Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-31 Thread Steve Edmonds 


On 2014-09-01 06:54, Jim Seymour wrote:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:41:44 +1200
Steve Edmonds  wrote:

[snip]

Did you notice the permissions and owner on the server of the older
files and newer ones. Did the permissions change when you copied
the files. There is also a tick box in options>General to use LO
open/save dialogue boxes. I don't know if that changes anything.

[snip]

The originals had owner execute permissions, whereas the copies did
not.  The copies ended up with current modification dates.
Otherwise permissions and every other aspect of directory and files
were unchanged.


Hi.
Some guff follows, but it would be interesting to see if the owner 
executable made a difference if its somehow got mixed in with DOS 
compatibility settings.
Another possibility might be to ask on the devs list how network file 
access in LO may differ from what you find is working for other files.
I have this vague recollection on our server 2 machines ago (older 
version samba) that I could open a LO file by double clicking in the 
file browser but not in the LO file open dialogue, or vice versa. Or may 
be it was I could open a file on a network share mounted locally but not 
by browsing the network. This all came right when I updated the server 
and started with cifs.

Steve

Note that there is no bit to specify that a file is executable. DOS and 
Windows NT filesystems identify executable files by giving them the 
extensions .EXE, .COM, .CMD, or .BAT.


Consequently, there is no use for any of the three Unix executable bits 
that are present on a file in a Samba disk share. DOS files, however, 
have their own attributes that need to be preserved when they are stored 
in a Unix environment: the archive, system, and hidden bits. Samba can 
preserve these bits by reusing the executable permission bits of the 
file on the Unix side - if it is instructed to do so. Mapping these 
bits, however, has an unfortunate side-effect: if a Windows user stores 
a file in a Samba share, and you view it on Unix with the |ls| |-al| 
command, some of the executable bits won't mean what you'd expect them to.


Three Samba options decide whether the bits are mapped: |map| |archive|, 
|map| |system |, and |map| |hidden|. These options map the archive, 
system, and hidden attributes to the owner, group, and world execute 
bits of the file, respectively. You can add these options to the 
|[data]| share, setting each of their values as follows:


[data]
path = /home/samba/data
browseable = yes
guest ok = yes
writeable = yes
map archive = yes
map system = yes
map hidden = yes

After that, try creating a file in the share under Unix - such as 
|hello.java| - and change the permissions of the file to 755. With these 
Samba options set, you should be able to check the permissions on the 
Windows side and see that each of the three values has been checked in 
the Properties dialog box. What about the read-only attribute? By 
default, Samba 2.0 sets this whenever a file does not have the Unix 
owner write permission bit set. In other words, you can set this bit by 
changing the permissions of the file to 555.


We should warn you that the default value of the |map| |archive| option 
is |yes|, while the other two options have a default value of |no|. This 
is because many programs do not work properly if the archive bit is not 
stored correctly for DOS and Windows files. The system and hidden 
attributes, however, are not critical for a program's operation and are 
left to the discretion of the administrator.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-31 Thread Jim Seymour 
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:41:44 +1200
Steve Edmonds  wrote:

> 
[snip]
> Did you notice the permissions and owner on the server of the older 
> files and newer ones. Did the permissions change when you copied
> the files. There is also a tick box in options>General to use LO
> open/save dialogue boxes. I don't know if that changes anything.
[snip]

The originals had owner execute permissions, whereas the copies did
not.  The copies ended up with current modification dates.
Otherwise permissions and every other aspect of directory and files
were unchanged.

Regards,
Jim
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-31 Thread Steve Edmonds 


On 2014-09-01 00:56, Jim Seymour wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:44:49 +0200
"hdv@gmail"  wrote:


On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files.  I thought i
was on LO 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded.  I'm out of the office
for a few hours again but could check later.

Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share.  No
other files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them.


[snip]

Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues.
This problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients.

Funny this popped-up when it did.  We just had a HelpDesk report,
last week, of a similar problem.  .xls files that a user had been
opening for read for years all-of-a-sudden wouldn't open.  Windows 7
and (if memory serves) MSO 2007.  File modification dates indicated
they hadn't been modified in years.  I tested it on my desktop (Ubuntu
13.x, IIRC) and LO would churn for a while, then emit a "something
wrong in the format/encoding/something" kind of an error and bail.
(Sorry for the useless error message info.  I never bothered
recording it because I never believed it to be an LO problem.)

