Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[Harvey Nimmo]

On Mon, 2017-09-25 at 12:57 +, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> On 09/24/2017 11:07 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I struggled with the method you referenced below, soliciting 
> > assistance from this list.  The responders also could not get LO
> > to 
> > print a stack of envelopes.  We finally agreed that the LO way is
> > to 
> > print each envelope with each document.
> 
> John,
> 
> That's quite an eclectic collection of vintage software. I can't 
> remember the last time I found someone still using DOS, an operating 
> system I still miss. In one sense, I envy you. I'm an old PC-Write
> for 
> DOS fan myself, and I loved all all those uber-productive WordStar 
> ctrl-key combinations, which PC-Write emulated.
> 
> All that aside, I never saw your original question to this list, but
> if 
> I had, I might have responded with a solution similar to Brian's. I
> have 
> been using LO to print envelopes for years and it's the simplest
> thing 
> ever. It appears from what you wrote to Brian that all you want is
> to 
> print your return address on a batch of envelopes of different sizes
> so 
> that your office staff can then grab one of the pre-printed
> envelopes 
> and put the addressee on the envelope.
> 
> Here's how I did it with LO and #10 business sized envelopes.
> 
> 1. I first found out how my printer feeds envelopes. Its paper
> feeder 
> loads envelopes in the center of the feeder with the envelope turned
> in 
> a landscape orientation with the top of the envelope facing left. I
> have 
> had printers that fed envelopes on one side or the other of the
> paper 
> feeder, with some facing left and some facing left, and some with
> face 
> up printing and others with face-down printing.
> 
> 2. Once I figured out how my printer feeds envelopes, I then created
> a 
> blank LO document and set the orientation to landscape. Then, with
> trial 
> and error, I figured out what margins I needed to set to get the text
> to 
> appear at the location of a return address on an envelope. At first,
> I 
> tried to change the paper size in LO to match the size of the
> envelopes, 
> but then I realized I didn't need to do that. I just used my default
> 8.5 
> x 11 paper size and adjusted my page margins so that the address 
> appeared where it would print on the envelope.
> 
> Yes, my method took a little time (about 15 minutes) and I wasted an 
> envelope or two (until I realized I could just print my test
> "envelopes" 
> on regular letter sized paper, and then hold it up to an envelope to
> see 
> if the margins would be right).
> 
> Once I got it set up, I saved the document as an LO template with my 
> return address in place. As Brian suggested, I can now print out 100 
> return address envelopes by simply selecting 100 copies. Of course,
> my 
> printer's paper feeder will object to 100 envelopes being fed in one 
> batch, but that's a printer issue, not an LO issue.
> 
> Now, I realize my method may be considered somewhat of a hack, but
> it 
> works just fine. I like Brian's depiction of an envelope simply
> being 
> another form of paper stock and LO being a tool to place characters
> on 
> paper. It's just a matter of figuring out how the paper gets fed into
> a 
> printer and then adjusting page margins to make sure the words appear
> on 
> the paper where you want them.
> 
> I also realize that, by now, you have found another solution using a 
> different application, but others may still be wondering how it can
> be 
> done with LO.
> 
> Virgil

ahh...nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

Cheers
Harvey

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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[John R. Sowden]

Thank you for your response. I use the same method of trial and error to 
get things where I want them on paper also.  Your response is similar to 
climbing a mountain.  If no one seems to have done it, half way up, one 
might think that it cannot be done, but once it has been done, then my 
being able to do it is a slam dunk.  I will follow your instructions 
carefully, and I am sure I will meet with success.


Your comment about the list's readers is why I mentioned glabels.

Thabnks again,

john


On 09/25/2017 05:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 09/24/2017 11:07 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:

I struggled with the method you referenced below, soliciting
assistance from this list.  The responders also could not get LO to
print a stack of envelopes.  We finally agreed that the LO way is to
print each envelope with each document.

John,

That's quite an eclectic collection of vintage software. I can't
remember the last time I found someone still using DOS, an operating
system I still miss. In one sense, I envy you. I'm an old PC-Write for
DOS fan myself, and I loved all all those uber-productive WordStar
ctrl-key combinations, which PC-Write emulated.

All that aside, I never saw your original question to this list, but if
I had, I might have responded with a solution similar to Brian's. I have
been using LO to print envelopes for years and it's the simplest thing
ever. It appears from what you wrote to Brian that all you want is to
print your return address on a batch of envelopes of different sizes so
that your office staff can then grab one of the pre-printed envelopes
and put the addressee on the envelope.

Here's how I did it with LO and #10 business sized envelopes.

