   
(It even does that when writing medieval English using thorn, and The other 
obsolete letters of the English alphabet.)

I think Ancient CJKV work fine, provided you have the appropriate font, _and_ 
the glyphs are in the Unicode Base Plane. (I don't remember if LibO supports 
non base plane glyphs.)
(I don't remember if the mu wang manuscript I was reading in LibO used images, 
or a font.)

I'd suggest filing an rfe for all ancient languages you use, if there is an ISO 
code for them, and also if they aren't yet supported in settings..

You'll need complete locale data for each language. 
I'm assuming that there is an ISO-360 code for the language.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Enforcing Calc sheet protection

[Andreas Säger]

@tom

SHUT UP!!! If you don't have anything to tell.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Enforcing Calc sheet protection

[Andreas Säger]

Am 16.04.2015 um 13:57 schrieb martin f krafft:
> also sprach Andreas Säger  [2015-04-16 13:05 +0200]:
>> Sub protectSheets_onSave(ev)
>> eSh = ev.Source.Sheets.createEnumeration()
>> while eSh.hasMoreElements()
>>  sh = eSh.nextElement()
>>  sh.protect("")
>> wend
>> End Sub
> 
> Also does not work. :(
> 


It DOES work

> http://www.mediafire.com/view/y98whzbjn2t9q8c/protectSheetsOnSave.ods





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Enforcing Calc sheet protection

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Hmm, does it depend on which OS and which version of LO?

It is good to know that it does work on at least 1 system, of course,
because that indicates it might be possible to make it work on others.  I'm
not sure that aspect is clear from Andreas' post but he probably didn't
mean it to be as rude as it might have sounded.  It is just something that
could potentially be helpful.

So, have you already told us which OS and version?  Any chance of letting
us know, maybe again?
Regards from
Tom :)




On 16 April 2015 at 14:14, Andreas Säger  wrote:

> Am 16.04.2015 um 13:57 schrieb martin f krafft:
> > also sprach Andreas Säger  [2015-04-16 13:05
> +0200]:
> >> Sub protectSheets_onSave(ev)
> >> eSh = ev.Source.Sheets.createEnumeration()
> >> while eSh.hasMoreElements()
> >>  sh = eSh.nextElement()
> >>  sh.protect("")
> >> wend
> >> End Sub
> >
> > Also does not work. :(
> >
>
> The above macro works for me no matter where it is stored.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office 4.2.0 as windows service on windows server 2008 R2 Server Issue

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahh, that is an interesting divergence!

With all those spaces in it does it need some escape characters or
speech-marks or anything?  Errr, i guess that's a linuxy issue but does
Windows suffer too?
Regards from
Tom :)


On 16 April 2015 at 14:26, Piet van Oostrum  wrote:

> Anil Wale wrote:
>
>  > Hi Support Team,
>  >
>  >   We are trying to setup Libre Office as windows service on windows
> server 2008 R2 Server, using following entry on regedit, but after this
> service not get started.
>  >
>  > C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 4\program\ soffice.exe -headless
> -nofirststartwizard
> -accept="socket,host=localhost,port=8100;urp;StarOffice.Service"
>  >
>  > Can you please help me to setup LibreOffice_4.2.0 as a windows
> service or please send me steps.
>
> I don't use Windows, so I can't tell for sure, but anyway, LibreOffice
> uses double hyphens: --headless --nofirststartwizard --accept=. Single - is
> OpenOffice Speak. I would also add --nologo myself.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font versus Character Substitution

[CVAlkan]

Gary:

Keep in mind that Languages, Scripts, and Keyboards, although obviously
having some relationship, are fairly independent. I'm still trying to sort
everything out, particularly in Writer (which seems to tie these together in
ways and/or for reasons that I don't understand).

Unfortunately I haven't used Windows for quite some time, and I've been told
that some of these relationships are different in Linux and Windows versions
(particularly detecting which fonts cover which scripts and so forth). So I
can't offer any specific help for your situation.

However - I'm attempting (in spite of significant time constraints) to
gather all I can find in one place, as I'm pretty sure some of the Writer
documentation is incorrect or at least misleading (likely because it hasn't
been touched for many years) so please post back any further discoveries,
observations, or solutions you find ...

Frank



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Drawing arrows in Writer.

[V Stuart Foote]

@Henri,

The group selectors for Draw/Impress "Lines and Arrows" and "Connectors" are
not currently exposed to Writer.  If that piece gets done, then the choice
of exposing it on Writer's Drawing toolbar by default or hiding it is
negligible.