I copied the files to my local machine, using scp, and they opened
right up.  I created a parallel directory on the server, copied the
files from the original directory into that, and they opened just
fine. I deleted the original directory and renamed the new one to the
original's name, and they opened just fine.
Did you notice the permissions and owner on the server of the older 
files and newer ones. Did the permissions change when you copied the 
files. There is also a tick box in options>General to use LO open/save 
dialogue boxes. I don't know if that changes anything.

steve


I'm suspecting a Samba screw-up (cached metadata?), on the server, in
my case.


But one of
the more technically versed persons thought it might have to do
with the quality of the network connection.

[snip]

Not in my case.  Both the server in question and my desktop are
connected to the backbone switch with very short (less than 10m)
cable runs.

Regards,
Jim



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-31 Thread Jim Seymour 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:44:49 +0200
"hdv@gmail"  wrote:

> On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files.  I thought i
> > was on LO 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded.  I'm out of the office
> > for a few hours again but could check later.
> > 
> > Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share.  No
> > other files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them.
> > 
[snip]
> 
> Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues.
> This problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients.

Funny this popped-up when it did.  We just had a HelpDesk report,
last week, of a similar problem.  .xls files that a user had been
opening for read for years all-of-a-sudden wouldn't open.  Windows 7
and (if memory serves) MSO 2007.  File modification dates indicated
they hadn't been modified in years.  I tested it on my desktop (Ubuntu
13.x, IIRC) and LO would churn for a while, then emit a "something
wrong in the format/encoding/something" kind of an error and bail.
(Sorry for the useless error message info.  I never bothered
recording it because I never believed it to be an LO problem.)

I copied the files to my local machine, using scp, and they opened
right up.  I created a parallel directory on the server, copied the
files from the original directory into that, and they opened just
fine. I deleted the original directory and renamed the new one to the
original's name, and they opened just fine.

I'm suspecting a Samba screw-up (cached metadata?), on the server, in
my case.

> But one of
> the more technically versed persons thought it might have to do
> with the quality of the network connection.
[snip]

Not in my case.  Both the server in question and my desktop are
connected to the backbone switch with very short (less than 10m)
cable runs.

Regards,
Jim
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-30 Thread hdv@gmail 
On 2014-08-30 14:58, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :) 
> It could easily be a network problem.  I'm not convinced our network is
> working as it should but various people have tested it and said it's fine. 
> 
> Caligra opened the network files with no problem.  Refused to open them
> from the
> File - Open
> claiming that only local files could be opened.  However when i went to
> the network share and double-clicked on the file it opened just fine in
> Caligra Author
> 
> Still got to read through some of those links that Steve sent me on Friday
> Many thanks!  Good luck and regards from

Hi Tom,

Same here. Other applications don't seem to have this problem at the
same moment LO does show them. Therfore I don't think it will be the
network itself. But maybe LO uses a component that is sensitive to a
less than stellar network performance when opening files over the
network. However that is only guessing and not based on any form of
decent testing.

Grx HdV



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-30 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
It could easily be a network problem.  I'm not convinced our network is
working as it should but various people have tested it and said it's fine.

Caligra opened the network files with no problem.  Refused to open them
from the
File - Open
claiming that only local files could be opened.  However when i went to the
network share and double-clicked on the file it opened just fine in Caligra
Author

Still got to read through some of those links that Steve sent me on Friday
Many thanks!  Good luck and regards from
Tom :)





On 29 August 2014 15:44, hdv@gmail  wrote:

> On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files.  I thought i was on LO
> > 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded.  I'm out of the office for a few hours
> > again but could check later.
> >
> > Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share.  No other
> > files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them.
> >
> > I've not tried using AbiWord but from what Alex is saying i suspect it is
> > only LO and maybe only certain versions.  I've still not tried Steve's
> > links but hopefully might try those later.  Thanks HdV for confirming! :)
> > I thought i had just done somethign weird when installing Kubuntu.
>
> Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues. This
> problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients. But one of the more
> technically versed persons thought it might have to do with the quality
> of the network connection. That was because using the same laptop and
> NAS but connected to another WLAN he did not have these problems. That
> first network is indeed not constant in speed and sometimes slows down
> to a crawl (although it doesn't lose its connection altogether). He
> thought (but has not confirmed) that these problems were appearing
> mostly when that network was playing up. Maybe that information is of
> use to those trying to solve this.
>
> Grx HdV
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-29 Thread hdv@gmail 
On 2014-08-29 13:59, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files.  I thought i was on LO
> 3.5.7 but i might have upgraded.  I'm out of the office for a few hours
> again but could check later.
> 
> Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share.  No other
> files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them.
> 
> I've not tried using AbiWord but from what Alex is saying i suspect it is
> only LO and maybe only certain versions.  I've still not tried Steve's
> links but hopefully might try those later.  Thanks HdV for confirming! :)
> I thought i had just done somethign weird when installing Kubuntu.

Some additional data I just received from one of the colleagues. This
problem also appeared on Windows 7 and 8 clients. But one of the more
technically versed persons thought it might have to do with the quality
of the network connection. That was because using the same laptop and
NAS but connected to another WLAN he did not have these problems. That
first network is indeed not constant in speed and sometimes slows down
to a crawl (although it doesn't lose its connection altogether). He
thought (but has not confirmed) that these problems were appearing
mostly when that network was playing up. Maybe that information is of
use to those trying to solve this.

Grx HdV



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-29 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
Hm, but Ubuntu has no troubles with network files.  I thought i was on LO
3.5.7 but i might have upgraded.  I'm out of the office for a few hours
again but could check later.

Our file-server is a Debian one and done using a Samba share.  No other
files are affected so it's only when using LO to open them.

I've not tried using AbiWord but from what Alex is saying i suspect it is
only LO and maybe only certain versions.  I've still not tried Steve's
links but hopefully might try those later.  Thanks HdV for confirming! :)
I thought i had just done somethign weird when installing Kubuntu.
Regards from
Tom :)







On 29 August 2014 12:44, Alex Thurgood  wrote:

> Le 29/08/2014 12:37, hdv@gmail a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> > P.S. To be honest, I have neglected til now to file a bug-report for
> > this. Should have done so, but somehow I never did.
> >
>
> There have already been several bug reports about this.
>
> Alex
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-29 Thread Alex Thurgood 
Le 29/08/2014 12:37, hdv@gmail a écrit :

Hi,

> P.S. To be honest, I have neglected til now to file a bug-report for
> this. Should have done so, but somehow I never did.
> 

There have already been several bug reports about this.

Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-29 Thread hdv@gmail 
On 2014-08-29 10:19, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I have tried a different file-browser and still same problems.  Other types
> of files that are on the network opened fine so it's only when trying to
> open them in LibreOffice that there is a problem.  A different machine with
> Ubuntu on it opens the same files just fine so it's something between
> Kubuntu and LibreOffice.
> 
> Things i have not tried yet is installing the untweaked version of LO
> directly from the official website.  I have tried the one in the default
> repos and the one in the ppa.  Also Steve Edmonds gave me some links to the
> archives and i've not worked through any of those yet.
> 
> So, still got some things to try but wondering if anyone has a quick&easy
> fix
> Regards from
> Tom :)

Hi Tom,

I can confirm this.

We have the same issue here at our office. Files opened from LO that are
located on our NAS or other network shares will not open properly. Local
copies of the same file do open without any trouble whatsoever.
Suggesting it is not something in the files themselves. Moreover it
happens with all files, not just specific LO files.

This is on Debian Jessie systems with different versions of LO in them.
Both native versions, installed through aptitude, and manually installed
versions. Versions vary between 4.0 and 4.3. Don't know if it already
happened before 4.0. The shares are hosted on NASses (how do you spell
this correctly?) from Synology and IOmega, but also on a Samba host. I
don't have a Windows system available, so I have not tested whether it
also happens on those shares, but I suspect it will. All in all it makes
me think the problem might be in LO itself. Not sure though.

P.S. To be honest, I have neglected til now to file a bug-report for
this. Should have done so, but somehow I never did.

Grx HdV



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[libreoffice-users] Re: [Not to group] Re: files on network shares not opening. Own ones are ok?

2014-08-29 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
I have tried a different file-browser and still same problems.  Other types
of files that are on the network opened fine so it's only when trying to
open them in LibreOffice that there is a problem.  A different machine with
Ubuntu on it opens the same files just fine so it's something between
Kubuntu and LibreOffice.