1. I first found out how my printer feeds envelopes. Its paper feeder
loads envelopes in the center of the feeder with the envelope turned in
a landscape orientation with the top of the envelope facing left. I have
had printers that fed envelopes on one side or the other of the paper
feeder, with some facing left and some facing left, and some with face
up printing and others with face-down printing.

2. Once I figured out how my printer feeds envelopes, I then created a
blank LO document and set the orientation to landscape. Then, with trial
and error, I figured out what margins I needed to set to get the text to
appear at the location of a return address on an envelope. At first, I
tried to change the paper size in LO to match the size of the envelopes,
but then I realized I didn't need to do that. I just used my default 8.5
x 11 paper size and adjusted my page margins so that the address
appeared where it would print on the envelope.

Yes, my method took a little time (about 15 minutes) and I wasted an
envelope or two (until I realized I could just print my test "envelopes"
on regular letter sized paper, and then hold it up to an envelope to see
if the margins would be right).

Once I got it set up, I saved the document as an LO template with my
return address in place. As Brian suggested, I can now print out 100
return address envelopes by simply selecting 100 copies. Of course, my
printer's paper feeder will object to 100 envelopes being fed in one
batch, but that's a printer issue, not an LO issue.

Now, I realize my method may be considered somewhat of a hack, but it
works just fine. I like Brian's depiction of an envelope simply being
another form of paper stock and LO being a tool to place characters on
paper. It's just a matter of figuring out how the paper gets fed into a
printer and then adjusting page margins to make sure the words appear on
the paper where you want them.

I also realize that, by now, you have found another solution using a
different application, but others may still be wondering how it can be
done with LO.

Virgil





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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[Virgil Arrington]

On 09/24/2017 11:07 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
>
> I struggled with the method you referenced below, soliciting 
> assistance from this list.  The responders also could not get LO to 
> print a stack of envelopes.  We finally agreed that the LO way is to 
> print each envelope with each document.

John,

That's quite an eclectic collection of vintage software. I can't 
remember the last time I found someone still using DOS, an operating 
system I still miss. In one sense, I envy you. I'm an old PC-Write for 
DOS fan myself, and I loved all all those uber-productive WordStar 
ctrl-key combinations, which PC-Write emulated.

All that aside, I never saw your original question to this list, but if 
I had, I might have responded with a solution similar to Brian's. I have 
been using LO to print envelopes for years and it's the simplest thing 
ever. It appears from what you wrote to Brian that all you want is to 
print your return address on a batch of envelopes of different sizes so 
that your office staff can then grab one of the pre-printed envelopes 
and put the addressee on the envelope.

Here's how I did it with LO and #10 business sized envelopes.

1. I first found out how my printer feeds envelopes. Its paper feeder 
loads envelopes in the center of the feeder with the envelope turned in 
a landscape orientation with the top of the envelope facing left. I have 
had printers that fed envelopes on one side or the other of the paper 
feeder, with some facing left and some facing left, and some with face 
up printing and others with face-down printing.

2. Once I figured out how my printer feeds envelopes, I then created a 
blank LO document and set the orientation to landscape. Then, with trial 
and error, I figured out what margins I needed to set to get the text to 
appear at the location of a return address on an envelope. At first, I 
tried to change the paper size in LO to match the size of the envelopes, 
but then I realized I didn't need to do that. I just used my default 8.5 
x 11 paper size and adjusted my page margins so that the address 
appeared where it would print on the envelope.

Yes, my method took a little time (about 15 minutes) and I wasted an 
envelope or two (until I realized I could just print my test "envelopes" 
on regular letter sized paper, and then hold it up to an envelope to see 
if the margins would be right).

Once I got it set up, I saved the document as an LO template with my 
return address in place. As Brian suggested, I can now print out 100 
return address envelopes by simply selecting 100 copies. Of course, my 
printer's paper feeder will object to 100 envelopes being fed in one 
batch, but that's a printer issue, not an LO issue.

Now, I realize my method may be considered somewhat of a hack, but it 
works just fine. I like Brian's depiction of an envelope simply being 
another form of paper stock and LO being a tool to place characters on 
paper. It's just a matter of figuring out how the paper gets fed into a 
printer and then adjusting page margins to make sure the words appear on 
the paper where you want them.

I also realize that, by now, you have found another solution using a 
different application, but others may still be wondering how it can be 
done with LO.

Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[John R. Sowden]

Good Evening,

Please see my response.

John


On 09/24/2017 03:56 PM, Joe Conner wrote:

+1

Good job Brian!



On 09/24/2017 03:42 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 05:17 23/09/2017 -0700, John R. Sowden wrote:
A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes. All I got was 
explaining how LO does it.


