Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
I was curious as to what the commotion on this subject was so I looked at the bug submitted wherein I found the automated message: Björn Michaelsen 2011-12-23 12:27:51 UTC [This is an automated message.] This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The bug is changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from NEEDINFO back to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1 or beta2 prereleases. Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1 more detail on this bulk operation: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RFC-Operation-Spamzilla-tp3607474p3607474.html Seems pretty clear to me. In fact, if one actually goes to the trouble of clicking on the bulk operation link, one finds complete information regarding what was done and why. To make it more convenient for you all, I present a portion of the information here: here is an urgent request for comments. We still have ~2400 bugs in state NEW from the pre-Bugzilla 4.0 days. Back then we had no initial state UNCONFIRMED, so unfortunately they started with NEW. This is changed now for new bugs, but the old ones are still in state NEW because we did not want to spam the subscribers of 2400 bugs just by changing those bugs. This leaves us in the unfortunate situation to having to check dates etc. to see what the status really means, which is really bad. So here is my proposal: I want to batch change all those old unconfirmed bugs (without the now obsolete CONFIRMED in whiteboard status) to state NEEDINFO. We can then be sure that a bug in state NEW is actually confirmed. This is urgent, because I think we have a good opportunity right now. I want to do the bulk change with this comment: [This is an automated message.] This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The bug is changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from NEEDINFO back to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1 prerelease. Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1 By doing this, we would: a) get our bug data consistent (all NEW bug would have basic confirmation) b) lure a lot more people into participating in the beta1 bug hunt c) do so without spamming a lot of people in vain. d) could get rid of the confusing UNCONFIRMED,CONFIRMED tags in whiteboard status To be effective for the bug hunting session this would have to be done rather fast. Thus, if nobody vetos this, I would do that tommorrow in ~500 bug batches. Objections? Vetos? Comments? Best, Bjoern This at least provides the history of how things got from there to here and so could help provide a better understanding. I do agree that there needs to be better information regarding how to change the status, as it's unclear (to me at least) how the status got changed to RESOLVED INVALID, other than the fact that Leif stated very clearly in this particular bug: _Not actually a bug _but more an easy improvement to the user interface. Perhaps that's the reason it became invalid. I'm simply guessing. It would seem any perceived problems stem from Bugzilla and attempts to make improvements to the bug fixing process. Where it may have broken down is in the uncertain area of what happened when Leif responded to the NEEDINFO request. The question becomes, did Bugzilla change the status to NEW as Bjoern implies would happen and then a developer further changed the status to RESOLVED INVALID? If so, then perhaps that particular status needs better detail from the developer (or QA) as Leif requests - something like Not a bug, but an enhancement request. And then perhaps a pointer to how to submit enhancement requests. To me, a better status message would have simply been ENHANCEMENT REQUEST and then left in that state as an open request rather than RESOLVED. That way developers could easily find such requests. Obviously I'd have to look at each individual bug to see if these comments apply, but since Andreas stated in another post that this bug was... The perfect example for what went wrong here. Someone tagged it blindly as NEEDINFO although the request for improvement is perfectly clear even for me who never used Impress for anything but viewing. ... I thought I'd take a look at the perfect example. We now see why it was tagged blindly. Leif is perfectly right when he states: Half the problem is communication. If the process has been more clear and accurate it wouldn't have been a problem. Why not explain the process and the reason for closing these issues? Why not explain what it means that the issue has
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Thanks for your comments. What still remains unclear to me (not that it matters as I have no influence/authority on anything done by anyone - I'm simply trying to help you all sort it out so somebody in a position to do something can then do it) is whether the bug status was changed in that 5 month period between when you re-confirmed the bug, and when it was closed. In other words, did it get changed from NEEDINFO to NEW when you reconfirmed the bug, as was implied should have happened? Or did it go from NEEDINFO to CLOSED with no intervening status? If the latter, then in my opinion there's a bug in bugzilla as (I would think) it should have changed when you reconfirmed the bug. If the former, then there's a problem with the process, not the tool. The answers to those questions will answer the question which one needs fixing? If the process needs fixing, then in my opinion there needs to be additional status flags and additional feedback from the developers as I previously wrote. Based on Florien's post, it sounds like he only closed those that were in the NEEDINFO state, which implies there's a bug in bugzilla as I state above. On 8/15/2012 2:18 PM, Marc Grober wrote: Yes and no. The initial news about bug tracker issues went out in March. Many responded, as did I, updating the bug to confirm that it was still a bug In fact, at the time I specifically asked why we needed to confirm the bug if in fact the bug was long stnding and nothing had been done by developers about the resolution suggested. The response was a thank you for updating. THEN, 5 MONTHS LATER, we received post facto notice that the bug had been closed, an across the board second effort to change bug status without regard to anything that had been done in March. The March notice re 'my' bug was in fact bogus, because the bug was documented very well, and status was simply not changed because no dev took the time to address the bug. On 8/15/12 12:54 PM, Andrew Brager wrote: I was curious as to what the commotion on this subject was so I looked at the bug submitted wherein I found the automated message: Björn Michaelsen 2011-12-23 12:27:51 UTC [This is an automated message.] This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The bug is changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from NEEDINFO back to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1 or beta2 prereleases. Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1 more detail on this bulk operation: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RFC-Operation-Spamzilla-tp3607474p3607474.html Seems pretty clear to me. In fact, if one actually goes to the trouble of clicking on the bulk operation link, one finds complete information regarding what was done and why. To make it more convenient for you all, I present a portion of the information here: here is an urgent request for comments. We still have ~2400 bugs in state NEW from the pre-Bugzilla 4.0 days. Back then we had no initial state UNCONFIRMED, so unfortunately they started with NEW. This is changed now for new bugs, but the old ones are still in state NEW because we did not want to spam the subscribers of 2400 bugs just by changing those bugs. This leaves us in the unfortunate situation to having to check dates etc. to see what the status really means, which is really bad. So here is my proposal: I want to batch change all those old unconfirmed bugs (without the now obsolete CONFIRMED in whiteboard status) to state NEEDINFO. We can then be sure that a bug in state NEW is actually confirmed. This is urgent, because I think we have a good opportunity right now. I want to do the bulk change with this comment: [This is an automated message.] This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The bug is changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from NEEDINFO back to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1 prerelease. Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1 By doing this, we would: a) get our bug data consistent (all NEW bug would have basic confirmation) b) lure a lot more people into participating in the beta1 bug hunt c) do so without spamming a lot of people in vain. d) could get rid of the confusing UNCONFIRMED,CONFIRMED tags in whiteboard status To be effective for the bug hunting session this would have to be done rather fast. Thus, if nobody vetos this, I would do that tommorrow in ~500 bug batches. Objections? Vetos? Comments? Best, Bjoern This at least provides the history of how things got from there to here
