Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice git repository!

[Gabriele Ponzo]

In not (yet) a developer, but I'm sure we'll have our good reasons :)

Anyway you'd probably have to write on Dev list for such topics.

I'll try to forward your message to someone who knows those reasons better
than me.
Il 12/feb/2016 08:30, "Mihuleac Sergiu"  ha
scritto:

> Hi!
>
> I wanted to know why LibreOffice doesn't uses GitHub to maintain their
> source code. I personally wanted to start contributing but after I saw
> it wasn't on GitHub i started to think twice. I believe this is a
> serious drawback.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice git repository!

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello,

We do not rely on Github  for independence reasons. However we have our own git 
repository: http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/source-code/

Github is an online service, not the only place to host git repositories (there 
are others such as bitbucket, gitlab and of course every git repository on the 
net).

Best,

Charles. 

Le 12 février 2016 08:29:59 GMT+01:00, Mihuleac Sergiu 
 a écrit :
>Hi!
>
>I wanted to know why LibreOffice doesn't uses GitHub to maintain their
>source code. I personally wanted to start contributing but after I saw
>it wasn't on GitHub i started to think twice. I believe this is a
>serious drawback.
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[libreoffice-users] libereoffice

[Paul Van Eepoel]

Hallo,

i have libre office voor mac
Version: 5.0.4.2 , but i wil used the database , but i cam not ,i mush instal a 
Java runtime environment
i have don , but i not stil working, what version have i need, my mac work with 
el captain 

and  some time i wil not close, libre office 
kind regard
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Java broke on LO 5.1 on Macs

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 12/02/2016 13:36, Stephan Bergmann a écrit :

> 
> The fix for 
> "FILEOPEN: LibO terminates when loading Oracle's Java on OS X 10.10 and
> 10.11," replacing the need to install Apple's Java 6 in addition to an
> Oracle JRE or JDK with the requirement to install an Oracle JDK, not a
> JRE.  I'm not sure we did ourselves a favour with that change...
> 

That's the one.

Most people rarely download a JDK when a JRE is largely sufficient for
almost everything they might need to launch a Java application,
especially as the JRE updates can be configured to be automatic, whereas
the JDK can not. A user must be aware by looking up for themselves that
there is a newer version of the JDK available (this doens't even happen
on Windows to my knowledge). The change made in that bug report means
that users have to choose between either foregoing Java functionality in
LibreOffice and receiving annoying nag messages that no Java is
installed, or else download and install a larger JDK (in comparison to
just the JRE) that they then have to manually update from time to time.



Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Inaccurate LO 5.1 warning notice when downloading

[M Henri Day]

​When downloading the Swedish version of 5.1 from the LO website, I noticed
the following warning :


*Detta är den första versionen i 5.0-serien, om du tänkt använda programmet
professionellt rekommenderas du använda en mer stabil version från
4.4-serien eller 4.3-serien.*

​i e, that this is the first version in the 5.0 series, if you were
considering using the program professionally we recommend that you use a
more stabile version from 4.4 or 4.3 series.

Perhaps this warning should be updated ?...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Java broke on LO 5.1 on Macs

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 02/11/2016 04:16 PM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 10/02/2016 23:46, Larry Gusaas a écrit :

As I said in my original post, i reinstalled LibreOffice 5.0.4. Java is
recognized in the Preference settings. There is a bug in LO 5.1 which
prevents LibreOffice finding Java.


 From what I recall, it was a deliberate code change in the way that the
Java path is detected, but obviously not tested enough.


The fix for  
"FILEOPEN: LibO terminates when loading Oracle's Java on OS X 10.10 and 
10.11," replacing the need to install Apple's Java 6 in addition to an 
Oracle JRE or JDK with the requirement to install an Oracle JDK, not a 
JRE.  I'm not sure we did ourselves a favour with that change...


