[libreoffice-users] Re: AltGr functionality + Swedish Keyboard

[Peter Maunder]

Greetings,I have attached a copy of the Swedish Keyboard that I have on my
Linux+Mint Mate system after I added Swedish to my system. The four
characters on each keyboard are the standard Lowercase and Uppercase on the
left hand side and the AltGr Lowercase and AltGr Uppercase on the right hand
side. When you use LibreOffice and other applications that follow normal
protocols those are the keys and characters you find. Note, that the AltGr
is a separate key, and not a right hand duplicate of the left Alt key. If
you are using the Alt key for your own use you should use the left hand Alt
key.However, the keyboard command on your system will allow to to change the
behaviour of the keyboard from the operating system default, but tread
carefully if you change this.  

 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: AltGr functionality

[Peter Maunder]

I suggest you check your system/keyboard settings to sort out the default
system settings. How you do this will depend on your system first not LibO
and the actual keyboard, language and brand. What operating system and
language are you using, and what keyboard setting is defined?

AltGr is controlled by your system KEYBOARD setting. Technically they are
called LEVEL 3 and LEVEL 4 (AltGr and SHIFT-ALtGr). Level 1 and 2 are
Lowercase and Shift. The settings depend on your keyboard, language and the
use of Keyboard-OPTIONS. The keyboard input is then handed over to the
application, in this case LibreOffice.

For example on my Keyboard set to English (UK) international, many of the
European accents, are set using the AltGr, for example ç é á Ç É Á and €
(the latter is dependant on the option settings).

I also have American-International,  Irish, German(Switzerland) as
alternative keyboard settings to test different settings for LibO, oh and
French(French).  They are controlled by the system.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO upgrade under Linux - delete old files

[Peter Maunder]

The Linux Mint update will update the same versions. Hence 6.1.6 will update
6.1.5 or 6.1.4 etc. It will not remove 6.0.x versions. Unlike Windows that
has no version control and can only run once version of LibO. This means I,
for example, on my Mint system run versions 5.4, 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2. So I can
test problems with various versions and move users across slowly.

So the Icons are specific to the version and you can have Icons to open
Writer 6.1 and 6.0. If that is not what you want then remove previous
versions of LibO.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Help creating a locale xml file for Nigeria

[Peter Maunder]

LibreOffice uses Unicode, which supports the Nigerian Naira sign.

Unicode U+20A6 is Nigerian Naira Sign  ₦ 

Unicode U+20B5 is Ghanaian Cedi   ₵

But the font you use needs to support the sign. For example the Liberation
Sans I am using. And your operating system setup also needs to support your
use of Unicode. You do not state your operating system and language
settings. If you can find the Ghanaian Cedi, you should also have access to
the Naira. 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Non-ASCII/UTF-8 double quote characters in text format?

[Peter Maunder]

You do not say which Language or operating system or version of LibO you are
using, however in general terms I hope the explanation below helps.


LibreOffice only uses Unicode, that is to say UTF-8 in your terms. The
characters you are seeing are actually Unicode. This provides support for
about 108,000 characters. US-ASCII uses the first 127 of these. So, if you
go to INSERT > SPECIAL CHARACTERS the first (decimal) 127 or (hexadecimal)
U+7F characters are the same. The double left and right quotation marks are
down in about U+201C. The double quotation is (decimal) 34 U+22 is also
available in US-ASCII.


If your particular problem is DOUBLE QUOTATION Marks, the variation is
Country / Language dependant. But you will find assistance using the HELP >
QUOTATION MARKS. You need to turn off the AUTOCORRECT OPTION if it does not
do what you want. I quote from the HELP PANEL. 


To Stop Replacing Quotation Marks
1. Choose Tools - AutoCorrect - AutoCorrect Options.
2. Click the Localised Options tab
3. Unmark the "Replace" check box(es).



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[libreoffice-users] Re: 5.1.1 breaks anchored-as-character frames

[Peter Maunder]

If you really want to install older versions of LibO,
https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/4.2.8.2/ will
point you to 4.2.8, although I would not commender going back to these older
versions. The normal download site currently gives the options of 5.04,
5.0.5 and 5.1.0. Remember that all of these versions will use the same
.config/libreoffice file with Ubuntu/Mint.