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
On 8/15/2012 3:20 PM, Marc Grober wrote: On 8/15/12 1:57 PM, Andrew Brager wrote: Thanks for your comments. What still remains unclear to me (not that it matters as I have no influence/authority on anything done by anyone - I'm simply trying to help you all sort it out so somebody in a position to do something can then do it) is whether the bug status was changed in that 5 month period between when you re-confirmed the bug, and when it was closed. In other words, did it get changed from NEEDINFO to NEW when you reconfirmed the bug, as was implied should have happened? Or did it go from NEEDINFO to CLOSED with no intervening status? If the latter, then in my opinion there's a bug in bugzilla as (I would think) it should have changed when you reconfirmed the bug. If the former, then there's a problem with the process, not the tool. The answers to those questions will answer the question which one needs fixing? If the process needs fixing, then in my opinion there needs to be additional status flags and additional feedback from the developers as I previously wrote. Based on Florien's post, it sounds like he only closed those that were in the NEEDINFO state, which implies there's a bug in bugzilla as I state above. I think there is another possibility, and that is that the bug lifecycle is dubious. See, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/docs/en/html/lifecycle.html That diagram is in fact interesting. Based on that diagram (which may or may not be utilized by the LO team), then the process followed by the LO team is in error. They've chosen to dump unconfirmed bugs back on the user community, instead of confirming the bugs themselves. I can understand why they've done it, the work is probably overwhelming and they're volunteers so they've chosen to let each individual user/bug submitter either resubmit or assume resolved status. Not a bad choice from their point of view, it's the path of least work for them. It makes sense from that viewpoint. The proper way to do it would have been to check each bug themselves as normally would be done prior to a production release. They took the practical, expedient approach instead and I don't think you can fault them for doing so. With respect to LO bugs, it is still unclear what the various stages of the bug lifecycle is, and who is empowered to make various changes to the bug status. As an unempowered user I cannot confirm a bug. Nor should you be able to confirm a bug. And that of course is where the model (or process) is broken, since as I mentioned above they've dumped the testing back on the user - with decent reasoning - but it still breaks the model as provided by the diagram. So yes, somebody on the developer's side needs to make some decisions as to how best to fix the model and/or process. Personally I don't see a problem with their decision to dump the bugs back on the user considering they themselves are volunteers, but somewhere somehow the status needs to change from NEEDINFO to NEW (which is not provided for in the model so clearly things have changed either with the model as supplied by bugzilla, or the LO team has customized their copy. So, I reiterate my previous comment that more info. is needed from the bug submitters as to what stages the status flags went through to determine whether it's the process or bugzilla that needs fixing. Moreover, there is no context help available regarding status hierarchy. What I think I am seeing, as in so many such projects, is a disconnect between what devs think is happening and what bug reporters think is happening. I agree with your assessment. But until someone starts providing the missing info. I fear there can be no resolution. Ultimately someone from the developer's and/or administrative side of the fence needs to figure out how to resolve this to most people's satisfaction. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed
On 8/15/2012 5:11 PM, anne-ology wrote: I find deleting to be slightly easier than copy paste in order to include the original sender. Further, what difference does it make to you how many copies the original sender receives? If I happen to receive two copies of a response to me, I delete one - actually I delete both once I'm done with it. exactly; this requires having to delete the extraneous e-addresses ;-) Time is not the issue. The issue is, what does the RFC say? RFC's determine how things work, and how things will operate together. The primary problem as I now see it, is that there is apparently no companion RFC (or at least nobody has mentioned it) that specifies that email clients need to include a Reply to List button. That's an oversight. Someone with the skill and knowledge to amend RFC's needs to make that correction so that the next versions of all email clients include the button. Therefore, I'd like to know what is the time savings in this vs. having the reply go to the list ??? That's something I agree with, is one of my pet peeves and you've stated the case perfectly. This change isn't anymore logical than some of these responders who must think we should re-read the old message before finally seeing whatever new message has been added - and their addition becomes almost lost amongst the talk unless enough blank lines have been left; logically, the new message should be where you can read it first - then if you need to re-fresh your memory, scroll down to see what preceded it. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.comwrote: I think the safe response when using the changed list settings is use Reply-all. For simplicity, the only instruction to users of the lists that works consistently is Reply-all. steve On 2012-08-16 05:22, Jay Lozier wrote: On 08/15/2012 12:09 PM, Dan Hall wrote: In Outlook 2003 SP3 - Reply = Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com and Reply to All = Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com;users@** global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org. There is no Reply to List in Outlook. Dan, My reply options changed to reply all not reply list in Thunderbird when I received your email. The to field is your email and the cc is users@global.libreoffice.org. It appears there is some inconsistent behavior with email clients and webmail sites depending on how they receive the email Jay -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed
Thunderbird has the option. I don't know what other clients have it, if any. On 8/15/2012 5:00 PM, anne-ology wrote: exactly - well, there is a third option [to forward ;-) ] And those are the only options available in the web-based e-mails as well. BTW - I've never seen this supposed 'reply to list' option on any computer. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
I've seen at least one or two people respond to the question. For some reason you don't appear to be seeing all the posts here. In particular you didn't respond to one of my own, specifically addressing your font issue wherein I provided a possible resolution. This particular message I'm sending now I would normally provide privately. But since everyone on this list seems to be up in arms about sharing info. I post it here. On 8/15/2012 5:34 PM, anne-ology wrote: I too would like to know. It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it, yet no one responds ;-) or are they responding privately ??? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.comwrote: On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote: I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1 What is AOO? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
You don't seem to understand what I wrote. Bottom line is, it's in the archives - search for it there. I'm sure someone else can help you with that - don't ask me because I don't know how. On 8/15/2012 7:19 PM, anne-ology wrote: Ok, I've received your message of 2 paragraphs [still below] - you state you will answer the question; where is the answer ??? ;-) Maybe I'm not receiving all the messages ... maybe your message was clipped for some reason ... but if you sent more than is below, could you please explain how to view it. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com mailto:apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote: I've seen at least one or two people respond to the question. For some reason you don't appear to be seeing all the posts here. In particular you didn't respond to one of my own, specifically addressing your font issue wherein I provided a possible resolution. This particular message I'm sending now I would normally provide privately. But since everyone on this list seems to be up in arms about sharing info. I post it here. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
The questions on your poll are rather leading. The items you have
selected as questions are really not the issue at all.