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[libreoffice-users] Re: libereoffice

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 12/02/2016 09:52, Paul Van Eepoel a écrit :

Hello Paul,

> Hallo,
> 
> i have libre office voor mac
> Version: 5.0.4.2 , but i wil used the database , but i cam not ,i mush instal 
> a Java runtime environment
> i have don , but i not stil working, what version have i need, my mac work 
> with el captain 


You need AppleJavaforOSX (this is a Java 6 runtime).

You also need to install a recent Oracle JDK, and not just the JRE - the
JRE on its own won't be recognized by LibreOffice 5.


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Survey - What do you expect from Libreoffice Draw in the future?

[V Stuart Foote]

Folks,

The Design and User Experience (UX) team is running a survey on the Draw
module -- "What do you expect from Libreoffice Draw in the future?".   It
will remain open through Friday the 19th of February.

Introductory notes on the Survey may be read here on Google Docs:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W6aIpZhQo7j33f8W3p_nXLAd6tamwjtUxZFx77jArcU

The  Survey is hosted here
   by
user-weave.com

Thank you in advance for participating.

Stuart






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Java broke on LO 5.1 on Macs

[Rob Jasper]

The goal of the JRE is, as the name Java Runtime Environment says, that it 
should be sufficient to run Java functionality.
In all discussions I miss why LO needs more then the runtime environment...
We should work to bring LO in the boundary of of the JRE.

Rob.

On 12 feb. 2016, at 14:09, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

> Le 12/02/2016 13:36, Stephan Bergmann a écrit :
> 
>> 
>> The fix for 
>> "FILEOPEN: LibO terminates when loading Oracle's Java on OS X 10.10 and
>> 10.11," replacing the need to install Apple's Java 6 in addition to an
>> Oracle JRE or JDK with the requirement to install an Oracle JDK, not a
>> JRE.  I'm not sure we did ourselves a favour with that change...
>> 
> 
> That's the one.
> 
> Most people rarely download a JDK when a JRE is largely sufficient for
> almost everything they might need to launch a Java application,
> especially as the JRE updates can be configured to be automatic, whereas
> the JDK can not. A user must be aware by looking up for themselves that
> there is a newer version of the JDK available (this doens't even happen
> on Windows to my knowledge). The change made in that bug report means
> that users have to choose between either foregoing Java functionality in
> LibreOffice and receiving annoying nag messages that no Java is
> installed, or else download and install a larger JDK (in comparison to
> just the JRE) that they then have to manually update from time to time.
> 
> 
> 
> Alex
> 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Java broke on LO 5.1 on Macs

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 12/02/2016 17:27, V Stuart Foote a écrit :

> So, at the moment, sorry but you DO need the Java Runtime environment as
> provided from a JDK.  Otherwise, I would say simply don't use Base and don't
> select a Java runtime--but not sure if on the OS X builds you get the
> option. When I get a moment I'll actually check.
> 

No, unfortunately, you don't get the choice irrespective of whether or
not you use Base. There are hooks in at least the Writer module that
require Java instantiation, and possibly also a bundled extension which
requires a Java environment to be detected (NLPSolver) for Calc.

Bundled extensions can not be removed easily  by the casual user.


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Java broke on LO 5.1 on Macs

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2016-02-12, 9:38 AM V Stuart Foote wrote:

Rob wrote

The goal of the JRE is, as the name Java Runtime Environment says, that it
should be sufficient to run Java functionality.

That is Oracle's take.  In reality



In all discussions I miss why LO needs more then the runtime
environment...
We should work to bring LO in the boundary of of the JRE.

No, Oracle  must fix the JRE, or Apple must correct OS X Java system calls.
Until then, LO for tdf#94716 now requires use of the unaffected JDK -- at
the expense of OS X users now having to install the JDK rather than a broken
JRE to access the Java runtimes.


Wrong. You need to make LibreOffice work with OS X.  It worked before. Demanding Apple makes a 
change in there operating system in order for your program to  work is pretty arrogant. I do 
not need or want JDK on my system.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Java broke on LO 5.1 on Macs

[V Stuart Foote]

Rob wrote
> The goal of the JRE is, as the name Java Runtime Environment says, that it
> should be sufficient to run Java functionality.

