Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
never punctual wrote: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I understand how manual hyphenation works now! From how you explain it, it looks like you understand, yes. By the way I tried out Ctrl + Enter, and all it did was move my cursor down to the next page. I think the key combination should be SHIFT+ENTER. The other key combination (CTRL+ENTER) is actually for Insert page break. Finally, I think I still don't understand exactly how Tools -- Language -- Hyphenation works, but I think I got a little closer. It just says hyphenation complete when I go to it without typing anything, but if I type something and add a manual hyphenation somewhere, that function seems to let me choose where to put a hyphen in a word (the equal signs are places where I can place the hyphen) even if I don't select any text. But this option seems a bit inflexible because I can only insert hyphens at the equal signs, and nowhere else. Am I missing something? Honestly, I haven't really used hyphenation before (especially the Tools - Language - Hyphenation function), so I can't really help you there. Nevertheless, I agree with planas in an earlier post... It appears to work much like spell checking typically does. Looks like you run it after you've mostly completed your document, then it suggests manual hyphenations. But I do suggest adding automatic hyphenation to your paragraph style if you want it to automatically hyphenate your text. If you have automatic hyphenation, then you don't need to add manual hyphenation to words. It is described in the wiki page listed earlier (http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Hyphenation) but I'll just quickly mention it here: 1. Open up Styles and formatting by pressing F11 (if it is not already open). 2. Select the paragraph style that should get automatic hyphenation (e.g. Default). This can be done by selecting the paragraph in the text, or by selecting the style manually in Styles and formatting 3. On the selected style name (within Styles and formatting) do the following: Right-click - Modify... 4. Select the Text flow tab. 5. Under the section Hyphenation (at the very top) tick the box labelled Automatically. 6. Click OK (you can modify the other hyphenation options if you want, but I think the default values are fine). The paragraphs style you modified should now automatically hyphenate. The steps mentioned above are for my system, I'm not sure if they are identical on other operating systems. Regards Stephan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
Thanks for the suggestions so far. I guess hyphenation could be useful in some cases, but it seems to be more of a luxury for me to have that feature at the moment because I'm still not sure how the Tools -- Language -- Hyphenation option works. However, I did look into the Word Wrap option. All the options under Format -- Wrap are greyed out, and I think this is why: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=32373start=0 I think that Word Wrap option refers to wrapping around pictures, and not what I want to do (leave the first part of the long word on the line it started on). I think this is why it's greyed out by default; I would have to paste a picture and select it or something in order to set those Word Wrap options. Ron, I think your workaround is very clever, and it worked perfectly with URLs at least. After inserting a space to split the URL, I basically created 2 separate URLs that I could fix by editing the hyperlink. In fact, I can generalize this option to long words that aren't URLs; it would actually be easier in those cases because I would just have to choose a place to split the word and not have to worry about fixing the hyperlinks to make them clickable. But is there a less time consuming and more standardized option? The short term problem with this workaround is that I have to guess at where the word should be split. It would be easier of Libreoffice Writer gave the option of allowing the long word to continue until no more characters fit in the original line instead of just bumping the whole word down to the next line, because then I won't have to figure out the exact point at which no more characters would fit. Splitting it with a space means the user is left to do all the work that could be automated by Libreoffice. The lack of this feature bothers me so much that I'm tempted to learn C++ just to add it :( -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
Hi :) The Tools - language - Hyphenation seems to be like a spell-check or grammar-check that you run through after finishing editing a document, or after you already have a chunk of text to test it on to see how it behaves. It doesn't seem to be something that stays on during edits. Regards from Tom :) From: never punctual neverpunct...