But take your point about exposing by default on the Drawing toolbar for
simplicity of use for those not comfortable with doing toolbar
customization.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Drawing arrows in Writer.

[M Henri Day]

2015-04-16 16:44 GMT+02:00 V Stuart Foote :

> @Henri, *
>
> Comments on the BZ issue  tdf#90651
>   ,
>
> The dialog frame that opens for Line objects remains the preferred way to
> manipulate --all-- Line objects in Writer, but
>  in addition to your suggestion of adding the group button for Lines and
> Arrows, the group button for Connectors should also be made available in
> Writer.
>
> That likely would be done on the the Drawing toolbar, which is exposed from
> Standard toolbar with the "Show Draw Functions" button.  Only question is
> if
> these new buttons would be enabled by default on the Drawing
> toolbar--probably should be.
>
> Stuart
>

​My suggestion, Stuart - I regret that I didn't make it explicit - would be
that the arrow tool be added to the draw function and *enabled by default*.
As Brian points out above, there are several ways to skin this particular
cat, but from my point of view, which is that of a person who helps
retirees with their computer problems and, among other things, attempts to
convince them to use LibreOffice rather than the dear - and unintuitive -
legacy office suite, an alternative which doesn't require too many steps is
preferable. My experience is that users of this type can accept clicking on
the  ​«Show draw functions» icon in the Writer toolbar to bring up the draw
functions toolbar and then click on the arrow icon there to create an arrow
in a Writer document, but were I to suggest following *all* the steps I
outline in the enhancement request or first creating an arrow in Draw or
Impress and then copying and pasting it into a Writer-document, their eyes,
I fear would begin to glaze, and they would inform me that the procedure
was too complicated for them

Henr
​i​

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Drawing arrows in Writer.

[V Stuart Foote]

@Henri, *

Comments on the BZ issue  tdf#90651
  , 

The dialog frame that opens for Line objects remains the preferred way to
manipulate --all-- Line objects in Writer, but
 in addition to your suggestion of adding the group button for Lines and
Arrows, the group button for Connectors should also be made available in
Writer. 

That likely would be done on the the Drawing toolbar, which is exposed from
Standard toolbar with the "Show Draw Functions" button.  Only question is if 
these new buttons would be enabled by default on the Drawing
toolbar--probably should be.

Stuart



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Drawing arrows in Writer.

[Brian Barker]

At 11:49 16/04/2015 +0200, M Henri Day wrote:
The arrow tool in the draw function toolbar in, e g, Draw or Impress 
makes drawing an arrow there a breeze, but the same toolbar in 
Writer (I'm using 4.4.2) seems to lack this particular - and very 
handy - tool. Is there some way to get around this lack and draw 
arrows (other than block arrows) in Writer ?


As has already been suggested, you can insert a line in a text 
document (using the Drawing toolbar) and then format it in many ways 
(Format | Object > | Line... or right-click | Line...), including 
adding arrowheads.


But you can also create whatever you need in a Draw or Impress 
document and easily copy-and-paste it into a text document. The 
resulting arrow can still be manipulated in the text document.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office 4.2.0 as windows service on windows server 2008 R2 Server Issue

[Piet van Oostrum]

Anil Wale wrote:

 > Hi Support Team,
 > 
 >   We are trying to setup Libre Office as windows service on windows server 
 > 2008 R2 Server, using following entry on regedit, but after this service not 
 > get started.
 > 
 > C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 4\program\ soffice.exe -headless 
 > -nofirststartwizard 
 > -accept="socket,host=localhost,port=8100;urp;StarOffice.Service"
 > 
 > Can you please help me to setup LibreOffice_4.2.0 as a windows service 
 > or please send me steps.

I don't use Windows, so I can't tell for sure, but anyway, LibreOffice uses 
double hyphens: --headless --nofirststartwizard --accept=. Single - is 
OpenOffice Speak. I would also add --nologo myself.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office 4.2.0 as windows service on windows server 2008 R2 Server Issue

[Andreas Säger]

Am 16.04.2015 um 14:24 schrieb Anil Wale:
> Hi Support Team,
> 
>   We are trying to setup Libre Office as windows service on windows server 
> 2008 R2 Server, using following entry on regedit, but after this service not 
> get started.
> 
> C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 4\program\ soffice.exe -headless 
> -nofirststartwizard 
> -accept="socket,host=localhost,port=8100;urp;StarOffice.Service"
> 
> Can you please help me to setup LibreOffice_4.2.0 as a windows service or 
> please send me steps.
> 
> Regard's,
> 
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Windows can not even start a simple Java program as a service. I think
this is intentional. Help yourself with some auto-start scripts.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Enforcing Calc sheet protection

[Andreas Säger]

Am 16.04.2015 um 13:57 schrieb martin f krafft:
> also sprach Andreas Säger  [2015-04-16 13:05 +0200]:
>> Sub protectSheets_onSave(ev)
>> eSh = ev.Source.Sheets.createEnumeration()
>> while eSh.hasMoreElements()
>>  sh = eSh.nextElement()
>>  sh.protect("")
>> wend
>> End Sub
> 
> Also does not work. :(
> 

The above macro works for me no matter where it is stored.