That is Oracle's take.  In reality 


> In all discussions I miss why LO needs more then the runtime
> environment...
> We should work to bring LO in the boundary of of the JRE.

No, Oracle  must fix the JRE, or Apple must correct OS X Java system calls. 
Until then, LO for tdf#94716 now requires use of the unaffected JDK -- at
the expense of OS X users now having to install the JDK rather than a broken
JRE to access the Java runtimes.

See Oracle's notes:
http://bugs.java.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=7131356

The LibreOffice details are in  tdf#74877
and  
tdf#94716   

LibreOffice has no skin in the game beyond running the Java based HSQLDB 
for Base internal database--and when we fully move to FireBird very little
requirement for Java going forward.  Java runtime -- from a JRE or JDK
becomes irrelevant to the project.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Java broke on LO 5.1 on Macs

[V Stuart Foote]

Larry Gusaas wrote
>> No, Oracle  must fix the JRE, or Apple must correct OS X Java system
>> calls.
>> Until then, LO for tdf#94716 now requires use of the unaffected JDK -- at
>> the expense of OS X users now having to install the JDK rather than a
>> broken
>> JRE to access the Java runtimes.
> 
> Wrong. You need to make LibreOffice work with OS X.  It worked before. 

I don't need to do anything,  but you are welcome to hack at the code ;-)


> Demanding Apple makes a  change in there operating system in order for
> your program to  work is pretty arrogant. I do not need or want JDK on my
> system.

Arrogant?  No, just reality of Oracle and Apples relationship and a lack of
effort on the part of Apple!

Until Oracle and Apple can not sort this out--external projects like
LibreOffice have no choice and we've now implemented a reasonable work
around (provided by folks responsible for NeoOffice). 

So, at the moment, sorry but you DO need the Java Runtime environment as
provided from a JDK.  Otherwise, I would say simply don't use Base and don't
select a Java runtime--but not sure if on the OS X builds you get the
option. When I get a moment I'll actually check.

Stuart




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Java broke on LO 5.1 on Macs

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2016-02-12, 10:27 AM V Stuart Foote wrote:

Larry Gusaas wrote

No, Oracle  must fix the JRE, or Apple must correct OS X Java system
calls.
Until then, LO for tdf#94716 now requires use of the unaffected JDK -- at
the expense of OS X users now having to install the JDK rather than a
broken
JRE to access the Java runtimes.

Wrong. You need to make LibreOffice work with OS X.  It worked before.

I don't need to do anything,

You meaning LibreOffice needs to


but you are welcome to hack at the code ;-)

Typical arrogant hacker's response.


Demanding Apple makes a  change in there operating system in order for
your program to  work is pretty arrogant. I do not need or want JDK on my
system.

Arrogant?  No, just reality of Oracle and Apples relationship and a lack of
effort on the part of Apple!
Apple does not have to make changes to their OS to meet demands of third party programs. 
Programmers have to write their code to work with the OS. Demanding otherwise is arrogant.



Until Oracle and Apple can not sort this out--external projects like
LibreOffice have no choice and we've now implemented a reasonable work
around (provided by folks responsible for NeoOffice).
It is not reasonable to demand the use of JDK instead of JRE. I have no need for JDK. Also it 
does not check for updates automatically, which can lead to security problems.



So, at the moment, sorry but you DO need the Java Runtime environment as
provided from a JDK.
And earlier versions of LibreOffice worked. The "Bug fix" broke LibreOffice for Macs. Thanks a 
lot. I appreciate your great work to "improve" LibreOffice.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice git repository!

[anne-ology]

   very interesting.

   Is this perchance where new programs originate?