This list is still a list, what else could it be? You're using it right
now as you're complaining about it. So clearly, it's not private
communication at all. You simply have to make a conscious decision as
to whom you wish to reply to. Yes, you must _think_ about it for a
second or two until you get used to the new way. (And you know what?
You did it! Otherwise I wouldn't be seeing your message right now. Was
it really that hard?)
webmaster-Kracked_P_P stated exactly that. To wit: /I am so use to
pressing Reply and the next button being Reply All, that I now have
to remember to skip the Reply button and remember that the Reply All
button has been replaced with Reply List./
Seriously? We're complaining about remembering to move the mouse a hair
to the right? And it's become a major issue among the users here? I
think there's more discussion about this then there is voter turnout
(apologies to the non-voting countries).
What you're really saying is you don't want to change your habits.
That, I can understand; old habits die hard. However, with a little
effort and a little practice the new way will soon grow on you and
you'll eventually forget what it was you were so upset about.
Now I don't know what email client you're using and perhaps it's a
hassle for you in some other way. Is that the case? I'm using
Thunderbird and so I simply hit Reply List instead of Reply. Not a
big deal. It takes an extra nanosecond to make the conscious decision
to hit one button instead of another. Do you have to do more work than
that?
Back in my day, we had to hike 10 miles uphill in the snow to press a
different button and we were happy to do it ;-)
On 8/13/2012 12:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly.
Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual list
or
(2) to change this from a list to private
communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
the ins outs of LO.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
by mistake. I am so use to pressing Reply and the next button being
Reply All, that I now have to remember to skip the Reply button and
remember that the Reply All button has been replaced with Reply List.
This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
How can I know which one is a spam? thread in the Website list.
I nearly sent this posting to anne-ology instead of the User list. This
is going to be a problem, maybe.
On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
list
to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
the
list to hear what's new and learn from others.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I did not know that you could make the email client state Reply List
instead of the text on the Reply All button. I run Thunderbird 14.0.
I have to get use to using the Reply List instead of Reply to post a
message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make
it
easier to send a message to the poster, off list. I use to copy the
email
address of the poster and then paste it to my To: section. This will
be
easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
the
new Reply List button instead of the Reply button.
myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
had
trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
('hucksterism') in.
the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
a
big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
F.
--
Felmon Davis
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Re: [libreoffice-users] formatting
On 8/10/2012 7:44 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 16:31 10/08/2012 -0700, Andrew Brager wrote: The answer suddenly dawned on me. I believe it was Brian Barker that actually provided the solution to my problem, so he gets 90% of the credit. As he suggested to me, create a template. I think that might work for you too. If he's willing, Brian would be a better guide on how to do that than I. That's very kind of you, but I must protest! I don't recognise this description, and whoever really did you this favour deserves all that credit, not me. (Frustratingly, I cannot find his wonderful explanation to me. ... Er, neither can I! Brian Barker Turns out it was Dan. Sorry about that Dan (and Brian)! I trust you don't mind if I repost your explanation of how to use templates? Anne - Perhaps you'll be able to adapt it to your situation. There's some help in the help file - use defaults;fonts as your search string. If that's not enough, maybe Dan (or anyone else) can help you. Or, I could be wrong about the solution. Dan wrote in a different thread: I think your subject points to what you want: the term Default. You need a default template with the styles you use regularly. What you need to do is to create a Writer document with the styles that you want to use. You will need to use an empty line for each paragraph style you want and apply a style on each line. You also need to look at Tools Options LibreOffice Paths. There Templates has two paths listed separated by a semi-colon. The latter is the path where you want to save your document as a template. Then save the document as a template using the second template path. (*.ott This is one of the formats available when saving a file.) File Templates Organize Templates. Double click the My Templates folder to open it. Your template should appear under My Templates folder. If not, right click My Templates and select, Import Templates. Browse to where you saved your template, and select it. Now it should be visible. Now, right click your template. Select Set as Default. Close LO. Any time you open Writer, you will be using the template you have just created. Title will be available all the time. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove?
You clearly don't play video games :^) On 8/10/2012 6:02 AM, Lynne Stevens wrote: *Might also upgrade to Linux a windows is not one of the better systems to use for anything . -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] White lines
A blank line does not have to be an empty line. (^$) A blank line (as perceived by the human eye) can have spaces, tabs and/or other non-printing characters in it. (^ $). A blank line may actually be nothing more than space added by a particular style and therefore not subject to regular expressions. A blank line may actually be a picture placeholder. Further, there's no telling if she has changed the background color and is talking about white underlines. I doubt it, but the possibility exists. She's been instructed on how to handle all of these situations by various people, except perhaps the placeholder. I doubt that's her issue. At this point, she either needs to provide more info. or let someone see her document. Considering she hasn't bothered to respond to anybody's suggestions that I've noticed, it makes one wonder whether she's listening or just talking. On 8/10/2012 8:14 AM, Séamas Ó Brógáin wrote: A white line is a blank line between paragraphs. In Libre Office you can delete them all with find and replace (making sure “regular expressions” is selected). Find ^$ (just those two characters) and replace all with nothing (i.e. no characters in the “replace” box). -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] White lines
Carla, Out of the many suggestions already provided to you, which ones have you tried and what were the results? Have you: 1) Checked off (ticked) the regular expressions box? 2) Tried using the ^$ suggestion? 3) Tried using my all inclusive white space suggestion [:cntrl:] ? 4) Tried using the styles suggestion? What were the results for each? There is a 99% possibility it's one of the above. You've already been given your answer, why are you ignoring them? On 8/10/2012 12:37 AM, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote: I am still looking for a way to erase white lines in the text of a document. Who can help me? Carla -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 12781 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: White lines
On 8/10/2012 3:09 PM, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 10.08.2012 22:41, Séamas Ó Brógáin wrote: Andrew wrote: A blank line does not have to be an empty line. (^$) She didn’t say “blank line”: she said “white line.” A white line is a line space between paragraphs that contains no text. (In a word-processor file I take this to be a line created by pressing the “return” key a second time.) The concept and the term are some centuries older than word-processor contrivances whereby extra space is added as part of a paragraph style. But she mentions that she replaces ^p in WinWord which matches a paragraph mark. Regular expression ^[:space:]*$ matches optional white space between the start position and the end position of a line. Exactly right Andreas. However, that expression doesn't match the tab character which is why I suggested using [:ctrl:] in a prior post. I realize now that [:ctrl]* would have been more accurate. I don't think you need the ^$, because if it's not between the beginning and end of the line, then where else could it be? I will admit I haven't tested it. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] formatting
