Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Ken, you wrote about comparing unlike programs, >do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. > >But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a >Ferrari racing cars.LOL and I asked, can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) why can't we compare "different animals" according to specific ends? you replied that It depends on the specific ends. Then decide on the type of tool you wish to use. Once the type of tool is selected, then compare the different versions of that type tool. and here we agree. then you wrote: Let's say you want to disassemble an engine. How about a '57 Chevy? What kind of tool do you want to use? The first is to select the correct tools. Metric? Whitworth? SAE? The first two are obviously are not the right solution. They won't work worth a hoot. You can force them, but it would be a PITA to use. Which type of SAE tool? Wrench? Ratchet and sockets? Air tools and sockets? You decide on air tools and sockets. Now is when you compare the tools. Who makes the best air tool, for you, to do the job. Snap-on? Cleveland Pneumatic? Mac? MacTool? Cornwell? Now you have a valid basis on which to compare tools, as the all do the same basic job in the same manner. Compressed air to turn the sockets to remove nuts and bolts. That does not mean the air tool is always the best solution. Sometimes the wrench is the best solution. let me interrupt the 'car talk'; you take back with one hand what you gave with the other. we can compare things according to our 'specific ends'. but that doesn't imply that our specific ends always require 'the best solution'! good enough is often good enough. put another way, the 'the best solution' may not require including the optimally appropriate selection of tools. we could have other ends that don't require this kind of optimality. this is usually the case for casual users of image programs and of other things like selection of car or place to have dinner. And of all the variations of wrenches available, it might be a more specific wrench, an angle head wrench for example, is the best choice. If you're specific end is to manipulate individual pixels in a bitmapped graphic, you use an image editor. You don't use a vector drawing program for that. Years ago, I used a couple of programs that claimed to do both, and in the end they did neither very well. if your specific end includes this sort of optimality, yes; otherwise not so much. I'm not sure how this optimality condition slipped in. This is where you need to know what kind of specific tools are out there. In the case of computers, what types of software is available, and a general idea of their capabilities. In your scenario, your first decision is what kind of graphic image is it? Bitmapped or vector? (In they auto example, what's the measurement system used? Metric, Whitworth, or SAE.) If bitmapped, you're changing individual pixels. If vector, you're changing areas. They are different situations, requiring different tools. A bitmapped image is a painting. A vector graphic is your car. Would you use a spray can to touch up your painting? A paint brush to paint your car? Although, I knew a guy that did that! Here's an example: I've a friend who wanted to take a picture, place numbers over it and create a clock face. The only software she knew about was Photoshop Essentials. And I don't know how much time she'd spent on the project with no success. But she was frustrated. After getting details from her, I did the job for her in 15 minutes in Inkscape, learning how to do it at the same time. She had never bothered to learn what other computer tools were out there, and what they were capable of. yes, it's good to know different tools. of course not _every_ use of some suboptimal tool causes hours of wasted effort, may even spare effort. this all was a bit of a digression from my question why we cannot compare 'different animals'. seems we can. F. -- Felmon Davis If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans. -- Woody Allen -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/10/13 6:45 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/09/2013 01:33 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. I use to try to manually stitch photos together manually, but it was a very "painful" process. That is why I needed to find a good, and free, package to do it for me. Now, for stitching photos together, I tend to have 5 to 20 of them involved in the process. I tend to make large format panoramas or even 360 degree photos of some landscape. I will be doing a photo project of making a panorama of all the sides of a building as one photo. These types of photo stitching projects takes less than a minute or two with a stitching package. LOL I didn't say it was easy! Stitching packages were all but unavailable in those days. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 06/09/2013 01:33 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. I use to try to manually stitch photos together manually, but it was a very "painful" process. That is why I needed to find a good, and free, package to do it for me. Now, for stitching photos together, I tend to have 5 to 20 of them involved in the process. I tend to make large format panoramas or even 360 degree photos of some landscape. I will be doing a photo project of making a panorama of all the sides of a building as one photo. These types of photo stitching projects takes less than a minute or two with a stitching package. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Le 09/06/2013 21:45, Jay Lozier a écrit : I think you described the typical computer users. They only know a couple applications and use them even if they are not good for the situation. "I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail." (Abraham Maslow) -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 1:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I didn't really get all the car tools references but the general idea came through anyway. If you're interested, feel free to email me about the tools references, and I'll do my best to explain them. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Hi :) +1 I didn't really get all the car tools references but the general idea came through anyway. Sometimes you only need a minimal tool and then it is often better to choose something simple. However, i chose to use Gimp because i hoped to learn more skills just by seeing extra options in the menus. It's kinda worked. If i had stuck with simpler tools i might have got individual jobs done a bit faster but i probably wouldn't be able to do all that i've learned to do and it seems that some people prefer my work to properly trained professional photographers for certain events. NOt something i was aiming for though! I'm not really happy about dealing with people face-to-face but somehow hiding behind a camera seems to offset my apprehensions. Regards from Tom :) > > From: Ken Springer >To: users@global.libreoffice.org >Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 20:06 >Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free >MSO alternative is not LO > > >On 6/9/13 11:55 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: >> On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Ken Springer wrote: >> >>> >On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: >>>> >>On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: >>>>> >>>On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their >>>>>> >>>>LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and >>>>>> >>>>Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few >>>>>> >>>>categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, >>>>>> >>>>multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, >>>>>> >>>>MyPaint and Pinta. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those >>>>> >>>would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD >>>>> >>>program. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, >>>>> >>>wrong if not bogus. >>>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they >>>> >>are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list >>>> >>of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and >>>> >>Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo >>>> >>stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I >>>> >>have not looked into one for Ubuntu. >>> > >>> >Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do >>> >the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to >>> >do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. >>> > >>> >But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a >>> >Ferrari racing cars. LOL >> can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. >> altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it >> unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use >> and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? >> >> (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one >> to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call >> them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) >> >> why can't we compare "different animals" according to specific ends? > >It depends on the specific ends. Then decide on the type of tool you >wish to use. Once the type of tool is selected, then compare the >different versions of that type tool. > >Let's say you want to disassemble an engine. How about a '57 Chevy? >What kind of tool do you want to use? > >The first is to select the correct tools. Metric? Whitworth? SAE? >The first two are obviously are not the right solution. They won't work >worth a hoot. You can force them, but it would be a PITA to use. > >Which type of SAE tool? Wrench? Ratchet a
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 15:06:54 -0400, Ken Springer wrote: I've a friend who wanted to take a picture, place numbers over it and create a clock face. The only software she knew about was Photoshop Essentials. And I don't know how much time she'd spent on the project with no success. But she was frustrated. After getting details from her, I did the job for her in 15 minutes in Inkscape, learning how to do it at the same time. She had never bothered to learn what other computer tools were out there, and what they were capable of. I think you described the typical computer users. They only know a couple applications and use them even if they are not good for the situation. Most I have seen have never read any book on any of the software they use or even have one as reference. And they are completely lost if they must use the help system or online tools. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 11:55 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Ken Springer wrote: >On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: >>On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: >>>On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. >>> >>>To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. >>> >>>Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those >>>would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. >>> >>>Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD >>>program. >>> >>>Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, >>>wrong if not bogus. >>> >> >>Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they >>are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list >>of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and >>Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo >>stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I >>have not looked into one for Ubuntu. > >Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do >the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to >do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. > >But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a >Ferrari racing cars.LOL can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) why can't we compare "different animals" according to specific ends? It depends on the specific ends. Then decide on the type of tool you wish to use. Once the type of tool is selected, then compare the different versions of that type tool. Let's say you want to disassemble an engine. How about a '57 Chevy? What kind of tool do you want to use? The first is to select the correct tools. Metric? Whitworth? SAE? The first two are obviously are not the right solution. They won't work worth a hoot. You can force them, but it would be a PITA to use. Which type of SAE tool? Wrench? Ratchet and sockets? Air tools and sockets? You decide on air tools and sockets. Now is when you compare the tools. Who makes the best air tool, for you, to do the job. Snap-on? Cleveland Pneumatic? Mac? MacTool? Cornwell? Now you have a valid basis on which to compare tools, as the all do the same basic job in the same manner. Compressed air to turn the sockets to remove nuts and bolts. That does not mean the air tool is always the best solution. Sometimes the wrench is the best solution. And of all the variations of wrenches available, it might be a more specific wrench, an angle head wrench for example, is the best choice. If you're specific end is to manipulate individual pixels in a bitmapped graphic, you use an image editor. You don't use a vector drawing program for that. Years ago, I used a couple of programs that claimed to do both, and in the end they did neither very well. This is where you need to know what kind of specific tools are out there. In the case of computers, what types of software is available, and a general idea of their capabilities. In your scenario, your first decision is what kind of graphic image is it? Bitmapped or vector? (In they auto example, what's the measurement system used? Metric, Whitworth, or SAE.) If bitmapped, you're changing individual pixels. If vector, you're changing areas. They are different situations, requiring different tools. A bitmapped image is a painting. A vector graphic is your car. Would you use a spray can to touch up your painting? A paint brush to paint your car? Although, I knew a guy that did that! Here's an example: I've a friend who wanted to take a picture, place numbers over it and create a clock face. The only software she knew about was Photoshop Essentials. And I don't know how much time she'd spent on the project with no success. But she was frustrated. After getting details from her, I did the job for her in 15 minutes in Inkscape, learning how to do it at the same time. She had never bothered to learn what other computer tools were out there, and what they were capable of. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 --
