[libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Le 07/10/2014 20:46, m. nease a écrit : Hi, I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? 1) If at all, Access files can only be opened from LO on Windows, so if you're not using Windows OS, you will have to find some other way. 2) Subject to point 1, and I'm not entirely certain about this as I haven't looked in bugzilla recently, but if the .accdb files were made with Access 2010, then they can not be opened via LO using the ADO driver, unless you use an ODBC connection instead. See also : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43187 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69832 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70236 Judging by the comment in bug 70236, using Apache OpenOffice might be a better solution. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Hi, On 10/7/2014 20:46, m. nease wrote: Hello, I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? Some time ago I used the Microsoft SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42656) together with SQLExpress from MS to get at the data in a MS Access db. I just needed to get it into calc, but I would think you should be able to access it once the data is in SQLExpress using the ADO adapter, or in worst case you should be able to export it from SQLExpress. Werner -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Le 07/10/2014 20:46, m. nease a écrit : I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? To assist in migration, also check out this Windows-only, GPL tool : http://mdbdoc.sourceforge.net/ Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Le 07/10/2014 20:46, m. nease a écrit : Hmm, my last reply is of no use to you if you haven't even got Access installed, so sorry about that, but it might be useful to others. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets However people have been able to migrate their databases out of Access and into Base. Regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 10:48, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 07/10/2014 20:46, m. nease a écrit : I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? To assist in migration, also check out this Windows-only, GPL tool : http://mdbdoc.sourceforge.net/ Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
There is an extension that should help you. Download it from the LibreOffice Extensions website: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/access2base About a year ago or so, I downloaded an earlier version and was able to access a Access database with it. Dan On 10/08/2014 06:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets However people have been able to migrate their databases out of Access and into Base. Regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 10:48, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 07/10/2014 20:46, m. nease a écrit : I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? To assist in migration, also check out this Windows-only, GPL tool : http://mdbdoc.sourceforge.net/ Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
On 8 October 2014 12:08, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets +1 BTW, This is also why Kexi does not use Windows-only ADO, which (as many believe) would be another variant of the lock-in. mdbtools is used exclusively, under the mask. Ideal solution would be to start and maintain a port of Jackcess to C/C++ to avoid Java, even greater if this was independent project, not a part of LO or Kexi. -- regards, Jaroslaw Staniek KDE: : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org Calligra Suite: : A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org Kexi: : A visual database applications creator tool - http://calligra.org/kexi Qt Certified Specialist: : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Hi :) Do you know if the Access database has a lot of Tables and relationships between the Tables? If it's just a few Tables then it might be relatively easy to export them from Access and into a solid back-end such as MySql/MariaDb or better might be Postgresql. There are tons of other good back-ends out there too. Base is designed to be the middle section. It connects easily to data tables held in a wide range of different scenarios. Then Base does the Queries / Sql logic, calculations and filtering and also does the relationships between tables. It can do Forms and Reports but it also allows such Forms and Reports to be created in Writer and Calc. So, normal users only see familiar interfaces. They don't have to struggle with unfamiliar tools. They don't have to go on a course to learn all about all aspects of creating a database just in order to be able to flick between different records in the database. Annoyingly i think that if you want users to input new data then they do have to use Forms and Reports from within Base itself. Of course Access uses it's own unique version of Sql so you might need to redo some of the Queries/Sql. Also the Forms and Reports might need to be redone. Once you have created such things outside of MS Access then moving between other products is fairly easy. For example if you started by moving the Tables into Base itself and used it's own internal back-end then it's relatively easy to move them to an external back-end some-time in the future, or between different back-ends. I think there are some fairly serious problems with Base's internal back-end so i think most experts would recommend either frequent back-ups or starting off with an external back-end right from the start. There is some documentation at; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook and on the Faq https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq Also it might well be worth poking around on the Apache OpenOffice forums because they have to deal with the same issue too. Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 09:25, Werner werner...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi, On 10/7/2014 20:46, m. nease wrote: Hello, I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? Some time ago I used the Microsoft SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42656) together with SQLExpress from MS to get at the data in a MS Access db. I just needed to get it into calc, but I would think you should be able to access it once the data is in SQLExpress using the ADO adapter, or in worst case you should be able to export it from SQLExpress. Werner -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
On 08/10/14 19:25, Werner wrote: Hi, On 10/7/2014 20:46, m. nease wrote: Hello, I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? Some time ago I used the Microsoft SQL Server Migration Assistant for Access (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42656) together with SQLExpress from MS to get at the data in a MS Access db. I just needed to get it into calc, but I would think you should be able to access it once the data is in SQLExpress using the ADO adapter, or in worst case you should be able to export it from SQLExpress. Werner I have just converted an Access data base to LibreBase. The steps I used are: 1.Install virtualbox with windows xp on the Linux box 2. Install MS Access on the virtual box. 3. Set up the virtualbox machine to share a linux directory on home/username/database where username is your linux user 4. Load the MS database file into this directory. 5. From the virtualbox using Access open the database. 6. Export all of the database tables, one by one in MS Excell format. I could not find a way to export forms or reports. 7. From your linux account start Librebase and create a new data base. 8. Using LibreCalc open each of the Excell files. Ensure the column definitions in he spreadsheet are correct, i.e. make sure date columns are formatted as date. I had some problems with date fiels and solved it by formatting the date columms as -MM-DD. 9. For each spreadsheet select all and copy. 10 Go to your LibreBase and select the Tables creation area. Paste the spreadsheet dataa into the bottom pane. Follow the prompts to create your table. Note if you have any problems import only the table definition first. Ensure it is correct and then import the data to append to the table. 11 Repeat steps 8-10 for each table. If your access data base uses views or queries you will need to extract the SQL code and use it to import into the LibreBase. If you do have access to a MSwidows machine the you can load LibreOffice into it, open the MSdata base and create a new database in LibreOffice format. The data base will contain all tables and data. It will convert access views to tables. It will not convert forms or reports. Either way you will have to recreate views, queries, forms and reports in LIbreBase. Regards Peter Goggin Regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Le 08/10/2014 16:09, Dan Lewis a écrit : Dan, There is an extension that should help you. Download it from the LibreOffice Extensions website: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/access2base This is included by default in official TDF releases of LibreOffice now. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Thanks Tom, I think your post states the case very well. Without a Windows machine I suspect this nut is practically impossible to crack. The potential client may have Access and, if so, be willing to export his tables (as text files or whatever)--if so, I should be able to rebuild his bases in Base. I don't like MS and won't use their products again, but feel I must say I made a good living using Access for years and really appreciated the program--just not the nightmare world of strings attached. I'm really glad to have Base to replace it. Thanks for your time and attention. mike On 10/08/2014 03:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets However people have been able to migrate their databases out of Access and into Base. Regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 10:48, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 07/10/2014 20:46, m. nease a écrit : I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? To assist in migration, also check out this Windows-only, GPL tool : http://mdbdoc.sourceforge.net/ Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- /Not/ sent from my iphone. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Hi Dan, I installed the Access2Base extension and tried it but to no avail. Possibly your Access database was an .mdb rather than an .accdb? Thanks for your time and attention. mike On 10/08/2014 07:09 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: There is an extension that should help you. Download it from the LibreOffice Extensions website: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/access2base About a year ago or so, I downloaded an earlier version and was able to access a Access database with it. Dan On 10/08/2014 06:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets However people have been able to migrate their databases out of Access and into Base. Regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 10:48, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 07/10/2014 20:46, m. nease a écrit : I'd like to do some work on Access databases (.accdb files) but haven't been able to access(!) them using Base (and have no MS OS or MS Office--happily). Is this possible? To assist in migration, also check out this Windows-only, GPL tool : http://mdbdoc.sourceforge.net/ Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- /Not/ sent from my iphone. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Thanks, Jaroslaw, Your ideal solution is a bit over my head at this time, but I do appreciate it and will hang onto it for future reference. Thanks again for your time and attention. mike On 10/08/2014 07:21 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: On 8 October 2014 12:08, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets +1 BTW, This is also why Kexi does not use Windows-only ADO, which (as many believe) would be another variant of the lock-in. mdbtools is used exclusively, under the mask. Ideal solution would be to start and maintain a port of Jackcess to C/C++ to avoid Java, even greater if this was independent project, not a part of LO or Kexi. -- /Not/ sent from my iphone. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Hi :) You can include comments to various different people in a single email. I like the DistroWatch method of saying something to the whole mailing-list in general and then various paragraphs such as @ Tom, Alex, Werner, Peter, Janoslaw, Dan, etc. Thanks! :) @ Dan. ... @ Peter. Not had chance to try that yet but thanks. So far just dodging Windows entirely! @ whoever I think Peter is onto a winner because he's actually done it the most recently out of all of us. I haven't managed it at all yet (except by convincing my boss that we really don't need the crumbling old database at all nowadays anyway and moved to just a VERY simple csv file instead of having any database) I think Jaroslaw wasn't a specific suggestion for this particular case but more an idea for the whole of LibreOffice to consider for the future. Really would be better to mention it on the Discuss mailing list except that it's probably difficult to talk about Base there. Bringing it up here means he does actually reach people interested in and knowledgeable about Base. We often go off-track on this list and that often helps the person deal with other stuff or work-out a better work-around. Regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 19:29, m. nease mlne...@hctc.com wrote: Thanks, Jaroslaw, Your ideal solution is a bit over my head at this time, but I do appreciate it and will hang onto it for future reference. Thanks again for your time and attention. mike On 10/08/2014 07:21 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: On 8 October 2014 12:08, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets +1 BTW, This is also why Kexi does not use Windows-only ADO, which (as many believe) would be another variant of the lock-in. mdbtools is used exclusively, under the mask. Ideal solution would be to start and maintain a port of Jackcess to C/C++ to avoid Java, even greater if this was independent project, not a part of LO or Kexi. -- *Not* sent from my iphone. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Thanks Tom (and everyone), I'll keep that in mind for future replies. Meanwhile, I think I've had enough advice for now and should perhaps mark the thread 'solved' (can someone advise me how to do that)? To sum up, I'm convinced at this point that working a MS database from Base just isn't practical and that the data need to be exported from the Access db on a Windows machine with Access installed. I had a brilliant suggestion off-line: try the library? Of course. My local library does have MS Office and I should be able to do anything I want with the thing there, including exporting the data for entry at home into a Base db. Duh! (Thanks, Brian!) Thanks again to everyone for your time and attention. mike On 10/08/2014 12:31 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) You can include comments to various different people in a single email. I like the DistroWatch method of saying something to the whole mailing-list in general and then various paragraphs such as @ Tom, Alex, Werner, Peter, Janoslaw, Dan, etc. Thanks! :) @ Dan. ... @ Peter. Not had chance to try that yet but thanks. So far just dodging Windows entirely! @ whoever I think Peter is onto a winner because he's actually done it the most recently out of all of us. I haven't managed it at all yet (except by convincing my boss that we really don't need the crumbling old database at all nowadays anyway and moved to just a VERY simple csv file instead of having any database) I think Jaroslaw wasn't a specific suggestion for this particular case but more an idea for the whole of LibreOffice to consider for the future. Really would be better to mention it on the Discuss mailing list except that it's probably difficult to talk about Base there. Bringing it up here means he does actually reach people interested in and knowledgeable about Base. We often go off-track on this list and that often helps the person deal with other stuff or work-out a better work-around. Regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 19:29, m. nease mlne...@hctc.com wrote: Thanks, Jaroslaw, Your ideal solution is a bit over my head at this time, but I do appreciate it and will hang onto it for future reference. Thanks again for your time and attention. mike On 10/08/2014 07:21 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: On 8 October 2014 12:08, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets +1 BTW, This is also why Kexi does not use Windows-only ADO, which (as many believe) would be another variant of the lock-in. mdbtools is used exclusively, under the mask. Ideal solution would be to start and maintain a port of Jackcess to C/C++ to avoid Java, even greater if this was independent project, not a part of LO or Kexi. -- *Not* sent from my iphone. -- /Not/ sent from my iphone. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