Are you sure your problems are with the version of LibO and not the
installation itself or problems with the config file?...Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Peter Maunder]

Hi Tom,

We use both LibreOffice and Thunderbird running under Linux-Mint. I have
been concerned about the future of Thunderbird since the Mozilla statement
concerning the future of the software.

I am delighted that The Document Foundation is considering bringing TB under
its wing, thoroughly support this aim and have the following brief comments.

1) We should not change the name, as this will lead to confusion. I still
have problems with my users confusing LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. Some
of them still call LibreOffice OpenOffice although they have been usingLibO
for some time.

2) Thunderbird is cross system and runs under Linux, Windows and MacOS, just
like LibO.

3) LibO supports the Mozilla Personas/Theme function, but the operational
interface of LibO leaves a great deal to be desired. Perhaps we could import
the user interface of Thunderbird Personas Plus to LibO to fix this lack. We
could thus manage the header/footer loock consistently across the products.

Anyway, I wish the project every success Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.4, 5.0 : firefox personas not work with path url...why?

[Peter Maunder]

I was pleased to see this interest in using Firefox and Thunderbird Personas
with LibreOffice. My wife and I use personas that I have created and stored
on our computers all the time. I don't normally download them from the
internet. There are several bug reports that may be or general interest.

85549 Personas lost upgrading from 4.3 to 4.4 .  You should be aware that
the folders changed when upgrading from 4.3 to 4.4 or 5.x. Each personas is
now in a separate folder  for example /gallery/personas/personas name. So
any change made for 4.3 must be upgraded for use in 4.4/5.x.

86544 Personalization: New browser for Firefox themes improvements.
Discusses some improvements. 

93599 Personalization and themes. Further discussion.

I use the Firefox Personas Plus addon to test Personas created and stored on
my system before loading them onto LibO. I wish that LibreOffice had the
same function.

Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Which components do you use most?

[Peter Maunder]

Virgil Arrington wrote
 I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the 
 people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of 
 experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the 
 different components. For myself, my approximate usage is:

Writer 90%
Calc 10%  fairly often but in small bits.

Coming from Generalized Markup Language (GML) background from the late
70s, I use Styles and Templates exclusively, especially when preparing
books. I would be interested to know what proportion of time people use
Styles when preparing text. The users I help are all home users and struggle
with the concept of styles and even templates. Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Imported document becomes corrupted, when edited.

[Peter Maunder]

Ian McCarthy wrote
 I have a document -
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp6rf6edhuui8qb/SpeyElectrics.v16.odt
 
 It consists of a number of pages, the first two should have only writing 
 on them, then there are some line drawings, then a page with an 
 annotated image (page 6), followed by some more diagrams.
 
 I am having a number of problems.
 When I reopen the document after editing some of the draw lines and 
 other objects. Things have leapt to other pages.
 When I attempt to select multiple objects so I can group them, when I 
 press the shift key and click, I end up on the image page  page 6
 When I select a line, the line tool bar does not appear. I have to draw 
 a new open line and then by selecting that I can get the line drawing 
 tools icons (to add and delete points etc), and I may then be able to 
 edit the line I wanted to edit.
 Is it something special about this document, or is this a more general 
 problem.

Make certain that you have enough memory for LibO and it's images, and that
you leave them in memory whilst you work on the document. TOOLS  OPTIONS 
MEMORY. Otherwise LibO will spend its time manipulating the drawings. Ifind
the defaults are not correct for me.  As well as the anchor point, I find it
is also useful to manage the WRAP option. This has quite an effect on the
text when you are adjusting the graphics.  Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice further notes

[Peter Maunder]

krackedpress wrote
 I wish there was a better way to do this.
 I added a number of personas to the FF system, but LO did not [back 
 then] take the text color option correctly from the FF persona 
 settings.  Yes the font color is really important for the darker 
 backgrounds.  Also, the icons in the toolbars might have problems with 
 darker backgrounds, or at least it did when I created them when LO first 
 started to use personas.
 
 It would be nice to have a persona editor built in to the 
 personalization option[s] so you can choose the background image[s] and 
 the font color within LO and not have to do the hard coding in the 
 setup file[s].

The Font Colour option is currently broken when displaying the STARTUP
CENTER screen. This is fixed in 4.3. However you can bypass this problem by
reloading the Personas.