Anne, The answer suddenly dawned on me. I believe it was Brian Barker that actually provided the solution to my problem, so he gets 90% of the credit. As he suggested to me, create a template. I think that might work for you too. If he's willing, Brian would be a better guide on how to do that than I. (Frustratingly, I cannot find his wonderful explanation to me. I'm sorry to say I may have deleted it by accident. I have this weird problem where I click the mouse once and it sometimes acts like I either double-clicked it - and executes a file I had merely meant to select, or it acts like I clicked it twice - and so deletes two emails when I had only intended to delete one and I don't always notice. You have no idea how aggravating that is!) On 7/25/2012 7:53 PM, Andrew Brager wrote: On 7/25/2012 6:30 PM, anne-ology wrote: Forinstance, this last presentation I chose the blue border ... and I always choose the blank slide [although this refuses to remain the default], ... then I chose the effects, the timing, ... then there's no place to choose the font for the text. You are correct, there is no menu item where you can select a font that is subsequently the default for that slide or file. In order to change the font you have to select the text (or modify its style). The text needs to be highlighted with the mouse cursor. Do you understand and know how to do that? Then I added twice the number of slides I figured I'd need [added 50 this time] ... then clicked on 'apply to all'. What are the steps to get to this apply to all button? I don't remember seeing it. Then I added text to the first slide - the size of the font here would be different being the header, [I chose papyrus with red] ... then I went on to the next slide ... and added the text ... it was Ariel with black, so I 'selected all' re-chose the font color ... ditto for each subsequent slide; each time, I can return to hit the 'apply to all' ... but the text color do not remain. Before you select all you need to go to the OUTLINE tab. Do you know how to do that? Before you go to the outline tab you need to TYPE in ALL of your text. However, to save you some work, lets limit all to two slides. So... STEP 1: Create 2 slides (you've already done that). STEP 2: Type in all of your text into all of your slides (here we're pretending that 2 slides are all you have) STEP 3: Go to the OUTLINE tab. Note that you can go to the outline tab before or after typing in text, the order doesn't matter but you MUST be in OUTLINE mode before selecting all. STEP 4: Select all. (One way to do this is with CTRL-A). You should visually see all of your text on all of your (2) slides highlighted. STEP 5: Change the font (I assume you know how to change the font. If not, ask.) Also make your color changes at this time. Note: I have not tested this with color, just fonts. Be advised this is NOT the best way to design your presentation. The experts here (which I'm not) recommend (and I have no argument with them) that the best way to change fonts and other attributes is through the use of styles. You should be aware that manually changing fonts as described above SUPERSEDES styles. In other words, you can change the style attributes all you want, if you've already manually changed the font, styles will have no effect. To get styles to work again, you need to select the text and click on the FORMAT menu then select the DEFAULT FORMATTING menu item which is first on the list. That will clear the above manual font changes and the styles should automatically start working. This is probably the key to your style problems. Of course for you to see any style changes you have to first change the style attributes. Ask if you don't know how to do that. These details are added for you, Dan, although it works/doesn't work the same no matter what other styles I've chosen, either initially or as I add the new slides. Andrew, I think you're the only one who understands to what I'm referring; thanks. Yeah, I hear that a lot. :-\ To those that can do something about it: I've noticed there are some confusing aspects. For one thing, right clicking on text brings up a menu that has a styles item. Those styles refer to what is elsewhere called font effects. For example strikethrough, bold, italics, etc. This can be confusing to a beginner. In the normal tab, right clicking shows a menu item called edit style. In the outline tab that item appears to become presentation object. There are other similar confusing and inconsistent items related to this. Someone really needs to sit down and take a good look. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: Could we be more detailed in this thread, please? I don't know what mean when you ask So you're able to change the text
Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)
While I've traditionally used google translate, somehow I ended up at Bing translate. Bing says: It is a remarkable admiration So it pays to shop around. On 8/8/2012 5:32 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 07/08/2012 at 21:39, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote: however the argument falls a bit short when he states using translation software isn't allowed (my interpretation of his comment without using translation software). It's just I wouldn't believe translation provided by software is accurate. I have used Google Translate (and Babelfish before) for translating full paragraphs from one language I do understand to another language that I do understand. There were mistakes. Some of them small, some of them completely twisting meaning of sentences. Since I understood both languages, I could correct any mistakes. But I wouldn't dare to translate to/from completely foreign language. I am still using Google Translate, but only for word-to-word translation. When I don't remember right word in foreign language, it is helpful. By the way, translation you have posted are pretty accurate. It seems that translating software is getting better and better. But there are still rough edges. As I was writing reply to Felmon message, I asked Google translate how would on jest godny podziwu (he is worth a respect) be in English. Google suggested he is adorable. I am not sure if Felmon would be happy if I said that he is adorable. I would still wait before using automated translation software to translate longer parts of text. -- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: register true origins
On 8/7/2012 7:11 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 12:39 07/08/2012 -0700, Andrew Brager wrote: Yet, it fails to answer my original question which is where do the words register true come from, and to extend and clarify the question - how did register true come to mean aligning baselines? I think that bit's fairly easy. According to the dictionary, one sense of register as a noun is a state of proper alignment and as a verb to adjust so as to be properly aligned or to be in proper alignment. And true similarly can mean as an adjective accurately placed, and as an adverb precisely or exactly. So register true can mean align exactly or precise alignment. (There's nothing about baselines - but we're talking about vertical alignment, so what else could you align?) Brian Barker While I don't doubt your research (I essentially said the same thing in an example - to wit: /I'd be somewhat satisfied if I saw in a book somewhere that was describing the finer points of typesetting or some such, and it simply stated something to the effect of when they used to set type on the presses built in the early 1900's, they would first align the baselines of all the typeface thingys, and then say to somebody 'it registers true, you may print it'. /) The problem is you're guessing, as was I. If you said to me something like I've been a typesetter for 45 years, and my daddy was a typesetter before me and before that my granddaddy before him and we always used to align baselines and we called it register true, I don't know why we just did... well, that at least carry's some ring of authority. If you'd of added Back in them days register meant 'align' and true meant 'precise', ok that closes the circle. Finis. In lieu of that, a book from a confirmed authority stating something similar would be preferable. It's not that I'm unwilling to accept your explanation, I just would of preferred hearing it from an authoritative source, such that it's undeniable. At this point I'm willing to drop the matter, other than to say I still vote for a change in name from register true to align baselines simply because it's more clear - at least to me. Thanks to everyone that participated in the discussion. I'll take a look at the links previously provided perhaps they'll give me the answers I'm seeking, but regardless I declare this thread dead buried. -- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)