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 8:07:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line? Thanks for the suggestions so far. I guess hyphenation could be useful in some cases, but it seems to be more of a luxury for me to have that feature at the moment because I'm still not sure how the Tools -- Language -- Hyphenation option works. However, I did look into the Word Wrap option. All the options under Format -- Wrap are greyed out, and I think this is why: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=32373start=0 I think that Word Wrap option refers to wrapping around pictures, and not what I want to do (leave the first part of the long word on the line it started on). I think this is why it's greyed out by default; I would have to paste a picture and select it or something in order to set those Word Wrap options. Ron, I think your workaround is very clever, and it worked perfectly with URLs at least. After inserting a space to split the URL, I basically created 2 separate URLs that I could fix by editing the hyperlink. In fact, I can generalize this option to long words that aren't URLs; it would actually be easier in those cases because I would just have to choose a place to split the word and not have to worry about fixing the hyperlinks to make them clickable. But is there a less time consuming and more standardized option? The short term problem with this workaround is that I have to guess at where the word should be split. It would be easier of Libreoffice Writer gave the option of allowing the long word to continue until no more characters fit in the original line instead of just bumping the whole word down to the next line, because then I won't have to figure out the exact point at which no more characters would fit. Splitting it with a space means the user is left to do all the work that could be automated by Libreoffice. The lack of this feature bothers me so much that I'm tempted to learn C++ just to add it :( -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
Hi In the past using different software (Ami Pro lotus smartsuite) I had created a text box to go past the margins or reduced the font size to keep it on the same line (or both); it works for me as I don't particularly like word wrapping or word splitting. But these 2 ideas might help in the mean time. John B --- On 10/06/2011 08:49, Stephan Zietsman wrote: never punctual wrote: Thanks for the suggestions so far. I guess hyphenation could be useful in some cases, but it seems to be more of a luxury for me to have that feature at the moment because I'm still not sure how the Tools -- Language -- Hyphenation option works. However, I did look into the Word Wrap option. All the options under Format -- Wrap are greyed out, and I think this is why: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=32373start=0 I think that Word Wrap option refers to wrapping around pictures, and not what I want to do (leave the first part of the long word on the line it started on). I think this is why it's greyed out by default; I would have to paste a picture and select it or something in order to set those Word Wrap options. Ron, I think your workaround is very clever, and it worked perfectly with URLs at least. After inserting a space to split the URL, I basically created 2 separate URLs that I could fix by editing the hyperlink. In fact, I can generalize this option to long words that aren't URLs; it would actually be easier in those cases because I would just have to choose a place to split the word and not have to worry about fixing the hyperlinks to make them clickable. But is there a less time consuming and more standardized option? The short term problem with this workaround is that I have to guess at where the word should be split. It would be easier of Libreoffice Writer gave the option of allowing the long word to continue until no more characters fit in the original line instead of just bumping the whole word down to the next line, because then I won't have to figure out the exact point at which no more characters would fit. Splitting it with a space means the user is left to do all the work that could be automated by Libreoffice. The lack of this feature bothers me so much that I'm tempted to learn C++ just to add it :( -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail tousers+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write topostmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Hi never punctual, I think hyphenation is probably what you're looking for. It can be applied manually or automatically. I just tested it with your superduperlongURL and it looks like it works. It is described in the wiki, I suggest you read it there: http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Hyphenation In summary (taken from the wiki page): To Automatically Hyphenate Text in a Paragraph: 1. Right-click in a paragraph, and choose Paragraph. 2. Click the Text Flow tab. 3. In the Hyphenation area, select the Automatically check box. 4. Click OK. To Automatically Hyphenate Text in Multiple Paragraphs: If you want to automatically hyphenate more than one paragraph, use a paragraph style. For example, enable the automatic hyphenation option for the Default paragraph style, and then apply the style to the paragraphs that you want to hyphenate. 1. Choose Format - Styles and Formatting, and then click the Paragraph Styles icon. 2. Right-click the paragraph style that you want to hyphenate, and then choose Modify. 3. Click the Text Flow tab. 4. In the Hyphenation area, select the Automatically check box. 5. Click OK. 6. Apply the style to the paragraphs that you want to hyphenate. To Manually Hyphenate Single Words: To quickly insert a hyphen, click in the word where you want to add the hyphen, and then press Ctrl+Hyphen(-). Regards Stephan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG -www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: 06/09/11 19:34:00 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
