Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
For the record: On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 04:51:54 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: > "Paul": > > > False > > *What* is false? Pretty much everything you said (or ever say, for that matter). > There are two 250MB packages of LibreOffice > differing in extension only. That's ridiculous. Given your history I have good reason to doubt this is even true, but it may well be, for one reason or another. As I don't know which distro or repo you are talking about, and what the purpose of this is, I won't comment further. > Which distro updates software in repositories? Most of the ones I know. Ubuntu does, Arch does, I'm sure RedHat, SUSE, Gentoo, Debian and any other popular distro you care to name does as well. If you were talking only about updating LO, then you should have made that clear. And on that specific point I cannot comment without further research. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
"Paul": False *What* is false? There are two 250MB packages of LibreOffice differing in extension only. That's ridiculous. Which distro updates software in repositories? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
Most definitely, but I felt it should be stated "for the record". On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:56:23 +0200 M Henri Day wrote: > 2013/10/7 Paul > > > False > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:46:13 +0700 > > "Urmas" wrote: > > > > > From: Jay Lozier > > > > > > The advantage of the repository is when a new version is > > > released, it will automatically be updated and only one version > > > is on the machine. > > > > > > The version in repository is fixed for the distribution release > > > and never updated. There is no any advantage in this. The absurd > > > requirement to download different kind of packages containing > > > exactly the same files bring all the advantages down to nil. > > > > Paul, given what our friend «Urmas» > has previously posted to this forum - and to the AOO forum as well > - I'd suggest that truth values are not his/her primary concern > > Henri > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
2013/10/7 Paul > False > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:46:13 +0700 > "Urmas" wrote: > > > From: Jay Lozier > > > > The advantage of the repository is when a new version is released, it > > will automatically be updated and only one version is on the machine. > > > > The version in repository is fixed for the distribution release and > > never updated. There is no any advantage in this. The absurd > > requirement to download different kind of packages containing exactly > > the same files bring all the advantages down to nil. > Paul, given what our friend «Urmas» has previously posted to this forum - and to the AOO forum as well - I'd suggest that truth values are not his/her primary concern Henri -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
False On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:46:13 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: > From: Jay Lozier > > The advantage of the repository is when a new version is released, it > will automatically be updated and only one version is on the machine. > > The version in repository is fixed for the distribution release and > never updated. There is no any advantage in this. The absurd > requirement to download different kind of packages containing exactly > the same files bring all the advantages down to nil. > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
Dnia 2013-10-07, o godz. 22:50:29 "Urmas" napisał(a): > There is only > one appstore for all clients and it always have the recent version of > the software. And there is only one official repository for each Linux distributions*. If you treat all Linux distributions as one "operating system", then you are mistaken. There is nothing in repository concept that would prevent inclusion of the most recent version of software, even on the day of release. If repository do not contain newest version of software, it's always due to politics or lack of manpower. And if you are unhappy with internal politics of your distribution, perhaps you should try another one? Also it should be noted that in Android and iOS world, repository is often the only viable way to distribute your software among your users. Therefore, software vendors approach repository administration to include their software and the day software package hit repository is considered official "release date". In Linux world, software vendors release their software by other means, such as personal webpages, source repositories and third-party sites. They often don't care about inclusion of software in repositories and most certainly do not coordinate releases with administrators of repositories. * Repositories are often split into branches, so it might appear that there are few of them; but as long as you can switch between branches with relative ease, I think we can talk about single repository. Yes, repositories in Windows/Mac/Android/iOS differ considerably to repositories in Linux. But these differences are always political, institutional, social or psychological, never technical. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
"MirosławZalewski": Perhaps these are reasons why most modern operating systems (Mac OS X, iOS, Windows 8, Android) have "stores" built-in, which essentially **are** repositories. They are as different from Linux repositories as it can get. There is only one appstore for all clients and it always have the recent version of the software. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
"Robert Holtzman": The fact that you use the generic term "linux" instead of citing which distro In 2001 I used Mandrake Odyssey 7. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