On 8/7/2012 9:58 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 07/08/2012 at 07:37, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: perhaps also Miroslav could cite a book or two; don't see what difference it makes if the books are in Polish. if Missouri is the 'show-me' state, does that require translation into Missourian? Can you, without help of translation software, tell which one is about register? no. 1. Części książki zawierające informacje o dziele i autorze lub stanowiące wypowiedź autora związaną z książką. 2. Zgodność padania na siebie wierszy kolumn wydrukowanych po przeciwnych stronach arkusza. 3. Nawiasy okrągłe stosowane są przez autora danego tekstu do oznaczania alternatywnych sformułowań tekstu głównego. (They are all excerpts from the same book, Typografia typowej książki by Robert Chwałowski.) It is safer to assume that most of readers here do not understand Polish. If I write something in language that other people in this thread do not understand, then this message is not proving anything. I could as well write recipe for apple pie and other people will be unable to tell the difference. I find this an absurd criterion of proof. there are plenty of proofs of things I do not understand, for instance in math physics or fluid dynamics, but that doesn't imply they are not proofs! to access them I would need yrs of training. to access a text in Polish I need a friend or colleague (or software), a lot easier. or I can just take your word for it. The same goes for your quote in German. Let's assume that I do not know word register and think it is not understandable and should be changed. I read your post, which contain proof in German with rough and very abbreviated translation. How can I be sure that this translation is accurate? If I do not understand German, I have no idea what is written there. I must depend solely on your translation. And *you* are trying to convince me! How can I be sure that you are not lying just to prove your point? that's pretty cynical. though St Paul wrote that a fellow from Crete told him all Cretans are liars! (Personally I hope you do not, but again - this is only assumption that may be wrong.) anyone with a little savvy or some friends can check the translation. and it is exceedingly unlikely you would be lying, it is more likely there is confusion about the question. I am quite prepared to take your word and I see no reason to think we are talking about different things. If we are trying to convince someone (as in this case), then we must do our best to provide arguments that are understood. It is crucial that each side can independently verify accuracy of arguments. Otherwise, our debate partner will have to believe us. And faith is not a proof. understood and agreed. and our interlocutors must sometimes be willing to do a little work if they are uncertain of our veracity or accuracy. Allow me to interject. You both make excellent points, but lets soften the debate a bit and assume nobody is lying, because that's not the issue. The issue, by way of example is as follows. The original bible to my knowledge, was written in Hebrew. Someone wanting to read the bible would either have to learn Hebrew, or rely on someone else's translation of it into one's own native language, in my case English. Yet, despite the translation there are still millions of people that *interpret* that translation differently from each other. And so, in the case of register true, I simply wanted to see for myself that there was indeed factual evidence that, that terminology was in fact in use at some prior point in time, but more importantly, why those particular words were used to mean what I'm told is aligning baselines. I wanted to be certain in my own mind, that other people were not interpreting differently than I might interpret, not because they were lying but because everyone sees things a bit differently. Miloslaw is right, I would greatly prefer to see it in English as I don't know Polish, however the argument falls a bit short when he states using translation software isn't allowed (my interpretation of his comment without using translation software). Translation sofware says: 1. the parts of the book containing information about the work and the author or collecting personally the author of a book. 2. compliance of the overlapping rows of columns printed on opposite sides. 3. parentheses are applied by the author of the text to determine the main alternative wording of the text. I would guess number 2 is the answer to the question he asked. Yet, it fails to answer my original question which is where do the words register true come from, and to extend and clarify the question - how did register true come to mean aligning baselines? If there were software that used hot stove to mean burn your hands, ok I see the connection and I'm satisified without
Re: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks
First make sure the regular expressions box is checked (ticked as you Europeans say). Then try the previously mentioned suggestion by Andreas. If that still doesn't work, try and Use [:cntrl:] as your search string. On 8/6/2012 1:22 PM, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote: I want to get rid of the white lines which are between the paragraphs in a document. In Windows Office I do it this way: I find and replace paragrah ends and that works, but I can't find the way to do that in Libre Office. I tried to do it your way, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Carla --- On Mon, 6/8/12, carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl wrote: From: carlamar...@xmsnet.nl carlamar...@xmsnet.nl Subject: [libreoffice-users] paragraph marks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 7:43 I want to replace two paragraph endings punctuation marks by one, because I want to replace white lines. How do I do that? Carla -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles
On 8/2/2012 8:13 AM, Dan wrote: Andrew Brager wrote: On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the feature Register true. Kind regards Regina I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that info. The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where in the world did a name like that come from? If it were me naming that feature I would of called it something like... Align Baselines. Is there a story or reason behind it? If it's not a good one, I vote for changing the name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what it does (chances are slim I'll ever have to use that feature but still). I'm a big fan of naming things after their functions if and when it makes sense to do so. Thank you in advance. Use LO's help to search for this term. It answers your question. Hint, it has to do with how newspapers have been printed. --Dan Register-true is a typography term that is used in printing. This term refers to the congruent imprint of the lines within a type area on the front and the back side of book pages, newspaper pages and magazine pages. The register-true feature make these pages easier to read by preventing gray shadows from shining through between the lines of text. The register-true term also refers to lines in adjacent text columns that are of the same height. When you define a paragraph, Paragraph Style, or a Page Style as register-true, the base lines of the affected characters are aligned to a vertical page grid, regardless of font size or of the presence of graphics. If you want, you can specify the setting for this grid as a Page Style property. True to traditional Unix man-page form, it makes perfect sense - once you read somebody else's explanation somewhere else as to what it means. Failing that, re-reading it a few dozen times very slowly helps a bit. I still vote for Align Baselines and damn the people still using the Gutenberg press. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)
On 8/6/2012 4:53 PM, Dan wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Brager wrote: On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the feature Register true. Kind regards Regina anne-ology wrote: Dan, you've been mis-informed re. newspapers. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Dan elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure?: http://help.libreoffice.org/** Writer/Printing_Register-truehttp://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Printing_Register-true --Dan anne-ology wrote: newspapers were pre-computers therefore pre-LO ;-) Strange, it seems that you did not read what is contained in the link above nor does it seem that you searched for the term in LO's help. It has noting to do with what predates what. Well you would know this if you had done your assignment. This term is in current use today. So what is this strike 2, or is it strike 3, you're out? ;-) --Dan Dan or anyone else, Without meaning to fan the flames, can you provide another citation outside of LO that supports the theory espoused? I tried, I was unable to find anything. I'm sure it's probably true, but I'm from Missouri when it comes to some things. (For those that don't know, Missouri is nicknamed the show me state.) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: register true origins (was Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles)