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[libreoffice-users] Libre Office 4.2.0 as windows service on windows server 2008 R2 Server Issue

[Anil Wale]

Hi Support Team,

  We are trying to setup Libre Office as windows service on windows server 2008 
R2 Server, using following entry on regedit, but after this service not get 
started.

C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 4\program\ soffice.exe -headless 
-nofirststartwizard 
-accept="socket,host=localhost,port=8100;urp;StarOffice.Service"

Can you please help me to setup LibreOffice_4.2.0 as a windows service or 
please send me steps.

Regard's,

Anil Wale | Senior Product Engineer - Paxpro
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Enforcing Calc sheet protection

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Andreas Säger  [2015-04-16 13:05 +0200]:
> Sub protectSheets_onSave(ev)
> eSh = ev.Source.Sheets.createEnumeration()
> while eSh.hasMoreElements()
>   sh = eSh.nextElement()
>   sh.protect("")
> wend
> End Sub

Also does not work. :(

At some points, I get an error when trying to run it. At other
times, the sheets are simply not protected after running it.

Also, it seems impossible to assign a macro stored in a file to an
event. I.e. when trying to assign a macro to "Save Document", the
macros stored in the .ods file are not available. :(

I assume that this is because the macro is assigned locally, not "in
the document". In that case, I would have to make sure everyone
configures the macro in their libreoffice instances, which is
unrealistic (we can't even get everyone to install lint hooks for
Git etc.).

What I really just want is to tell the document that it should never
save the state of sheet protection and always open with all sheets
protected…

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Drawing arrows in Writer.

[M Henri Day]

2015-04-16 13:36 GMT+02:00 M Henri Day :

​Thanks for your reply, Tom ! As noted above, «Enhancement»​
​ is listed under «Severity»​
​ ; thus no other severity rating can be assigned. Please take a look at
bug 90651 on Bugzilla and comment on it as you find appropriate​



​Henri

​PS : I was wrong - *after* posting the bug, I found that I could assign an
«Importance​
​» to it. I chose «Low» ;-)​

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font versus Character Substitution

[Gary Collins]

Hi,thanks for this, I hadn't noticed it before (or, at least, I hadn't realised 
that the input language could be changed here). However, I'm using windows 7 
and I have Russian and Greek Polytonic keyboards enabled, as well as some 
custom variants of English to use for transcriptions from ancient language 
scripts. All of these are available from the Windows toolbar, but they don't 
seem to be accessible via the language block at the bottom of Writer. Should 
they be? Do I have to enable them somehow in LO? Or is this for something else?
Thanks,/Gary
   From: Paul D. Mirowsky 
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 20:33
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Font versus Character Substitution
   
Are you using the language block at the bottom of Writer to change 
language when writing a new paragraph in a different language?

It should be displaying your default language until you change it.

Hope this helps.




  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Drawing arrows in Writer.

[M Henri Day]

2015-04-16 13:21 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies :


> Hi :)
> +1
>
> Ahh, it sounds like "Enhancement" is the new word for "Feature request".
> I doubt the severity rating needs to be high and it's polite to keep that
> as low as reasonably possible but as high as you feel it needs to be.
>
> Good luck and many thanks from
> Tom :)
>

​Thanks for your reply, Tom ! As noted above, «Enhancement»​
​ is listed under «Severity»​
​ ; thus no other severity rating can be assigned. Please take a look at
bug 90651 on Bugzilla and comment on it as you find appropriate​


​Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Drawing arrows in Writer.

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1

Ahh, it sounds like "Enhancement" is the new word for "Feature request".  I
doubt the severity rating needs to be high and it's polite to keep that as
low as reasonably possible but as high as you feel it needs to be.