I have found that defaulting the Font Colour to RED #ff gives a more
flexible look that suits more Personas than plain BLACK #00.  In that
case you can reload a Personas stored on you own system without the need to
restart LibO. Simply use a default header name, in my case Header.jpg for
the Personas, overwrite or rename the exisiting Personas in the folder and
do the following

Remove the Personas TOOLS  OPTIONS  PERSONALIZATION  Plain Look  OK 
Reload   the Personas TOOLS  OPTIONS  PERSONALIZATION  Own Theme  OK

You can use an image editor such as GIMP to create the Personas, save it
into the /Gallery/Personas folder and you have a basic in-house Personas
management system. Works for me..Peter





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice further notes

[Peter Maunder]

My original response was just to show where the Personas were actually kept
on the LibreOffice system. These notes may be of interest for those who wish
to dabble further. 

Adding Personas to LibreOffice does seem slightly convoluted, especially
compared with Firefox and Thunderbird. Don't forget that F and T are
designed to be online and provide an online repository for the images.
Originally you needed to download each image to update the Personas, only
one image was stored on your system using a common name. This was obviously
not ideal for private Personas either for private personal or business use. 

The F/T PERSONAS PLUS Add-On provides a facility to manage Personas,
together with their Text Colours directly on your machine. This function is
called CUSTOM PERSONA. I actually use this function to test Personas using
Firefox and only add them to LibreOffice when they are ready to go.

One of this year's LibreOffice Google Summer of Code projects is to “Improve
Usability of Personas” which Rachit Gupta is carrying out. I, for one look
forward to what he produces. Personas Plus is an obvious starting point.

Oh, another wrinkle. It is only when you add the first Personas using
LibreOffice that the Personas folder “/Gallery/Personas” and the entry in
the registrymodifications.xcu file are created.

Changing the text colour may seem like an unnecessary luxury. However, the
default of black does not show up well on a dark image.  Hope this helps..
Peter




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Create Firefox Personas for LibreOffice 4 in LibreOffice 4

[Peter Maunder]

The Personas used by LibreOffice is stored in the User/Gallery/Personas
folder. The access information is stored in the
User/registrymodifications.xcu file.  The settings are in the
PersonasSettings. An example is given below.

 item oor:path=/org.openoffice.Office.Common/Miscprop
oor:name=PersonaSettings
oor:op=fusevalueHeader.jpg;Footer.jpg;#ff;#f5f5f5/value/prop/item

Where the header and footer are .jpg  or .png format. The text colour is
#rrbbgg format and the accent the same. Where #00 is black and #ff
is white. The Firefox  footer and accent are not currently used in LibO. 

By careful copying and renaming, you can change the LibO personas without
needing the Firefox website. 

Be careful when modifying the registrymodifications.xcu file. Always take a
backup before making any changes. Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.

[Peter Maunder]

Well there are three main issues that meet here and it helps me to keep them
separate. I hope I am not confusing matters further by describing them.

1) Unicode, which  your system supports, the standard characters that the
system understands.
2) The Fonts you are using and are installed on your system, the characters
they support.
3) Libreoffice using and depends on Unicode and the fonts.

A little history.
Unicode 5.0 was released July 2006. It encoded 99,089 characters.
Unicode 5.1 was released March 2008. It encoded 100,713 characters.
Unicode 5.2 was released in October 2009. It encoded 107,361 characters.
Unicode 6.0 was released in October 2010. It encoded 109,449 characters.
As of today 6.3 is the current version.
There is plenty of space left before the million + spaces are filled.
Unicode 5 has a gap between U+1D7FF and 2F800

On my system Ubuntu 12.04 with LibreOffice 4.2 using the DejaVuSans font.
 U+1F637  gives in DejaVuSans  but the fork and knife character
(U+1F374) which is a part of Unicode 6.0
 and is not in the font shows up on my system as  or a blank box. I can
insert the face as a special character, and both the characters using the
keyboard U+1Fxxx

So it appears the system recognises Unicode 6.3. The font recognises the
face but not the knife and fork and LibreOffice uses the two.  If I had a
font with  the correct Unicode knife and fork, I assume that would also show
up. But you will need a font that is new enough to show the character.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Limited Unicode Support in LibreOffice 4.1.4.2? Character insertion, non-zero (SMP, SIP) planes, and multi language documents.