On 8/6/2012 6:47 PM, Dan wrote: Doug wrote: On 08/06/2012 08:58 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 07/08/2012 at 02:40, Andrew Bragerapb3...@bak.rr.com wrote: Without meaning to fan the flames, can you provide another citation outside of LO that supports the theory espoused? That register true is for adjust to baseline or whatever? Take any book about typography. I can cite at least three different book titles from memory that will support it. But they are all in Polish, so I doubt they will be much of use here. ROTFL! --doug http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/lswiki.nsf/dx/General_Glossary_ls301 I found this link. You will have to search down through this article. Lotus, I believe is an IBM product as in Lotus Symphony. It has the same two paragraphs that LO and AOO have. --Dan Again, without meaning to fan any flames or otherwise sound insulting, quite frankly in my opinion the link is a weak one for various reasons, including lack of a verifiable author with impressive sounding credentials. I was looking more for something along the lines of a historical citation. Perhaps a book or article about the history of the printing press, newspapers and/or typography. Towards that end I looked at various sources for typography, none of them mention register true that I could find. A google search on register true turns up only the LO help page. It's just odd to me that something that is supposed to have been in use for many years isn't mentioned anywhere authoritative (other than perhaps a few Polish books in Miroslaw's memory). Granted the term is relatively obscure, but parellelepiped is in the dictionary and that arguably is even more obscure. Other obscure words include ninnyhammer and flibbertigibbet which I've only just learned. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] inserting (exactly) a line before a paragraph using styles
On 8/2/2012 6:17 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Aligning baselines are not done by inserting a line, but by using the feature Register true. Kind regards Regina I have in fact wondered what Register true was for, thanks for that info. The question that next comes up in my mind is, does anyone know where in the world did a name like that come from? If it were me naming that feature I would of called it something like... Align Baselines. Is there a story or reason behind it? If it's not a good one, I vote for changing the name, because in 6 months or a year I'll have forgotten what it does (chances are slim I'll ever have to use that feature but still). I'm a big fan of naming things after their functions if and when it makes sense to do so. Thank you in advance. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename
As a forced Windoze user with nearly daily machine crashes (Blue Screen of Frustration anyone?) with a high loss record, I have my autosave set for every 5 minutes. I can live with the 3 second pauses. Well worth the potential loss of an hours worth of work that would be impossible to recreate. On 8/1/2012 8:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I change the default autosave time to something fairly long, around 1 hour or so. So, if i do accidentally spend a lot tooo long making a cuppa tea then at least my work gets saved. I think the default is fairly annoying but it depends on the person. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 1/8/12, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] insufficient user rights if I change the filename To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 1 August, 2012, 14:09 if that was the reason for 'save' then it would save in the same folder, rather than some temp [?] folder with some strange name where it's not findable ;-) I think this same un-findable folder is used for saving when the program auto-saves; for that reason, I always turn off the auto-save ... [I think I'm capable of knowing when where to save ;-) ] [it's so frustrating since it always seems to happen right when I'm in the middle of thinking through a thought I'm writing ;-) ] On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-07-31 10:33 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: are you perchance clicking on 'save' rather than 'save as'? I don't know why the 'save' is there;-) Obviously it is so that you can easily save changes to a file that has already been saved/named, without having to save it to an ever different name... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Default style list
Most of the time when I create a new document I want to set the Title style on the first line/paragraph. So, I go to the little dropdown box at the top on the left, where common styles are selected (what I'm calling the default style selection list - for lack of a better known alternative) and Title is not there. So, I click on more This brings up the Styles Formatting dialog with 20 (Paragraph) styles listed. None of them are Title. From there, I have a choice, I can click on the drop down menu at the bottom of that dialog followed by clicking on hierarchical, head down to Headings and choose Title underneath. My other option is to click on one of the icons at the top of the Styles Formatting dialog and then click back to the Paragraph icon, at which point it displays an extended list of styles, perhaps 100... and if I scroll down that list nearly to the bottom Title is listed and I can select it. Once I select Title it gets added to the first dropdown box I mentioned (top left) and from then on for the life of that session I can select Title from that drop down box. Whenever I open a new document, I have to start that process all over again. Considering that I pretty much always use Title, I'd like to know if there's a way to make it stay in that dropdown box between sessions (i.e. forever). Thank you in advance. LO 3.5.5.3 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: I have a question
Not sure who asked the original question, nor what OS you're on but... If you're using Linux and the files are in fact text files (CVS) as indicated below, then I would think something to the effect of: cat file1 file2 file3 | sort | uniq uniqueRecords.txt Might do part of the trick. I say might because it's been too many years since I hung up my Unix/Linux hat and I've forgotten most of the good stuff. Sorry I can't be more helpful. The above translates into English as: merge file1 and file2 into file3, sort file3 and then find those lines that are NOT duplicated (i.e. unique) and store them in uniqueRecords.txt. uniq has an option to return the opposite, i.e. those lines that ARE duplicates. so then you'd do: cat file3 | sort | uniq -d duplicateRecords.txt Now eliminate the duplicates from the duplicateRecords.txt file cat duplicateRecords.txt | uniq almostDone.txt Finally, merge the first set of unique records with the unique duplicates. cat uniqueRecords.txt almostDone.txt done.csv Here's the same thing without all the comments: cat file1 file2 file3 | sort | uniq uniqueRecords.txt cat file3 | sort | uniq -d duplicateRecords.txt cat duplicateRecords.txt | uniq almostDone.txt cat uniqueRecords.txt almostDone.txt done.csv Not having a Unix/Linux system handy I can't test it, but you should see results like this if I got it right: Assuming file1 is composed of: x,y,z a,b,c d,e,f and file2: a,b,c g,h,i j,k,l Results for each line above should be as follows: 1. d,e,f g,h,i j,k,l x,y,z 2. a,b,c a,b,c 3. a,b,c 4. a,b,c d,e,f g,h,i j,k,l x,y,z Another possible tool to look into is AWK. If you know it, it could be even simpler than the above 4 line script. diff and/or one of it's variants might be another potential tool to get the job done. On 7/28/2012 12:42 PM, Lynne Stevens wrote: omega The Omega sector America's Last Line of Defense *Oh yeah both files are CVS and are the way Thomas downloads them but being he is not to computer literate and most likely does not know he can save it in different ways . . No telling . . I ask one time and he said that is how it gets downloaded * On 07/28/2012 09:39 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 28/07/12 14:17, Lynne Stevens a écrit : Hi Lynne, *How do I check for duplicates in a data base using another data base ? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer loses format of MSOffice2007-Doc (watermark, embedded image, format etc)
