Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Wow!!!  It's rare for someone to go ahead and make something like that
which many other people would also probably find useful!!  Welcome in
chap!

Is there any chance of you uploading your Extension to
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/

Preferably give it an Open Source / copyleft license such as a
"Creative Commons" license?  Then other people might be able to help
by looking over your code, suggesting and making changes and generally
helping keep it up-to-date
http://creativecommons.org/

Many thanks and regards (and congrats) from
Tom :)))

On 4 February 2014 19:01, iveand  wrote:
> Stephan (and others),
>
> Thanks again for your reply.  With your help here and from the bug
> report referenced earlier I have been able to successfully create an
> .oxt that will set "our preferred settings".  As it is a "shared"
> extension it sits between the "system settings" (which are overridden on
> new version upgrade) and the "user settings".  So, a user can still
> override these settings should they wish.
>
>> Sorry, my DevGuide URL was wrong, it should be
>> .
>>
>
> Unfortunately this seems "offline" today, as it is just displaying an
> empty page.  I got it from Google Cache, however, and with your other
> example links was able to put something together.  I would hope that
> somehow  would link to a "how to make
> extensions for beginners guide", which could be the AOO docs for now as
> a minimum.
>
>> For an example "configuration-only" extension,
>>  has a link to
>> 
>> which in turn has a link to
>> .
>>
>
> For anyone interested, here then is my first stab at creating an
> extension which will set our required "system wide defaults".  It is
> installed with "unopkg add --shared ssg-defaults.oxt"
>
> 
>
> For first timers (this was me until yesterday), the .oxt source can be
> viewed the same as a .zip archive (can even change the extension to .zip
> if you like: they are interchangeable but you want it as an .oxt in the
> finished form)
>
> For some of the settings, they aren't correctly seen by the user until
> after we remove the user's pre-existing "registrymodifications.xcu"
> (even if we didn't intentionally have any of those values overridden).
> It is my guess that is because there are some of the keys listed in the
> default generated registrymodifications.xcu that conflict -- if it was
> generated BEFORE the installation of this newly created extension.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> iveand
>
>
>>
>> [Btw, your reply mail looked really garbled, see above. Could it be
>> you're using a mail client that only produces poorly formatted plaintext
>> alongside an HTML alternative?]
>
> I noticed that too, so thanks for the warning: I think it is the
> thunderbird "always html" extension, which I have now disabled.
> Unfortunate bug it seems in thunderbird which will revert things to text
> only email even if they were intended as html otherwise.  Another
> discussion for another list, however!  So, we'll see how this one turns
> out, and if people can follow it clearly or not.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 02/04/2014 08:01 PM, iveand wrote:

For some of the settings, they aren't correctly seen by the user until
after we remove the user's pre-existing "registrymodifications.xcu"
(even if we didn't intentionally have any of those values overridden).
It is my guess that is because there are some of the keys listed in the
default generated registrymodifications.xcu that conflict -- if it was
generated BEFORE the installation of this newly created extension.


Yes, if ever a value has been written into the user's 
registrymodifications.xcu it wins over any (non-final) value from lower 
layers.  (And for some entries the writing may well have been solely at 
LO's discretion, not obviously linked to an explicit user action.)  Do 
you have an example of an entry that didn't work?


Stephan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[iveand]

Stephan (and others),

Thanks again for your reply.  With your help here and from the bug
report referenced earlier I have been able to successfully create an
.oxt that will set "our preferred settings".  As it is a "shared"
extension it sits between the "system settings" (which are overridden on
new version upgrade) and the "user settings".  So, a user can still
override these settings should they wish.

> Sorry, my DevGuide URL was wrong, it should be
> .
> 

Unfortunately this seems "offline" today, as it is just displaying an
empty page.  I got it from Google Cache, however, and with your other
example links was able to put something together.  I would hope that
somehow  would link to a "how to make
extensions for beginners guide", which could be the AOO docs for now as
a minimum.

> For an example "configuration-only" extension,
>  has a link to
> 
> which in turn has a link to
> .
> 

For anyone interested, here then is my first stab at creating an
extension which will set our required "system wide defaults".  It is
installed with "unopkg add --shared ssg-defaults.oxt"



For first timers (this was me until yesterday), the .oxt source can be
viewed the same as a .zip archive (can even change the extension to .zip
if you like: they are interchangeable but you want it as an .oxt in the
finished form)

For some of the settings, they aren't correctly seen by the user until
after we remove the user's pre-existing "registrymodifications.xcu"
(even if we didn't intentionally have any of those values overridden).
It is my guess that is because there are some of the keys listed in the
default generated registrymodifications.xcu that conflict -- if it was
generated BEFORE the installation of this newly created extension.

