Re: [libreoffice-users] For the attention of mediators
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022, Samas Brgin wrote: I didn't see any 'propaganda'. I saw expression of a political opinion ... I\u2019m afraid that\u2019s semantic trickery for renaming political propaganda that you agree with. nonsense. if it bothered me I'd ignore it. It bothers me, and it contravenes the norm of email discussion, and I can\u2019t ignore it. that's fair though if it somehow contravenes list norms. would be good to get a reading on this. questionable list 'etiquette' though even if there are no official norms. f. Hello, moderators! -- Verbum sat sapienti. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] For the attention of mediators
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022, Séamas Ó Brógáin wrote: Can something be done about the political propaganda in the recent message from Uwe Brauer? I didn't see any 'propaganda'. I saw expression of a political opinion; I think I've seen political tag lines in other messages to the list. if it bothered me I'd ignore it. hope my tag line doesn't stir controversy! f. -- Verbum sat sapienti. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] searching in Calc does not find anything
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: Good morning For years Crtl+F and then entering entering numbers or words used to find those, if they are in the sheets somewhere. For a few days now trying to find anything, numbers, digits, words ..., ALWAYS gives me "Search key not found", even if the item in question sits right in the middle of the screen. I tried all sorts of settings and options in the search box. Apparently I am not smart enough to figure out what I am missing. I would be grateful for a hint. Thank you Thomas I tried too and the only time Search found nothing was when I had 'Search in Notes' ticked. Also won't find '$30' even if it's in the sheet but that's because of automatic currency formatting. Special case. fjd -- Davis Verbum sat sapienti. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Gmail Saving in Libre Writer
On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Steve Edmonds wrote:
If I leave the drop down box alone and just type into the search field,
the search goes back to the beginning of my emails, 15 years.
I am not sure I have understood the thread so this may be irrelevant
but if you are in gmail, you can easily write a 'filter' which allows
searching on sender, subject (or terms in the subject), content or
dates. you can have it sort mail into folders ('labels' as they call
them).
sorry if I miss the point; ignore.
fjd
> > steve
On 22/07/2019 03:45, charles meyer wrote:
I'm trying to search and then save old gmails in my Libre Writer.
Has anyone found an easy way to search gmails older than just one year.
There's the search box drop down menu where you can search by terms and All
Mail + Spam but the drop down menu for date is limited by one year.
There's a box next to that box where you can play with dates going back 10+
years but that one year box next to it limits the search.
Can you pls share how you've been able (recently) to search all your mails
(or at least all your Sent mails) for the past 10+ years in your gmail
account?
Thank you.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS word doc with tables: spell check does not work
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018, Uwe Brauer wrote: "libreoffice-ml" == libreoffice-ml mbourne writes: > Uwe Brauer wrote: > I assume the word you're typing is spelled incorrectly? Of course the > spell checker will skip over it if spelled correctly in the selected > language. > You could try on the menu Tools > Language > For All Text > Spanish. > If Spanish isn't already listed there select More and then, under the > "Default Languages for Documents" section of the options dialog which > appears, select Spanish and check "For the current document only". > Check that the Spanish dictionary is definitely installed correctly. > In the dropdown box where you select the language, there should be a > tick with "ABC" alongside "Spanish". > If that still doesn't work, it might be worth saving the document in > ODT format, close and then open the ODT version. I don't think that's > likely to make any difference, but you may as well try if nothing else > helps. > If none of that helps, perhaps someone else here with more experience > of working in different languages might have some ideas... Nothing helped, thanks. I presume it is something wired with the fields in the table, the way there were generated by MS Word can you try copying the contents of a field onto the clipboard and pasting them back but using "paste special" and selecting your word processor's format? I have lost track of the thread so forgive if already tried but what about saving the document as LO and then working on it? f. -- Felmon Davis Schenectady, NY -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Glosses in linguistics
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Felmon Davis dijo: On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote: Linguists frequently need to write glosses. Here are a couple examples using Spanish as the source language and English as the language that the author is writing in: Todos iremos a la playa. All.m.pl go.1.pl.fut to the.art.sg.fem beach 'We will all go to the beach.' Juan no sabíaquéhacer. John neg. know.1.sg.imperf what do.inf 'John didn't know what to do.' (Note that there are rules for how the gloss abbreviations are supposed to be abbreviated and used, and for the sake of simplicity in the above examples I did not always follow them rigorously.) Glosses are typically three lines, as in the above examples. If the utterance in the source language and its gloss are too long for one line in the paper you are writing you can just make the utterance two glosses, that would look just like my two examples above. The only way I know to get this right is to use tabs, but the tab spacings have to be changed for each gloss. If you have a lot of glosses in your paper tabs will quickly become a serious pain. would it be possible to use tables? borderless. allow enough columns for a typical gloss? the last row would 'merge' the columns. I thought of tables (which I otherwise use a lot), but tables would be more work than constantly changing tab settings. Part of the problem with tab settings is knowing exactly where the tab needs to be. I remember a very long time ago in WordPerfect? that the exact position of the cursor on the line was displayed in the status bar, or by hovering over it with the mouse. (Or maybe that was in InDesign or Scribus.) If I could get this information, maybe it could be used in a script that would place a tab stop at that position. it occurs to me I may not fully understand your goal. please clarify: (1) you want the relevant elements of text and gloss in the first two lines to be spaced to spaced so that they line up in the same 'column' and you want the columns to have the same spacing? (2) the 3rd line would span the whole field (all the 'columns'). but if you use tabs, lines 1 and 2 do not line up. do I grasp the problem? f. -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Glosses in linguistics
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote: Linguists frequently need to write glosses. Here are a couple examples using Spanish as the source language and English as the language that the author is writing in: Todos iremos a la playa. All.m.pl go.1.pl.fut to the.art.sg.fem beach 'We will all go to the beach.' Juan no sabíaquéhacer. John neg. know.1.sg.imperf what do.inf 'John didn't know what to do.' (Note that there are rules for how the gloss abbreviations are supposed to be abbreviated and used, and for the sake of simplicity in the above examples I did not always follow them rigorously.) Glosses are typically three lines, as in the above examples. Each component of the first two lines must be lined up. Here in e-mail I tried to do this with the space bar, but the results may not appear perfectly as I intended for all people on this list. They don't even appear lined up for me because I use a proportional font in my mail client. The only way I know to get this right is to use tabs, but the tab spacings have to be changed for each gloss. If you have a lot of glosses in your paper tabs will quickly become a serious pain. I searched the Help, but came up empty-handed. Any suggestions? would it be possible to use tables? borderless. allow enough columns for a typical gloss? the last row would 'merge' the columns. I assume glosses are not long sentences with subclauses - how complex can they become? would be unwieldly if glossing James Joyce in my email clients I couldn't quite see the separations as such. f. -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Did a message reply to all?
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018, Robert Großkopf wrote:
Hi Peggy,
Someone told me to use "reply all". I found an option under settings to set
it that way. Either has to be one of the other. I guess I'll have to
remember to uncheck it when I don't want to use it. Some groups don't want
to be bothered with everyone's reply.
"Reply all" will send a reply to the mailinglist and also directly to
the person, who has end the mail to the list. So this person will get to
mails and only needs one.
"Reply to list" (don't know, if it's the right translation ...) will
only send a mail to the mailinglist. This is the right way to
communicate in a mailinglist.
that may be so but I don't think gmail offers that option ("reply to
list"); you have to copy in the address of the list.
f.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 04/30/2018 11:11 AM, James Knott wrote: Recent versions of MS Office are supposed to be able to work with Open Document files. Have you tried to see what happens when you use it with ODF files? Thank you for the suggestion. My personal computer is Linux only, but I'll check it out on the school's computers to see how well MSO reads and writes to .odt. I don't even know what version of MSO the school uses. I shall have to check also. I'll send to some students as guinea pigs. one thing I've observed is that in spite of being a (partly) Linux company, google-drive does not treat .odt files kindly: it seems to list the unzipped contents instead of showing properly formatted text. the school uses google-apps for education, specially designed for use in schools (more privacy, closed environment). f. -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Anniversary upgrade warning - not LO issue
On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, Philip Jackson wrote: [...] It would be nice if I could just create a VB machine and tell it to load the hard disk which already has the workable installation of Windows 10, together with the couple of applications I use from time to time. I know, I know. I suspect it's not possible. when I get some more time maybe tonight I'll dig around more earnestly. By the way, Felmon, why did you reject the distro version of VB and make a direct download from Oracle ? I kept getting errors having to do with missing modules (vboxdrv) and looking around I saw others having the same problem. landed on some posts about using Oracle's so purged the repository stuff and Oracle installed pretty much without a problem (except some errors of misunderstanding on my part). not being used to it everytime I see it, it's a shock - Windows 7 in a tiny little window on a Debian desktop! f. -- Felmon Davis To say you got a vote of confidence would be to say you needed a vote of confidence. -- Andrew Young -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Anniversary upgrade warning - not LO issue
On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, Cley Faye wrote: 2016-12-07 9:10 GMT+01:00 Mike Scott <v...@scottsonline.org.uk>: A windows licence might be tied to hardware, for example. So if I need occasional windows use (eg to update my satnav - g!) but otherwise use linux, dual-boot is a necessity. Such a licence probably wouldn't work in a virtual machine. There's always this possibility: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ also this which I am about to try: <http://lifehacker.com/how-to-dual-boot-and-virtualize-the-same-partition-on-y-493223329> "Once you're finished, you'll be able to reboot into your secondary OS and run it natively, or run it in your favorite virtualization program without having to reboot. You'll get the best of both worlds and you'll never have to decide between the two again." f. -- Felmon Davis Where it is a duty to worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime to examine the laws of heat. -- Christopher Morley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Anniversary upgrade warning - not LO issue
On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, Mike Scott wrote: On 06/12/16 16:32, Tanstaafl wrote: Can't imagine why anyone would mess with dual boot these days with something like Virtualbox available. A windows licence might be tied to hardware, for example. So if I need occasional windows use (eg to update my satnav - g!) but otherwise use linux, dual-boot is a necessity. Such a licence probably wouldn't work in a virtual machine. I don't know about that but you can buy a license relatively cheaply for Windows 7 Pro. haven't shopped for Windows 10. (at best I'd only purchase Windows 10 Pro because of the forced updates.) Windows 7 Pro in a VM seemed to work fine with instant access to wifi, etc. f. -- Felmon Davis What we anticipate seldom occurs; what we least expect generally happens. -- Bengamin Disraeli -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Anniversary upgrade warning - not LO issue
On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, Philip Jackson wrote: On 06/12/16 16:32, Tanstaafl wrote: Can't imagine why anyone would mess with dual boot these days with something like Virtualbox available. Can you point to an easily understandable 'howto' on installing and using Windows in VirtualBox ? Thanks. just did this myself using Oracle: <http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html> I'm on a debian-based system so 'sudo dkpg -i deb' got me going. I have a license for Windows 7 so I pointed VB to the Windows 7 iso. it is almost self-explanatory but have a look at: <https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26217_01/E26796/html/qs-create-vm.html> worked wonderfully until the computer failed (unrelated). f. -- Felmon Davis Unnamed Law: If it happens, it must be possible. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Where is everyone?
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Girvin Herr wrote: Bruce, Thanks for the response. Yes, I have ask.libreoffice.org bookmarked also. It is another resource. This forum has benefited me in the past, and I prefer to stay with it. As I said, I have been away for about 2 years and I was not sure what had happened to the forum in that time. I have spent the last year off-and-on trying to sign up again through my at/yahoo email provider, but my subscription requests have been going into a black hole. I never even got the subscription confirmation replies. I suspected the problem was with at/yahoo again, similar to 2 years ago, so I had a friend, who was not with at/yahoo, test the subscription process and it worked for him. That was when I had proof that the problem was with at/yahoo. I suspect they are blacklisting this forum for whatever reason, but they never told me they were doing it. I am in the process of shutting down my at/yahoo email service and, as you can see in the header, I am in the process of switching to FastMail. They seem to be working fine. Thanks again and take care. Girvin possible cause: "In an attempt to block email spoofing attacks on yahoo.com addresses, Yahoo began imposing a stricter email validation policy that unfortunately breaks the usual workflow on legitimate mailing lists." Lucian Constantin IDG News Service Apr 8, 2014 6:10 AM <http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html> f. -- Felmon Davis How can you govern a nation which has 246 kinds of cheese? -- Charles de Gaulle -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] undo functionality
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, toki wrote: [...] However, in as much as you use American English, the odds are that you think you can file the lawsuit in the United States. Ignoring jurisdictional issues, the OP's email is based in Holland for what it's worth. useful post nonetheless. f. -- Felmon Davis TANSTAAFL -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] anyone knows how to find/replace not-printable glyphs?
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016, Remy Gauthier wrote:
If you need to search and replace paragraph marks and others, you can
use AltSearch (http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/alter
native-dialog-find-replace-for-writer). If have it installed on LO5.1
and it works fine. You look for two end of paragraph characters (select
from the drop-down or type in \p\p)
and replace with just one; repeat until there no more replacements.
Cheers!
Rémy Gauthier.