Sounds like whatever is displaying the image isn't being initialized properly for whatever reason. Reopening it allows that function to execute with the proper parameters. To sit on the page in the proper place the coordinates of the image would have to be known and set properly. If the images are stacking then they're all getting the same set of coordinates. The trick is to figure out why. For the laymen... the best analogy I can think of is to picture an assembly line, with a conveyor belt. Empty bottles sit on the conveyor belt. When you start the conveyor belt and the associated machinery that fills the bottles with some liquid, the bottles are not aligned properly so when the filling nozzle starts pouring liquid it misses the bottle opening by just enough that it sprays onto the belt and spills over onto the floor. By restarting the machinery at the exact moment that the bottles are properly aligned it fixes the problem. Kind of a lame analogy but like I say, the best I can think of at the moment. On 7/27/2012 4:58 PM, anne-ology wrote: yes; I've found a simple way to sometimes 'find' these hidden images is to minimize the window file ... then when you 're-open' it, these images appear; I think this is one of the mysteries of the electronic age - if anyone has a reason for this phenomenon, I'm listening as long as it's in layman's terms ;-) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I've often found that even tho images appear to have vanished they are still really there somewhere. That gives at least 2 opportunities; 1. Edit and save without trying to find the images and then see if the images apparently re-appear in the right places when the edited file is opened back in MS Office 2007/2010 2. Hunt around the edges of the pages and move any images you do find anywhere to see if the other images have been hidden underneath as they tend to get piled-up on-top of each other. Regards from Tom :) From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer loses format of MSOffice2007-Doc (watermark, embedded image, format etc) To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 27 July, 2012, 13:50 On 07/27/2012 03:28 AM, Miriyala, Vasu wrote: Hi Forum, Appreciate your pointers or help on how to open the MS office word files in writer while retaining the format of original intact. Currently Libre when opening MSOffice-word2007 docs loses water mark, embedded image, images inserted thru insert features of word 2007 etc Thanks, Vasu I generally have success accurately opening docx format files. Occasionally I get one that I have to open MSO and convert to doc (2003) or ODF 1.0/1.1. Usually it is some graphic layout that causes the problem. This is known issue with LO and AOO. docx file conversions are occasionally difficult because MS is trying to push their proprietary MS Office and makes open the file accurately problematic. If you are using Linux, you might try Calligra Words (probably available in your repository) to see if it is better at opening the file and saving to odt. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibO 3.6.0.2 - Calc: date notation
Hmmm... Year/Month/Day Drop the year for a moment and you have Month/Day: 7/26 Sounds almost... American style. ;-) On 7/26/2012 4:05 AM, Ian Whitfield wrote: (For clarity and ease of reading I always use the 3-Letter month abbreviation. So today is 2012 Jul 26!! Ian W Pretoria, South Africa. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] formatting
the font color. This will change the font color for every slide title in the presentation. What I have described is how Impress has worked for years. --Dan anne-ology wrote: So you're able to change the text on all the slides?; then mine has a bug in it somewhere ... carried over from OO I guess ;-) So, all you computer geniuses, what's the solution? - I'm awaiting your responses now. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote: I don't know anything about the inner workings of LO. I'm actually just a beginner with LO and I had never opened Impress until you posted. The method I described below allows you to change all the slides at the same time, so you only have to make the change once. Of course if you add more slides you need to do it again for the new slides. No, it's not ideal and yes it would be nice if it worked the way you describe. Good idea! On 7/25/2012 8:26 AM, anne-ology wrote: Exactly my point, BUT it has to be done with each slide ;-) It would be nice, if the font was selectable on that initial page when starting a new file ... [would this expand the size of LO even more than it is?; if so, I guess, it's better this way, just frustrating at times.] I've even added more slides than I would need, in order to see if the font color will hold, but it won't ;-) On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote: I missed the part where you were using Impress, I thought you were using Writer. After re-reading your original post and some of the other responses I think I now understand what you really want. I also have not been able to figure out a way to do it exactly as you described, the best I could come up with is to go to the outline tab, select all the text, then change the font. That way, all of your slides will have the same font for that one file. -- Andrew Brager Green Gold Real Estate 1331 Cottonwood Rd Bakersfield, CA 93307 661 412 3304 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Labeling in Calc
Exactly Tom. With Calc, setup cost and time is next to zero, with data entry not much more. With Base setup cost and time is non-negligible and data entry is much more time (and therefore real dollar cost) consuming as each field needs to be filled in by hand when using a form. With a spreadsheet I can actually cut paste the info. from a website directly into Calc. Can that be done with Base? Seems to me that the best solution even if using a database is to first enter into a spreadsheet where it can then be saved as a file of CSV and then imported into a database should I find the need. Bottom line is it's already done in Calc - took about a minute - while doing it in Base requires sitting down and spending time and money on first creating a schema with forms and further, one needs to be a master of SQL which most people including myself are not. (Inner joins, outer joins, left right... haven't a clue. Cut paste? click, drag, shift-click, click, done, repeat as needed - no higher brain power required.) In theory a database is more elegant and conceptually appealing, but in practice a spreadsheet IMHO wins the day. YMMV. On 7/22/2012 7:19 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That is true. So why not use the fastest route to get the required result and stick with spreadsheeting for now? Definitely a good idea to start vaguely thinking about moving to a database program when timeresources permits. Base is not yet ready for masses and does take some fairly considerable expertise to get it right. Set-up is not trivial even if some people find it easy. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 22/7/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote: snip / Please ignore Tom. He is very kind but totally ignorant towards LibreOffice Base which can read spreadsheet data as if they were database data. snip / -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Labeling in Calc
On 7/22/2012 10:34 AM, Andreas Säger wrote: Enter raw data into a spreadsheet (Excel, Gnumeric, Calc, whatever), a text editor, some dBase application, a true database, whatever. Connect a Base document to the tabular data source and design a report. But that's the point isn't it. I've got to enter data into the spreadsheet. We're in agreement. Why must I take the time, expense and trouble to design a report when I can get satisfactory results with a bare minimum of time, expense and trouble using Calc? Clearly, you know Base and designing said report is no big deal for you. I think I may have opened Base once, and I simply don't have the time to learn it, nor the money to pay someone else to do the work for me. Especially not when a solution presents itself in Calc so readily. Yes, your solution is elegant, ideal and based in academia where people have all the time in the world to learn applications and techniques and then design dream or best practice solutions. In the world of business it's about simplicity, speed, expense and return on investment. I can hire a virtual assistant from a third world country for less than $2 an hour, who already knows how to use a spreadsheet (not that cut pasting requires much knowledge), whereas to hire a programmer to design a report would cost in excess of $8 an hour (and everytime I need a change I either have to go find that same contractor who now charges more, or start the interview process all over again; a time consuming task) - plus I still need to hire the assistant that ends up doing just about the exact same (busy) work anyway. So where is the economical benefit to your solution? Your solution works for you because you