Hold on: you asked on a list concerned with LibreOffice about 
printing envelopes and you got a reply about how LibreOffice prints 
envelopes? I have to say that I'm not surprised! Surely you shouldn't 
expect anything else?


It's worth saying that "printing envelopes" is not really a concept 
any more than "printing letters to my maiden aunt" or "printing 
notices for the youth club notice board". An envelope is just a 
particular variety of paper stock, and you can print on it just as 
you can print on any other stock. Set your document size and 
orientation to that of your envelopes and proceed as usual. The only 
stumbling block may be discovering in which orientation your printer 
expects envelopes to be loaded (which varies between printers) and 
how you then ensure that you document is constructed appropriately to 
match.



Finally someone said LO only prints one envelope for one document, ...


LibreOffice has the facility easily to add to a letter (or other 
postal document) a single envelope in which to post it. Most letters 
go in a single envelope. If you don't want that, don't use it. I 
suspect your respondents were trying to be helpful. And what is this 
"one document"? You said you wanted to printed envelopes - nothing 
about documents.



... not 100 envelopes with a custom return address.


Is that what you asked for?

That's easy: construct a document that is the face of your envelope 
with the custom return address and nothing else. Experiment to 
confirm orientations as above. Load your envelopes. Print the 
document, setting "Number of copies" to 100. Job done.


Or do you perhaps mean something else? Do you want to print a hundred 
envelopes with the same return address but with a hundred different 
addresses on them - presumably sourced from a database of addresses? 
If so, you have not mentioned most of that! Most word processors have 
the facility to do this, and LibreOffice is no exception. The process 
is called "mail merge" and is covered in Chapter 11 of the Writer 
Guide "Using Mail Merge - Form Letters, Mailing Labels, and 
Envelopes" - specifically in the section "Printing envelopes". It's 
not trivial, but I think it is fairly easy to follow.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker








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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[John R. Sowden]

Well hi there!

So much to discuss.  Re printing envelopes in quantity, which was the 
the question that I wrote about, I was, and still am creating about 8 
different custom envelopes of different sizes use a word processor 
invented in the 1980 era for the CP/M operating system called Wordstar.  
Granted I am currently using version 5.5 under a newer version of the 
DOS operating system. I print these in advance so my office staff can 
just grab an envelope, put the addressee on the envelope using a TSR and 
toss in into outgoing mail, of course, after adding it to the mail log 
database using a FoxPro 2.6 under DOS custom program I wrote.


I struggled with the method you referenced below, soliciting assistance 
from this list.  The responders also could not get LO to print a stack 
of envelopes.  We finally agreed that the LO way is to print each 
envelope with each document.  We did not discuss that about 25% of the 
documents that we create are reports created using the Foxpro 2.6 for 
DOS language/database referenced above.


Finally, we do not use "mail merge", under Word Star or LO, as we create 
custom documents, not mass mailings.


Hope that clears this up,

John Sowden
American Sentry Systems, Inc.


On 09/24/2017 03:42 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 05:17 23/09/2017 -0700, John R. Sowden wrote:
A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes. All I got was 
explaining how LO does it.


Hold on: you asked on a list concerned with LibreOffice about printing 
envelopes and you got a reply about how LibreOffice prints envelopes? 
I have to say that I'm not surprised! Surely you shouldn't expect 
anything else?


It's worth saying that "printing envelopes" is not really a concept 
any more than "printing letters to my maiden aunt" or "printing 
notices for the youth club notice board". An envelope is just a 
particular variety of paper stock, and you can print on it just as you 
can print on any other stock. Set your document size and orientation 
to that of your envelopes and proceed as usual. The only stumbling 
block may be discovering in which orientation your printer expects 
envelopes to be loaded (which varies between printers) and how you 
then ensure that you document is constructed appropriately to match.



Finally someone said LO only prints one envelope for one document, ...


LibreOffice has the facility easily to add to a letter (or other 
postal document) a single envelope in which to post it. Most letters 
go in a single envelope. If you don't want that, don't use it. I 
suspect your respondents were trying to be helpful. And what is this 
"one document"? You said you wanted to printed envelopes - nothing 
about documents.



... not 100 envelopes with a custom return address.


Is that what you asked for?

That's easy: construct a document that is the face of your envelope 
with the custom return address and nothing else. Experiment to confirm 
orientations as above. Load your envelopes. Print the document, 
setting "Number of copies" to 100. Job done.