I wonder about simply using search/replace and remove all end of
paragraph marks ('\n\), replacing them with a mark of one's own like
'#' (as long as it doesn't occur elsewhere in the text); then remove
all consecutive "##' and replace with '\r' or '\r\r'?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/3/2016 10:18 AM, Davis, Felmon <dav...@union.edu> wrote: On Mar 3, 2016 7:19 AM, "James Knott" <james.kn...@rogers.com> wrote: You should be able to configure your IMAP client to download messages for "offline" mode. There is also an archive function. yeah, like I said, got to do my research again. at the time I was wrestling with gmail Google provides a way to download backups of all of your google stuff (calendars, contacts and email) in one fell swoop: https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout thanks. actually I now recall getting this far but for some reason (perhaps distraction) didn't go further. they had just introduced it. will look at it. though I'd love an easy/easier way to mount a google-drive, but that's a different matter and off-topic. https://www.google.com/drive/download/ this is some kind of app? this is not for mounting the drive in Linux. to do that you have to use a complicated job called ocamlfuse <http://www.tecmint.com/mount-google-drive-in-linux-using-google-drive-ocamlfuse-client/3/> it requires several minutes of compilation. it works fine on one laptop but I haven't gotten it to compile on one of other laptop. well, there are other possibilities out there but research time for this stuff is scarce, for now one laptop is good enough. thank you for the ideas! it's like a free lunch of insights! f. -- Felmon Davis Death to all fanatics! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote: My experience with IMAP through a browser is helping friends install Thunderbird, friends who have had there account taken over in AOL, MS Mail and YaHoo. When I install Thunderbird, I suggest to them that it does not require using a browser, greatly reducing the chance of being tripped up on websites. Some have gone to POP, others have stayed with IMAP on Thunderbird and are very happy. The only reason they ever choose IMAP is synchronization. In extending Thunderbird with this capability 1. Make secured e-mails without trusting the the server. Security ends where trust starts. I trust Mozilla to produce a safe POP client and trust LibreOffice would be in kind if they where to take it over. 2. Have Thunderbird POP installed on multiple devices that align themselves to e-mail address(es) securely without the interaction of a server except for PGP. I'm not sure I wholly grasp what you are proposing but this is a bit clearer. the best I can make out, the advantage you seek is to prevent confidential data from sitting on servers open to prying eyes. I don't see how using POP achieves this as it involves a server and as Tansfaafl has pointed out security can be achieved with encryption (whether POP or IMAP, or diskette, or usb drive etc). sorry the tone of the conversation got rude - computer people sometimes are like overly sensitive artists (oops! now I've insulted two crowds!). well, interesing but this topic on this thread is probably at its end. to insure it, I'm saying Hitler likes your ideas! that should do it. f. In regards to LibreOffice 1. Sharing document to online services in the cloud is OK, but why does it have to be Google or Microsoft some other document sharing service. People want to share their information within a limited scope of addressees. If LibreOffice it is already leaning in that direction, why not push it a little more. 2. The graphical interface of LibreOffice has made some huge strides. If LibreOffice took over Thunderbird, wouldn't it be great to have a 'Properties' panel on the right to e-mail. 3. If we already have , why shouldn't it push those changes to a pre-defined list of people automatically via Thunderbird. I just don't believe that because somebody else already did it, it couldn't done better and couldn't be done without a server. Probably more than 80% the of technology is already written in LibreOffice and Thunderbird. It is not starting from zero as has been implied. Thank you for listening Paul On 3/3/2016 4:09 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: Paul, for the benefit of us lurkers trying to follow this discussion, could you in a brief statement explain why you think POP should be preferred? (I believe this is your general point? if not, a clear statement is welcome.) I used to use POP (and it's still set up on a couple of my machines albeit not currently in use) but mainly I'm on IMAP. what I liked about POP was the ease of making local backups of email. it's been a couple of yrs since I've explored options in IMAP but that's probably not a big issue now. anyway, please, just a brief statement of your take would be helpful. and please, no violence, gentlemen -- no violence, I beg of you! Consider the furniture! f. -- Felmon Davis If you mess with a thing long enough, it'll break. -- Schmidt -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
Paul, for the benefit of us lurkers trying to follow this discussion, could you in a brief statement explain why you think POP should be preferred? (I believe this is your general point? if not, a clear statement is welcome.) I used to use POP (and it's still set up on a couple of my machines albeit not currently in use) but mainly I'm on IMAP. what I liked about POP was the ease of making local backups of email. it's been a couple of yrs since I've explored options in IMAP but that's probably not a big issue now. anyway, please, just a brief statement of your take would be helpful. and please, no violence, gentlemen -- no violence, I beg of you! Consider the furniture! f. -- Felmon Davis Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing can ever be made. -- Immanuel Kant -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Felmon, On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last "ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . . ah, guess you missed the clue I was being inclusive. several posts are guilty of it. Then you don't understand what the word means. I take my clue from the OED: 1. intr. To make, or seek to make, proselytes or converts; In extended use: to act as an advocate or proponent of something. 2. trans. To convert or attempt to convert from one opinion, religion, or party, etc., to another [...] As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT because of the particular superstition being proselytised). granted, it wasn't a signature and also the content is inappropriate. so glad this has been settled. f. -- Felmon Davis A man's best friend is his dogma. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last several posts are guilty of it. I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air! anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing! (well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count). f. On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades <p...@pricom.com.au> wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016, Bob Holtzman wrote: On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:29:54PM +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures. The discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years. This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to demonise and vilify Muslims. I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media that demonises and vilifys Muslims. Only in right wing rags. Cite(s) please. perhaps offlist? interested individuals could ask to be copied. f. -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreLogo tutorial
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Robert Funnell wrote:
I'd like to comment on the 2 typographic rules mentioned for English.
(1) Many typographers believe that there should not be 2 spaces after
the period at the end of a sentence. See
http://audilab.bme.mcgill.ca/~funnell/InforMed/Bacon/WP/space.html
frankly most of these 'rules' are basically arbitrary, that is, not
driven by any logical necessity and open to varying aesthetic
preferences.
(it's fun reading the history of the prohibition against using 'they'
as a gender-neutral form as in "if anyone parks their car in the lot,
_they_ should check with security." wikipedia (sit venia verbo!) has a
good piece on the "singular 'they'". or the nonsense about having to
say, "it is I" -- guess anyone can write a grammar book, and they used
to!)
anyway I don't insert two spaces - waste of space (unless required by
editors, etc.).
(2) I don't think it's correct to say that double quotes are used for
one thing and single quotes for another. The rule that I'm familiar
with is that you consistently use whichever you prefer (or whichever
your publisher requires) and then switch to the other style if they're
nested. For example, you might write 'He said "She said 'I did it'"'.
I agree and note only that in one area I'm acquainted with the
singular quote is often used to designate a technical term.
f.
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:
Den 05.12.2015 01:58, anne-ology skreiv:
This first section looks good as is;
but does have a few grammatical errors which I'll point out in
[
] s.
In spite of what some computer users say or do, I'll continue to
stick with proper grammar -
I agree. But I know too little about English grammar and typographic rules
after a period in a sentence there should be 2 spaces even
though
these machines default to only 1;
In HTML double or more spaces becomes a single space. See Mark's reply to
this list. It is a lot of work to add the code '' behind every
period.
and double quotes are for conversations - single quotes - or
in
your Norwegian << >> - would be used for empasis, et.al.
I'll try to remember this.
And BTW - looks as if you've spent a lot of time creating a very
good site & program,
Thank you.
Brian Barker (many thanks to him) has proofread the whole site and sent it
to
me private.
I will use his suggestions together with yours.
It will take some time to code it as I prefer hand coding.
Perhaps because the settings of of my e-mail reader I did not see the film.
Was displayed as '[Image: display film]'.
Kolbjørn
How to open LibreLogo in LibreOffice
The great majority who use LibreOffice do not know there is a Logo
variant
in Writer. There are no direct links to LibreLogo on the menus. The
only
way, I think, is to open a new text document. In the main menu at the
top
of the page, press the View → Toolbars → Logo. This will open the
LibreLogo toolbar. This toolbar contains some buttons to control the
turtle and a command line where you can enter commands. Press on one of
the
buttons to bring up the turtle.
['great' is superfluous ...
'I think' is superfluous; you're the writer therefore this can
either
be left out or changed to possibly or probably ...
'turtle' ...
command line to enter commands.]
[image: vise film]
The Buttons on the Menubar
Every time you press on buttons Backward and Forward the turtle will be
moved 10 pixels backwards or forwards. Buttons Right and Left will turn
the turtle 15º clockwise or counter-clockwise. Button Home moves the
turtle to the starting point in the middle of the page with the head
upwards. Clear screen will remove all drawings from the page. Start and
Stop are used to start and stop the execution of the program. The
command
line is used for entering commands, one line at a time. The button to
the
right of the command line is used to configure all commands with large
letters and to translate the program into other languages. This is not
used in this overview.
[Each time you press on any button - ...
will move ...
backward or forward ...]
If the purpose is to learn programming, only the command line and buttons
to clear the screen and put the turtle back is helpful. The others
buttons
is used to create shapes without programming.
[are helpful. The other buttons are]
--
Felmon Davis
Getting the job done is no excuse for not following the rules.
Corollary:
Following the rules will not get the job done.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Though I sent the email, [Please read this too because I am worrying about you misunderstand my mind]
I wrote him off-list about this (unsubscribing). f. On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Gabriele Ponzo wrote: What is unclear is if you don't want to receive mails about your question or if you don't want to receive mails at all. Because you may have not understood that this is a mailing list. So you'll receive every message from very each sender about every topic, unless you decide to unsubscribe. In that case, you may find instructions for that at botom of each message. I hope to have been clear and helpful. All the best. --- Gabriele Ponzo 2015-10-13 19:37 GMT+02:00 Alexander Y Lee <lovesic73...@naver.com>: Though I request not to reply to me, I appreciate you your help and kindness from the bottom of my heart, but actually, before I ask question via email, I was not familiar with the system of Libre Office's QA system that hundreds to thousands people receive my letter and reply to me. I thought that like other company, one specific main officer replies to me later. But I was astonished by receiving too many emails and constant email alarming. It continued. So, I just really express my gratitude to all people trying to help me. I appreciate that sincerely. And, different from it, I just want to ask you with sincere politeness because constant alarming has been continued. I just mean to ask about that. I really wish that you will not get my lines crossed. if it bothers you, I apologize in advance. In conclusion, my question was solved your help already. I appreciate it very much! Thanks, Have a nice day. Alexander -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse-races. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Brian Barker wrote: At 23:36 10/10/2015 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: People happy with ... Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing lists. Hold on: you suggest that people with opposing views should be silenced? suggesting someone avoids commenting is not the same as silencing them. but like you, I want to hear different perspectives. however, it seems the rhetoric, and heart rates, are rising. the furniture, gentlemen, mind the furniture! we can have an interesting conversation without breaking it. f. Most civilised democracies value the expression of opposing views, even at the highest level. Oh, but despots and dictators don't. Brian Barker -- Felmon Davis When the cup is full, carry it level. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.4.x and Windows 10 testing
On Sun, 2 Aug 2015, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: You are doing a process that will save your data, or so it states. I would back your data up anyways. I had items pinned to the taskbar and they were saved. The apps/packages were still there. With the ISO upgrade, I seem to have one month to go back to Win7, via an option included. But that means that you will need extra space for the Windows.old folder, where Win7 is saved. You have to look for it, but there is a Media Creation Tool that will download/create the ISO file[s] you need so you can upgrade multiple PCs. It will create all 4 home versions - Professional 32 and 64 bit, and Home 32 and 64 bit. I made DVDs of all 4 versions. Mostly, I will be using the 64 bit versions. a caution about the Media Creation Tool according to a knowledgeable fellow over at alt.comp.os.windows-10; using it deletes c:\$Windows.~BT which contains the download of the OS. a packrat may want to have this available. I think it can be re-used on other qualifying systems. mine was a 'clean install' so no original data. it didn't bother the mbr even though the Linux was on the ssd first, grub worked fine. (bear in mind this is part of the 'Insider Preview'.) f. To me, this was better than waiting for my reservation to come in for all my systems. On 08/01/2015 10:04 PM, Tim Lloyd wrote: AAMOI does Windows update LO or do you have to reinstall? I am interested to know the extent of the upgrade? Regards On 02/08/15 10:26, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 1 Aug 2015, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Has anyone on this list[s] have tried Win10 and tested LO 4.4.x on that system? I installed via the so-called 'Insider Preview' on a Thinkpad x120e. I haven't used it very much and I haven't installed LO or OO yet. so far: a) AMD Catalyst program seems broken and I haven't succeeded yet in fixing it and updating the driver for the Radeon 6310. b) system gets unusable if I try to use my usb-connected Logitech trackball, the cursor moves but no responses to clicks; then the keyboard goes wonky so no right or left clicks work from the inbuilt trackpad. c) the default theme and colors seem dour, fonts fuzzy, but so far I can't find a pallette to choose from. there are even worse themes to select from and a limited set of about 8 dour colors. I haven't tried yet to install true-type (that's a separate procedure, right?). d) perforce I have a Microsoft account but I turned off most of the 'call home' features and don't use Cortana or One-drive and so forth but I suspect there's plenty of 'telemetry' going on behind the scenes, not wholly inappropriate for a preview version. e) I can't tell yet about speed and performance, too little usage, but it boots kind of slow but seems ok otherwise. I suspect there are fixes for some of the problems; feel convinced I could improve the display if I could get good drivers. I will be looking at adding some menu background graphics [via Firefox's options]. But in the original default install, the window's look and feel is not good. It just does not look as well as it did when I had the system running Win7. I concur with the above (limited experience with Win7); didn't know about Firefox supplying background graphics? f. -- Felmon Davis Jacquin's Postulate on Democratic Government: No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.4.x and Windows 10 testing
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Has anyone on this list[s] have tried Win10 and tested LO 4.4.x on that system? I installed via the so-called 'Insider Preview' on a Thinkpad x120e. I haven't used it very much and I haven't installed LO or OO yet. so far: a) AMD Catalyst program seems broken and I haven't succeeded yet in fixing it and updating the driver for the Radeon 6310. b) system gets unusable if I try to use my usb-connected Logitech trackball, the cursor moves but no responses to clicks; then the keyboard goes wonky so no right or left clicks work from the inbuilt trackpad. c) the default theme and colors seem dour, fonts fuzzy, but so far I can't find a pallette to choose from. there are even worse themes to select from and a limited set of about 8 dour colors. I haven't tried yet to install true-type (that's a separate procedure, right?). d) perforce I have a Microsoft account but I turned off most of the 'call home' features and don't use Cortana or One-drive and so forth but I suspect there's plenty of 'telemetry' going on behind the scenes, not wholly inappropriate for a preview version. e) I can't tell yet about speed and performance, too little usage, but it boots kind of slow but seems ok otherwise. I suspect there are fixes for some of the problems; feel convinced I could improve the display if I could get good drivers. I will be looking at adding some menu background graphics [via Firefox's options]. But in the original default install, the window's look and feel is not good. It just does not look as well as it did when I had the system running Win7. I concur with the above (limited experience with Win7); didn't know about Firefox supplying background graphics? f. -- Felmon Davis I met a wonderful new man. He's fictional, but you can't have everything. -- Cecelia, The Purple Rose of Cairo -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Gary Collins wrote: I think that register is an important consideration. Colloquial language tends to be in a state of flux and dictionaries will always lag behind. Formal language tends to be far more conservative, and that, I think, is where proper is likely to be a more important consideration. Is either more correct than the other? Not really. It depends on the nature and purpose of the communication. But improper use of words and grammar will, of course, give the impression that the communicator has been poorly educated. (Again, that could be considered a loaded concept.) Where making a good impression is important, dictionaries are very useful tools indeed. /Gary I fully concur. for instance misspelled words don't always impair understanding but they can give a bad impression. I only wanted to say dictionaries are not 'authorities' except as snapshots of actual usage. thanks. f. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2015, 21:48 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: grammar skillfully employed procures meaningful communication, [see below for comments to your comments] yes, 'skillful' is not the same as 'proper'. or let's put it this way, 'proper' is ambiguous. it could mean 'according to some accepted standard' or it could be 'adept'. an act of communication can be 'improper' but apt or 'proper' but inept. some think 'the King and me' is 'improper' and should be 'the King and I'. aside from reasons of gentility they are equally fit to purpose. [pardon the deletions] Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of any community ??? I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. [well, how would you punctuate this sentence? - Woman without her man is helpless (yes, it's an old time example used by probably every English instructor since ... ) It could be 'Woman, without her man, is helpless.' or 'Woman: without her, man is helpless.'] the spoken sentences would be unambiguous. here are some other punctuations: Woman! without her man is helpless. Woman - without her, man is helpless. some grammar 'authority' will favor one, some another. it is pointless to dispute such religious questions. speaking of which: to me it's anathema how Brits sprinkle commas all over their sentences; after all they aren't Germans! f. -- Felmon Davis Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: grammar skillfully employed procures meaningful communication, [see below for comments to your comments] yes, 'skillful' is not the same as 'proper'. or let's put it this way, 'proper' is ambiguous. it could mean 'according to some accepted standard' or it could be 'adept'. an act of communication can be 'improper' but apt or 'proper' but inept. some think 'the King and me' is 'improper' and should be 'the King and I'. aside from reasons of gentility they are equally fit to purpose. [pardon the deletions] Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of any community ??? I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. [well, how would you punctuate this sentence? - Woman without her man is helpless (yes, it's an old time example used by probably every English instructor since ... ) It could be 'Woman, without her man, is helpless.' or 'Woman: without her, man is helpless.'] the spoken sentences would be unambiguous. here are some other punctuations: Woman! without her man is helpless. Woman - without her, man is helpless. some grammar 'authority' will favor one, some another. it is pointless to dispute such religious questions. speaking of which: to me it's anathema how Brits sprinkle commas all over their sentences; after all they aren't Germans! f. -- Felmon Davis Fashions have done more harm than revolutions. -- Victor Hugo -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: One of Charles Lutwidge Dodgson's, Lewis Carroll, purpose in writing the Alice in Wonderland books was to show how the meaning can be misinterpreted when proper grammar is not used. My favorite example is Jabberwocky ;-) but the grammar of Jabberwocky is perfectly correct! Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of any community ??? I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. f. -- Felmon Davis Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will. -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: Thank you; and for some good examples. BTW - here's 'compatibility' as defined by the Oxford Dictionary, which I think is recognized as an authority worldwide ;-) I call dictionary abuse! dictionaries don't prescribe how words _should_ be interpreted, they describe how words _were_ and _are_ used, the latter badly in the nature of the case since they usually lag behind current. people always get this wrong. and Humpty-Dumpty is close, very close, to the truth: - “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” know what I mean? anyway, sorry for the interruption. f. [1a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without problems or conflict 1.1a feeling of sympathy and friendship; like-mindedness 1.2 Computing: The ability of one computer, piece of software, etc., to work with another] To me, fully compatible vs. compatible could parallel identical twins vs. fraternal twins or clarified butter vs. butter or suede vs. brushed leather or wood vs. wooden veneer or ... ... ... ;-) And I guess I'm a detailist - perfectionist if you would; I gave up photography when BW film became impossible to obtain - to me, in composing a photograph I consider all the components yet with color photography - and now with digital images - the detailing is impossible to obtain as it was when dealing with silver. From: toki toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: This is simply a false statement. It's not compatible. That literally depends upon how compatibility is defined. There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different computer. There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible with each other. Jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness. -- Samuel Beckett -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [OT] Operating Environment Survey
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Harvey Nimmo wrote: On Sat, 2015-07-25 at 14:54 -0400, James Knott wrote: On 07/25/2015 09:35 AM, Graham P Davis wrote: We only had log tables; standard slide rules weren't allowed as they were too inaccurate. Drifting a bit more OT, ball-point pens weren't allowed either, only fountain pens. To put this in some sort of perspective, I left school in 1962 aged 18. Did they have slide rules way back then? ;-) We used them in physics and electricity electronics classes. Yes, that was shortly after they finally ditched the abacus and thus ends this excursus into archaic calculation devices. (though I do wonder when people learned to use fingers or digits to count...g.) f. -- Felmon Davis A stitch in time saves nine. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015, toki wrote: Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as ubiquitous as they were. In 1967 the Philco-Ford Corporation released a short film titled 1999 A.D. In it the inevitable advances of the future are demonstrated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRxqg4G-G4 warning: proceeded by an advertisement. f. -- Felmon Davis What's the use of a good quotation if you can't change it? -- The Doctor -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Err, i tend to stick with Unity for myself. Some of my work-colleagues couldn't cope with the simplicity and the way it doesn't look like Xp or Win7. So i had a quick look at KDE again and was surprised at how fast it's become. It even out-performed Cinnamon and Mate and even LXDE on many of our ancient machines AND it looked quite similar to Xp/Win7. Quite a few people found it much easier to use. people who liked kde3 might try an active development of it called Trinity Desktop https://www.trinitydesktop.org/; I favor a branch called exegnu http://exegnulinux.net; I think both make a livecd/usb. it is debian-based and you may have to do a couple of things to get the wifi drivers for your system. my only association with these projects is as a contented user. mileage may vary. f. So i've been using it myself quite a bit and found how to fix some of the inevitable teething problems in any 'new' system. Any system needs a bit of tweaking in order to get it working the way anyone would be happy with so i've been finding a few of those out for myself. However i really like Unity now [shrugs]. For me the big advantage of KDE is that now i can do more distro-hopping and try out many different distros while keeping a fairly familiar Gui/DE/Window-manager. Regards from Tom :) On 18 July 2015 at 22:59, Tom Williams tomd...@comcast.net wrote: On 07/18/2015 11:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Something i really appreciate most about Linux is that it's so easy to change the gui - or more importantly that if you don't like the crazy new things that have been done to the gui then you can fairly easily go back to the old one or on to something else entirely. The under-laying system remains the same. Back in the day, I used to have 3 or 4 window managers I used to switch between. lol As for Windows 8's metro, I mean modern UI, I'm not digging it and I never have. The other Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Advice is a dangerous gift; be cautious about giving and receiving it. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015, Thomas wrote: Although I know, this does not belong here, just a word. I have been trying (STRUGGLING) to move away from MS and get friendly with Linux for 7-8 years now! So far with little success. Yet, I still keep trying. this makes me wonder what the top two or three things are that people find hard in adopting Linux. I don't want to count the yrs I've used Linux. I was never a full-time user of Windows, I used OS/2 before Linux and Desqview on some version of DOS before that. for the most part I'm barely aware of the operating system: launch a program and work or play is my mode. never gave up command-line habits either, the pictures confuse me like holding a conversation via charades. f. -- Felmon Davis In most instances, all an argument proves is that two people are present. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Notice to Appear in Court
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015, Cley Faye wrote: 2015-04-19 20:48 GMT+02:00 toki kantoor toki.kant...@gmail.com: The scary thing is that despite being sent to the wrong email address, the intended recipient is presumed to have been legally served, n most parts of the United States. I doubt that anyong was the intended recipient. I got the exact same mail as spam, outside of the LO list. it's also weird it came from a 'county court' in Brazil! f. -- Felmon Davis All you need to know is the user interface. -- J. Redford -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LIBRE OFFICE DOWNLOAD.
On Mon, 9 Feb 2015, Kevin O'Brien wrote: And I would add to what Tom said, that it is prudent to leave MSWorks on your machine until you are certain that you won't need it again. All you might want to do for now is change the default program for opening your files. Regards, isn't there a Works format that only Works can read or anyway only Office? am I mistaken? if I am not mistaken, then the OP must keep it until they convert their Works stuff. if I am mistaken, this email is a waste of electrons. f. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) You can keep and use both LibreOffice and MS Works on the same machine as each other. It helps you handle a wider variety of different formats as each is better at certain types of formats. Regards from Tom :) On 9 February 2015 at 17:40, jaxmail2...@gmail.com jaxmail2...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Thank you for your prompt answer. I have now downloaded LibreOffice and will use whenever possible. Regards, Jack ---Original Message--- From: James Knott Date: 02/09/15 17:12:00 To: users@global.libreoffice.org; jaxmail2...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LIBRE OFFICE DOWNLOAD. On 02/09/2015 11:09 AM, jaxmail2...@gmail.com wrote: Hello LibreOffice, I am considering downloading LibreOffice. Could you please advise me if I can consequently uninstall Microsoft Works without detriment to my existing previous saved letters etc.? Yes, you can install LibreOffice and then uninstall Works at your convenience. Please ensure you download only from www.libreoffice.org or one of it's mirrors. Getting it from elsewhere may install some malware on your computer. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Kevin B. O'Brien zwiln...@gmail.com http://google.me/+kevinobrien Facebook is Evil. Cancel your account. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Engineers... They love to change things. -- Leonard McCoy MD -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: PDF Extnension for Libre Office/Writer or Open Office
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, CVAlkan wrote: Re: several of the things Anne-ology talks about: This list is only for programs I have used under Linux that have some of or all the capabilities she talks about. pdfSAM - SAM stands for Split And Merge; the interface is rather user-hostile, but it does a good job of allowing you to grab arbitrary pages from one or multiple documents and get them assembled into a new pdf. pdf Chain - similar, but permits specified pages to be rotated, and allows you to add background stuff (e.g. a transparent image saying DRAFT) to the output. I'd add pdftk which does a lot of the above. in addition it allows encryption. F. pdf Mod- similar to the others, and also allows you to change the document properties (edit or remove title, author, keywords, and such things). It also allows rotation of arbitrary pages. pdf-Shuffler - permits you to crop selected pages by percentage (separate spec for top, bottom, and each side - I use this to get pdf files onto my Nook Color with the smallest margins possible to avoid having to keep stretching each page while I'm reading). Again, there are some quirks in the user interface, such as how one needs to click the beginning page and end page to set a range - the column layout makes this work somewhat strangely, but you get used to it quickly). As others have already said, pdf is really not similar to other file formats in that each page is a separate chunk, although the elements can be manipulated to a certain degree. It's similar to saving a paper copy of the document as a universal reference in that no matter how MS or TDF change formats (or like all those dearly departed earlier companies did), you'll still have something that can be printed (although not easily edited) in the future. Maybe... If you choose to embed the fonts used in the original (at least all of the characters in use), this can be quite useful. Sending a pdf to someone is almost guaranteed to permit them to read it without going through all the hoops necessary to convert to another format. Again, mostly... I hope this helps. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/PDF-Extnension-for-Libre-Office-Writer-or-Open-Office-tp4134190p4134506.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Felmon Davis We buy junk and sell antiques. -- sign in country store -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: PDFs
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, anne-ology wrote: what ??? In actually printing the data - (in my experience) - from a PDF file, there's a lot of blank pages, gobbledegook, extraneous lines criss-crossing, as well as extremely wide margins - all of which not only wastes paper but makes for a quite messy printed page(s). So other than those who think they're ecrypting the data why does anyone use a program which makes such a mess - and as for encrypting the data; well, I've been able to open any of these PDFs without waiting for whatever code - after receiving whatever codes, the outcome is never any better. I wonder what is going on here. I don't experience _any_ of this. of course, if the composer of the pdf set the margins wide (or narrow) that will show up in the pdf (as it's supposed to). how do you open them for reading? for my part I couldn't work at all well without pdfs, pretty much indispensable. F. From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:42 AM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: PDFs To: users@global.libreoffice.org Am 30.12.2014 um 03:16 schrieb anne-ology: Thank you for this information - I did not realize that PDFs were not merely a strange sort of word document ;-) (I have not liked PDFs; have not understood the continual use of them - although some seem to encrypt them) _Any_ software able to send print jobs can generate PDF by sending the print job to a software rather than a print device. And that very same _Any_ software is the software to edit your data and then send another print job to the PDF generator exactly like you would print new paper sheets after editing the original data. PDF is not a document format. It is a virtual print out designed to look exactly like a physical print out _regardless_ of the editing software being a word processor, graphics program, web browser, computer aided design suite, desktop publishing software, charting/plotting/rendering whatever software. If it can print sheets of paper, it can also print PDF. You can not edit the output of arbitrary software with your word processor. The PDF extension which dissembles arbitrary PDF chunks into Draw elements is a master piece. Of course, it does not fulfill the high flying expectations of the united front of ignorants. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis We buy junk and sell antiques. -- sign in country store -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a dictionary with libreoffice from a simple TXT-file
On Thu, 25 Dec 2014, hdv@gmail wrote: On 2014-12-25 07:17, Constantine wrote: Brian, you are unbelievable!!! While I solved the problem with my very sloppy trick and was writing my mail in order to inform you about it, you were looking for a correct solution and writing this very long and very very detailed answer. I am just speechless. I saved all of your instructions, not twice but three times and also printed them out. They are priceless. These expressions are things that I need very often and very badly when working on my translations and they will make my life much easier in the future. I know, that even if I had spent 30 more hours studying the manual, I would probably never have come to such clean expressions. Thank you for everything. I really hope I can do something for you in the Hi Constatine, I am a bit late in the thread to help you with this specific case (glad to see it is solved), but I'd like to suggest something. I think you wrote that you are working on a Linux system and are willing to learn. In that case one of the best things you can do to help yourself with similar problems in the future is to look into vim and especially into regular expressions too. Your replacement needs would have been something that regular expressions would have helped you with a lot. In particular things like postive/negative lookahead/lookback. If vim is not your thing, then Emacs might be more to your liking. Both can be a tremendous help with any problem that has to do with text. It will take some effort to learn vim/Emacs and regular expressions, but it will be worth every second. Grx HdV did I misread the thread? I thought the solutions Brian produced _did_ use regular expressions only within the context of LO. not a big reg exp man myself but I probably would have attempted it with 'sed' which is also an 'editor' I guess. subsequently Constantine points out he was exhausted and I very much know what it means to be stuck barking up the wrong tree! after a bit they all look the same. F. -- Felmon Davis The best way to make a fire with two sticks is to make sure one of them is a match. -- Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Using LO Writer to edit HTML
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Yes, a text editor helps for some editing of an HTML file. Yet, for some work I need a WYSIWYG editor for the look and feel of the web document. I use Kate [Ubuntu based Linux Mint] for the text editor. I use it for the Find/Replace option to change 91 links from [say] 4.3.3.2_ to 4.3.4.1_. That takes too much time in a WYSIWYG editor, or at least the ones I have used. Currently I use Kompozer, but when I upgrade from Mint 16 to 17 [14.04 based] and beyond, the graphical display methods do not like the upgraded version that Ubuntu 14.04/14.10 now uses. So I will be looking for a different DEDICATED web page editor. Yes, Writer can do the HTML editing, but I would prefer a WYSIWYG editor that was created specifically for web page editing and hopefully with error checking options. I haven't followed the thread with great care so I may have overlooked a reference to 'bluefish'. http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html I haven't used it in quite a spell so this isn't a 'recommendation', just a reference to a tool which might be of use. it is not, I think, wysiwyg as such but it will open your browser for inspection of results. (looking at the website it seems it may open your page within bluefish but I'm skimming too fast to be sure.) see what you think. (apologies if this has already been considered.) F. On 11/13/2014 07:29 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 11/13/2014 06:39 AM, Ian Whitfield wrote: Hi Kolbjoern Thanks for the reply. The document already exists - so I'm selecting 'File Open', I change the File Type to 'HTML Document (Writer)' and select my file. It then opens in view mode - So how do I get to the code to edit it?? I just tried it again, and I think I see your problem. I did exactly as you did, and the HTML source option did not appear on the View menu. I think the problem is that, when opening the file, you are changing the File Type to HTML Document (Writer). When you do that, all you get is a WYSIWYG display along with no HTML source option. So, I tried it again, but instead of changing the file type to HTML Document (Writer) I kept it at All types. Then when I opened an HTML file, I saw the source code instead of the WYSIWYG display. Not sure if this is intended behavior or a bug. (All this said, I agree with Tom that I would use a regular text editor to edit HTML code. Gedit works nicely on my Ubuntu machine.) Virgil On 11/13/2014 01:18 PM, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: When saving your document, select HTML Document (Writer) (.html) in the File type: drop down list in the Save dialog. Kolbjoern Den 13.11.2014 11:18, skreiv Ian Whitfield: Hi All Can I get some help on this please?? I have read about, and looked-up, the possibility of editing HTML documents in Writer but can not get it to work!! No matter what I do I can not fine 'HTML Mode' or 'View HTML' as talked about ion the help files. I can load my document but can not get at the HTML code. What am I missing or doing wrong?? I'm using LO 4.3 on PClinuxOS (latest) Thanks for any help. IanW Pretoria RSA -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice forks
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Werner wrote: But I should have said: StarOffice which later became OpenOffice and then LibreOffice forked off OpenOffice. In other words it is the 'new' thing which is a 'fork' and the 'original' stays the original:). I think we flogged this to death:) Werner so stick a fork in it? F. -- Felmon Davis I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when you looked at it in the right way, did not become still more complicated. -- Poul Anderson -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO Writer (Linux): Way to do text search in set of documents?