Thanks again,

iveand


> 
> [Btw, your reply mail looked really garbled, see above. Could it be
> you're using a mail client that only produces poorly formatted plaintext
> alongside an HTML alternative?]

I noticed that too, so thanks for the warning: I think it is the
thunderbird "always html" extension, which I have now disabled.
Unfortunate bug it seems in thunderbird which will revert things to text
only email even if they were intended as html otherwise.  Another
discussion for another list, however!  So, we'll see how this one turns
out, and if people can follow it clearly or not.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 02/03/2014 08:39 PM, iveand wrote:

No
   idea what specific system integration Ubuntu offers for
   LibreOffice, but the recommended way to install site-wide
   configuration settings for stock LibreOffice is via extensions
   that are installed as shared or 
bundled.(Seehttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensionsfor
 details.)Stephan and others,Thanks for the reply, but unfortunately the above 
link seems
 basically empty.I then checked outhttp://extensions.libreoffice.org/and 
see some resources on getting
 started developing.But I am not wanting to re-invent the wheel here and 
code something
 up from scratch so is there any sample extension that anyone knows
 of that will adjust any default values in the *.xcd XML files (or
 alternatively maybe they point LibreOffice to an additional location
 for settings that could be held in a custom "system wide" .xcu
 file?)I am not looking to add "interactive features" to LibreOffice, but
 simply to adjust some of the default settings on a "system wide"
 level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
 fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
 .xcu?) of "my" unique settings static, and the extension would just
 put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point to it?Regards 
and thanks again,iveand


Sorry, my DevGuide URL was wrong, it should be 
.


For an example "configuration-only" extension, 
 has a link to 
 
which in turn has a link to 
.


Stephan

[Btw, your reply mail looked really garbled, see above.  Could it be 
you're using a mail client that only produces poorly formatted plaintext 
alongside an HTML alternative?]


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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 03/02/2014 21:03, iveand a écrit :
> I am
>   not looking to add "interactive features" to LibreOffice, but
>   simply to adjust some of the default settings on a "system wide"
>   level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
>   fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
>   .xcu?) of "my" unique settings static, and the extension would
>   just put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point
>   to it?I think I am making some progress as I found this 
> link:https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Non-code_extensionsIn that link is this 
> information:Extension
>   support in the Configuration Manager

I'd suggest a simple method: install LibO on a clean machine. Set it up
to your liking then save the user profile from this machine. All you've
got to do afterwards is to restore the saved user profile to each and
every new install. Then everyone has got the same in-house settings.

I'm using this very method to do exactly that.
Under Windows, I combine this with ActiveSetup so that I get an
automatic user-setting: I save the user profile somewhere on the PC (in
a subdir of ProgramFiles/LibreOffice) and configure ActiveSetup to go
and copy these settings to the new user profile. And that's it.

-- 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 03/02/2014 21:03, iveand a écrit :
> I am
>   not looking to add "interactive features" to LibreOffice, but
>   simply to adjust some of the default settings on a "system wide"
>   level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
>   fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
>   .xcu?) of "my" unique settings static, and the extension would
>   just put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point
>   to it?I think I am making some progress as I found this 
> link:https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Non-code_extensionsIn that link is this 
> information:Extension
>   support in the Configuration Manager

I'd suggest a simple method: install LibO on a clean machine. Set it up
to your liking then save the user profile from this machine. All you've
got to do afterwards is to restore the saved user profile to each and
every new install. Then everyone has got the same in-house settings.

I'm using this very method to do exactly that.
Under Windows, I combine this with ActiveSetup so that I get an
automatic user-setting: I save the user profile somewhere on the PC (in
a subdir of ProgramFiles/LibreOffice) and configure ActiveSetup to go
and copy these settings to the new user profile. And that's it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[iveand]

I am
  not looking to add "interactive features" to LibreOffice, but
  simply to adjust some of the default settings on a "system wide"
  level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
  fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
  .xcu?) of "my" unique settings static, and the extension would
  just put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point
  to it?I think I am making some progress as I found this 
link:https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Non-code_extensionsIn that link is this 
information:Extension
  support in the Configuration Manager
--




The Configuration Manager has a similar ability as the UNO
Service Manager, it can scan a set of folders for data and puts
them all together. The list of folders is extendable itself
(through configmanager.ini) so that the Config Manager can get
additional "layers". It even has the ability to use other
backends than the file system for additional layers but I leave
this out here.