never punctual wrote: So basically, I consider my problem completely resolved now, thanks to all the replies. I only have one final question about what Stephan wrote. I went to the wiki page and I understood every part of your summary except the last part on manually hyphenating single words. I tried Ctrl and -, and I got some very small hyphen in the middle of the word where my cursor was. It almost seemed to overlap the letters instead of forcing the letters apart a little bit to make space for the hyphen. So what exactly is the point of using Ctrl and - and how is it different from using just -? Hi never punctual, the manual hyphenation is different from a normal - (I think I'm going to refer to that as a dash) in that it only actually includes the - when it is needed (i.e. at the end of the line). If you insert a normal dash in a word, then you have something like broken-word, even if the word is in the middle of the line (not at the end). If you insert a manual hyphen, then it inserts a little grey box that just indicates to the user (person editing the document) that a manual hyphen has been inserted. If that word is in the middle of the page (not at the end), then no hyphen will be printed (or exported to pdf), so it will look like brokenword. If the word is at the end of the line, then it will insert the hyphen and break the word between the two lines, so it will look like broken- next line word. The manual hyphen only puts the dash there when the word is at the end of the line. So you don't have to keep checking if you need the dash every time you edit something (making the line longer or shorter) If my explanation is unclear, feel free to ask for clarification. Regards Stephan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
In most word processors and editors I've used back in the dark ages--say, more than five years ago (and some sane versions still do) you could simply type CTRL-ENTER (i.e., tap the 'ENTER' key while holding down the 'CTRL' key) at the point where you wanted to break the line and continue typing the same line. It's worth a try; You'd be surprised how many tricks from the DOS-era still work. Best of luck. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:55 PM, never punctual neverpunct...@gmail.comwrote: Does anyone know how to make part of very long words stay on the line that their first letter started on if the long word is not the first word in the line? I know that sounded confusing, so let me give an example. Libreoffice Writer treats URLs as very long words. Say you open a blank document, and then you type a short word like office, followed by a long URL onto the first line. So right now, your document looks like this: office http://somerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn http://somerandomsuperlongurlthatdoesn/ ' tmattersomerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn'tmattersomerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn' tmatter.com/ The URL is too long to fit completely on the first line. So if you typed out this URL character by character, Libreoffice Writer will move the entire URL to the second line as soon as you reached the end of the first line! I don't want this to happen. I want whatever fits on the first line to stay on the first line. So for example, it might look like this: office http://somerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn http://somerandomsuperlongurlthatdoesn/ 'tmattersomerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn'tmat tersomerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn'tmatter.com/ Is it possible to set Libreoffice Writer to do this? I know it's not default behavior, but there are situations where I don't want to start a URL on a completely new line just because it won't completely fit on the line that it started on. Please help. Thanks! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
Hi, On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 00:07 -0700, never punctual wrote: Thanks for the suggestions so far. I guess hyphenation could be useful in some cases, but it seems to be more of a luxury for me to have that feature at the moment because I'm still not sure how the Tools -- Language -- Hyphenation option works. Sorry, I should have been clearer. When I tested it, it worked on the entire document without having to select any text. It appears to work much like spell checking typically does. However, I did look into the Word Wrap option. All the options under Format -- Wrap are greyed out, and I think this is why: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=32373start=0 I think that Word Wrap option refers to wrapping around pictures, and not what I want to do (leave the first part of the long word on the line it started on). I think this is why it's greyed out by default; I would have to paste a picture and select it or something in order to set those Word Wrap options. Ron, I think your workaround is very clever, and it worked perfectly with URLs at least. After inserting a space to split the URL, I basically created 2 separate URLs that I could fix by editing the hyperlink. In fact, I can generalize this option to long words that aren't URLs; it would actually be easier in those cases because I would just have to choose a place to split the word and not have to worry about fixing the hyperlinks to make them clickable. But is there a less time consuming and more standardized option? The short term problem with this workaround is that I have to guess at where the word should be split. It would be easier of Libreoffice Writer gave the option of allowing the long word to continue until no more characters fit in the original line instead of just bumping the whole word down to the next line, because then I won't have to figure out the exact point at which no more characters would fit. Splitting it with a space means the user is left to do all the work that could be automated by Libreoffice. The lack of this feature bothers me so much that I'm tempted to learn C++ just to add it :( -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