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmm, sadly Writer doesn't seem to do quite the same thing as GEdit. With GEdit i could; 1. select all 10 files, 2. right-click to open in GEdit, 3. do the search in any of the documents 4. Ctrl z to close that document and arrive in the next automatically 5. when i open the find dialogue it already has the search criteria i used in the last document Sadly with Writer i'd have to copypaste the criteria each time. I guess that's another argument in favour of tabbed UI Regards from Tom :) I am sure I'm not quite following what is ultimately wanted but about opening multiple copies, but suppose I have a directory containing the desired files, say, 1.doc, 2.doc, Another.doc; is there a verbot against going into the directory and doing soffice *.doc at the commandline? or does this not work? but pardon and ignore me if I'm way off-target. F. On 30 August 2014 12:01, Maurice maur...@bcs.org.uk wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:35:05 +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote: There could be a feature request. In the existing find and replace dialogue to have an option All open documents. Mmm. Will take a look at how to make such a request. You need only have the documents opened in LO and working on multiple documents you can search and replace them as one. Well, if, say, there are 10 documents in the list to be searched, how would one open all 10 conveniently? -- /\/\aurice -- Felmon Davis Once a word has been allowed to escape, it cannot be recalled. -- Horace -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO Writer (Linux): Way to do text search in set of documents?
2014 11:44:31 -0500, Don Pobanz wrote: I find it very useful for finding a word or phrase within my odt documents. Thank you, Don, but that only shows which files contain the search string. (It's likely that all files in the list will contain at least one occurrence of the string.) That would be a start, but what I am looking for is a means of seeing the string as if Writer was showing the file contents, so that I can see the surrounding text. (Equivalent to joining all the doc's into one big file, then doing a Find. Perhaps I shall have to do the joining manually...) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Good judgement comes from experience, which comes from bad judgement. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Proofreading problems...
fellows, sorry for the bad form of not quoting the thread! won't happen again! very, very obvious thing to check but maybe worth mentioning: doesn't one have to check something called 'changes' or whatever (don't have the program here) to see comments? I hate the whole commenting facility as such, and it is tricky between different word processors. F. -- Felmon Davis If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans. -- Woody Allen -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-announce] ...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, anne-ology wrote: curiously wondering when you became hall-monitor ;-) the discussion is getting silly and an issue of etiquette is now running the risk of serious logic abuse. every list I know of has the occasional strictly OT posts. and as Rob Jasper points out they can serve a good purpose (and some of us are interested in them). if kept within bounds I can't see the harm and they certainly shorter-lived and less harmful than this discussion! I add to it in the hope of contributing to its end! F. -- Felmon Davis I live the way I type; fast, with a lot of mistakes. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Nitpicking on a name
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le 27.07.2014 23:46, Urmas a écrit : Charles-H. Schulz: On this list people call LibreOffice LO. We -sorry to take on my founder's hat here- never called LibreOffice LO. Right, you have fixed all the bugs, got a functional parity with Microsoft Word 2.0, and have a chance to bitch about the acronym. Cheers. Absolutely, I do have that chance. Only an absolute moron who hides his or her own name behind pseudos like you to insult people can think that a software can have all of its bugs fixed. As for the feature parity with Word 2.0, we have obviously passed that stage before OpenOffice.org 1.0; and if it was so easy, if it is that easy, why don't you go start your own office suite and leave everyone else alone? What pleasure do you take out of insulting people? Are you that much of a pervert, are you that much lonely and screwed up that you can spend that much time around here bitching against the software and the people around it? How about looking for a solution to your own problems, to the very fact that you are in such pain and misery that you use a pseudo to go around and insult people online? Your life must be a terrible experience and you have better to do than lingering around here, so STFU. Charles. gentlemen, I suggest this discussion be taken off-list where you can pursue it much more effectively. F. -- Felmon Davis QOTD: How can I miss you if you won't go away? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] incompatibilida
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think the translator changes LO to SD. LO = LibreOffice ah, not 'sexual disease' then? I thought rather something about an 'sd card'? I'm amused at those online 'translators' which produce self-evident nonsense. I like the mistranslation of the misquote from Anacharsis. (I looked up wikipedia's rendering which is terrible! maybe they used an online translator! makes sense at least though.) f. When you start-up LibreOffice, if you get the Document Recovery pop-up then just Cancel. The document should open normally even without being recovered. Regards from Tom :) On 19 June 2014 16:53, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know what you're now asking - someone else on this list, who does know, may eventually respond to you; or you could try the Spanish list - this is the English list. I've attempted to translate your messages - [shown below yours] I've attempted to send you to a helpful site - but since that is in English, I now assume you couldn't understand it - I'm sorry; and hope that someone will be able to answer your questions anon. From: Rafael Rodríguez rafel2000s...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] incompatibilida To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Discúlpeme la insistencia: *¿Alguna solución para poder usar el programa?.* La ley es una telaraña que detiene a las mosacas y deja pasar a los pájaros. *Anacarsis.* -- translated: Excuse insistence:.. Any solution to use the program stock The law is a web holding the mosacas and let the birds Anacarsis. 2014-06-18 14:06 GMT+02:00 anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com: I don't know what SD is? To keep your machine clean, be sure to have a good, up-to-date A-V program ... etc. [Avast! is ranked among the top] clean the build up of junk with something like CCleaner; [http://www.techsupportalert.com/ is a good site to peruse] From: Rafael Rodríguez rafel2000s...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] incompatibilida To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Disculpe mi ignorancia, falta de pericia informática: - ¿Qué es SD?. - ¿Que problemas puede tener la máquina?¿cómo limpiarlos?. Gracias por la atención prestada. La ley es una telaraña que detiene a las mosacas y deja pasar a los pájaros. *Anacarsis.* -- translated: Excuse my ignorance, lack of computer expertise: - What is SD - What problems can have the machine how clean free Thanks for your attention The law is a web holding the mosacas and let the birds. Anacarsis. 2014-06-18 1:46 GMT+02:00 anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com: From where did you download LO? the best - and safest - site is the LO site itself. Suggestion: delete what you presently have; clean your machine of any possible problems; THEN go to the LO site - libreoffice.org - and download the correct package. Hoping this helps, From: Rafael Rodríguez rafel2000s...@gmail.com Date: 2014-06-17 16:17 GMT-05:00 Subject: [libreoffice-users] incompatibilida To: users@global.libreoffice.org Tengo instalado LIbre Office, desde anteayer no funciona, intenta abrirse, se cierra, aparece la ventana de un documento por recuperar, ce cierra y se acabó. Intento repararlo y me indica incompatibilidad. Que puedo hacer para seguir utilizándolo. -- translated: I have installed LIbreOffice from yesterday does not work, try to open, is closed, the window appears to recover a document, it closed and It's over. Try to repair it and it indicates incompatibility. What can I do to keep using it. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Any two philosophers can tell each other all they know in two hours. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
On Fri, 23 May 2014, Doug wrote: On 05/23/2014 02:53 AM, David Love wrote: MR ZenWiz mrzen...@gmail.com wrote: The longest word in any English language is the name of a small town in Wales - Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyantysiliogogogoch (see Wikipedia if you're curious about what and where this is). I had thought it was 56 letters, but this one is 59. Hmm. Sorry, that's the second longest. The longest is in the North Island of New Zealand. Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu (85 letters) which means The summit where Tamatea, the man with the big knees, the climber of mountains, the land-swallower who travelled about, played his nose flute to his loved one See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long_place_names David I would have to say that the big word above is not English. German is a language where there really _are_ long words in the language, since German, much more than English, strings words together to make longer ones. We have things like fireplace and carwash. (Fireplace translates directly: Feuerplatz.) If you ask the average German what is the longest word, he is likely to tell you, Oberweserdampfschiffahrtgeschäftskapitän which also happens to be the name of a song! (Perhaps the word was invented by the songwriter?) Translating, it means the Upper Weser excursion boat company captain. But my German teacher, eons ago, told me about a word of 100 letters, involving a a miscreant Hottentot from Trödelstadt who was jailed in a latticework kangaroo cage for killing his mother-in-law. I suppose it might actually have existed, back when Germany had a presence in Africa. --doug we do it too in English but disguise the fact. we write airport parking garage manager instead of airportparkinggaragemanager. F. -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
On Thu, 22 May 2014, anne-ology wrote: yes, there are homonyms in the English language - which allows for puns; a concept which many languages do not understand, yet adds humour to others ;-) I've always enjoyed the pun; still do. Now, for a bit of English grammar history: it's derived from the Latin Greek - as were the Romantic Germanic languages; the Germanic languages were not derived from Latin and Greek, they are a separate branch of Indo-European. however Germanic languages were also influenced by Latin and then French as English was. in German people (at least of a certain generation) sometimes say a word derived from Latin and add in German - the Latinate word sounds a bit fancy, the German near-equivalent sounds more 'down-to-earth'. but they don't seem to have our category of 'four-letter words which, btw, are sometimes anglo-saxon (Germanic) words like 'ficken' or 'scheisse'. (there is one word my partner forbids me to say though.) anyway, yes, language is fun. back to our regularly scheduled OT. F. spelling was not initially formalized due to this conglomeration, so the idea of a dictionary came about; Samuel Johnson wrote his formal dictionary; then in the 19C, things were still informal, so the idea for the OxfordEnglishDictionary was formed; then Daniel Webster decided to write his dictionary excluding the niceties in spelling of the OED because he wanted to eliminate 'the British' from the language ;-) BTW - Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (Lewis Carroll), others, had some interesting bits re. this continual squabble between the British the States; his Jabberwocky is a gem of a poem. Just a bit of trivia for y'all ;-) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Date: Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary To: users@global.libreoffice.org English sucks as a language anyway. It's a conglomeration of words grafted on from many other real languages that mostly still adhere to the rules of the original language. The result is that English has no consistent rules without the ever present, Except, word. This paragraph contains one of the prime examples. I almost all cases adding apostrophe s on the end of a word denotes ownership, i.e. Tom's car, but to indicate ownership with the word it the 's' is added without the apostrophe. Of course its could also indicate multiple quantities of its. Then there are words like disgruntled. Has anyone ever been gruntled? Then too as in also, two as in one more then one, and to as in where you are going. There's lead as in the heavy metal, lead as in being shown the way, lead as in showing the way. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. -- Sean O'Casey -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
On Tue, 13 May 2014, Tom Cloyd wrote: [...] I don't think Virgil is doing this for fun. I don't think the respondents think their responses are meaningless. Seriously now: who in their right mind is interested in the practices of those who bother to respond to this would-be survey? What possible importance can be attached, at all, to their responses? I don't get it. If there isn't some degree of belief that this matters (which is cannot, as I've previously explained), what's the point? it's called 'getting acquainted with people in a group'. people do this at parties too. hard to see what's objectionable about it unless one doesn't like parties. (I don't mean political parties.) F. -- Felmon Davis Grief can take care of itself; but to get the full value of a joy you must have somebody to divide it with. -- Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014, charles meyer wrote: Might anyone on the list be using a Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2? I've been enjoying a Dickens of a time trying to get it to sync with my PC so I can transfer a video file *from* the tablet to the PC. Samsung tech support has been abysmal and Google results have been mostly older posts for older tablets or for transferring files *from* a PC to the tablet that don't work for transferring a video file *from* the tablet to the PC. Thank you, have you tried saving the file to the (external) sd card and slipping it into your pc? can you install ssh on the tab? can you save it to the 'cloud', e.g. google-drive and download it to the pc from there? F. -- Felmon Davis Only through hard work and perseverance can one truly suffer. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014, charles meyer wrote: I only have a standard sd card - tablet requires a micro sd card and the process look complicated on this tablet. The material can not be shared via cloud. I don't know what ssh is? Or where to find it? you've gotten some good answers. (also I meant a micro sd card, you do need the little adapter, we're assuming you have the slot for microcards in your laptop). I don't think ssh is hard to use and there are plenty ssh programs in Android but I should have said sshfs which allows you to make a folder on an remote computer show up as a folder on the local. but the other suggestions may well easier, I don't know, I assume (!) it is easy to set sshfs up in Windows. sometimes directly connecting via usb cable is dead simple, sometimes you have to install some special drivers, mtp I think it's called. now you know there are many effective ways to transfer files. F. The inadequate tech support had me download KIES software which never connected my PC to the tablet after installing it. On 4/11/14, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Fri, 11 Apr 2014, charles meyer wrote: Might anyone on the list be using a Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2? I've been enjoying a Dickens of a time trying to get it to sync with my PC so I can transfer a video file *from* the tablet to the PC. Samsung tech support has been abysmal and Google results have been mostly older posts for older tablets or for transferring files *from* a PC to the tablet that don't work for transferring a video file *from* the tablet to the PC. Thank you, have you tried saving the file to the (external) sd card and slipping it into your pc? can you install ssh on the tab? can you save it to the 'cloud', e.g. google-drive and download it to the pc from there? F. -- Felmon Davis Only through hard work and perseverance can one truly suffer. -- Felmon Davis In love, she who gives her portrait promises the original. -- Bruton -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Documents, Office Suites, and the Underwood
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 3/26/2014 6:08 AM, James E Lang wrote: Hi, Tom and others. I am finding this discussion to be intellectually stimulating though I have no idea as to the mechanics involved in developing or using master documents. What you write about saving time is most likely very true. However I have probably never written a document with more than about a dozen paragraphs and I have no idea where to look for the study materials that you say can be read in ten minutes thus immediately saving twenty minutes to an hour. Having shouted the glories of styles, let me also say that their benefit comes from doing the same types of documents over and over again. If I were using Writer to create a wide variety of (relatively short) documents, then styles might make me go mad. To use them properly would require me to create dozens of templates and styles covering every type of possible situation. That might take far more time than just typing the dang letter and hitting ctrl-p. thank you for injecting this into the discussion. the use of styles is not primarily a matter of inducing uninitiated into a new technology, it's a matter of fitness to purpose (in my opinion). for one thing, in OO and LO one is always using a style, the 'default style', but if you mostly write short bits then probably don't need styles (the default style suffices) though I myself change the default to indent the first line of new paragraphs and change font face and size to what I prefer. more complicated work or specially formatted jobs prosper from styles. I bring out a bound volume of essays every yr and shudder to think what would be involved without a basic template for it. As for master documents, I wouldn't go down that road unless I were doing a truly massive project, in which one minor corruption could ruin the entire document. I have found master documents a bit unwieldy for my essay collection project. the essays come from diverse authors so I have to do a fair amount of individual editing. then a good template cuts down on some of it and it's just as easy (for me) to pull it all together into one book (file). F. Virgil -- Felmon Davis Include me out. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HOW CAN I CONVERT A NUMBER IN LibreOffice CALC TO TEXT IN LibreOffice CALC?