Hi :) We don't have a formal way of marking a thread as solved. Mostly people don't even try. Sometimes people do as i just did (copied from linuxquestions.org i think or maybe Wolvix forums back in the day) or elsewhere in the subject-line. Thanks for the thanks, but i think it was the everyone else that really earned it. :) I just did a typical rant and then bitsbobs about work-flow Anyway, congrats and regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 20:50, m. nease mlne...@hctc.com wrote: Thanks Tom (and everyone), I'll keep that in mind for future replies. Meanwhile, I think I've had enough advice for now and should perhaps mark the thread 'solved' (can someone advise me how to do that)? To sum up, I'm convinced at this point that working a MS database from Base just isn't practical and that the data need to be exported from the Access db on a Windows machine with Access installed. I had a brilliant suggestion off-line: try the library? Of course. My local library does have MS Office and I should be able to do anything I want with the thing there, including exporting the data for entry at home into a Base db. Duh! (Thanks, Brian!) Thanks again to everyone for your time and attention. mike On 10/08/2014 12:31 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) You can include comments to various different people in a single email. I like the DistroWatch method of saying something to the whole mailing-list in general and then various paragraphs such as @ Tom, Alex, Werner, Peter, Janoslaw, Dan, etc. Thanks! :) @ Dan. ... @ Peter. Not had chance to try that yet but thanks. So far just dodging Windows entirely! @ whoever I think Peter is onto a winner because he's actually done it the most recently out of all of us. I haven't managed it at all yet (except by convincing my boss that we really don't need the crumbling old database at all nowadays anyway and moved to just a VERY simple csv file instead of having any database) I think Jaroslaw wasn't a specific suggestion for this particular case but more an idea for the whole of LibreOffice to consider for the future. Really would be better to mention it on the Discuss mailing list except that it's probably difficult to talk about Base there. Bringing it up here means he does actually reach people interested in and knowledgeable about Base. We often go off-track on this list and that often helps the person deal with other stuff or work-out a better work-around. Regards from Tom :) On 8 October 2014 19:29, m. nease mlne...@hctc.com mlne...@hctc.com wrote: Thanks, Jaroslaw, Your ideal solution is a bit over my head at this time, but I do appreciate it and will hang onto it for future reference. Thanks again for your time and attention. mike On 10/08/2014 07:21 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: On 8 October 2014 12:08, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com tomc...@gmail.com tomc...@gmail.com tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think Alex and Werner are giving good answers but you'll need to find some way of temporarily borrowing a Windows machine in order to help. Access is part of the whole vendor lock-in thing that MS seems to do so well. They don't seem to want to make it easy for people to use other products to read their stuff as that seems to ensure that people 'have to' keep buying into their products. Once people DO start using non-MS alternatives they tend to find it easy to move between a variety of different programs and tools quite easily. They also tend to never go back to MS tools because MS tools just aren't as safe and reliable and don't perform so well either. So, MS seems to have to create as many blockers as possible to avoid people just quickly trying out alternatives. They can't seem to compete on quality or in fair markets +1 BTW, This is also why Kexi does not use Windows-only ADO, which (as many believe) would be another variant of the lock-in. mdbtools is used exclusively, under the mask. Ideal solution would be to start and maintain a port of Jackcess to C/C++ to avoid Java, even greater if this was independent project, not a part of LO or Kexi. -- *Not* sent from my iphone. -- *Not* sent from my iphone. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open .accdb in--or convert to--.odb in LibreOffice Base?
For those who come later, and are less informed. Urmas is a well-known troll / MS shill. Most of his comments should be ignored. But in particular: On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:24:28 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies: However people have been able to migrate their databases out of Access and into Base. You cannot 'migrate their databases' into Base, as Access databases store data and Base ones do not. They are not equivalent. Base can use a lot of different databases as backend, but even the built-in database that Base uses does store data. That's the entire concept behind a database. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