have not considered the real cost of implementing it. It may be best practice from an academic, engineering and/or scientific standpoint, but from a SMALL business perspective it makes little sense. You've absorbed the cost of your own time and pegged it's value at zero. I'm taking real dollars out of my own pocket and paying someone to do the work. It's the same reason why people hire housekeepers - if the cost of the housekeeper were more than the employers income they couldn't afford to pay the housekeeper for long and would eventually have to clean their own house. You're cleaning your own house and that works for you. Great! I prefer to pay someone so I'm free to focus my time on what I hope are more profitable endeavors. As a matter of fact, database forms (even Base forms) provide much faster and less error prone ways of data entry. In the last 2 years I replaced a dozend of useless spreadsheet lists with simple databases because my users never really got used to spreadsheet editing (navigation, dates, numbers, clear, delete, ...). Spreadsheets are too versatile for untrained users. Wrong data yield wrong results. My databases collect a thousand of manually entered records per month on a local network. So really you're trying to apply a one-size-fits-all approach. My users (1 or 2 assistants) already know how to use spreadsheets so technically they're not untrained, whereas your users do not know how. You collect thousands of MANUALLY entered records per month. I might have maybe a thousand or so records total, which can be cut pasted from website to spreadsheet. My needs are different than yours. Any solution needs to take the customer's needs and unique situation into account and in this case I'm the customer. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Labeling in Calc
On 7/21/2012 10:47 AM, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 20.07.2012 23:50, Andrew Brager wrote: Nevermind, I figured it out. In case anyone else has a similar desire and wants to know... I simply select all the rows I want to belong to a group, add a border around it all, and insert a row above the box I just made. The inserted box contains the label I want; I make sure to turn off word wrapping for that one cell. The component is named Calc because it is a calculator in the first place. It is not a table editor nor database although many people use it that way. Base reports can turn raw, unsorted table data into grouped reports. Thanks for your input. As you say many people use it that way. Since my intent is to have assistants work with it, I'm stuck with what the vast majority of average people know. They know Excel (the MS equivalent as you know). Sadly, they do NOT know Base or any other database application. To learn it would require they be trained and that probably means hiring a computer scientist instead of an assistant, which makes the cost prohibitive. Either that or I design a bunch of forms and predetermined sql statements or hire someone else to do so just so I can hire a secretary. Seems to me that's the long way around when all I need is to group the rows, set a border and add a label. Sure, a database would be the best solution, but it boils down to expediency, convenience and cost so Calc wins out on all 3. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Labeling in Calc
Using Calc, I need a way to specify that a group of rows all belong together/have the same title. For example. Say I have a bank that has multiple branches. Each branch has it's own name like southwest branch, but they're all part of the same bank - Bank of America perhaps. Each branch has it's own row containing branch name, address, phone, etc. but I need a way to tie them all together as being Bank of America, ideally without creating a column that is repeated for all rows. That way, as I'm scanning down the page, I can choose a particular bank and then select a specific branch of that bank. I've tried using the Group function which I kind of like, however there's no way I can find to label the group itself with the bank name. I have to open each group and _still _don't necessarily know which bank it is. I've got a picture in my head that looks like a box which contains all the rows, and the box itself has a caption with the bank name. I'm open to any solution especially a better one. Using a database is not an option. Thank you in advance -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Labeling in Calc
Nevermind, I figured it out. In case anyone else has a similar desire and wants to know... I simply select all the rows I want to belong to a group, add a border around it all, and insert a row above the box I just made. The inserted box contains the label I want; I make sure to turn off word wrapping for that one cell. On 7/20/2012 12:57 PM, Andrew Brager wrote: Using Calc, I need a way to specify that a group of rows all belong together/have the same title. For example. Say I have a bank that has multiple branches. Each branch has it's own name like southwest branch, but they're all part of the same bank - Bank of America perhaps. Each branch has it's own row containing branch name, address, phone, etc. but I need a way to tie them all together as being Bank of America, ideally without creating a column that is repeated for all rows. That way, as I'm scanning down the page, I can choose a particular bank and then select a specific branch of that bank. I've tried using the Group function which I kind of like, however there's no way I can find to label the group itself with the bank name. I have to open each group and _still _don't necessarily know which bank it is. I've got a picture in my head that looks like a box which contains all the rows, and the box itself has a caption with the bank name. I'm open to any solution especially a better one. Using a database is not an option. Thank you in advance -- Andrew Brager Green Gold Real Estate 1331 Cottonwood Rd Bakersfield, CA 93307 661 412 3304 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base fread-only
On 7/18/2012 1:05 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 07/18/2012 03:22 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote: So I'm back in business. But for future reference, how the @#$%! do I make the original read/write or at least get some sort of error message - and yes I've checked the Linux log files for messages - no joy there. All help appreciated. It sounds like the file ownership got messed up. Depending on how comfortable you are with using the terminal I would use the following to change the ownership chown username path-to-file/file.ext For example the file is in your db sub folder of your Documents folder the path is /home/username/Documents/db. The username is your log on name for Ubuntu. May or may not be ownership. The above can't hurt, however if it's purely a permission problem then you probably want to do chmod 644 path-to-file/file.ext depending on your preferences. The above will give read/write permission to the owner, read permission to anyone in your group, and read permission to the world (world being anyone on the same machine as you). Pretty standard permissions but you may want to deny all permission to group and world in which case you'd use 600 instead of 644. I have no idea what the application requires in terms of permissions, this is just a standard unix/Linux command. -- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Duplication/replacement of text attributes
Greetings to you all. I'm new to Libre Office. I'm wondering if there's a way to duplicate/replace attributes from one paragraph to another in so that they are formatted identically. A frequent problem for me (typically when I copy paste from elsewhere) is that two sentences/paragraphs just won't line up properly (perhaps even in a numbered list), I assume due to various formatting reasons including different fonts, sizes, tabs, margins, alignment, and/or anything else that might affect placement and display on the page. They seem to be the same in the original source as far as I can tell, but once copied and pasted to a document in Libre some of the paragraphs seem to get out of wack. Trying to apply the exact same attributes to the paragraph or sentence that's out of wack just doesn't seem to work - probably because I don't know what attributes have been applied and/or simply don't know how to get the same effect in a consistent way. Perhaps there is an attribute tree mode so that I can see what set of attributes has been applied? Either just plain text or perhaps through a graphical representation maybe? I guess I don't need to see it if I can simply apply from one to another - sort of like the eye dropper from a paint program copies the color from one spot so you can apply the same color to another spot only here instead of color, it would be text placement display attributes. Thank you in advance. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