From: Jay Lozier The advantage of the repository is when a new version is released, it will automatically be updated and only one version is on the machine. The version in repository is fixed for the distribution release and never updated. There is no any advantage in this. The absurd requirement to download different kind of packages containing exactly the same files bring all the advantages down to nil. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:04:52PM +0700, Urmas wrote: > "James Knott": > > Have you actually used Linux and > installed apps on it? > > I've been using Linux since 2001, and that is exactly as the matter stands. Assuming for the moment that you're not a slimy lying Microsoft trolling fanboy, and assuming for the moment that you actually have been using Linux since 2001, the question arises, if your that dissatisfied with Linux, why are you still using it? The fact that you use the generic term "linux" instead of citing which distro plus your citation of incorrect facts makes me doubt that you have ever used the software. In short, you're one of the most inept trolls I've run across lately. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
-Original Message- From: Urmas To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 20:37:49 +0700 "Tom Davies": By default most versions of Gnu&Linux (lets just call them distros) have a set of "repos" (=repositories) which are a bit like vast warehouses of programs and other software. ...Because Linux is inherently broken and cannot run vanilla builds of software. Also repositories keep prehistoric versions of apps only, backporting only the security issues fixes, which have to be manually picked from the developer's VCS and manually patched in. So to fix a bug in Foo 0.8.1 you need to upgrade your entire OS to get Foo 0.10.3 instead of simply installing 0.8.2 or 0.11.1. Umas, I have installed vanilla versions of LO on Ubuntu and derivatives and openSUSE without any issues. The advantage of the repository is when a new version is released, it will automatically be updated and only one version is on the machine. Currently I have several office suites installed on openSUSE 12.3 and they coexist very nicely including two versions of LO - one from the repository and one direct install. You can install "unofficial" repositories that have newer/current versions of various packages. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
2013/10/6 Urmas > "Tom Davies": > > By default most versions of Gnu&Linux (lets just call them distros) have a > set of "repos" (=repositories) which are a bit like vast warehouses of > programs and other software. > > ...Because Linux is inherently broken and cannot run vanilla builds of > software. Also repositories keep prehistoric versions of apps only, > backporting only the security issues fixes, which have to be manually > picked from the developer's VCS and manually patched in. So to fix a bug in > Foo 0.8.1 you need to upgrade your entire OS to get Foo 0.10.3 instead of > simply installing 0.8.2 or 0.11.1. Well, «Umas», as a long-time GNU/Linux user, I wish to point out that your comment to the effect that «to fix a bug in Foo 0.8.1 you need to upgrade your entire OS to get Foo 0.10.3 instead of simply installing 0.8.2 or 0.11.1» is utterly false ; new updates of the various applications I use are offered to me more or less daily, and in many cases, I can automate the process by subscribing to so-called PPAs. Of course, the above assumes that «Foo 0.10.3» is intended as a stand in for a generic GNU/Linux application ; it, rather, it is intended to refer to a specific application which you produced all by yourself, then, indeed, your description may very well be true Henri -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
Please ignore the troll, he's not even a very good one. "Urmas" consistantly posts information about LO and linux that puts it in a very bad light, but mostly is very obviously wrong, and occasionally not so obviously wrong. On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 22:04:52 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: > "James Knott": > > Have you actually used Linux and > installed apps on it? > > I've been using Linux since 2001, and that is exactly as the matter > stands. > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
Mirosław Zalewski wrote: > If you can't distinguish between concept and implementation, please > don't say anything at all. It's quite clear he doesn't know what he's talking about or is a troll. He's doing the same thing on the OpenOffice list. It's amazing how these guys come out of the woodwork whenever MS is running into a bit of difficulty. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
"James Knott": Have you actually used Linux and installed apps on it? I've been using Linux since 2001, and that is exactly as the matter stands. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
Urmas wrote: > ...Because Linux is inherently broken and cannot run vanilla builds of > software. Also repositories keep prehistoric versions of apps only, > backporting only the security issues fixes, which have to be manually > picked from the developer's VCS and manually patched in. So to fix a > bug in Foo 0.8.1 you need to upgrade your entire OS to get Foo 0.10.3 > instead of simply installing 0.8.2 or 0.11.1. Well, it's clear you're clueless. Have you actually used Linux and installed apps on it? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
Dnia 2013-10-06, o godz. 20:37:49 "Urmas" napisał(a): > ...Because Linux is inherently broken and cannot run vanilla builds > of software. Also repositories keep prehistoric versions of apps > only, backporting only the security issues fixes, which have to be > manually picked from the developer's VCS and manually patched in. Perhaps these are reasons why most modern operating systems (Mac OS X, iOS, Windows 8, Android) have "stores" built-in, which essentially **are** repositories. If you can't distinguish between concept and implementation, please don't say anything at all. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)
"Tom Davies": By default most versions of Gnu&Linux (lets just call them distros) have a set of "repos" (=repositories) which are a bit like vast warehouses of programs and other software. ...Because Linux is inherently broken and cannot run vanilla builds of software. Also repositories keep prehistoric versions of apps only, backporting only the security issues fixes, which have to be manually picked from the developer's VCS and manually patched in. So to fix a bug in Foo 0.8.1 you need to upgrade your entire OS to get Foo 0.10.3 instead of simply installing 0.8.2 or 0.11.1. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