Or do you perhaps mean something else? Do you want to print a hundred 
envelopes with the same return address but with a hundred different 
addresses on them - presumably sourced from a database of addresses? 
If so, you have not mentioned most of that! Most word processors have 
the facility to do this, and LibreOffice is no exception. The process 
is called "mail merge" and is covered in Chapter 11 of the Writer 
Guide "Using Mail Merge - Form Letters, Mailing Labels, and Envelopes" 
- specifically in the section "Printing envelopes". It's not trivial, 
but I think it is fairly easy to follow.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker






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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[Joe Conner]

+1

Good job Brian!



On 09/24/2017 03:42 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 05:17 23/09/2017 -0700, John R. Sowden wrote:
A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes. All I got was 
explaining how LO does it.


Hold on: you asked on a list concerned with LibreOffice about printing 
envelopes and you got a reply about how LibreOffice prints envelopes? 
I have to say that I'm not surprised! Surely you shouldn't expect 
anything else?


It's worth saying that "printing envelopes" is not really a concept 
any more than "printing letters to my maiden aunt" or "printing 
notices for the youth club notice board". An envelope is just a 
particular variety of paper stock, and you can print on it just as you 
can print on any other stock. Set your document size and orientation 
to that of your envelopes and proceed as usual. The only stumbling 
block may be discovering in which orientation your printer expects 
envelopes to be loaded (which varies between printers) and how you 
then ensure that you document is constructed appropriately to match.



Finally someone said LO only prints one envelope for one document, ...


LibreOffice has the facility easily to add to a letter (or other 
postal document) a single envelope in which to post it. Most letters 
go in a single envelope. If you don't want that, don't use it. I 
suspect your respondents were trying to be helpful. And what is this 
"one document"? You said you wanted to printed envelopes - nothing 
about documents.



... not 100 envelopes with a custom return address.


Is that what you asked for?

That's easy: construct a document that is the face of your envelope 
with the custom return address and nothing else. Experiment to confirm 
orientations as above. Load your envelopes. Print the document, 
setting "Number of copies" to 100. Job done.


Or do you perhaps mean something else? Do you want to print a hundred 
envelopes with the same return address but with a hundred different 
addresses on them - presumably sourced from a database of addresses? 
If so, you have not mentioned most of that! Most word processors have 
the facility to do this, and LibreOffice is no exception. The process 
is called "mail merge" and is covered in Chapter 11 of the Writer 
Guide "Using Mail Merge - Form Letters, Mailing Labels, and Envelopes" 
- specifically in the section "Printing envelopes". It's not trivial, 
but I think it is fairly easy to follow.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker




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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[Brian Barker]

At 05:17 23/09/2017 -0700, John R. Sowden wrote:
A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes. All I got was 
explaining how LO does it.


Hold on: you asked on a list concerned with LibreOffice about 
printing envelopes and you got a reply about how LibreOffice prints 
envelopes? I have to say that I'm not surprised! Surely you shouldn't 
expect anything else?


It's worth saying that "printing envelopes" is not really a concept 
any more than "printing letters to my maiden aunt" or "printing 
notices for the youth club notice board". An envelope is just a 
particular variety of paper stock, and you can print on it just as 
you can print on any other stock. Set your document size and 
orientation to that of your envelopes and proceed as usual. The only 
stumbling block may be discovering in which orientation your printer 
expects envelopes to be loaded (which varies between printers) and 
how you then ensure that you document is constructed appropriately to match.



Finally someone said LO only prints one envelope for one document, ...


LibreOffice has the facility easily to add to a letter (or other 
postal document) a single envelope in which to post it. Most letters 
go in a single envelope. If you don't want that, don't use it. I 
suspect your respondents were trying to be helpful. And what is this 
"one document"? You said you wanted to printed envelopes - nothing 
about documents.



... not 100 envelopes with a custom return address.


Is that what you asked for?

That's easy: construct a document that is the face of your envelope 
with the custom return address and nothing else. Experiment to 
confirm orientations as above. Load your envelopes. Print the 
document, setting "Number of copies" to 100. Job done.


Or do you perhaps mean something else? Do you want to print a hundred 
envelopes with the same return address but with a hundred different 
addresses on them - presumably sourced from a database of addresses? 
If so, you have not mentioned most of that! Most word processors have 
the facility to do this, and LibreOffice is no exception. The process 
is called "mail merge" and is covered in Chapter 11 of the Writer 
Guide "Using Mail Merge - Form Letters, Mailing Labels, and 
Envelopes" - specifically in the section "Printing envelopes". It's 
not trivial, but I think it is fairly easy to follow.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes & other labels

[Dave Howorth]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 09:02:49 +1300
Steve Edmonds  wrote:

> On 24/09/17 06:21, Dave Howorth wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 05:17:01 -0700
> > "John R. Sowden"  wrote:
> >  
> >> A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes.  All I got was
> >> explaining how LO does it.  Finally someone said LO only prints one
> >> envelope for one document, not 100 envelopes with a custom return
> >> address.
> >>
> >> well, i found the solution, in a program that I have been running
> >> for about 2 years with great success, glabels.  instead of a
> >> label, there is an option for a #10 envelope.  glabels works
> >> great.  I have been using it to print large mailing labels on 9x12
> >> document envelopes.
> >>
> >> hope this helps someone else,
> >>
> >> john  
> > I just looked at installing it, but it wants to install 13
> > dependencies including two to get weather information (?!), two for
> > geocoding (?!) and nine for the Evolution Data Server, whatever
> > that is. I can't see why any of those should be necessary to print
> > labels, so I won't be installing it. Thanks for suggesting it
> > though, it may help others. 
> Evolution is Gnome's default PIM data storage center.
> May be the geocoding is related to determination of a factor from the
> addresses (postcode?) and weather affects how many licks to seal the
> envelope. steve

:)

FWIW, I just downloaded the glabels 3.4.0 source package and compiled
it. Evolution Data Server is optional and I didn't choose to install
it. Without that I saw no sign of the build requiring geocoding or
weather, but then I didn't include any barcode support either so maybe
that or something else was relevant. The only thing I had to do extra
was sudo ldconfig /usr/local/lib

In short, my complaint is apparently to do with my distro's packaging
rather than the software itself.

It has a long list of Avery labels, BTW ...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[Steve Edmonds]

On 24/09/17 06:21, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 05:17:01 -0700
"John R. Sowden"  wrote:


A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes.  All I got was
explaining how LO does it.  Finally someone said LO only prints one
envelope for one document, not 100 envelopes with a custom return
address.

well, i found the solution, in a program that I have been running for
about 2 years with great success, glabels.  instead of a label, there
is an option for a #10 envelope.  glabels works great.  I have been
using it to print large mailing labels on 9x12 document envelopes.

hope this helps someone else,

john

I just looked at installing it, but it wants to install 13 dependencies
including two to get weather information (?!), two for geocoding (?!)
and nine for the Evolution Data Server, whatever that is. I can't see
why any of those should be necessary to print labels, so I won't be
installing it. Thanks for suggesting it though, it may help others.


Evolution is Gnome's default PIM data storage center.
May be the geocoding is related to determination of a factor from the 
addresses (postcode?) and weather affects how many licks to seal the 
envelope.

steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[Dave Howorth]

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 05:17:01 -0700
"John R. Sowden"  wrote:

> A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes.  All I got was
> explaining how LO does it.  Finally someone said LO only prints one
> envelope for one document, not 100 envelopes with a custom return
> address.
> 
> well, i found the solution, in a program that I have been running for
> about 2 years with great success, glabels.  instead of a label, there
> is an option for a #10 envelope.  glabels works great.  I have been
> using it to print large mailing labels on 9x12 document envelopes.
> 
> hope this helps someone else,
> 
> john

I just looked at installing it, but it wants to install 13 dependencies
including two to get weather information (?!), two for geocoding (?!)
and nine for the Evolution Data Server, whatever that is. I can't see
why any of those should be necessary to print labels, so I won't be
installing it. Thanks for suggesting it though, it may help others.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[jorge Rodríguez]

Thank John for your feedback, it would be useful for me in the future,

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez


El 23/09/2017 a las 06:17, John R. Sowden escribió:
A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes.  All I got was 
explaining how LO does it.  Finally someone said LO only prints one 
envelope for one document, not 100 envelopes with a custom return 
address.


well, i found the solution, in a program that I have been running for 
about 2 years with great success, glabels.  instead of a label, there 
is an option for a #10 envelope.  glabels works great.  I have been 
using it to print large mailing labels on 9x12 document envelopes.


hope this helps someone else,

john





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Re: [libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

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hello.
i am glad that hear your issue is resolved.
God bless you!

On 9/23/17, John R. Sowden  wrote:
> A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes.  All I got was
> explaining how LO does it.  Finally someone said LO only prints one
> envelope for one document, not 100 envelopes with a custom return address.
>
> well, i found the solution, in a program that I have been running for
> about 2 years with great success, glabels.  instead of a label, there is
> an option for a #10 envelope.  glabels works great.  I have been using
> it to print large mailing labels on 9x12 document envelopes.
>
> hope this helps someone else,
>
> john
>
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[libreoffice-users] printing envelopes

[John R. Sowden]

A few months ago, I asked about printing envelopes.  All I got was 
explaining how LO does it.  Finally someone said LO only prints one 
envelope for one document, not 100 envelopes with a custom return address.


well, i found the solution, in a program that I have been running for 
about 2 years with great success, glabels.  instead of a label, there is 
an option for a #10 envelope.  glabels works great.  I have been using 
it to print large mailing labels on 9x12 document envelopes.


hope this helps someone else,

john


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing Envelopes [RESOLVED]

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Rich Shepard wrote:


 Running LO-3.5.5.3 on Slackware-13.1. The envelope template was built for
a COM10 size envelope in 2003 using whatever version of OO.o was then
current. Worked fine then; hasn't since OO.o was supplanted by LO. Time to
fix this problem.