Things i have not tried yet is installing the untweaked version of LO
directly from the official website.  I have tried the one in the default
repos and the one in the ppa.  Also Steve Edmonds gave me some links to the
archives and i've not worked through any of those yet.

So, still got some things to try but wondering if anyone has a quick&easy
fix
Regards from
Tom :)


On 28 August 2014 23:10, Steve Edmonds  wrote:

>  Hi.
> Old debian will be samba most likely.
> I think samba had some issue with LO. Check out accessing another file
> first (a txt file or something).
> A quick look in my mail box has these subjects
> Re: [libreoffice-users] "save as" on a samba server (2011)
> RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Documents Not Opening On External Drive (2011)
> [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice can't open remote file from samba shared
> directory (2012)
> [libreoffice-users] Re: locked in other OS (2012)
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 2014-08-29 09:51, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>  Hi :)
>  Err, when i say old debian i mean i can't install stuff because it's so
> old.
>
> Of course on the desktop machine i can use sudo to temporarily act as
> Root.  I've never used openSuSE but i get the feeling that whichever one
> you are closest to and more familiar with is the one you are most likely to
> have spotted the awkward bits of.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> On 28 August 2014 22:42, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>>  Hi :)
>>  Thanks! :)  I am a bit lost with all this tbh!  The file-server is an
>> old debian.
>>
>> I could try editing the fstab but automounting a file-share makes me
>> worry about what happens if the file-share goes off-line.  I have no idea
>> what the cifs stuff is doing.  I think our server uses samba shares but i'm
>> not sure if that's the same or different.
>>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 August 2014 22:37, Steve Edmonds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Search through nabble. There has been similar discussion previously a
>>> while back.
>>> I think to do with mandatory locking or byte locking, nbl option or
>>> something.
>>>
>>> What file server are you running. I mount my shares from the network on
>>> my machine in my login script rather than browse the network for files.
>>> That way any network files I would normally access from my machine are
>>> available when I ssh into it rather than have to go to each different file
>>> server to fetch a file.
>>> i.e. an example I use on my home network, the workplace arrangement is
>>> similar, in .profile I have
>>> #new mount.cifs with lines in fstab and credential file
>>> ((mount|grep //10.2.1.248/steve) || /sbin/mount.cifs //10.2.1.248/steve
>>> /home/steve/network/NAS/steve)
>>> ((mount|grep //10.2.1.248/public) || /sbin/mount.cifs //
>>> 10.2.1.248/public /home/steve/network/NAS/public)
>>>
>>> And in /etc/fstab
>>> //10.2.1.248/public   /home/steve/network/NAS/public cifs
>>> noauto,user,credentials=/home/steve/.stardomcred,nosetuids,rw 0 0
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, and one frustrating thing is that in suse the mount command is
>>> not user executable so I have to fix that.
>>> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 40112 Nov  5  2012 /usr/bin/mount
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-08-29 07:45, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi :)
>>>  Ahh, i tried both ways but i think both go through Dolphin don't they?
>>>
>>> I've used Dolphin on non-KDE when Nautilus let me down with
>>> network-shares on a different network and it worked a treat then.  I didn't
>>> think of trying a different file-browser.  Konqueror is another good KDE
>>> one isn't it?
>>>
>>>  I am not sure how the network drive has been mounted.  It has just
>>> occurred to me that i didn't try opening any other types of files over the
>>> network before leaving the office.
>>>
>>>  I'm at home now and ssh'd into the company network so i can reinstall
>>> LibreOffice remotely and i'd already torrented both "Fresh" and "Still" so
>>> i have got choices wrt that.
>>>
>>>  Thanks for the hints!  Gives me things to try :))
>>>  Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 28 August 2014 20:29, Steve Edmonds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi again, are you opening from the LO file menu or clicking on the file
 in Dolphin.

 Steve
 On 2014-08-29 05:30, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> Err, i just tried renaming the user-profile and it had no effect.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 28 August 2014 18:20, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>  Hi :)
>> On Kubuntu 14.04 with LibreOffice 4.2.4
>>
>> I can open files that are on the desktop machine i am sitting in
>> front of
>> but when i try to open files that are "on the network" i just get the