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: [...] P.S. Google Translate was used several times when I wrote the crap above, and still I didn't get it right… I know, nobody wants to know, but those didn't read this anyway. D.S. whatever, your English is pretty much as good as the native speakers' on this list. (and you know it.g) F. -- Felmon Davis Wishing without work is like fishing without bait. -- Frank Tyger -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 01:37:52PM +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Such attitude is dying out. Modern devices almost entirely force people into top-posting and almost all people new to mailing-lists will have no idea about the possibility of doing anything other than top-posting. Some allow users to reconfigure their devices to bottom-post but it's beyond most users. That doesn't mean they can't/shouldn't learn. I wholly concur that top-posting is a scourge and especially if the post is not trimmed; sometimes I just skip posts since I cannot figure out what in the long tail of to and fro the poster is referring and replying to, esp top-posted one-liners that make no sense. it's just not worth it. and Tom's post here is irrelevant to the issue why one _should_ bottom-post, trim and put comments in-line but he provides valuable understanding of the forces against the practice. I don't see that we all will come to agreement so that cannot be the point of these discussions. I think we could give them some point if the one side would provide a succinct summary of what it considers good reasons for top-, and the other side provides good reasons for bottom-posting. at least that would or can shed light on the issues and lessen the heat. maybe. people will make their own judgments, some will change their practices, most won't of course but we'll (or may) get beyond tossing salad or shotputs or whatever. we could write a page somewhere and give a link to it whenever the topic a-flames again. (I'm stopping here; maybe this is middle-posting?) F. Bottom posting requires a ton of extra work such as trimming and such which office workers really do not have time for. it might have been a better system but we let MS dictate how we do emailing and now we have to live with that or accept increasing unpopularity. I really hope you don't mean that trimming is a waste of time. Ever see a reply to a digest message that quoted the whole digest. What fun. Hopefully this mailing list helps people learn that bottom posting is widely used in Open Source projects and helps them become more familiar with doing so. Other successful gateway projects also use top-posting a lot, for example Firefox, Ubuntu and others. Ones that remain unpopular or have a hard time attracting new people (such as Evolution) insist on bottom posting and sees almost all enquirers leave rather than become involved. It is sad but we kinda have to live with the way things are rather than the way we might prefer them to be. That outlook would mean that we (US) would still be under British rule. Tell it to any country that has overthrown an autocratic ruler. ...snip... There is a special spot in hell for people who overquote *including multiple sigs and footers*. -- Felmon Davis It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse-races. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?
And a good job of trimming the post too! I wonder, does top-posting promote sequential reading of the argument? alright; just having fun now. this is losing all point. winter is getting to us. F. On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, anne-ology wrote: Well said, Peter. From: Peter West li...@pbw.id.au Date: Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately? To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 6/02/2014 5:31 am, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 01:37:52PM +, Tom Davies wrote: Bottom posting requires a ton of extra work such as trimming and such which office workers really do not have time for. Trimming is a sensible thing to do, whichever way you post. It's work for the poster, not the reader, and top-posting is a benefit for the reader, not (primarily) the poster. . I really hope you don't mean that trimming is a waste of time. Ever see a reply to a digest message that quoted the whole digest. What fun. But doesn't trimming undermine the argument? How can the discussion be read sequentially when bits of it have been deleted? -- Felmon Davis You will experience a strong urge to do good; but it will pass. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?
On Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Brian Barker wrote: At 09:58 04/02/2014 +1000, Peter West wrote: It mystifies me that some ossers become tossers on this particular topic, ... Whatever value your argument might have had, you destroy it by being abusive and using an ad hominem argument, of course. It is thus surprising that you should choose to do this. jeez, these days no one knows what an 'ad hominem' argument is! an 'ad hominem' attempts to prove a point against (or for) X by basing the point on some logically irrelevant aspect of the person claiming X. e.g. you only say we should bottom-post because you are a tosser. (whatever a 'tosser' is, is that a kind of shot putter?) that wasn't the case here as Peter based his point on a different argument (albeit one I find thoroughly unconvincing but not because I'm a shot putter). name-calling does not invalidate an argument else, p implies q, therefore not (p and not-q), you tosser! would be invalid. just saying F. -- Felmon Davis Blutarsky's Axiom: Nothing is impossible for the man who will not listen to reason. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Most products have numerous well-known competitors. Normally an offer of a free trial-period is marketed to state that after just a short time of using their product you will see how much better it is than x, y, z because of a, b, c. So they even name some of their competition, drawing attention to the alternatives you could try instead. When MS offer a free trial it is not made clear that people could choose an alternative. The only option seems to be to either buy their product or not use any word-processor or office programs. There is no crap-shoot because none of the other choices are known. It's not akin to the shareware idea at all! However, I think people (incl me) have been too heated about this. It's not the same as a drug-dealer giving a freebie to get someone hooked. People are not held hostage. I only want to comment on this last bit but didn't want to delete the preceding and subsequent context. I concur that the rhetoric about drug-dealing is too heated and is inaccurate. there is however a point that seems missing from the discussion. Microsoft produces the operating system on which they then 'offer' Word. the sense that the user is somehow tied in comes in part from the fact that users, most of whom are or have been 'naive', as another poster put it, only see Word, it appears as part of Windows. if Microsoft offered Word, WordPerfect, LO or whatever and said, take your pick, that would be different. or if others had some 'real estate' on the system when you bought it for instance as options offered by OEM's, that too would be different. the difference would be that users would see alternatives and trial them. this would correspond to the 'shareware principle'. of course one would not expect Microsoft to do such a thing out of the goodness of their heart, or on some free market principle. it's not 'cunning' so much or 'drug dealing', it's the common sense of the owner of the platform. well, there may be cunning too. on another note, I see no reason not to disdain a firm if you abhor their corporate practices. quality of a firm's product, for instance, is not the only consideration for a morally aware consumer. F. There is no immediate threat of swift physical harm. It is something similar to those ideas but even native-English speakers can't find the more precise words. Even if we could it might not mean much to anyone else. Everyone online has probably seen hostage scenarios and/or the drug dealer scenario on tele or at the movies (or online) so it's the easiest way of getting the idea across. Regards from Tom :) On 30 November 2013 00:20, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: James wrote in response to John: I didn't know we considered trialware cunning. They let people create edit documents for a while and then hold them hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office. I wouldn't consider it either cunning or holding people hostage to provide them with a free trial of software that is otherwise only available for a price. That, indeed, has been the essence of shareware -- try before you buy. Anybody obtaining a trial version of MS-Office is clearly told that it is a trial version; no cunning, no deception. If you don't like it, don't buy it. The creators of the shareware concept (I recall Bob Wallace of the PC-Write days) realized that buying software is often a crap-shoot. You don't know until after you've bought the program whether it will do what you need, or whether you will appreciate the manner in which it does it. This is especially important in the case of an office suite as users will tend to use them on a daily basis, eventually becoming married to their program. MS allows some users to try their program before making such a commitment. For my part, on my last computer purchase, I received a free starter version of MS-Office, with some limitations on features, but without any limitation on time. I can use the starter version forever. I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS. And, yet, it's a theme that recurs on nearly every FOSS related forum I read. IMHO, it's better to focus on what's good about LO than what's evil about MS. Virgil Software -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis What excuses stand in your way? How can you eliminate them? -- Roger von Oech -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bug report -- LibreOffice version 4.1.3.2
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013, Brian Barker wrote: At 00:05 26/11/2013 -0800, Aonly Noname wrote: ... I don't know if Brian Barker's method does in fact provide the Last Saved Date or not. If it does, great - and if he says it does then I assume he's correct. Oh, that's most unwise! wow! correct again! amazing! F. Brian Barker -- Felmon Davis Another dream that failed. There's nothing sadder. -- Kirk, This side of Paradise, stardate 3417.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Installing an OS, was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 10/08/2013 06:53 PM, James Knott wrote: Paul wrote: There is nothing inherent in linux that makes it harder (barring the sheer number of distros; see below), it depends purely on how much effort the developers are willing to go to for any particular linux distro. Don't forget, LO is included in many distros. It might not be the absolute latest, but it would be farily recent. Well if you use Ubuntu's LTS [long term support] OS you upgrade the OS every two years. There is a lot of changes in LO over even a year's worth of time, let alone two. so sounds like you should look into a 'rolling release' like LMDE or Linux Mint Debian Edition or Manjaro. my systems desperately need updating so I guess I feel little need to be up2date. I don't know how these releases treat LO; in this discussion we need to be careful not to confuse the difficulties of upgrading LO with supposed difficulties of upgrading the operating system. F. -- Felmon Davis It is better to live rich than to die rich. -- Samuel Johnson -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Installing an OS, was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Paul wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Well if you use Ubuntu's LTS [long term support] OS you upgrade the OS every two years. There is a lot of changes in LO over even a year's worth of time, let alone two. But packages in a repository get updated during those years, you don't just stay on the latest version at the time of the LTS release. At least, it works this way for other software, I'm rather certain that it does for LO too. so sounds like you should look into a 'rolling release' like LMDE or Linux Mint Debian Edition or Manjaro. My personal favourite rolling release distro is Arch Linux. It is simple and clean, but it is more work to set up. That extra work is part of the point of Arch: it keeps things clean and lean, and means that you get to know your system better. Paul yeah, I forgot to mention Arch, the archbishop of rolling releases. I've never tried it; not sure how much better I need to know my system. plus I use the Trinity Desktop (TDE) which is a nice hold-over from KDE3 and I simply don't know if it can be set up in Arch or not. maybe will look into it when I have another spell of the romance of getting to know my system. in fact the one I'm writing from now is way overdue for an overhaul, way over. F. -- Felmon Davis Look afar and see the end from the beginning. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Re: WiiFi networks
hello, am I mistaken? I thought any https address is already encrypted. F. On Tue, 1 Oct 2013, James B. Byrne wrote: On Tue, October 1, 2013 06:03, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Ok, so this is off-topic but it's another security issue. It's fairly easy for nefarious people to set-up unsecured wiifi networks. I've been caught out by this myself but was quite lucky because i was watching out for it and hadn't done any on-line banking through their connection. Typically you have a computer or device that connects to the internet without needing a cable so you see a list of connections all with a padlock symbol and 1 or 2 with no padlock. Clicking on one of those gives you instant connection to the internet for free!! WoooHoo!?? However everything you do on the internet gets logged by the kind or stupid person that gave you the free access. They can fairly easily sniff through that to find passwords or login details of legitimate networks or even better grab your bank account details. To establish a secure http (and any other tcp based) connection via a public wifi network do this (requires an ssh client on your mobile device): HOST=yoursshdhost.yourdomain.tld PORT=3000 USER=youruserid ssh -Y -L $PORT:$HOST:$PORT -o ServerAliveInterval=30 -o ServerAliveCountMax=10 $USER@$HOST Given Firefox for example you then do this: Firefox - Preferences - Advanced - Network - Settings - Manual - SOCKS v5 - SOCKS Host = localhost - Port = 3000 Now all your http traffic goes out over the air and through the public internet via an encrypted tunnel to a known point for further dissemination. Note that while I do this from my MacBook Pro all the time I do not have that device to hand at the moment so I am reproducing this from memory. There may very well be some error or omission in the example but this is close to what works if it is not exact. Note also that you may first need to 'register' your mac address with the wifi hot point provider using a regularly configured web browser session before you can establish the ssh link. But once that is done and the ssh link established then nobody between you and there is able to read your traffic. And you know for certain who you are talking to at the other end of the link. Alternatively get the Tor Browser and configure a secure and anonymous connection using it: https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en Regards, -- Felmon Davis A leopard cannot change his spots. -- Shakespeare -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Translating odf files using omegat
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013, Milos Sramek wrote: Hi, I would like to translate the book Getting Started with LO 4.0 to Slovak. Translating directly the odt file is perhaps not a good idea, so I would like to use a tool with translation memory - I tried OmegaT. There is, however, a problem with tags: I do not know this program though I took a quick look at the manual; I wondered what happens if you copy and paste your text into it or if you save your file as a text file and load it up into the program? maybe you already tried all of this. F. For example, the sentence *Quickstarter is installed in the Windows system tray and is automatically loaded during system startup.* is displayed in the document without any formatting, using just the the Default character style In OmegaT, however, it is displayed like this: *f10Quickstarter is installed in /f10f11the Windows system tray /f11f12and is automatically loaded /f12f13during system startup.** **/f13*/ /(fxx are tag replacements and should not be touched/.) / This suggests that there are some tags inside this sentence, in spite the fact that I do not see any. Really, in the content.xml file inside the document we can see them: *text:span text:style-name=T65Quickstarter is installed in /text:spantext:span text:style-name=T21the Windows system tray /text:spantext:span text:style-name=T65and is automatically loaded /text:spantext:span text:style-name=T21during system startup. /text:span*/ / These tags in fact do not mean anything meaningfull: *style:style style:name=T21 style:family=textstyle:text-properties fo:language=en fo:country=GB//style:style* Since there are several such tags for nearly each sentence, translating using OmegaT is not possible. I've checked if removing them manually from the content.xml filed changes anything - no, the document remains the same. So, there is a way how to use OmegaT: one has to clean up the xml code by removing all these useless tags. Does anybody have an idea, how to do that? Do you happen to know such tool? Thanks Milos -- Felmon Davis God is not dead. He is alive and working on a much less ambitious project. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] FYI - Trend Micro is blocking your LO 4.1.1 download page
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, i was able to find it by a google search but my point was that they are not particularly well known. I'm sure everyone could probably reel off maybe half-dozen to a dozen names or more without even pausing for breath. Probably 4 would appear on nearly everyone's list but people's last few choices might vary. I can't imagine more than 2 or 3 people would have Trend Micro on their list. it is well-known to pc magazine; here is a recent review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410155,00.asp Rubenking does point out that Trend Micro doesn't participate in testing with all of the independent labs. Those that do test Trend Micro technology rate it good, not great. it also made their best of the current crop of antivirus ware. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372364,00.asp I don't do Windows and I've heard of it for yrs. I'd be wary of calling it 'obscure' but it is not among 'the best known'. F. Of course one disadvantage with using well-known security is that more people are more familiar with trying to break through it or disable it. Also fame is not necessarily a good indicator of quality and i can think of a few excellent programs that never got the recognition they deserved. However when famous security program fails there are usually stories about it and people find out fairly quickly. With something obscure, when it goes wrong there might never be any announcement anywhere, or they might have too few users and not even realise they have a problem Regards from Tom :) From: Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk To: Libre Office ML users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 10:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] FYI - Trend Micro is blocking your LO 4.1.1 download page On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 09:23:06 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hello Tom, I've never heard of Trend Micro and wonder if it's a Microsoft tool or some other 3rd party that has a vested interest in locking you in to only buying products from themselves. A quick internet search reveals that they're a UK firm selling security software for private business users. I suspect their software is giving a false positive. Trend Micro's url, should you be interested, is http://www.trendmicro.co.uk/ -- Felmon Davis Don't assume that every sad-eyed woman has loved and lost -- she may have got him. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cross Platfrom Support Question **CLOSED Thread**
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013, Doug wrote: On 08/24/2013 06:22 PM, Jay Ridgley wrote: To those who responded, I guess the bottom line is that currently LibreOfffice does not and will not without a LOT of work support mobile devices. I am not a mobile user, so I have no frame of reference. It does appear that this feature (mobility) will be required at some future point, however. Thanks, Jay What kind of masochist would wish to do any serious writing--the kind that would require a word-processor--on a mobile phone, or a touch-screen tablet? Get real! --doug you can add a small bluetooth keyboard. some come in a kind of sleeve where you can fold the keyboard and the 10 tablet together held by velcro; you unfold it and the tablet is propped up and the keyboard laid out flat. folded up, it all fits into a woman's purse or a small satchel. the keyboard is pretty easy to use for normal-sized hands and fingers. opposite of masochism. not my taste though - I prefer more power and gear - but perfectly understandable setup for many use-cases. F. -- Felmon Davis Better some of a pudding than none of a pie. -- John Ray -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't find setting