  I have a solution that works for me: a short (32 lines) PostScript
program. I edit the code for each address, then print it using lpr. Simple.
Efficient. Works.

Thanks, all!

Rich



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing Envelopes [RESOLVED]

[Thomas Taylor]

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:59:48 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Rich Shepard wrote:
 
   Running LO-3.5.5.3 on Slackware-13.1. The envelope template was
  built for a COM10 size envelope in 2003 using whatever version of
  OO.o was then current. Worked fine then; hasn't since OO.o was
  supplanted by LO. Time to fix this problem.
 
I have a solution that works for me: a short (32 lines) PostScript
 program. I edit the code for each address, then print it using lpr.
 Simple. Efficient. Works.
 
 Thanks, all!
 
 Rich
 
 
 

Hi Rich,
Would you please post that short PS program so other might be able to
use it?  That would be especially useful for newbies.  

Thanks, Tom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing Envelopes

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I use Ubuntu 12.04 and a HP Laserjet 2300dn

I have add three different drivers to test out for that printer.
Did the same for an Epson inkjet.

I have [my text name for description] the following drivers.  I do not 
remember which HP/Linux defaults to for this printer.


 HP Laserjet 2300 Foomatic Postscript
 HP Laserjet 2300 hpijs PL3
 HP Laserjet 2300 CUPS Gutenprint lsb3.2-v5.27

Each of these show different options in the printing dialogs.
Also each seems to have a different quality of printing of the sample 
test page with text and graphics.


I chose the CUPS Gutenprint, since it seems the best print quality and 
the better print options for this duplexing printer.


As for the Envelope, does your printer have an envelope tray?  Or do you 
use the manual tray that centers the paper from letter to postcard 
widths?  I have one HP printer that does not center the envelopes, and 
it uses an envelope feeder tray that is left justified to the printer 
face of the page.  My Epson also uses a left justified, but the Canon 
uses the centered.


I do think that the pstoraster is the issue though.  You need to find 
a better driver, either a newer one from HP or try the CUPS Gutenprint 
driver.  I have no idea what that pstoraster filter/driver could be.


Slackware is RPM, correct?  Also is 13.1 the newest?  Did the envelope 
printing work in 12.x or 11.x?


Every time Ubuntu's update manager system downloads and installs a new 
hplip, CUPS,  or other printer file/driver upgrade, I seem to need to 
delete and reinstall my printers.  They never seem to fully work 
properly after an automatic upgrade download/install. Sometimes I loose 
the connection to those network printers and it acts like they do not 
exist.


SO, long winded statement . . .
Please try downloading the newest hplip/driver installer script from the 
HP/Linux page.


http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html

http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_5

Full List of HP printers
http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP/




   NOTE:  Before I buy a new or re-manufactured printer, I first look
   for Ubuntu/Debian drivers and how much the ink/toner will cost me. 
   The non-OEM toner for this laser printer costs about $35 shipped

   when the HP's original one is over $120.  Had to look far and wide
   for the Canon inkjet printer.  Canon USA does not support or have
   Linux drivers, but Canon UK does.  The Epson inkjet has a driver in
   the OpenPrinting.org list[s]. The Canon ink costs $180+ for 2 full
   sets, while a good non-OEM 2 full sets cost about $35 with shipping
   included.  The Canon uses - Black, Big Black, Gray, Yellow, Magenta,
   Cyan.  The Epson uses - Black, Yellow, Magenta, Light Magenta, Cyan,
   Light Cyan.  So you see it is impo0rtant to find out how much it
   will cost a person to get the ink/toner.