From: Charles-H. Schulz 
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice git repository!
To: Mihuleac Sergiu ,
users@global.libreoffice.org


Hello,

We do not rely on Github  for independence reasons. However we have our own
git repository: http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/source-code/

Github is an online service, not the only place to host git repositories
(there are others such as bitbucket, gitlab and of course every git
repository on the net).

Best,

Charles.



Le 12 février 2016 08:29:59 GMT+01:00, Mihuleac Sergiu <
mihuleac.ser...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>Hi!
>
>I wanted to know why LibreOffice doesn't uses GitHub to maintain their
>source code. I personally wanted to start contributing but after I saw
>it wasn't on GitHub i started to think twice. I believe this is a
>serious drawback.
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey - What do you expect from Libreoffice Draw in the future?

[anne-ology]

   Curiously wondering how to respond in this survey;
  or maybe it's not ready yet?

   Well, what I'd like to see is an ability to draw as I would by hand
on paper; maybe it's me rather than these programs but I've never been able
to generate the same gentle motion as I can by hand.  Yet somehow others
seem to be able to accomplish this feat.

   I sure would appreciate knowing their secret(s),



From: V Stuart Foote 
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Survey - What do you expect from Libreoffice
Draw in the future?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Folks,

The Design and User Experience (UX) team is running a survey on the Draw
module -- "What do you expect from Libreoffice Draw in the future?".   It
will remain open through Friday the 19th of February.

Introductory notes on the Survey may be read here on Google Docs:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W6aIpZhQo7j33f8W3p_nXLAd6tamwjtUxZFx77jArcU

The  Survey is hosted here
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Thank you in advance for participating.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base - automatically running a macro on form opening

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

Well, for sure you can fire a macro when a document opens. I expect it 
is the same for a form, but I have not tried it. Try this:


Tools > Customize > Events

You can set macros for Document loading finished (for example). There is 
a drop-down in the bottom for "Save in". Set this to the form, not 
LibreOffice since you only want this for your specific form / document.


Next, you want a macro that is triggered when you move to the next 
record. I don't remember off hand if you can do this (I have not looked 
at it in a few years). If I did, I probably mention it in AndrewBase.odt 
if I ever did this specifically. I just don't remember and I do not have 
time to look it up right now.



On 02/06/2016 04:52 AM, Marion & Noel Lodge wrote:

Hi Egbert,

If you are running on a Windows machine, I have found ways to do what you
were asking and I could make some suggestions if that would help.

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On 4 February 2016 at 14:59, Egbert Eissing  wrote:


I need to fire up a macro automatically when I open a form, or when I move
to the next record.
There is obviously no form event that allows me to do that. I have placed
a simple macro, containing nothing but a message box into all relevant
event slots, to see whether any one of them will fire. But none did. This
appears to be strange to me, lacking such an important function.I am now
using a button to run my macro, but this is unsatisfactory.
Does anyone have an idea how I can accomplish my task?Thanks for any
help.Egbert

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[libreoffice-users] Knoppix - any users of this Linux distribution

[charles meyer]

Hi Folks,

Just a quick off -topic question, s'il vous plaît?

Please feel free to email me off list for a quick question.

Thanks so much!

Charles.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Ken Springer wrote:

On 2/10/16 3:19 PM, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

Slippage in the rollers is what I was thinking of.

In my case, the error is consistent, so slippage is not problem.

Telling the printer where to actually start the printing appears to be
the issue.  We'll call it the top margin for convenience, but even that
has it's own issues.  Since the driver is TWAIN, the brand of printer
shouldn't make a difference as long as the printer manufacturer doesn't
screw up the driver.

Time to "expand our horizons".  (Sounds like a motivational speaker,
doesn't it?   LOL)

LO's built-in template, displayed on the screen, is correct.  The
paper's top margin is .5" on the screen and in real life.  Positioning
of the text is also correct, as displayed on the screen.

Only printing is in error.

Now...  Suppose you are creating X number of label designs for someone
else.  They don't have LO, how to you get the labels to them?  Today, I
think almost everyone's answer would be PDF.