Good luck and many thanks from
Tom :)




On 16 April 2015 at 12:10, M Henri Day  wrote:

> 2015-04-16 12:27 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies :
>
>> Hi :)
>> Good answer and very quick.
>>
>> That makes it sound like it might be a relatively "Easy Hack".  If so
>> then it helps the project because it gives devs who are new to this
>> project, or people who are fairly new to (or learning) coding, to get
>> practical experience in this specific project.
>>
>> @ Henri  please feel free to post a "bug report" but mark it as a
>> "feature request" instead of it being a bug as such.  Hopefully the new
>> bug-reporting system makes it easy.  The old system had "feature request"
>> as one of the options in one of the drop-downs.  If it's not obvious in the
>> new system then just add something into the subject-line or summary to make
>> it clear that it is a feature request.
>>
>>
>> Also if it's a menu item then it might be possible to add it into a
>> customised menu-bar but i have no idea how to do that and find the idea a
>> bit scary tbh.
>>
>>
>> It is always nice to have a work-around or two but it's even nicer when a
>> better longer-term solution is potentially on the way.  Being involved in
>> helping make that happen feels really good and is one of the many
>> advantages of OpenSource projects.
>>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>
> ​Tom, the procedure suggest by Piet is, indeed, easy to follow - and, as
> a matter of fact, is to be found via LO help​
> ​ (I somehow managed to overlook it before posting). But since the arrow
> tool is found in the draw function toolbar in both Draw and Impress, it
> should not be too difficult to add it to Writer as well. This would
> contribute to the latter application's user-friendliness
>
> I have opened Bugzilla and shall now file a report, under «Enhancement»
> under the category «Severity», which is the nearest I can come to the
> «feature request» you suggested
>
> Thanks for the tip !...
>
> Henri
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Drawing arrows in Writer.

[M Henri Day]

2015-04-16 12:27 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies :

> Hi :)
> Good answer and very quick.
>
> That makes it sound like it might be a relatively "Easy Hack".  If so then
> it helps the project because it gives devs who are new to this project, or
> people who are fairly new to (or learning) coding, to get practical
> experience in this specific project.
>
> @ Henri  please feel free to post a "bug report" but mark it as a "feature
> request" instead of it being a bug as such.  Hopefully the new
> bug-reporting system makes it easy.  The old system had "feature request"
> as one of the options in one of the drop-downs.  If it's not obvious in the
> new system then just add something into the subject-line or summary to make
> it clear that it is a feature request.
>
>
> Also if it's a menu item then it might be possible to add it into a
> customised menu-bar but i have no idea how to do that and find the idea a
> bit scary tbh.
>
>
> It is always nice to have a work-around or two but it's even nicer when a
> better longer-term solution is potentially on the way.  Being involved in
> helping make that happen feels really good and is one of the many
> advantages of OpenSource projects.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

​Tom, the procedure suggest by Piet is, indeed, easy to follow - and, as a
matter of fact, is to be found via LO help​
​ (I somehow managed to overlook it before posting). But since the arrow
tool is found in the draw function toolbar in both Draw and Impress, it
should not be too difficult to add it to Writer as well. This would
contribute to the latter application's user-friendliness

I have opened Bugzilla and shall now file a report, under «Enhancement»
under the category «Severity», which is the nearest I can come to the
«feature request» you suggested

Thanks for the tip !...

Henri

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Enforcing Calc sheet protection

[Andreas Säger]

Those macros seem to be unmaintained since 15 years. This works with a
save event:

> Sub protectSheets_onSave(ev)
> eSh = ev.Source.Sheets.createEnumeration()
> while eSh.hasMoreElements()
>   sh = eSh.nextElement()
>   sh.protect("")
> wend
> End Sub



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Drawing arrows in Writer.

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Good answer and very quick.

That makes it sound like it might be a relatively "Easy Hack".  If so then
it helps the project because it gives devs who are new to this project, or
people who are fairly new to (or learning) coding, to get practical
experience in this specific project.

@ Henri  please feel free to post a "bug report" but mark it as a "feature
request" instead of it being a bug as such.  Hopefully the new
bug-reporting system makes it easy.  The old system had "feature request"
as one of the options in one of the drop-downs.  If it's not obvious in the
new system then just add something into the subject-line or summary to make
it clear that it is a feature request.


Also if it's a menu item then it might be possible to add it into a
customised menu-bar but i have no idea how to do that and find the idea a
bit scary tbh.