Thanks Stephan! I had to try out what you said, but I think understand what manual hyphenation does now. My testing revealed that I didn't need to check whether you need the dash every time you make the line longer or shorter because: 1. If you don't need the dash, the whole word will appear on the starting line, and the grey box stays invisible. 2. If you do need the dash, the word will be broken at the point where you hyphenated it 3. If you made the starting line so long that the piece before the invisible manual hyphen won't fit on the starting line anymore, the manual hyphen becomes invisible again and the whole word gets moved to the next line instead. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I understand how manual hyphenation works now! Honestly I thought your explanation was better than the wiki's explanation. By the way I tried out Ctrl + Enter, and all it did was move my cursor down to the next page. Finally, I think I still don't understand exactly how Tools -- Language -- Hyphenation works, but I think I got a little closer. It just says hyphenation complete when I go to it without typing anything, but if I type something and add a manual hyphenation somewhere, that function seems to let me choose where to put a hyphen in a word (the equal signs are places where I can place the hyphen) even if I don't select any text. But this option seems a bit inflexible because I can only insert hyphens at the equal signs, and nowhere else. Am I missing something? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
On 06/09/2011 09:55 PM, never punctual wrote: Does anyone know how to make part of very long words stay on the line that their first letter started on if the long word is not the first word in the line? I know that sounded confusing, so let me give an example. Libreoffice Writer treats URLs as very long words. Say you open a blank document, and then you type a short word like office, followed by a long URL onto the first line. So right now, your document looks like this: office http://somerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesnhttp://somerandomsuperlongurlthatdoesn/ ' tmattersomerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn'tmattersomerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn' tmatter.com/ The URL is too long to fit completely on the first line. So if you typed out this URL character by character, Libreoffice Writer will move the entire URL to the second line as soon as you reached the end of the first line! I don't want this to happen. I want whatever fits on the first line to stay on the first line. So for example, it might look like this: office http://somerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesnhttp://somerandomsuperlongurlthatdoesn/ 'tmattersomerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn'tmat tersomerandomsuperlongURLthatdoesn'tmatter.com/ Is it possible to set Libreoffice Writer to do this? I know it's not default behavior, but there are situations where I don't want to start a URL on a completely new line just because it won't completely fit on the line that it started on. Please help. Thanks! Turn off the Autocorrect -- FormatAutocorrect and uncheck the box for while typing. That fixes a lot of formatting issues I have seen crop up in my typing. This may help with yours. Also, you might want to look into the Autocorrect options in that menu as well. There is an URL option there. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
On 10/06/11 15:35, never punctual wrote: Thanks for the reply, but even after unchecking while typing under Format -- Autocorrect, my long word was still bumped down to the next line after it could no longer fit in the line it started on. The URL option may do something with URLs, but it won't help the more general problem of long words getting automatically bumped to the next line (I tested with a word that wasn't a URL). Hi. I don't suppose you want hyphenation either? steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I make long words stay on their starting line?
On 06/09/2011 09:55 PM, never punctual wrote: Does anyone know how to make part of very long words stay on the line that their first letter started on if the long word is not the first word in the line? Is it possible to set Libreoffice Writer to do this? I know it's not default behavior, but there are situations where I don't want to start a URL on a completely new line just because it won't completely fit on the line that it started on. Please help. The ideal solution is to adjust your word wrap settings in the Format - Wrap menu to turn off word wrap. As an alternative, you can insert a space in the middle of the link to keep that portion of the link on the first line. So in your example, type the text and full url and press enter. LibreOffice will convert the url to a hyperlink and it will wrap to the next line. Then find a good breaking point in the link where you want everything before that point to be on the first line, and click to place your cursor between the two characters. Then insert a space. The portion of the link before the space will move to the previous line. If you intend for your reader to click on the link from within the document, right-click on the part of the link on the first line and choose edit hyperlink and be sure the url is correct. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