The configuration data is arranged in a tree structure, data
can be filled into this structure in every layer. The
Configuration Manager scans the layers (folders) in a way that
the data in "higher" layers either replaces or extends the data
in "lower" layers, pretty much like the Windows registry does.
Whether data is replaced or extended depends on the type of the
data and is explained in the discussion of theconfiguration
  schema for our path settings.


By default OpenOffice.org has two layers you already know:
"share" and "user". The former contains preinstalled data, the
latter takes all settings a particular users created by himself.
Configuration files in OOo extensions create two new layers,
"share/uno_packages" and "user/uno_packages". They lie in
between the default layers, in the obvious order of priority
"share" - "share/uno_packages" - "user/uno_packages" - "user".


So an extension can extend or change the OpenOffice.org
configuration by providing xcu files that overwrite or extend
(merge) configuration settings of OpenOffice.org. It can also
have its own configuration settings if it provides schema (xcs)
files for them.


There is another (pretty obvious) use case for the layering
concept of the Configuration Manager: overwriting the
preinstalled OpenOffice.org configuration settings on the "all
users" level. An administrator can customize the OpenOffice.org
installation in his own account, take the created xcu files
containing these customizations and bundle them in an extension
that he installs with "unopkg add --shared" each time he
installs, reinstalls or updates OpenOffice.org. No need to edit
the xcu files in "share/registry" by hand!File:Configuration.oxtis
an example for such configuration file. It sets "Load printer
settings with the document" (found in Tools-Options-Load/Save)
to "false". It contains a Common.xcu file with just this
setting. It's important that this Common.xcu file is referenced
in the manifest.xml.


The layering concept of the service registry and the
configuration are the basic principles that create the power of
OOo extensions.
So, I have downloaded the sample "Configuration.oxt" and will see if
I am able to move toward creating my own .oxt.Also for others that may be 
curious is this 
thread:https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21t=40827Thanks,iveand
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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[iveand]

I am
  not looking to add "interactive features" to LibreOffice, but
  simply to adjust some of the default settings on a "system wide"
  level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
  fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
  .xcu?) of "my" unique settings static, and the extension would
  just put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point
  to it?I think I am making some progress as I found this 
link:https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Non-code_extensionsIn that link is this 
information:Extension
  support in the Configuration Manager
--




The Configuration Manager has a similar ability as the UNO
Service Manager, it can scan a set of folders for data and puts
them all together. The list of folders is extendable itself
(through configmanager.ini) so that the Config Manager can get
additional "layers". It even has the ability to use other
backends than the file system for additional layers but I leave
this out here.


The configuration data is arranged in a tree structure, data
can be filled into this structure in every layer. The
Configuration Manager scans the layers (folders) in a way that
the data in "higher" layers either replaces or extends the data
in "lower" layers, pretty much like the Windows registry does.
Whether data is replaced or extended depends on the type of the
data and is explained in the discussion of theconfiguration
  schema for our path settings.


By default OpenOffice.org has two layers you already know:
"share" and "user". The former contains preinstalled data, the
latter takes all settings a particular users created by himself.
Configuration files in OOo extensions create two new layers,
"share/uno_packages" and "user/uno_packages". They lie in
between the default layers, in the obvious order of priority
"share" - "share/uno_packages" - "user/uno_packages" - "user".


So an extension can extend or change the OpenOffice.org
configuration by providing xcu files that overwrite or extend
(merge) configuration settings of OpenOffice.org. It can also
have its own configuration settings if it provides schema (xcs)
files for them.


There is another (pretty obvious) use case for the layering
concept of the Configuration Manager: overwriting the
preinstalled OpenOffice.org configuration settings on the "all
users" level. An administrator can customize the OpenOffice.org
installation in his own account, take the created xcu files
containing these customizations and bundle them in an extension
that he installs with "unopkg add --shared" each time he
installs, reinstalls or updates OpenOffice.org. No need to edit
the xcu files in "share/registry" by hand!File:Configuration.oxtis
an example for such configuration file. It sets "Load printer
settings with the document" (found in Tools-Options-Load/Save)
to "false". It contains a Common.xcu file with just this
setting. It's important that this Common.xcu file is referenced
in the manifest.xml.