On 01/24/2013 10:21 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:

Rich,
I am using CUPS with my HP Laserjet 8150DN and I have no trouble 
printing #10 envelopes in LO.  So, it is possible.
pstoraster is a printer driver that converts Postscript to rastor, 
the printer page.  That implies that you are not using the Laserjet's 
Postscript emulation (missing option?), which would not need the 
pstoraster conversion.  CUPS has several driver options to select 
from, such as Foomatic, Gutenprint, or in  my printer's case, a CUPS 
driver (HP Laserjet 8150 Series Postscript (en)). You may try adding 
the same printer as a different name using different drivers to 
experiment with.  I see on my Slackware 12.2 Linux CUPS that there are 
only Gutenprint or Foomatic drivers for the LJ5.  However, HP has 
produced more then one model 5 over the years, so I am not sure which 
one you have.  Here is a place I go for Linux printer information:


http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting
   http://www.openprinting.org/printers

When I select the HP Laserjet 5, the result says it works 
perfectly.  It also says you should be using the hplip (HP Linux 
Imaging and Printing) driver.

Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr



Rich Shepard wrote:
  Running LO-3.5.5.3 on Slackware-13.1. The envelope template was 
built for

a COM10 size envelope in 2003 using whatever version of OO.o was then
current. Worked fine then; hasn't since OO.o was supplanted by LO. 
Time to

fix this problem.

  The page size is set for a COM10 US business envelope. When I try 
printing
it (paper size is commercial 10 and paper orientation is landscape 
mode),
the HP LaserJet 5 sits with nothing to print. When I check the CUPS 
jobs tab

I see this error message: /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster failed.

  If I print to a disk file I can print the resulting .pdf to a 
letter size

page, but not to an envelope.

  Any thoughts on this?

Rich







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing Envelopes

[Girvin R. Herr]

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


I use Ubuntu 12.04 and a HP Laserjet 2300dn

I have add three different drivers to test out for that printer.
Did the same for an Epson inkjet.

I have [my text name for description] the following drivers.  I do not 
remember which HP/Linux defaults to for this printer.


 HP Laserjet 2300 Foomatic Postscript
 HP Laserjet 2300 hpijs PL3
 HP Laserjet 2300 CUPS Gutenprint lsb3.2-v5.27

Each of these show different options in the printing dialogs.
Also each seems to have a different quality of printing of the sample 
test page with text and graphics.


I chose the CUPS Gutenprint, since it seems the best print quality and 
the better print options for this duplexing printer.


As for the Envelope, does your printer have an envelope tray?  Or do 
you use the manual tray that centers the paper from letter to postcard 
widths?  I have one HP printer that does not center the envelopes, and 
it uses an envelope feeder tray that is left justified to the printer 
face of the page.  My Epson also uses a left justified, but the Canon 
uses the centered.


I do think that the pstoraster is the issue though.  You need to 
find a better driver, either a newer one from HP or try the CUPS 
Gutenprint driver.  I have no idea what that pstoraster 
filter/driver could be.
pstoraster or Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-PS 
printers , is a Postscript to raster, or page bitmap, filter.  It is 
sometimes used on printers that do not respond to Postscript or a 
similar compositing language such as HP's own printer language, which I 
cannot remember what its acronym is now.


Slackware is RPM, correct?  Also is 13.1 the newest?  Did the envelope 
printing work in 12.x or 11.x?
No, Slackware is zipped tarball (TGZ).  Slackware comes with a filter 
called rpm2cpio which can be used to extract an RPM file.  I use it to 
extract the LibreOffice binary RPM packages and then re-package them 
into a TGZ for installation on my Slack 12.2 system.  Slack 13.0 up 
changed from TGZ to TXZ which uses a different zipper algorithm.  
Slack 14.0 is the newest as of the last time I checked.  But I have not 
installed it because it's version ends in 0.
Every time Ubuntu's update manager system downloads and installs a new 
hplip, CUPS,  or other printer file/driver upgrade, I seem to need 
to delete and reinstall my printers.  They never seem to fully work 
properly after an automatic upgrade download/install. Sometimes I 
loose the connection to those network printers and it acts like they 
do not exist.
That makes some sense.  CUPS probably needs to be updated as to what the 
new files are and updating CUPS would be self-explanatory.  Updating 
requires printer re-installation.  The newer CUPSs goes out and find 
printers, which worked well for me.  However, it only installs one 
printer at a time, so the find function must be repeated until all the 
printers are found.  At least that is how CUPS 1.3.11 works.

SO, long winded statement . . .
Please try downloading the newest hplip/driver installer script from 
the HP/Linux page.


http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html

http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_5

Full List of HP printers
http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP/

That's what I suggested.  I might add that sometimes searching (i.e. 
googling) for an error message brings some meaningful hints or places to 
look for the problem.




