Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bouncing messages from users@global.libreoffice.org

2020-04-06 Thread Brian Barker 

At 13:47 06/04/2020 +0900, Howard Barr wrote:

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020, 09:01 ,  wrote:
Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the 
 mailing list.


Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this 
message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for 
your information.


Here is the list of the bounced messages:
- 55854
- 55855


This happens a lot and always from the same users. I have added 
these users to my contact info but that hasn't helped. I guess it's 
my side as others are obviously getting them. What else can I try?


You wrote to me privately about this (from a different address) 
nearly two years ago. It's all down, I think to DMARC; see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC . This is a well-intentioned 
scheme to allow mail providers to reject incoming messages if they 
originate from a mail server which is not a registered server for the 
domain in the From: header. Such messages will generally be spoofed 
and thus spam, so this is a Good Thing. But a problem arises if 
mailing list processors (quite sensibly) preserve the original From: 
address on distributed messages - as does the LibreOffice Users list 
processor. The distributed message claims to be from the original 
sender (which it is, of course), but is sent via the LibreOffice mail 
server, which gives it the appearance of being a spoof message. You 
will fail to receive such messages if both (1) the originating mail 
domain publishes a list of approved servers and requires receiving 
systems to reject messages from elsewhere, and (2) your mail provider 
chooses to play ball and obey this requirement.


It must be that your mail provider satisfies condition (2), and the 
messages you will fail to receive are those whose mail domains 
satisfy condition (1). (Mine does this, so I'm having to send you a 
private copy of this message: you will presumably not receive the 
copy distributed via the list. I do not receive copies of my own 
contributions. The bounced messages above may well have been from me. 
Some others will )


There are solutions to this problem, the simplest of which is for the 
list processor to append something such as ".INVALID" to the From: 
address in relevant messages, so that they are no longer recognised 
as coming from a DMARC-conformant domain. Many mailing list providers 
do this. I wrote to  about this as 
long ago as 1 May 2018, but my suggestion for action was rejected, on 
the ground that "none of the workarounds [are] satisfactory for 
everyone". Thus the problem continues.


The present arrangement is unsupportable. You or others could start a 
campaign to have it put right.


Brian Barker  



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Bouncing messages from users@global.libreoffice.org

2020-04-05 Thread Howard Barr 
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020, 09:01 ,  wrote:

> Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the 
> mailing list.
>
> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> information.
>
> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> - 55854
> - 55855
>

Hello,

This happens a lot and always from the same users. I have added these users
to my contact info but that hasn't helped.
I guess it's my side as others are obviously getting them.
What else can I try?

Howard

>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re : Bouncing messages from users@global.libreoffice.org

2019-12-31 Thread Brian Barker 

At 11:42 31/12/2019 +0100, M Henri Day wrote:

Den tis 31 dec. 2019 kl 05:00 skrev :
Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the 
 mailing list.


Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this 
message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for 
your information.


Here is the list of the bounced messages:
- 55635


From time to time I receive messages of the type above, but never 
any information about what I am expected - or allowed - to do with 
the <> which accompanies them. Can anyone 
on the forum enlighten me ?


At 12:54 31/12/2019 +0200, Hylton Conacher wrote:
I also had the same message and note that it was for the same 
message number that was "missed". As I am sure we are not using the 
same ISP in South Africa, so who knows maybe the mailing list admins 
picked it up as spam. ANYONE know?


I think I do.

The list help text says "Anyone can retrieve message number N from 
the list's archive by sending a message to 
 (change the N to the number
of the desired message)". But if I'm right, any repeat copy would 
also fail to be delivered to you.


It's all down, I think, to DMARC; see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC . This is a well-intentioned 
scheme to allow mail providers to reject incoming messages if they 
originate from a mail server which is not a registered server for the 
domain in the From: header. Such messages will generally be spoofed 
and thus spam, so this is a Good Thing. But a problem arises if 
mailing list processors (quite sensibly) preserve the original From: 
address on forwarded messages - as does the LibreOffice Users list 
processor. The forwarded message claims to be from the original 
sender (which it is, of course), but is injected into the LibreOffice 
mail server, which gives it the appearance of being a spoof message. 
You will fail to receive such messages if both (1) the originating 
mail domain publishes a list of approved servers and requires 
receiving systems to reject messages from elsewhere, and (2) your 
mail provider chooses to play ball and obey this requirement.


My mail domain (which is Yahoo in disguise) satisfies condition (1), 
so you will fail to receive my messages to the list if your mail 
provider satisfies condition (2). I do not receive copies of my own 
contributions. Message 55635 is, I think, my contribution to the 
thread "full date string to date"; you can see this at
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/full-date-string-to-date-td4271380.html 
. If I'm right, you will not receive copies of this message via the 
list, which is why I'm copying it to you both directly.


There are solutions to this problem, the simplest of which is for the 
list processor to append something such as ".INVALID" to the From: 
address in relevant messages, so that they are no longer recognised 
as coming from a DMARC-conformant domain. Many mailing list providers 
do this. I wrote to  about this as 
long ago as 1 May 2018, but my suggestion for action was rejected, on 
the ground that "none of the workarounds [are] satisfactory for 
everyone". Thus the problem continues ...