[Peter Maunder]

♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote
 Thanks for the suggestion. After reading your reply, I suspect this might
 be issues of LibreOffice on Windows (or more precisely Windows with asian
 code page configured for non-Unicode applications) but not on Linux.
 
 As for keyboard direct input, Windows appear to be somehow lagging behind,
 allowing no non-zero plane code points.

I agree that this is probably not a LibreOffice issue. If you are using a
multitude of exotic code blocks and fonts you need to be very careful to
keep to the International code point standards. You also need to check that
you are using the same copy of the fonts and that you do not have various
versions confusing the issue.   It certainly makes this easier to use
Unicode which is why it is the default for the Internet.


♪͡♪♪͡♪Neil Ren♪͡♪♪͡♪ wrote
 In my case, and possible in Windows' case, the system recognises Unicode
 6.3. The font recognises the face but not the knife and fork, but
 LibreOffice uses neither of the two.

You say that your system is not defined as Unicode, therefore it doesn't
recognise Unicode 6.3. It will then depend on whether the fonts you are
using do actually have the same characters at the same code point, and are
not variations. LibreOffice uses Unicode as much as your system supports
the code points.
 I think that 6.3 is rather a red herring as it is the font that needs the
character. The �� character that you sometimes see in emails replacing an
apostrophe  is a good example of mixing character sets  and overwriting
Unicode.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: how many languages can LO support at the same time. . .

[Peter Maunder]

 Inserting special characters for Español [Spanish] and Français
 [French] is easy if you have a Unicode font or a good inclusive one that
 has the needed characters when viewed with the Insert Special Character
 option.  I have done that myself for a few things.

When typing European Languages, as well as the LibO option of Insert Special
Characters you can also define the Keyboard as extended. (details will
differ depending on your operating system). This allows you to type French,
German characters directly (áéîçßýð) and the € (euro) sign and not
forgetting «», the French quotation marks.  In Europe the level 3 key is
called Alt Gr but I believe that many America keyboards label it simply as
the Alt key on the right of the keyboard. 

In Europe, keyboards default to extended, but this is not the case in
America.. Peter






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[libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to change url for persona settings

[Peter Maunder]

I have been trying to summarise the current Personas situation to clarify the
situation in my mind. I am documenting it in case it may be of interest to
any of you. Does it need to be reported as a bug? Is it just a Linux
problem? 

My environment is UBUNTU 12.04 (x2) and LINUX-MINT MATE 13. I am running
LibO 3.6.4.3, 4.0.4.2 and now 4.1.0.4. LibO 4.0 and 4.1 run from
Applications/Office Panels and share the same .config files, LibO 3.6 uses 
hand made panel. Only one version is run at a time. All three systems run
home made personas on Firefox, Thunderbird and LibO 4.0 and 4.1

1. LibO 4.0 supported the INSTALLATION and DISPLAY of Personas but no
control over the TEXT or ACCENT colours.

2 LibO 4.1 RC4 supports the DISPLAY of Personas, TEXT colours but not the
INSTALLATION  of Personas nor ACCENT colours.

3. Because the .config files for 4.0 and 4.1 were so different in size, I
decided to recreate the files for 4.1 and then manually add the
/Gallery/Personas folder and modify registrymodifications.xcu file to
restore the settings from 4.0.

4. I now run 4.0 and 4.1 from the same .config files and use the same
personas.

5. By using a standard name for the personas I wish to use, I no longer need
to modify the registrymodifications.xcu file.

6. I use GIMP to create a new Personas, FIREFOX PERSONAS PLUS to test the
new Personas without the need to upload the personas to the firefox website.
When happy I copy the new personas and rename it to the LibO Personas
folder, restart LibO and I am away.

7. I can find my way to manage my and my Wife's personas (she is the
artist), but the ordinary user will struggle with the current situation.

Changes to the registrymodifications.xcu file

before 
oor:name=PersonaSettings oor:op=fusevalue/value/prop/item

after
oor:op=fusevalueHeader.jpg;Footer.jpg;#ff;#ff/value/prop/item

Where Header.jpg and Footer.jpg are Personas stored in  the
.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery/personas folder

Text Colour (Working) #rrggbb (ff = white, #00 = black)
Accent colour #ff (Not yet implemented)

Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Printing problems - US Letter / A4

[Peter Maunder]

The system PAPERSIZE is usually set when installing and updating an Ubuntu
system using PAPERCONFIG. 