   NOTE:  Before I buy a new or re-manufactured printer, I first look
   for Ubuntu/Debian drivers and how much the ink/toner will cost me. 
   The non-OEM toner for this laser printer costs about $35 shipped

   when the HP's original one is over $120.  Had to look far and wide
   for the Canon inkjet printer.  Canon USA does not support or have
   Linux drivers, but Canon UK does.  The Epson inkjet has a driver in
   the OpenPrinting.org list[s]. The Canon ink costs $180+ for 2 full
   sets, while a good non-OEM 2 full sets cost about $35 with shipping
   included.  The Canon uses - Black, Big Black, Gray, Yellow, Magenta,
   Cyan.  The Epson uses - Black, Yellow, Magenta, Light Magenta, Cyan,
   Light Cyan.  So you see it is impo0rtant to find out how much it
   will cost a person to get the ink/toner.


Stick with Postscript and you can't go wrong.  It simplifies printing 
interfaces immensely.

Hope this helps.
Yours in enlightenment.
Girvin Herr






On 01/24/2013 10:21 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:

Rich,
I am using CUPS with my HP Laserjet 8150DN and I have no trouble 
printing #10 envelopes in LO.  So, it is possible.
pstoraster is a printer driver that converts Postscript to rastor, 
the printer page.  That implies that you are not using the Laserjet's 
Postscript emulation (missing option?), which would not need the 
pstoraster conversion.  CUPS has several driver options to select 
from, such as Foomatic, Gutenprint, or in  my printer's case, a CUPS 
driver (HP Laserjet 8150 Series Postscript (en)). You 

[libreoffice-users] Printing Envelopes

[Rich Shepard]

  Running LO-3.5.5.3 on Slackware-13.1. The envelope template was built for
a COM10 size envelope in 2003 using whatever version of OO.o was then
current. Worked fine then; hasn't since OO.o was supplanted by LO. Time to
fix this problem.

  The page size is set for a COM10 US business envelope. When I try printing
it (paper size is commercial 10 and paper orientation is landscape mode),
the HP LaserJet 5 sits with nothing to print. When I check the CUPS jobs tab
I see this error message: /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster failed.

  If I print to a disk file I can print the resulting .pdf to a letter size
page, but not to an envelope.

  Any thoughts on this?

Rich


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing Envelopes

[anne-ology]

   I really wish I knew ... my laser printer has been sitting on this
desktop unusable for more than a year  ;-(



On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.comwrote:

  Running LO-3.5.5.3 on Slackware-13.1. The envelope template was built for
 a COM10 size envelope in 2003 using whatever version of OO.o was then
 current. Worked fine then; hasn't since OO.o was supplanted by LO. Time to
 fix this problem.

   The page size is set for a COM10 US business envelope. When I try
 printing
 it (paper size is commercial 10 and paper orientation is landscape mode),
 the HP LaserJet 5 sits with nothing to print. When I check the CUPS jobs
 tab
 I see this error message: /usr/lib/cups/filter/**pstoraster failed.

   If I print to a disk file I can print the resulting .pdf to a letter size
 page, but not to an envelope.

   Any thoughts on this?

 Rich



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing Envelopes

[Girvin R. Herr]

Rich,
I am using CUPS with my HP Laserjet 8150DN and I have no trouble 
printing #10 envelopes in LO.  So, it is possible.
pstoraster is a printer driver that converts Postscript to rastor, the 
printer page.  That implies that you are not using the Laserjet's 
Postscript emulation (missing option?), which would not need the 
pstoraster conversion.  CUPS has several driver options to select from, 
such as Foomatic, Gutenprint, or in  my printer's case, a CUPS driver 
(HP Laserjet 8150 Series Postscript (en)).  You may try adding the 
same printer as a different name using different drivers to experiment 
with.  I see on my Slackware 12.2 Linux CUPS that there are only 
Gutenprint or Foomatic drivers for the LJ5.  However, HP has produced 
more then one model 5 over the years, so I am not sure which one you 
have.  Here is a place I go for Linux printer information:


   http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting
   http://www.openprinting.org/printers

When I select the HP Laserjet 5, the result says it works perfectly.  
It also says you should be using the hplip (HP Linux Imaging and 
Printing) driver.

Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr



Rich Shepard wrote:
  Running LO-3.5.5.3 on Slackware-13.1. The envelope template was 
built for

a COM10 size envelope in 2003 using whatever version of OO.o was then
current. Worked fine then; hasn't since OO.o was supplanted by LO. 
Time to

fix this problem.

  The page size is set for a COM10 US business envelope. When I try 
printing

it (paper size is commercial 10 and paper orientation is landscape mode),
the HP LaserJet 5 sits with nothing to print. When I check the CUPS 
jobs tab

I see this error message: /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster failed.

  If I print to a disk file I can print the resulting .pdf to a letter 
size

page, but not to an envelope.

  Any thoughts on this?

Rich




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