It is always nice to have a work-around or two but it's even nicer when a
better longer-term solution is potentially on the way.  Being involved in
helping make that happen feels really good and is one of the many
advantages of OpenSource projects.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 16 April 2015 at 11:03, Piet van Oostrum  wrote:

> M Henri Day wrote:
>
>  > ​The arrow tool in the draw function toolbar in, e g, Draw or Impress
> makes
>  > drawing an arrow there a breeze, but the same toolbar in Writer (I'm
> using
>  > 4.4.2) seems to lack this particular​ - and very handy - tool. Is there
>  > some way to get around this lack and draw arrows (other than block
> arrows)
>  > in Writer ? If not, may I suggest that the developers consider adding
> this
>  > tool to the draw function toolbar in this LO application, perhaps
> already
>  > in version 5.0, which we have been told is in the works ?...
>
> You can draw a line and with Format -> Object -> Line... you can select
> arrow heads and tails.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Drawing arrows in Writer.

[Piet van Oostrum]

M Henri Day wrote:

 > ​The arrow tool in the draw function toolbar in, e g, Draw or Impress makes
 > drawing an arrow there a breeze, but the same toolbar in Writer (I'm using
 > 4.4.2) seems to lack this particular​ - and very handy - tool. Is there
 > some way to get around this lack and draw arrows (other than block arrows)
 > in Writer ? If not, may I suggest that the developers consider adding this
 > tool to the draw function toolbar in this LO application, perhaps already
 > in version 5.0, which we have been told is in the works ?...

You can draw a line and with Format -> Object -> Line... you can select arrow 
heads and tails.
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[libreoffice-users] Drawing arrows in Writer.

[M Henri Day]

​The arrow tool in the draw function toolbar in, e g, Draw or Impress makes
drawing an arrow there a breeze, but the same toolbar in Writer (I'm using
4.4.2) seems to lack this particular​ - and very handy - tool. Is there
some way to get around this lack and draw arrows (other than block arrows)
in Writer ? If not, may I suggest that the developers consider adding this
tool to the draw function toolbar in this LO application, perhaps already
in version 5.0, which we have been told is in the works ?...

Thanks to all the developers for the splendid work they are doing !

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc style management

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Andreas Säger  [2015-04-15 17:56 +0200]:
> Don't be too picky. Concentrate on the cells that need constant
> editing. There is nothing wrong when you apply some hard
> attributes to fixed (protected) content.

My experience varies. In one case, for instance, we are preparing
a funding application for a children's theatre to the state and the
document should look consistently formatted (it's been returned to
us before due to formatting inconsistencies… don't ask…). We are
maintaining the document in Git, and even though we all use
Libreoffice 4 on Linux, it's not uncommon that some formatting gets
lost between saving the document on two different computers. I found
that styles mitigate this problem a little bit.

> > Say you have a simple table with row 1 being a "header" row, row
> > 20 a "results" row, and "plain" rows between, column A holding
> > "dates" and column B "percentages".
> 
> Blending data, appearance and calculation is the major weak point
> of all spreadsheet tools. Spreadsheets are quick and dirty tools.
> Quick and dirty tools are expert tools and never "fool proof" by
> any means. All the meticulousness invested by millions of "Excel
> experts" is a waste of time. A single copy and paste or the
> unforeseen error of an untrained user may override everything.

I fully agree. And yet, fundamentally, I don't see why this couldn't
be addressed. Data and calculation are perpendicular aspects and you
can think of them as "content" and completely ignore everything
regarding formatting about them. I.e. at the content level, it's
just cell references, data, and formulae.

The problems seems to be on the formatting ("appearance") layer.
From a user's perspective, I would currently conclude that each
cell's appearance depends on (a) the formatting attributes defined
in the (single) style applied to the cell, and (b) the formatting
attributes applied directly to the cell.

The solution IMHO would be to "simply" allow multiple styles to be
applied to each cell, ideally even from different sources. With
this, the appearance would depend on the attributes derived from

  1. styles applied to the column
  2. styles applied to the row
  3. direct formatting applied to the column
  4. direct formatting applied to the row
  5. styles applied to the cell
  6. direct formatting applied to the cell

The order of column-before-row could probably even be made
configurable per-sheet. Other than that, the merging would be
trivial: attributes obtained later in the above series would
override attributes set earlier, and each attribute could either be
set (forced) to on or off, or unset (in which case it's transparent
and gets ignored).



also sprach toki kantoor  [2015-04-16 02:19 +0200]:
> Is this semantic markup, or presentation markup, or just sommer
> markup?

I am not entirely sure what you are differentiating between. Some is
semantic (e.g. "dates"), some is presentation (e.g. "header").
I don't know what "sommer markup" is.

> What is the difference in the presentation markup between header
> and date?

Nothing. A date field means the data should be rendered as a date.
A header field means that the font should be e.g. bold on a gray
background. And there can be header-date fields, meaning that data
should be rendered as a date, in bold, and on gray background.

Makes sense?

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