Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Robert Funnell]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, Piet van Oostrum wrote:


Alexander Thurgood wrote:

> Le 17/08/2016 à 18:35, Tom Morton a écrit :
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> > This is impossible tho. If I deleted these sections I would have had to have
> > deleted them separately as they were not together. And also if I had of
> > deleted them, the footnotes would have disappeared also? I would have had to
> > have highlighted each paragraph and deleted them and made sure I didn't
> > delete the citation... I remember perfectly saving my paper, exiting Libre
> > Office Writer and then going to bed. There's just no way.
> >
>
> I'm not saying that there wasn't a problem with LibreOffice, who knows
> it could well have been a "Heisenbug"-type scenario that only occurs in
> some specific, seemingly random circumstances - e.g. saving to network
> drive where the connection fails, saving to USB key, power surge/outage,
> etc.

As I wrote in a previous message, I saved one of my documents as MS 2003 XML, 
and it was severely broken. A large part was missing, so this doesn't seem an 
intermittent bug, but something structural.


I just saved a document as MS 2003 XML and when I reopened it it was 
quite creatively messed up: broken headers and footers, bad fonts, 
weird vertical strips of text, ... .


I did a search for '2003 xml' at bugs.documentfoundation.org and found 
a number of old related bugs. The ones that I looked at had not had 
any attention for years except for annual checks that they still 
happen. It doesn't seem that it's a high priority. I hadn't even 
realized that there was such an export format.


- Robert

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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Piet van Oostrum]

Alexander Thurgood wrote:

 > Le 17/08/2016 à 18:35, Tom Morton a écrit :
 > 
 > Hi Tom,
 > 
 > > This is impossible tho. If I deleted these sections I would have had to 
 > > have
 > > deleted them separately as they were not together. And also if I had of
 > > deleted them, the footnotes would have disappeared also? I would have had 
 > > to
 > > have highlighted each paragraph and deleted them and made sure I didn't
 > > delete the citation... I remember perfectly saving my paper, exiting Libre
 > > Office Writer and then going to bed. There's just no way. 
 > > 
 > 
 > I'm not saying that there wasn't a problem with LibreOffice, who knows
 > it could well have been a "Heisenbug"-type scenario that only occurs in
 > some specific, seemingly random circumstances - e.g. saving to network
 > drive where the connection fails, saving to USB key, power surge/outage,
 > etc.

As I wrote in a previous message, I saved one of my documents as MS 2003 XML, 
and it was severely broken. A large part was missing, so this doesn't seem an 
intermittent bug, but something structural.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 17/08/2016 à 18:35, Tom Morton a écrit :

Hi Tom,

> This is impossible tho. If I deleted these sections I would have had to have
> deleted them separately as they were not together. And also if I had of
> deleted them, the footnotes would have disappeared also? I would have had to
> have highlighted each paragraph and deleted them and made sure I didn't
> delete the citation... I remember perfectly saving my paper, exiting Libre
> Office Writer and then going to bed. There's just no way. 
> 

I'm not saying that there wasn't a problem with LibreOffice, who knows
it could well have been a "Heisenbug"-type scenario that only occurs in
some specific, seemingly random circumstances - e.g. saving to network
drive where the connection fails, saving to USB key, power surge/outage,
etc.


> I also don't appear to have any backups and I wrote that in one day so I
> don't have another format saved. 
> 

That is unfortunate indeed. The file that you posted doesn't contain the
missing information, it is full of xml verbiage.


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Tom Morton]

This is impossible tho. If I deleted these sections I would have had to have
deleted them separately as they were not together. And also if I had of
deleted them, the footnotes would have disappeared also? I would have had to
have highlighted each paragraph and deleted them and made sure I didn't
delete the citation... I remember perfectly saving my paper, exiting Libre
Office Writer and then going to bed. There's just no way. 

I also don't appear to have any backups and I wrote that in one day so I
don't have another format saved. 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Piet van Oostrum]

I tried to save one of my own documents as MS 2003 XML, and it also contains 
only a part of my original document. Apparently the MS 2003 XML output filter 
is severely broken, and it should be repaired, or at least be disabled as long 
as it in this state. There probably isn't a good enough unit test for it in the 
build process.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Piet van Oostrum]

Alexander Thurgood wrote:

 > Le 17/08/2016 à 14:52, Tom Morton a écrit :
 > 
 > Hi Tom,
 > 
 > I opened the XML file in Word 15.24 for Mac OSX
 > It only contains 2 pages (492 words).
 > 
 > I opened your ODT file in LO530 alpha (my own master build)
 > It too only contains 2 pages. (483 words)
 > 
 > Both documents are substantially identical.
 > 
 > Alex

That was MY ODT file, which apparently reached the original folder :)
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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 17/08/2016 à 14:52, Tom Morton a écrit :

If I open the XML file in a text editor, I see the same content. I can
only assume that at some stage you must have erroneously deleted some
content from your original ODT file, albeit inadvertently, as the two
files are the same.

Sorry to not be able to help any further.

Alex





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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 17/08/2016 à 14:52, Tom Morton a écrit :

Hi Tom,

I opened the XML file in Word 15.24 for Mac OSX
It only contains 2 pages (492 words).

I opened your ODT file in LO530 alpha (my own master build)
It too only contains 2 pages. (483 words)

Both documents are substantially identical.

Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: XML document

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 17/08/2016 à 14:52, Tom Morton a écrit :

Hi Tom,

I am assuming that if you have been working on this for a while, then
you have a previous version somewhere in ODT format ? Would that not be
an option ? Saving in another format doesn't overwrite the previous file.

Alex




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