Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base, Use wizard to create tables
Andreas Säger wrote: Experience is the keyword. From my experience it is a matter of pure chance if the table wizard produces a set of tables that can be related to each other. It is perfectly normal that a primary key does not fit the type of a foreign key. This is inacceptable because newbies can not understand the problems imposed by the software tool. Ah, yes, experience. Your experience is not the same as others, and you expect more from people than you should. You speak of "newbies" yet you seem to be saying that tables are easier to create in Design View and even easier using SQL. This is not my experience, nor does this seem even logical. I know how frustrated I got just typing in the SQL dialog (Tools > SQL) when creating a table even when I was copying the Base Tutorial that includes this topic. But since I do have a mathematical background, I will say: prove it. Give me an example of set of tables that can be related to each other. Prove that it can not be created with the table wizard. Be specific when you speak of the problems imposed by it when creating a table. Just remember that these tables have to be simple enough that a newbie would want to use. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base, Use wizard to create tables
Experience is the keyword. From my experience it is a matter of pure chance if the table wizard produces a set of tables that can be related to each other. It is perfectly normal that a primary key does not fit the type of a foreign key. This is inacceptable because newbies can not understand the problems imposed by the software tool. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base, Use wizard to create tables
Andreas Säger wrote: You must never use a wizard to create a table. The table wizard makes too many wrong assumption about what you need. It is easy to create a table in design view. It is even easier to create a table in SQL. Certain features are only accessible through SQL. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Base-Use-wizard-to-create-tables-tp3989732p3990301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Obviously, people disagree on these points. Some of it is a matter of personal experience. I prefer to create a table using design view, because I find it a bit limiting. However, if I am creating a table with a composite primary key, I find the table wizard useful. As far as creating a table in SQL, it all depends upon your typing ability. I tend to make too many mistakes to use this method. Although typing the SQL statements in a plain text editor and making corrections helps. The copying the statements into the SQL dialog (Tools > SQL) then works as it should. So for people like me, using SQL is harder than using design view and much more error prone. I get too many errors with no idea as to why. My suggestions: 1) If you are just beginning to use Base and are not well versed in how databases work, you probably should download the Getting Started Guide for LO. (Or you could just download the "Getting Started with Base" chapter): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications. 2) If you understand how to create tables, design view might be a good choice to use. 3) If you understand SQL, use it. You will need to get the HSQLDB user guide version 1.8. I'm not sure where you can get it though; perhaps someone else knows. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base, Use wizard to create tables
You must never use a wizard to create a table. The table wizard makes too many wrong assumption about what you need. It is easy to create a table in design view. It is even easier to create a table in SQL. Certain features are only accessible through SQL. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Base-Use-wizard-to-create-tables-tp3989732p3990301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base, Use wizard to create tables
I use LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 and the samples are present. Perhaps it is a problem with the installation or the package? What is your environment Linux/Windows ? tooodr -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Base-Use-wizard-to-create-tables-tp3989732p3990222.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