If the papersize file does not exist, programs using the paper library
default to using letter as a fall-back value. Permitted papersize values
include  a3 a4 a5 b5 letter legal executive note and 11×17. 
When the default papersize is changed using paperconfig, it notifies other
packages of the change by running the scripts in the /etc/libpaper.d
directory if any.  My system has none.   

When I upgraded to Ubuntu 12.04 my PAPERSIZE was changed to LETTER and LibO
kept defaulting to LETTER. It took me a while to find the problem. Likewise
my American netbook was initially set to letter although my printer was A4.
What caused the problem I don't know.

However, the software needs to check the PAPERSIZE file on startup or
installation. LibO seems to do this, not certain about PDF reader.

One symptom of a paper size mismatch (A4 thinks it is letter) can be a blank
sheet of paper ejected after the printed page.
Printing has always been a dark art. My wife has a special requirement only
available in letter size which keeps me on my toes.  Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Printing problems - US Letter / A4

[Peter Maunder]

In an Ubuntu system, the default papersize is held in the /etc/papersize
file. If you set the language to say US, papersize can be set to US Letter
even though the printer default is actually A4. Similarly an English system
in America can be set to A4 although the actual printer is US Letter. It is
the difference between the actual Language setting and the physical printer. 

I would always advise you check this setting before setting the LibreOffice
printer defaults. Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to change url for persona settings

[Peter Maunder]

Bad2theBone wrote
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 Just recently started checking out Fedora 19 on another system. This
 version comes with LibreOffice 4.1. I found that I was not able to
 setup my Persona settings in this version. My main system has 4.0.4.2
 and just on a hunch I copied the libreoffice sub-dir in .config to my
 test system after renaming it on that system. It now works, although I
 haven't tried changing it now that I think of it since doing that.
 
 Anyone know enough about the config db or file to shed some light on
 why this happened. Also is there any major difference between config
 tool in 4.0 verses 4.1 that could create problems? Or is it possible
 to be a Fedora thing and not generic LibreOffice problem?

Have a look at bugs 63498 and 59230 to see whether yours is a related
problem. I have the same symptoms with 4.1 debian install and Ubuntu 12.04
and Mint-Mate Maya... Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: desktop-integration

[Peter Maunder]

I confirm that the 4.1.0.3 can install alongside 4.0.4.2 on DEB systems,
except for the application panels. One reason may be that they use the same
./config/libreoffice/4 folders.

I have 3.6.4.3,  4.0.4.2 and 4.1.0.3 all installed on two systems an Ubuntu
12.04 desktop and a Linux-Mint-Mate 13. I used the sudo dpkg -i *.deb
method.

I can run all three versions, but only one at a time. The application panels
refer to the 4.0 version. These replaced the 3.6 panels when I added the 4.0
version. The 4.0 panels are still there when I added 4.1  as they were not
updated when installing 4.1, So I assume you would need to uninstall 4.0
first.

I manually created a soffice and swriter startup panels for 3.6 and 4.1 as
the applications are held in separate  /opt folders as libreoffice3.6,
libreoffice4.0 and libreoffice4.1. However 4.0 and 4.1 both use the same
./config/libreoffice/4 folder, just as version 3.6 uses the /3 configuration
folder. The earlier /beta version used ./config/libreofficedev/4 which did
allow 4.0 and 4.1 to use different settings. 

I hope this helps a little bit.. Peter



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[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0.1.2/Win/Writer] Printing labels with odd sheets?

[Peter Maunder]

Yes, you can print on labels with no margins between them. I would suggest
you use a PAGE STYLE to set the top, bottom, left and right printable areas.
Make them a little larger than the actual margin to give room for error. 
Then the table will be the same size as the labels.
If you add a narrow column over the 'join' between the labels you can use it
to place the text in the second and third labels across the page.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0.1.2/Win/Writer] Printing labels with odd sheets?

[Peter Maunder]

When you insert a table you can define the number of rows and columns and the
column (label) widths .  Then select all the table and adjust the row height
to that of the labels.
There isn't a table fill command in the table definition that I know about.
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