You may already realise, but in case not... Adobe Reader has an option
to "Shrink oversized pages" when printing.


Every PDF reader I've toyed with has  that option for scaling.  Useful
if you receive something that was created for 11 X 17 paper, and all you
have is 8.5 X11.  In which case, I would expect a bit of error, not to
mention difficulty in reading text that may be on the page.


You might not expect that to
do anything when printing an A4 PDF printing onto A4 paper, but it
actually shrinks the page slightly to allow for the non-printable
margins around the page. To get a 1:1 scale print you have to select
"Actual size". It remembers the last setting you use, so you have to
remember to check what's it's set to each time.


I would submit, that the person who created the PDF, should have
considered non-printable margins.  Which is why I always use margins
that I'm sure all printers can handle, at least to the best of my
knowledge.


I'd agree with that. Pretty much all PDFs I've seen do have a margin 
between the content and the edge of the page, and can be printed at 
actual size without problem. It's useful, as you say, if you need to 
print an 11x17 document on 8.5x11 paper (or in my case usually A3 on 
A4), but rather annoying when it's then set by default next time and 
shrinks an 8.5x11 (or A4) document slightly. I think it's the default on 
a fresh install of Adobe Reader so some people might not even notice it.



Fair enough, but that doesn't work either.  If you create the PDF with
the default template settings, which are correct, the resulting PDF file
is also in error.  I tried it.  Same vertical offset issue.


Is the vertical offset incorrect on screen as well as when printed? When
I first read that, I thought you meant it was wrong on-screen as well,
but from your discussion below it sounds like the PDF is displayed with
the correct margin, but prints with the wrong margin?


If the onscreen display of the margins for 8167 labels is correct, the
printed output is incorrect, from both LO and PDF.  If the onscreen
margins are incorrect (to the needed amount of course), the printed
output is correct, from both LO and PDF.


So you change the top margin, create the PDF, and yep, labels print
correctly.

What's wrong with this?

In the above scenario, the recipient of the PDF may/can/will look at the
labels before printing them, to see if they are correct.  (If they
don't, they aren't doing their job.)  Guess what?  They'll see the top
margin error, more easily spotted if you have a vertical ruler option.
If you send a PDF based on the correct template (the one supplied by
LO), the printing will be off.  If you send a PDF based on a modified
template, the visual display on the screen will be off.


So if you have a PDF which displays on screen with the correct margin,
but when printed it has the wrong margin?


Yep.   


To get it to print with the
correct margin, you have to produce a PDF which displays with an
incorrect margin?


Yep.

< Assuming you're printing the PDF at actual size, that

would suggest the printer or its driver is in error (unless your PDF
reader has the same issue as LibreOffice). Once LibreOffice has created
a PDF, it has nothing to do with any difference between how the PDF
reader displays and prints it.


Unless the error is embedded in the PDF.   :-)


I'm not sure that there's anything in the PDF format to specify 
different margins for display and printing, but I may be wrong. It's 
intended as a page layout format, specifying the position of each item 
so that it's displayed and printed consistently between systems. As I 
understand it, PDF doesn't even have a concept of paragraphs - they're 
just separate lines which happen to be positioned one below another.



I hadn't considered the printer driver to be the problem, since the
other size label does not exhibit this issue.  A .5" margin is a .5"
margin.   :-)


That is odd... Do both 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Survey - What do you expect from Libreoffice Draw in the future?

[V Stuart Foote]

anne-ology wrote
> Curiously wondering how to respond in this survey;
>   or maybe it's not ready yet?

The survey is published and open for response from the link(s) given.

It is a simple web browser input form with multiple "guided" dropdowns or
radio button widgets, and  includes several free response fields.

To repeat...

Directly here at 
http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12

Or with a brief introduction and linked from a GoogleDocs landing: 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W6aIpZhQo7j33f8W3p_nXLAd6tamwjtUxZFx77jArcU/edit

If the link does not respond please try again or try a different browser.

Stuart



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