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Ken Springer wrote: [...] Whether or not there's two spaces at the end of the sentence doesn't make a lot of difference in that communication, IMO. But, I think it does effect the ease with which an individual can read the written word. did you mean the ease with which _some individuals_ can read the written word? I dislike double-spaces but I hardly see a difference, subjectively, in the ease of reading. can you cite a source for the claim it inhibits reading? don't feel obligated; I know Tom is trying, in his graceful way, to end the thread and it is probably overdrawn at this point. it is btw pretty easy to edit them out. F. -- Felmon Davis If you find a solution and become attached to it, the solution may become your next problem. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't find setting
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Andrew Brown wrote: [...] And the true purpose of punctuation, is for reading both vocally and in the mind, in that order, the one cannot be divorced from the other. [...] German requires a comma between main clauses and subordinate clauses, for instance: ich sehe, dass er redet or I see that he's talking. there is no breath between those clauses in German or English. German also capitalizes every noun; what aspect of vocalization is that supposed to correspond to? apostrophes aren't vocalized either. two different media, speech and written word, one for the eye, one for the ear. f. On 17/08/2013 09:22 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 08/17/2013 12:56 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 10:47 17/08/2013 +0200, Andrew Brown wrote: In the read word punctuation taught us when to take a breath, as with a continuous sentence separated by a comma, and a long full breath after the period, plus a space. This suggests that the point of the printed word is solely to enable public speaking. Those of us who can read without moving our lips do not need breaths between sentences! I can breathe and read at the same time; can't you? The true purpose of punctuation in written material is to clarify the structure of the material, not to indicate the pauses that might occur if the material were read aloud. Now even as we type to each other in this email, we are using a sans serif font ... That's what you think! You sent this message in plain text, so no font was identified. How I read it or anyone else does depends on how we decide or our mail clients choose to display it. I'm doing the same: you don't know how this appears to me as I'm composing it and I don't know how you will see it. Brian Barker In Thunderbird's Preferences, you can choose what font the text of your email will be displayed in. By default, it seems it is Times New Roman, but I now use DejaVu Serif. I then get to choose what font the email is written in, with the current default as Times. I just chose DejaVu Serif for the font of this text that I have typed here. So, you can decide which font you wish to display any text that does not have a font identifier built in, and you can define the font of the text you are sending in your email, more than one if you choose. As for punctuation and word spacing, try reading old Greek text or others of that era like that where they seem to not use spacings and punctuation in their text. We need them whether we read a text out load or silently. The internal punctuation gives you structure and also gives you a sense of pausing where the author wants such a thing to emphasize some word or portion of the text. The punctuation in the sentence change the meaning of the sentence just by changing, adding, removing, key internal punctuation marks. Of course over the 30+ years between high-school and the last college writing course, the standards and rules have changes on what is needed where and how best to use a comma or semicolon. But without these in the text of books that I personally like to read, it would not be as easy to read as it is now. As for which fonts are best to use where, well whole college courses and majors can be needed to make the best guess on the science of what fonts are best for what and which fonts are more readable than others. Book Publishers know what it best in the different types of books that publish. One font for text books, another for entertainment reading. The hard cover book fonts can be different than the paper back ones as well. There is a science involved in the choosing of the proper fonts. I just decide which looks best for me for ease of reading. I am told Serif fonts work the best for entertainment reading, but which serif font is the best, only you can decide which one in your fonts collection works best for you. . -- Felmon Davis Nagging is the repetition of unpalatable truths. -- Baroness Edith Summerskill -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Bruce Carlson wrote: An interesting observation Virgil. When I went to school, mind you it was several lifetimes ago and in the backwoods of the Australian outback so it may not be too relevant to anywhere else on the planet but, I was told to always leave a double space at the end of every sentence. That was with hand writing, before typewriters were invented, at least there were none within several hundred miles of where I grew up. These days with modern word processors I just don't bother to even try and insert two spaces at the end of sentences but I suppose I should, it certainly looks nicer and may even be proper. It would be nice if modern word processors at least provided the option of a setting to do this automatically. Perhaps it should be the default setting. (please note no double spaces used in this text) Cheers all, Bruce Carlson this whole discussion rather puzzles me. I'm out of it because I've never heard of a rule requiring double spaces between sentences (born and raised in the US). esthetically double space insertion annoys me when I have to edit texts but otherwise I don't notice so double spaces neither facilitate nor inhibit reading as far as I am concerned. but not to just prattle on about myself, I have pulled three texts from a shelf, two are Oxford University and one is Johns Hopkins University. no double spaces that I can discern. oh, here's one from MIT Press; no double spaces. these are somewhat recent; here's an older volume from Stanford University (1992), again, no double spacing. I gather from Brian Barker's (and others') posts that this has something to do with typewriters - is this a rule one learns by taking typewriter classes? (learned on a typewriter but can't remember if I double-spaced or not.) is it a rule applied to some special area of literature or publication? F. -Original Message- From: Virgil Arrington [mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013 10:29 AM To: James Knott; LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting I got my information from Robert Bringhurst's book The Elements of Typographic Style. I have noticed that older books from the 19th century had wider spacing after sentence ending punctuation. Newer books, say from the mid 20th century on, seem to have narrower spacing between sentences. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:22 AM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting Virgil Arrington wrote: The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences with proportionally spaced fonts. In the old hand set type (which I have worked with) there were different width spaces (en em quads), depending on where they were used. Typically, an en quad was used between words and an em quad between sentences. The names refer to the width of upper case N and M characters. So, the space between words was as wide as an N and between sentences, an M. There were also wider ones, such as double M and triple M. Typesetting machines, such as the Linotype also had provision for different width spaces. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Ask not what A Group of Employees can do for you. But ask what can All Employees do for A Group of Employees. -- Mike Dennison -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, James Knott wrote: Virgil Arrington wrote: Just curious, since nearly every professionally published book since the mid-1900s has had one space after sentence ending punctuation, do you find reading books difficult? I just picked up the closest book I had at hand. It's Computer Networks, by Andrew Tanenbaum David Wetherall, 5th edition, published in 2012 by Pearson.. It has wider spacing between sentences than words. Second book I picked off my bookshelf is Ethernet The Definitive Guide by Charles Spurgeon, 1st edition, 2000, from O'Reilly. It also has wider spacing between sentences. That's 2 for 2 of the first 2 books I grabbed. the academic presses I mentioned before were not 'technical' titles so I looked about and came up with: _A Practical Guide to Linux_, Prentice-Hall: single-spaced. _Learning the Bash Shell_, O'Reilly: double-spaced? it's a bit hard to tell with the O'Reilly; I need to find a tiny ruler. some spacing between words look larger than some spacing between sentences. guess it's different strokes for different presses. hmm..., another O'Reilly text seems to have something short of double and longer than single. God, it's hard to discern the difference! but perhaps some here are right that these subliminal differences make a difference for ease of reading. anyway, I agree with Tom we shouldn't disagree about agreeing to disagree. F. -- Felmon Davis By the yard, life is hard. By the inch, it's a cinch. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Doug wrote: On 08/16/2013 12:26 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Bruce Carlson wrote: /snip/ this whole discussion rather puzzles me. I'm out of it because I've never heard of a rule requiring double spaces between sentences (born and raised in the US). esthetically double space insertion annoys me when I have to edit texts but otherwise I don't notice so double spaces neither facilitate nor inhibit reading as far as I am concerned. /snip/ I gather from Brian Barker's (and others') posts that this has something to do with typewriters - is this a rule one learns by taking typewriter classes? (learned on a typewriter but can't remember if I double-spaced or not.) is it a rule applied to some special area of literature or publication? F. Writing for publication should never double space between sentences. However, to answer the question, above,when I took a typing class, around 1952, I was told to double-space between sentences. In those days, if anyone was writing for publication, it would go thru an editor, followed by a Linotypist. Then, for book or magazine copy, there were galley proofs. And when the type was set, there would be no double spaces. Nowadays, when a manuscript (notice that the word means hand-written) is submitted for publication, very little editing or proofreading is done--the computer-generated text goes fairly directly to the offset press, or whatever typesetting system is used. So do *not* double space anything any more! (BTW, it's a hard habit to break!) --doug this does clarify some of the context of discussion for me. I didn't take typewriting classes, mainly self-taught but am a somewhat speedy typist. I obviously didn't get the memo. F. -- Felmon Davis Be braver -- you can't cross a chasm in two small jumps. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] eastern front in new version
in case some did not get the reference: All Quiet on the Western Front (German: Im Westen nichts Neues) is a novel by Erich Maria Remarque, a German veteran of World War I. The book describes the German soldiers' extreme physical and mental stress during the war, and the detachment from civilian life felt by many of these soldiers upon returning home from the front. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Quiet_on_the_Western_Front in addition: In 1930, an American film of the novel was made, directed by Lewis Milestone. The screenplay was by Maxwell Anderson, George Abbott, Del Andrews, C. Gardner Sullivan, with uncredited work by Walter Anthony and Milestone. It stars Louis Wolheim, Lew Ayres, John Wray, Arnold Lucy and Ben Alexander. The film won the Academy Award for Best Picture in 1930 for its producer Carl Laemmle Jr., and an Academy Award for Directing for Lewis Milestone. It was the first all-talking non-musical film to win the Best Picture Oscar. It also received two further nominations: Best Cinematography, for Arthur Edeson, and Best Writing Achievement for Abbott, Anderson and Andrews. -- Felmon Davis Power corrupts, and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely. -- Vint Cerf -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] eastern front in new version
oops! guess _I_ missed the reference! On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Felmon Davis wrote: in case some did not get the reference: All Quiet on the Western Front (German: Im Westen nichts Neues) is a novel by Erich Maria Remarque, a German veteran of World War I. The book describes the German soldiers' extreme physical and mental stress during the war, and the detachment from civilian life felt by many of these soldiers upon returning home from the front. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Quiet_on_the_Western_Front in addition: In 1930, an American film of the novel was made, directed by Lewis Milestone. The screenplay was by Maxwell Anderson, George Abbott, Del Andrews, C. Gardner Sullivan, with uncredited work by Walter Anthony and Milestone. It stars Louis Wolheim, Lew Ayres, John Wray, Arnold Lucy and Ben Alexander. The film won the Academy Award for Best Picture in 1930 for its producer Carl Laemmle Jr., and an Academy Award for Directing for Lewis Milestone. It was the first all-talking non-musical film to win the Best Picture Oscar. It also received two further nominations: Best Cinematography, for Arthur Edeson, and Best Writing Achievement for Abbott, Anderson and Andrews. -- Felmon Davis It's hard not to like a man of many qualities, even if most of them are bad. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: On 7/15/2013 12:25 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, anne-ology wrote: And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) the definition says: - : a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters : initialism - I'm missing the part about being pronounced as a word. oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) do you know SPQR? or INRI? or Q.E.D.? None of these are acronyms either. Senatus PupulusQue Romanus: did you know that the Roman street catchbasins and manhole covers are marked SPQR? Yes, today. interesting; never been to Rome, sorry to say. Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum I just read today that according to one author, this was supposed to be a description of his 'crime', viz. insurrection against Roman authority. anyway, off topic; my apologies. F. Quod Erat Demonstrandum --doug -- Felmon Davis What a strange game. The only winning move is not to play. -- WOP, War Games -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax (OT)
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: On 7/16/2013 2:02 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum I just read today that according to one author, this was supposed to be a description of his 'crime', viz. insurrection against Roman authority. anyway, off topic; my apologies. F. The translation, of course, is, Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews and if he was truly King of the Jews, it could be argued that this was insurrection against Roman authority, but Biblically, it would seem that this is what the Jews accused him of stating, since they complained to Pilate that the sign should read, He _said_ he was King of the Jews. And Pilate replied, What I have written, I have written. sure, Pilate executed him for insurrection. but I messed up my main point which was, I didn't realize they actually hanged a sign on the cross naming the offense. I thought it was some later-day artist's fancy. BTW, the first Latin Senatus PopulusQue Romanus had Populus misspelled. Sorry about that. yeah, I know but I've played enough Latin on the list for now; I did look up 'pupulus' though and it's funny: means 'little boy' or a 'puppet'. may be more truth in that! F. -- Felmon Davis Let patience grow in your garden always. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Brian Barker wrote: At 02:02 16/07/2013 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) the definition says: - : a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; [...] - I'm missing the part about being pronounced as a word. May I help? I think I can. It's right there in the second word of the definition: it says it's a *word*, so it'll be pronounced as, er, a word! ah, now I see where that comes from! deviates from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym which counts the following formations as acronyms: BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer USA: The United States of America FGM: Female Genital Mutilation or maybe it doesn't deviate after all since they can also be pronounced as words (any string of initials can). I'm going to let Anne-ology make the call. F. -- Felmon Davis Get on the bandwagon quickly or end up with the broom. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, anne-ology wrote: And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) do you know SPQR? or INRI? or Q.E.D.? before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice website security
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Paul wrote: Well, to be technical, it should be viruses in English, although virii or viri is (or used to be) common in computer and early internet circles. Virae, virusen, viru... viri... vi... nasty things and other forms are used, either in jest or self-recognition of one's lack of complete linguistic knowledge. While the word has no plural in Classical Latin, Neo-Latin defines vira, viris and virorum. 'vira' and 'viris' are just forms of 'virus' the way he, his and him are forms of masculine singular pronoun. of course one doesn't find 'vira' in actual Latin texts but one doesn't find the plural of 'slime' in actual English texts either. computer people misunderstand how Latin works so some know the plural for many words ending in '-us' is '-i' or '-ii' so they assume this is true of 'virus' -- though they don't think the plural of 'status' is 'stati'! but I agree 100% - in _standard_ English the plural is 'viruses' (there is no 'virusses' or 'virae') but now in computer circles it can be 'virii' or whatever they want. It can also be regarded as having no plural, although that doesn't seem to be common in English. Programmers are, however, known to have a somewhat humorous take on English, so sticking to viruses is probably a little boring... :) yep. sounds 'different' and edgy. F. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_form_of_words_ending_in_-us http://www.ofb.net/~jlm/virus.html Paul On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:13:09 +0200 Luuk luu...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-07-2013 11:56, Luuk wrote: virusses (or virae) it should be: virus thanks, -- Felmon Davis Words must be weighed, not counted. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Ken, you wrote about comparing unlike programs, do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a Ferrari racing cars.LOL and I asked, can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) why can't we compare different animals according to specific ends? you replied that It depends on the specific ends. Then decide on the type of tool you wish to use. Once the type of tool is selected, then compare the different versions of that type tool. and here we agree. then you wrote: Let's say you want to disassemble an engine. How about a '57 Chevy? What kind of tool do you want to use? The first is to select the correct tools. Metric? Whitworth? SAE? The first two are obviously are not the right solution. They won't work worth a hoot. You can force them, but it would be a PITA to use. Which type of SAE tool? Wrench? Ratchet and sockets? Air tools and sockets? You decide on air tools and sockets. Now is when you compare the tools. Who makes the best air tool, for you, to do the job. Snap-on? Cleveland Pneumatic? Mac? MacTool? Cornwell? Now you have a valid basis on which to compare tools, as the all do the same basic job in the same manner. Compressed air to turn the sockets to remove nuts and bolts. That does not mean the air tool is always the best solution. Sometimes the wrench is the best solution. let me interrupt the 'car talk'; you take back with one hand what you gave with the other. we can compare things according to our 'specific ends'. but that doesn't imply that our specific ends always require 'the best solution'! good enough is often good enough. put another way, the 'the best solution' may not require including the optimally appropriate selection of tools. we could have other ends that don't require this kind of optimality. this is usually the case for casual users of image programs and of other things like selection of car or place to have dinner. And of all the variations of wrenches available, it might be a more specific wrench, an angle head wrench for example, is the best choice. If you're specific end is to manipulate individual pixels in a bitmapped graphic, you use an image editor. You don't use a vector drawing program for that. Years ago, I used a couple of programs that claimed to do both, and in the end they did neither very well. if your specific end includes this sort of optimality, yes; otherwise not so much. I'm not sure how this optimality condition slipped in. This is where you need to know what kind of specific tools are out there. In the case of computers, what types of software is available, and a general idea of their capabilities. In your scenario, your first decision is what kind of graphic image is it? Bitmapped or vector? (In they auto example, what's the measurement system used? Metric, Whitworth, or SAE.) If bitmapped, you're changing individual pixels. If vector, you're changing areas. They are different situations, requiring different tools. A bitmapped image is a painting. A vector graphic is your car. Would you use a spray can to touch up your painting? A paint brush to paint your car? Although, I knew a guy that did that! Here's an example: I've a friend who wanted to take a picture, place numbers over it and create a clock face. The only software she knew about was Photoshop Essentials. And I don't know how much time she'd spent on the project with no success. But she was frustrated. After getting details from her, I did the job for her in 15 minutes in Inkscape, learning how to do it at the same time. She had never bothered to learn what other computer tools were out there, and what they were capable of. yes, it's good to know different tools. of course not _every_ use of some suboptimal tool causes hours of wasted effort, may even spare effort. this all was a bit of a digression from my question why we cannot compare 'different animals'. seems we can. F. -- Felmon Davis If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans. -- Woody Allen -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board. the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient. it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite livable. I may actually install it. beats doing real work. F. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The tailor makes the man. -- Erasmus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper? Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as they first appear! Should be fun though :) Good luck and happy hunting! Regards from Tom :) I'm an _occasional_ binge distro-hopper, boot up something from a 'live' drive and have a look, sometimes install for a real look-around. but basically I've been with the same distro for about three or so yrs. when it comes to installing for testing, I have one or two machines to play with for this sort of purpose plus even if I only had one machine, it's easy to switch in a spare hard-drive and play. (laptops are easy to open.) and best of all is to know gparted and grub2. F. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 9:17 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux? On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board. the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient. it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite livable. I may actually install it. beats doing real work. F. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The tailor makes the man. -- Erasmus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The Schizophrenic: An Unauthorized Autobiography -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a Ferrari racing cars.LOL can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) why can't we compare different animals according to specific ends? F. The problem is finding an easy one to learn and use that has all the need features you might require. This applies to any piece of software, not just graphics software. But you have to take the time to research other options, work with them enough to see which is the best tool for the job, and then use that tool. I'm doing a personal research project that will result in something printed, just not sure what. To get everything done, Writer and any other word processor I've ever used, just plain sucks. Scrivener, OTOH, is looking super promising. At the moment, the printed output is the current concern. I've just been using it for the last two weeks, not constantly of course, but I am impressed. And no, I'm not doing a movie or stage script.LOL That eye opening situation with Scrivener, now makes me want to try out LyX. http://www.lyx.org/Home Paint Shop Pro 5 was that for me, but it would not install on Win7 Home Premium, which came with my laptop [but will install on Win7 Professional]. Been using PSP5 for something like 10 years. PSP X5 is not as easy to use, since the company wanted to compete with Photoshop since version 8 or 9, so the learning curve started to increase. We all have our specific needs and ability to deal with the learning curves of the different image/graphics editors. Some are good, some are bad. Some are easy but not many features, but some are feature rich and hard to use. There was a version of GIMP called GIMPshop that was a hack to try and make GIMP easier to use. I think it was a Windows only package though. -- Felmon Davis Things will get better despite our efforts to improve them. -- Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/07/2013 03:48 PM, Luuk wrote: On 07-06-2013 21:30, Stefan Gruber wrote: Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33: Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with GnuLinux? Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series... fifteen years ago, Kyocera was crap. I sure hope they improved their stuff since that time. I think I have seen this brand here in the Northeast USA. it is one of the main printers I use at work. it's in the basement and I'm networked to it but mostly I use it directly to copy stuff or scan stuff in pdf onto a flashdrive; one can also send scanned stuff to a 'mailbox' which can be accessed via a browser; you can set this 'public' or 'private'. the few occasions I 'send' jobs to it it's via CUPS. I do this so infrequently I'm not even sure it works but I imagine it does. it works fine with another networked printer I use daily at work (an HP laser device, b/w, two trays, duplex). F. HP is one of the major brands for the big office printer, copier, fax, collating, stapling and multi-tray office machine. There are others, but so far it seems that the driver for Ubuntu with HP CUPS has the most printer tray and paper/envelope sizes/styles of all of the other brands of printers I have tried on my system. I really think the key will be which brand and model of big office printer has the best driver, with the most options, for Linux. That is in the subject line after all. I have had [and have] some nice printers that currently have no proper Linux driver[s]. My HP 7000 wide format will print letter size [8.5 by 11 inches] but will not print the 11 by 17 inch paper, for which I bought it. I have to use my Win7 boot of my dual booting laptop to use that printer. -- Felmon Davis Maintainer's Motto: If we can't fix it, it ain't broke. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Doug wrote: On 06/08/2013 11:32 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:16:42 -0400, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around 80% of MSO almost never gets used. /snip/ How many people know how to mail-merge? Not as many as know how to use bold!! Regards from Tom :) What the heck is a mail merge? I use Thunderbird, i wouldn't have any idea how to do any kind of mail in a word processor. And I don't know why I'd ever want to.--doug not knowing what it is, it's understandable why you'd not know why you'd want to. g you want to send mail (usually printed stuff) to 1000 individuals but personalized so each letter has the individual's name, address, perhaps a personal greeting like good morning, doug! you can modify each letter by hand a thousand times or use mail merge. I would love to do it, also for emails, but for my purposes I probably need to set up a database instead. F. -- Felmon Davis Never make anything simple and efficient when a way can be found to make it complex and wonderful. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On Fri, 7 Jun 2013, anne-ology wrote: so agree :-) 'change for the sake of change' is so inane. how can you kids be all for 'if it works, don't fix it' and then praise improvements? shouldn't your motto be, if it will work better, fix it? F. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: snip I was talking to a professor a few days ago. He does not like the newer versions due in part to the way they keep changing the interface and how to do things. I made sure he know about LO. He loved the multi language part as well. I did not like the ribbon menu system either. Sure, the type of interface that LO uses has been around for years, but that does not mean you need to change it. Refreshing or redesigning the interface, just because you can, is not a reason to. One of the good things about LO as it went from 3.3 though 4.0 is the way the interface does not change, or has a slow change so it does not stand up and slap your face with the changes. Once you learn what is where and how to do things, changing that will cause problems. Sure the interface could use some enhancements, like the persona addition, but to keep our users happy, you must not make the users relearn how to do things or where are the menu options are now located. I have been using the OO/LO office suite since OO.o 1.x and now I am using LO 3.6.6. (I have not tried LO 4.0.x, since I am still waiting for that less-buggy 4.1.5+ version to be released.) However, I have found the incremental changes to the user interface refreshing. OO.o and now LO, have made great improvements in this area with each release. Nothing to make me go back to school to get my degree on how to use it, but the changes made the functions much easier to use and more intuitive. To me, that is a big plus. I want to be productive, not have to re-learn user interfaces with each new release. Although I am a retired electronics engineer, I am _not_ a techno-geek who has to have the latest and greatest all the time. You won't find me waiting for hours outside an Apple store to buy the latest iPhone. If it works, don't fix it is my motto. Girvin Herr -- Felmon Davis Things past redress and now with me past care. -- William Shakespeare, Richard II -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote: +1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -2 (or however many) many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading. I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking about. F. -- Felmon Davis To love is wise; to hate is foolish. -- Bertrand Russell -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Seeking for list moderators
On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dries Feys wrote: All, Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to click scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as bottom posting in my compose window. Sorry for the inconvenience... it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think some other email clients do the same. if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one degree of inconvenience against another. I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting. (I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.) Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, mit herzlichen grüssen! F. DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer On 8 May 2013 16:44, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Wed, 8 May 2013, V Stuart Foote wrote: +1 From: anne-ology [lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:34 AM top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit; one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing on what's gone before, then merely scroll down. Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite simple; oh, windows could be rolled up down in a car whenever; then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the engine was running ;-) +2 ;-) Stuart -2 (or however many) many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading. I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking about. F. -- Felmon Davis To love is wise; to hate is foolish. -- Bertrand Russell -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis If I had to live my life again, I'd make the same mistakes, only sooner. -- Tallulah Bankhead -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I never even try to share documents between different programs, such as Word and LO or OO. I never even try to share documents between two users using both the same program *and* the same document template, if the program is Word (or LO /OO). With these applications, the re-use of content is exclusively limited to raw, unformatted text. Trying anything else will drive you up the walls. your walls must be very adhesive. I share documents with people all the time because a couple of committees I've been on had me as the 'master of documents', that is, I would take other people's work and bundle it together, edit and produce drafts for them to work on, then I would do up the final report. they almost always are using some version of Word. sure, there are problems but my walls are pretty footprint-free. but I think this goes to show not only are there different standards of tolerance for problems, there different magnitudes of problems, thus, if I were dealing with 100 people instead of six or seven, it might be a different issue. of course I'm not denying there are other solutions which are technically superior in some way. but for many of us the situation is not as dire as you paint it, walls and all. F. If you need collaborative authoring, you need something that *imposes* a pre-defined document structure (such as e.g. an XML schema, LaTeX document classes unfortunately are not as restrictive) and thus absolutely locks out *any* possiblity of finger-painting, and preferrably something that also provides seamless integration for revision control systems such as e.g. Subversion. With LyX/LaTeX, structured XML authoring applications (or some document processing applications like Worperfect or Framemaker, provided the authors are perfectly disciplined), collaborative authoring is possible to a certain degree. With Word (or LO/OO) it is strictly impossible at any reasonable degree of efficiency. If there was a way in LO/OO to imperatively re-strict the user interface for a certain document to the application of styles defined within the document, this might improve things, but given how styles are implemented in LO/OO, I doubt that it would really work. Besides that styles don't hold structure information anyway, since templates aren't schemas in LO/OO. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- Felmon Davis You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles (collaborating on documents)
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Brian Barker wrote: At 16:41 03/05/2013 +, Felmon Davis wrote: I share documents with people all the time because a couple of committees I've been on had me as the 'master of documents', that is, I would take other people's work and bundle it together, edit and produce drafts for them to work on, then I would do up the final report. they almost always are using some version of Word. But surely that's different? You've been appointed to do up the final report, so you can do what you like with the final text - even just taking it out as plain text and reformatting from scratch. The earlier conversations where about situations where all members of a collaboration had equal rights to impose formatting - and where the formatting itself was perhaps a relevant point of discussion and agreement. I am confused. Wolfgang spoke of two users. but granted that would also be a problem if each user claims the prerogative to determine formatting. most occasions I encounter no one claims such a prerogative, each goes their own way, but also most people I deal with don't do any significant formatting to start with. so what is the context of discussion? a) several individuals passing documents to and fro and b) each with a lot of formatting and c) each preferring their own formatting to others'? this indeed is a 'war of all against all' but then it's less a matter of word-processor vs latex or something but a problem of organization and coordination. Where it is appropriate, what you describe is indeed the way to go: to develop and agree on the content separately from the format. The format is either locked down from the start or imposed separately at the end. That's what intelligent web authoring arrangements use, of course. sorry if I was off topic. F. Brian Barker -- Felmon Davis Dyslexics have more fnu. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Using UNO API
On Sun, 28 Apr 2013, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Ok, it's hard to make jokes in English when your native language is a quite different one… not my experience: when I speak German I get a lot of giggles. F. -- You want to know why I kept getting promoted? Because my mouth knows more than my brain. -- W.G. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote: yikes, sounds as if I need further information - or need to keep studying ... ... ... ;-) not sure how the further discussion would be relevant to you if you just want to use the tool. the link I gave you explains the things pdftk can do. you can then decide if it might be useful. the next step is to determine if you find it convenient to use. of course, if you are also interested in how the tool is built, then that's a different matter. Please update re. this / these tks whenever; I'll stay tuned ;-) Ah, acronyms ;-) tk := http://www.acronymfinder.com/TK.html (well, while waiting to understand all this, my mind tends to wander - puns are so much fun :-) ) don't mean to be acronymonious about it but all disciplines and occupations use abbreviations and have specialist dictionaries - general-purpose dictionaries won't do. F. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, Girvin Herr wrote: Felmon, Looks like pdftk is written in Java. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Pdftkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdftk So the gui (Graphical User Interface) is whatever the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) interfaces with. From my experience, it isn't pretty, but functional. I noticed there are some other source files and some 3rd-party code in the package that I did not take time to investigate, and it takes Gcc to build it. But one of the big ideas of Java is that it contains its own gui code, so the programmer's effort is greatly reduced. I would be surprised if pdftk does not use the standard Java gui. Girvin Herr good to know, especially about the '3rd-party code'. makes sense the gui would be in java so it can run on various platforms. I don't however foresee myself invoking the gui unless I'm working off of Windows or something. I'll look but I bet there's a command-line version for Windows too. F. On 04/13/2013 11:24 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Tom Davies wrote: snip I'm only familiar with pdftk as a command-line tool; thus I was confused by the discussion of desktop environments. it does have a gui interface (or several?) and then there are the Windows and Mac versions. I don't know what is used to make the gui interface on Linux. Felmon snip -- Felmon Davis Appearances are not everything; it just looks like they are. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote: very interesting, yes indeed ;-) well, the more I read this list, 'the more I seem to learn, yet the stupider I feel' ;-) (the glorified typewriter has so surpassed me) I note you've used a 'new' word; acronymonious seems to fit well in this saga - yet I hope you didn't mis-type acrimonious ;-) (oh, surely not) I did not mistype. I went neologistic on you. F. On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote: yikes, sounds as if I need further information - or need to keep studying ... ... ... ;-) not sure how the further discussion would be relevant to you if you just want to use the tool. the link I gave you explains the things pdftk can do. you can then decide if it might be useful. the next step is to determine if you find it convenient to use. of course, if you are also interested in how the tool is built, then that's a different matter. Please update re. this / these tks whenever; I'll stay tuned ;-) Ah, acronyms ;-) tk := http://www.acronymfinder.com/**TK.htmlhttp://www.acronymfinder.com/TK.html (well, while waiting to understand all this, my mind tends to wander - puns are so much fun :-) ) don't mean to be acronymonious about it but all disciplines and occupations use abbreviations and have specialist dictionaries - general-purpose dictionaries won't do. F. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, Girvin Herr wrote: Felmon, Looks like pdftk is written in Java. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdftkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Pdftk https://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Pdftkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdftk So the gui (Graphical User Interface) is whatever the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) interfaces with. From my experience, it isn't pretty, but functional. I noticed there are some other source files and some 3rd-party code in the package that I did not take time to investigate, and it takes Gcc to build it. But one of the big ideas of Java is that it contains its own gui code, so the programmer's effort is greatly reduced. I would be surprised if pdftk does not use the standard Java gui. Girvin Herr good to know, especially about the '3rd-party code'. makes sense the gui would be in java so it can run on various platforms. I don't however foresee myself invoking the gui unless I'm working off of Windows or something. I'll look but I bet there's a command-line version for Windows too. F. On 04/13/2013 11:24 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Tom Davies wrote: snip I'm only familiar with pdftk as a command-line tool; thus I was confused by the discussion of desktop environments. it does have a gui interface (or several?) and then there are the Windows and Mac versions. I don't know what is used to make the gui interface on Linux. Felmon snip -- Felmon Davis -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Most on-line dictionaries (in the top 10 according to a google search) agree that A neologism is a newly coined term, word, or phrase, that may be in the process of entering common use, but has not yet been accepted into mainstream but my fav is Mirriam-Webster's bucking the trend amusingly a meaningless word coined by a psychotic. Even though it is not apt it's still quietly amusing, to me at least, sorry Felmon bud! :) no problem but seriously, if the people in the telly were constantly sending _you_ neologisms, don't pretend it wouldn't unsettle you a bit too. F. Regards from Tom :) From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 April 2013, 21:59 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote: very interesting, yes indeed ;-) well, the more I read this list, 'the more I seem to learn, yet the stupider I feel' ;-) (the glorified typewriter has so surpassed me) I note you've used a 'new' word; acronymonious seems to fit well in this saga - yet I hope you didn't mis-type acrimonious ;-) (oh, surely not) I did not mistype. I went neologistic on you. F. On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote: yikes, sounds as if I need further information - or need to keep studying ... ... ... ;-) not sure how the further discussion would be relevant to you if you just want to use the tool. the link I gave you explains the things pdftk can do. you can then decide if it might be useful. the next step is to determine if you find it convenient to use. of course, if you are also interested in how the tool is built, then that's a different matter. Please update re. this / these tks whenever; I'll stay tuned ;-) Ah, acronyms ;-) tk := http://www.acronymfinder.com/**TK.htmlhttp://www.acronymfinder.com/TK.html (well, while waiting to understand all this, my mind tends to wander - puns are so much fun :-) ) don't mean to be acronymonious about it but all disciplines and occupations use abbreviations and have specialist dictionaries - general-purpose dictionaries won't do. F. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, Girvin Herr wrote: Felmon, Looks like pdftk is written in Java. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdftkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Pdftk https://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Pdftkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdftk So the gui (Graphical User Interface) is whatever the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) interfaces with. From my experience, it isn't pretty, but functional. I noticed there are some other source files and some 3rd-party code in the package that I did not take time to investigate, and it takes Gcc to build it. But one of the big ideas of Java is that it contains its own gui code, so the programmer's effort is greatly reduced. I would be surprised if pdftk does not use the standard Java gui. Girvin Herr good to know, especially about the '3rd-party code'. makes sense the gui would be in java so it can run on various platforms. I don't however foresee myself invoking the gui unless I'm working off of Windows or something. I'll look but I bet there's a command-line version for Windows too. F. On 04/13/2013 11:24 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Tom Davies wrote: snip I'm only familiar with pdftk as a command-line tool; thus I was confused by the discussion of desktop environments. it does have a gui interface (or several?) and then there are the Windows and Mac versions. I don't know what is used to make the gui interface on Linux. Felmon snip -- Felmon Davis -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Chastity and virtue are their own punishment. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, Girvin Herr wrote: Felmon, Looks like pdftk is written in Java. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdftk So the gui (Graphical User Interface) is whatever the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) interfaces with. From my experience, it isn't pretty, but functional. I noticed there are some other source files and some 3rd-party code in the package that I did not take time to investigate, and it takes Gcc to build it. But one of the big ideas of Java is that it contains its own gui code, so the programmer's effort is greatly reduced. I would be surprised if pdftk does not use the standard Java gui. Girvin Herr good to know, especially about the '3rd-party code'. makes sense the gui would be in java so it can run on various platforms. I don't however foresee myself invoking the gui unless I'm working off of Windows or something. I'll look but I bet there's a command-line version for Windows too. F. On 04/13/2013 11:24 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Tom Davies wrote: snip I'm only familiar with pdftk as a command-line tool; thus I was confused by the discussion of desktop environments. it does have a gui interface (or several?) and then there are the Windows and Mac versions. I don't know what is used to make the gui interface on Linux. Felmon snip -- Felmon Davis Live your live such that you need not hide your diary. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote: Curiously wondering what this 'new' PDFtk is - and how to acquire it ... or is this something only for Linux users ;-) you can find information about versions for Windows at http://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/; looks like the direct link to the Windows stuff is: http://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/pdftk_server-1.45-windows-setup.msi I find pdftk a god-send. F. The longer I'm on this amazing list, the more I'm learning about these 'glorified-typewriters' :-) On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Ronis wrote: Hi Jay, Thanks for the reply. I'm using Linux (Slackware). Unfortunately, exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various drawings that can't be omitted. David what format does this 'single file' have to be in? if it can be itself a pdf then use pdftk. pdftk allows you to 'join' multiple pdfs into one. take the .doc stuff and convert to pdf then put it all together via pdftk. the syntax for pdftk is a bit weird (I find it hard to remember) but at the same time very simple. Felmon From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:18:42 -0400 On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote: I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import many documents from my colleagues, some in word or PDF formats, into a single file. Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert-File... on a PDF file (I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file). I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into the document, but that is painful. Is there a way to make File-Insert work, perhaps via a macro? If not, consider this a feature request. David What OS are you using? In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text file and this file can be opened in Writer or imported into Calc. I do not know if this would less or more painful. You would have the entire file at once but would need to format the text. -- Felmon Davis -- Felmon Davis Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a hurry. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, anne-ology wrote: Thanks for this summation - I wonder what the original question was? I seem to have missed a part of the exchange. as for now, it's 'clear as mud' ;-) Felmon - I'm studying the page you sent me. I hope it can be of help; I've only ever used the Linux version but I imagine they aren't too different. F. On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) Programs with tk (or more usually gtk) at the end or at the beginning are for a one type of DE for GnuLinux. Sometimes a G is used instead. The other main type of DE usually has K or Qt at the front of it's programs. Often programs have a back-end or command-line tool that does most of the heavy lifting and then different front-ends or Guis are put on for each of the 2 main types. Typically we talk about families of distros but even a single distro might have 2 or 3 versions with each one having a different type of DE. If you choose the 'wrong one' then you can choose whether to install the other DE or get a different version of the distro that does have the 'right one'. Tim at Kracked Press has somethings he likes in each of the main DEs so he installs both. It makes his system a bit more bloated but means he can use choose more apps. DE = Desktop Environment. The main 2 are Gnome and KDE. Most of the rest (Xfce, Unity, Enlightenment and probably hundreds more) tend to be able to use front-ends written for one or the other. Ok, so it's not quite that simple. 2 extra wrinkles; 1. Gtk or tk are pretty rarely used but are for the Xfce DE (well really a WM (=window manager (note the lower-case w)) but that is nearly a DE) and Xfce apps work well in Gnome. Gnome is a bit heftier (a bit more fully functionally if you know what i mean) so it's fairly normal to find a G (stands for Gnome) instead of the rarer Gtk but then that's a pain because the app might need a 3rd front-end instead of just having 2 to reach everyone. 2. Going back to seeing the K at the beginning of apps written for KDE makes sense but why the Qt? Well, until recently Qt was less streamlined and was a lot of the weight in KDE. Now it is a lot faster and lighter it seems that Gnome or distros using Gnome have pulled it in but just not quite enough of it for Tim's requirements. 3. Since Gnome often can run apps built for the 3 main DEs shouldn't that make it the DE of choice!? Oddly not. It's been forked in at least 2 or 3 different directions and in Ubuntu it's been replaced by Unity (which can also run a lot of the Gnome, Xfce or KDE apps but is extremely unpopular amongst purists) I hope that helps!! I hope i got it about right too otherwise i'm going to get deluged with unwanted flaming or something! Something i like about GnuLinux is the passion and that we go all sorts of different ways but somehow manage to grow and learn from each other or make use of each others achievements and even build on them (if individuals are gifted enough) Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com *To:* Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Friday, 12 April 2013, 16:29 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem Curiously wondering what this 'new' PDFtk is - and how to acquire it ... or is this something only for Linux users ;-) The longer I'm on this amazing list, the more I'm learning about these 'glorified-typewriters' :-) On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Ronis wrote: Hi Jay, Thanks for the reply. I'm using Linux (Slackware). Unfortunately, exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various drawings that can't be omitted. David what format does this 'single file' have to be in? if it can be itself a pdf then use pdftk. pdftk allows you to 'join' multiple pdfs into one. take the .doc stuff and convert to pdf then put it all together via pdftk. the syntax for pdftk is a bit weird (I find it hard to remember) but at the same time very simple. Felmon From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:18:42 -0400 On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote: I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import many documents from my colleagues, some in word or PDF formats, into a single file. Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert-File... on a PDF file (I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file). I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into the document, but that is painful. Is there a way to make File-Insert work, perhaps via a macro? If not, consider this a feature request. David What OS are you using? In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text file
Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Ronis wrote: Hi Jay, Thanks for the reply. I'm using Linux (Slackware). Unfortunately, exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various drawings that can't be omitted. David what format does this 'single file' have to be in? if it can be itself a pdf then use pdftk. pdftk allows you to 'join' multiple pdfs into one. take the .doc stuff and convert to pdf then put it all together via pdftk. the syntax for pdftk is a bit weird (I find it hard to remember) but at the same time very simple. Felmon -Original Message- From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:18:42 -0400 On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote: I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import many documents from my colleagues, some in word or PDF formats, into a single file. Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert-File... on a PDF file (I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file). I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into the document, but that is painful. Is there a way to make File-Insert work, perhaps via a macro? If not, consider this a feature request. David What OS are you using? In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text file and this file can be opened in Writer or imported into Calc. I do not know if this would less or more painful. You would have the entire file at once but would need to format the text. -- Felmon Davis He who gives promptly gives twice. -- Miguel de Cervantes -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps Moodle? I haven't looked into Moodle but keep meaning to. It's supposedly good for higher education but it might be more about just tutors and lecturers being able to place documents and text and stuff in an attractive layout that's easy for students to just read. I'm not sure how interactive it can be. Regards from Tom :) we have 'moodle' (for some reason our ITS calls it 'nexus') and I used to use it when it first came out. I have looked to see if this is built in and it probably is, or they could activate it, but I haven't found it yet; I should just ask and I might settle for it but I don't like using moodle otherwise so that would be my only use for it -- it is a rather large canon for the little fly I want to swat. I am more partial to drupal but haven't yet found a utility for file uploading that was simple enough to configure in small snatches of time I have for it. it often seems to require installing this and that module, updating the whole she-bang and so on. I just don't have time for reconstructive surgery on my drupal site, not now at least and now would be a great time to have the upload utility. oh, well. pardon the off-off-topic; we should get back to the main off-topic or even on topic! F. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 6:55 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: On 13-02-14 02:05 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: this thread is off-topic but I'll take advantage of it before it's cut: I would like a solution where a) individuals could upload documents to me b) they wouldn't be able to see each other's documents (unless I allowed it) c) should be either linux-based or agnostic. OwnCloud. Wait for version 5 though (End of February): http://owncloud.org/ Cheers, Fabian thanks. this deserves more study but so far as I can see now, it doesn't suit my purpose. it allows me to access files from diverse places and devices. I can already do that on a server to which I have ssh and sshfs access. what I need is something where _others_ can upload their files for _me_ to access. think of students uploading papers for the teacher to grab. the students shouldn't see each other's work though they should see their own. (it would be great if they had permissions to modify and delete their own stuff but not essential; it is essential that Windows and Mac people can upload their files.) I'll study the owncloud page more but I'm not seeing these features so far. F. -- Felmon Davis What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. -- Bertrand Russell, _Sceptical_Essays_, 1928 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Things to do today: 1. Get up. 2. Survive. 3. Go to bed. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, IBBoard wrote: Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business, that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important documents go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system (like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally. Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN share it does versioning and workflow. Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. A normal user will never need it. I don't understand the relation between these propositions: a) Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business, that is unacceptable... b) Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. is the point that it is better for a business that Microsoft hold their documents than that Busybox does? just seeking clarification. (I have Busybox but don't use it for a number of reasons; I am not acquainted enough with Sharepoint.) F. On Feb 14, 2013 5:28 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Content Management System ;-) ... LAN ;-) ... a wiki ;-) ??? as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with the KISs method ;-) But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with 6Gb of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents - and MsFt does not have any control over this :-) On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Ahh, so is it a sort of Content Management System that can be used to hold documents centrally, like putting them on a shared folder on a Lan so that everyone can work on the same file instead of each generating different copies and then trying to compare all the different ones to incorporate all the different changes? Sort of like a wiki? Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com *To:* Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:53 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point? Just 'searched' and found this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12Jb5Z2xaE Seems somewhat silly since we could all benefit if we were to use DropBox - http://db.tt/v1nUSr8M On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Has anyone managed to get MS Sharepoint working with 4.0.0? Apparently it's one of the features that are supposed to be in the 4.0.0 although i have no idea what SharePoint is nor why anyone would use it. According to the comments under this article http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/libreoffice-40-available-for-download.html Somewhere about 1/4 up from the bottom Алексей Бродкин • 6 days ago It seems like some of highlighted options are missing from this release. 1. Unity/Global menu integration - at least I cannot see it in action or any toggle in setting 2. SharePoint integration. From here http://tekonorma.fr/WPblogTN/2... I learnt that to have this option one needs to instal a corresponding plug-in from here http://extensions.libreoffice and you may see this link leads to This page does not seem to exist... - seems like due to legal issue plugin was removed. Sure enough the link didn't work so i got to the Extensions site another way but a quick search to find sharepoint or share point didn't reveal any relevant Extensions. Regards from Tom :) -- Felmon Davis Seek simplicity -- and distrust it. -- Alfred Whitehead -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Share-point?
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 14/02/2013 at 19:20, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: is the point that it is better for a business that Microsoft hold their documents than that Busybox does? SharePoint is internal network solution. It does not exchange any information it holds with Microsoft servers. Your confidential data stays yours. This is opposite to Dropbox, Google Docs, Microsoft SkyDrive and any other cloud system, where you must share your data with system operators. I see; good prompt for me to do some research. I wholly agree this is far better than BusyBox for many purposes. F. -- Felmon Davis When in doubt, take all the defaults. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