The layering concept of the service registry and the
configuration are the basic principles that create the power of
OOo extensions.
So, I have downloaded the sample "Configuration.oxt" and will see if
I am able to move toward creating my own .oxt.Also for others that may be 
curious is this 
thread:https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21t=40827Thanks,iveand
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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[iveand]

No
  idea what specific system integration Ubuntu offers for
  LibreOffice, but the recommended way to install site-wide
  configuration settings for stock LibreOffice is via extensions
  that are installed as shared or 
bundled.(Seehttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensionsfor
 details.)Stephan and others,Thanks for the reply, but unfortunately the above 
link seems
basically empty.I then checked outhttp://extensions.libreoffice.org/and see 
some resources on getting
started developing.But I am not wanting to re-invent the wheel here and 
code something
up from scratch so is there any sample extension that anyone knows
of that will adjust any default values in the *.xcd XML files (or
alternatively maybe they point LibreOffice to an additional location
for settings that could be held in a custom "system wide" .xcu
file?)I am not looking to add "interactive features" to LibreOffice, but
simply to adjust some of the default settings on a "system wide"
level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
.xcu?) of "my" unique settings static, and the extension would just
put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point to it?Regards 
and thanks again,iveand
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[libreoffice-users] Persistent System Level Custom Options?

[rik-shaw]

Hello All,Is there any way to define customized options at the "system level"
that won't be overridden when a new version of LibreOffice is
installed?Right now, we use xmlstarlet to make a few entries in
/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/registry/main.xcd (and writer.xcd,
calc.xcd).However, this directory appears to beoverwrittenwhen LibreOffice 
upgrades (on Ubuntu based systems using the
LibreOffice PPAs).We can "hack around" to make sure that every user's
registrymodifications.xcu has the values we want (again using
xmlstarlet), but this seems like an ugly hack.Better to have
system level settings persistent, and then IF a user's
registrymodifications.xcu overrides this value, so be it.We also know we 
can modify registrymodifcations.xcu at the /etc/skel
level, or put registrymodifications.xcu in
/usr/lib/libreoffice/presets (however, it seems like a bug that this
file is NOT copied to a users ~/.config/libreoffice folder ... see
this bug:https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69609)Again, I am 
thinking it is the cleanest would be if there were a way
to make the change at the system level, if a user has overridden
then respect it.So, any pointers on how to define "persistentsystem level
customized options" would be much appreciated.Thanks,rik-shaw
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Re: [libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 01/30/2014 12:31 PM, iveand wrote:

Hello All,Is there any way to define customized options at the "system level"
 that won't be overridden when a new version of LibreOffice is
 installed?Right now, we use xmlstarlet to make a few entries in
 /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/registry/main.xcd (and writer.xcd,
 calc.xcd).However, this directory appears to beoverwrittenwhen LibreOffice 
upgrades (on Ubuntu based systems using the
 LibreOffice PPAs).We can "hack around" to make sure that every user's
 registrymodifications.xcu has the values we want (again using
 xmlstarlet), but this seems like an ugly hack.Better to have
 system level settings persistent, and then IF a user's
 registrymodifications.xcu overrides this value, so be it.We also know we 
can modify registrymodifcations.xcu at the /etc/skel
 level, or put registrymodifications.xcu in
 /usr/lib/libreoffice/presets (however, it seems like a bug that this
 file is NOT copied to a users ~/.config/libreoffice folder ... see
 this bug:https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69609)Again, I am 
thinking it is the cleanest would be if there were a way
 to make the change at the system level, if a user has overridden
 then respect it.So, any pointers on how to define "persistentsystem level
 customized options" would be much appreciated.Thanks,iveand


No idea what specific system integration Ubuntu offers for LibreOffice, 
but the recommended way to install site-wide configuration settings for 
stock LibreOffice is via extensions that are installed as shared or 
bundled.  (See 
 for 
details.)


Stephan

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[libreoffice-users] *Persistent* System Level Custom Options?

[iveand]

Hello All,Is there any way to define customized options at the "system level"
that won't be overridden when a new version of LibreOffice is
installed?Right now, we use xmlstarlet to make a few entries in
/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/registry/main.xcd (and writer.xcd,
calc.xcd).However, this directory appears to beoverwrittenwhen LibreOffice 
upgrades (on Ubuntu based systems using the
LibreOffice PPAs).We can "hack around" to make sure that every user's
registrymodifications.xcu has the values we want (again using
xmlstarlet), but this seems like an ugly hack.Better to have
system level settings persistent, and then IF a user's
registrymodifications.xcu overrides this value, so be it.We also know we 
can modify registrymodifcations.xcu at the /etc/skel
level, or put registrymodifications.xcu in
/usr/lib/libreoffice/presets (however, it seems like a bug that this
file is NOT copied to a users ~/.config/libreoffice folder ... see
this bug:https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69609)Again, I am 
thinking it is the cleanest would be if there were a way
to make the change at the system level, if a user has overridden
then respect it.So, any pointers on how to define "persistentsystem level
customized options" would be much appreciated.Thanks,iveand
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