Brian Barker  



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[libreoffice-users] Re : Bouncing messages from users@global.libreoffice.org

2019-12-31 Thread M Henri Day 
Den tis 31 dec. 2019 kl 05:00 skrev :

> Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the 
> mailing list.
>
> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> information.
>
> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> - 55635


From time to time I receive messages of the type above, but never any
information about what I am expected - or allowed - to do with the «list of
bounced messages» which accompanies them. Can anyone on the forum enlighten
me ?...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bouncing messages from users@global.libreoffice.org

2016-12-26 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
It's an automatic message.  I get these every so often too  but
usually several weeks apart from each other.  I can't remember ever
getting 2 in a row.  I just delete those messages without bothering to
read them nowadays along with a bunch of other things i delete
"en-masse" by ticking all the ones i know are just automated messages
from other places too and then click on delete just the once (or so).

I think they are an fyi to let you know why you didn't get any
messages from the mailing list for some time.  I think the messages
that you didn't get are resent automatically and 'should' appear in
their proper place in your emails chronologically so if you are
watching your emails all the time then you might need to scroll back
down to see the ones that have been slipped past you.  On the other
hand if you only check your emails once in a while then you probably
wont find any  were ever missing.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 20/12/2016, Luuk  wrote:
> But, as i asked, why do i get a message that 50942 has bounced TWICE?
>
> How do i find the bounced message? I don't see a messagenumber here:
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
>
> But, if 'The problem cleared up and you got this message from it. '...
> Why can this process inform me about the fact that the problem has gone,
> but 
> If the problem has gone, automated stuped thing, than please
> automagically resend the message you where trying to send.
> and not some bullshit message that you where not able to , but now are
> able to  :-):-(:-[:-[:-[
>
> Luuk
>
> On 20-12-16 21:31, Girvin Herr wrote:
>> Luuk,
>>
>> These are automated messages that indicate the LibreOffice mail-list
>> server could not deliver some messages to you at your registered email
>> address.  The problem cleared up and you got this message from it.  It
>> is letting you know which message(s) did not get delivered to you
>> (50942).  You could use that number to look up the message and
>> retrieve it, if you like.
>>
>> That said, as far as I know, there is nothing fatal about these messages.
>>
>> HTH.
>> Girvin Herr
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/2016 12:17 PM, Luuk wrote:
>>> Why twice the same message?
>>>
>>> Why this message at all?
>>>
>>> What am i missing?
>>>
>>> On 19-12-16 17:00, users+ow...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:
 Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the
 
 mailing list.

 Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
 message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
 information.

 Here is the list of the bounced messages:
 - 50942
 - 50942


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bouncing messages from users@global.libreoffice.org

2016-12-20 Thread Luuk 

But, as i asked, why do i get a message that 50942 has bounced TWICE?

How do i find the bounced message? I don't see a messagenumber here:  
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/


But, if 'The problem cleared up and you got this message from it. '...
Why can this process inform me about the fact that the problem has gone,
but 
If the problem has gone, automated stuped thing, than please 
automagically resend the message you where trying to send.
and not some bullshit message that you where not able to , but now are 
able to  :-):-(:-[:-[:-[


Luuk

On 20-12-16 21:31, Girvin Herr wrote:

Luuk,

These are automated messages that indicate the LibreOffice mail-list 
server could not deliver some messages to you at your registered email 
address.  The problem cleared up and you got this message from it.  It 
is letting you know which message(s) did not get delivered to you 
(50942).  You could use that number to look up the message and 
retrieve it, if you like.


That said, as far as I know, there is nothing fatal about these messages.

HTH.
Girvin Herr



On 12/19/2016 12:17 PM, Luuk wrote:

Why twice the same message?

Why this message at all?

What am i missing?

On 19-12-16 17:00, users+ow...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:
Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the 


mailing list.

Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
information.

Here is the list of the bounced messages:
- 50942
- 50942











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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bouncing messages from users@global.libreoffice.org

2016-12-20 Thread Girvin Herr 

Luuk,

These are automated messages that indicate the LibreOffice mail-list 
server could not deliver some messages to you at your registered email 
address.  The problem cleared up and you got this message from it.  It 
is letting you know which message(s) did not get delivered to you 
(50942).  You could use that number to look up the message and retrieve 
it, if you like.


That said, as far as I know, there is nothing fatal about these messages.

HTH.
Girvin Herr



On 12/19/2016 12:17 PM, Luuk wrote:

Why twice the same message?

Why this message at all?

What am i missing?

On 19-12-16 17:00, users+ow...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:
Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the 


mailing list.

Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
information.

Here is the list of the bounced messages:
- 50942
- 50942








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[libreoffice-users] Re: Bouncing messages from users@global.libreoffice.org

2016-12-19 Thread Luuk 

Why twice the same message?

Why this message at all?

What am i missing?

On 19-12-16 17:00, users+ow...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:

Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the 
mailing list.

Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
information.

Here is the list of the bounced messages:
- 50942
- 50942





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