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a Ferrari racing cars.LOL can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) why can't we compare "different animals" according to specific ends? F. > The problem is finding an easy one to learn and use that has all the need features you might require. This applies to any piece of software, not just graphics software. But you have to take the time to research other options, work with them enough to see which is the best tool for the job, and then use that tool. I'm doing a personal research project that will result in something printed, just not sure what. To get everything done, Writer and any other word processor I've ever used, just plain sucks. Scrivener, OTOH, is looking super promising. At the moment, the printed output is the current concern. I've just been using it for the last two weeks, not constantly of course, but I am impressed. And no, I'm not doing a movie or stage script.LOL That eye opening situation with Scrivener, now makes me want to try out LyX. http://www.lyx.org/Home Paint Shop Pro 5 was that for me, but it would not install on Win7 Home Premium, which came with my laptop [but will install on Win7 Professional]. Been using PSP5 for something like 10 years. PSP X5 is not as easy to use, since the company wanted to compete with Photoshop since version 8 or 9, so the learning curve started to increase. We all have our specific needs and ability to deal with the learning curves of the different image/graphics editors. Some are good, some are bad. Some are easy but not many features, but some are feature rich and hard to use. There was a version of GIMP called GIMPshop that was a "hack" to try and make GIMP easier to use. I think it was a Windows only package though. -- Felmon Davis Things will get better despite our efforts to improve them. -- Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
2013/6/9 Ken Springer : > On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >> >> The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their >> LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and >> Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few >> categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, >> multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, >> MyPaint and Pinta. > > > To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. > > Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would > be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. > > Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD > program. > > Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong > if not bogus. > > -- > Ken > > Mac OS X 10.8.4 > Firefox 20.0 > Thunderbird 17.0.5 > LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 Well, you need to read the whole article, of course, to understand how and what they did, and why. My point was only to point out MyPaint as a user friendly alternative, since I think the OP, among other things, asked for that, at least between the lines. Since I didn't try MyPaint myself (well, I did, but it seems like the Ubuntu 12.04 repository version is older than the tested version, if I remember correctly), I just used Linux Format as a reference. They liked the program, even if it ended up at fourth place out of five. ”Less versatile than the others, but it succeeds in its mission beautifully”, they said. Since versatility didn't seem to be critical, I though MyPaint could be worth a try for someone. Only a suggestion, nothing more than that. Johnny Rosenberg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a Ferrari racing cars.LOL The problem is finding an easy one to learn and use that has all the need features you might require. This applies to any piece of software, not just graphics software. But you have to take the time to research other options, work with them enough to see which is the best tool for the job, and then use that tool. I'm doing a personal research project that will result in something printed, just not sure what. To get everything done, Writer and any other word processor I've ever used, just plain sucks. Scrivener, OTOH, is looking super promising. At the moment, the printed output is the current concern. I've just been using it for the last two weeks, not constantly of course, but I am impressed. And no, I'm not doing a movie or stage script.LOL That eye opening situation with Scrivener, now makes me want to try out LyX. http://www.lyx.org/Home Paint Shop Pro 5 was that for me, but it would not install on Win7 Home Premium, which came with my laptop [but will install on Win7 Professional]. Been using PSP5 for something like 10 years. PSP X5 is not as easy to use, since the company wanted to compete with Photoshop since version 8 or 9, so the learning curve started to increase. We all have our specific needs and ability to deal with the learning curves of the different image/graphics editors. Some are good, some are bad. Some are easy but not many features, but some are feature rich and hard to use. There was a version of GIMP called GIMPshop that was a "hack" to try and make GIMP easier to use. I think it was a Windows only package though. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. The problem is finding an easy one to learn and use that has all the need features you might require. Paint Shop Pro 5 was that for me, but it would not install on Win7 Home Premium, which came with my laptop [but will install on Win7 Professional]. Been using PSP5 for something like 10 years. PSP X5 is not as easy to use, since the company wanted to compete with Photoshop since version 8 or 9, so the learning curve started to increase. We all have our specific needs and ability to deal with the learning curves of the different image/graphics editors. Some are good, some are bad. Some are easy but not many features, but some are feature rich and hard to use. There was a version of GIMP called GIMPshop that was a "hack" to try and make GIMP easier to use. I think it was a Windows only package though. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
